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Few things:
I never voted for ICanFlyLow. Ever. Check the voting thread, read through my votes. RoL you're cheating >=(
@Axis of Evil post- Actually, the entire post that I made boils down to "IF YOU ALL FOLLOW ONE PERSON WITHOUT ANALYSIS OF YOUR OWN WE GET NO INFORMATION THROUGHOUT THE GAME". But of course Ser Aspi you wouldn't really agree with that because you're just sheeping along with foolishness anyways. As for LD and JBright, my supposed "scumbuddies", I'm not going to waste my time defending them.
@KP Issue- I think it's likely that there's 2 godfathers and 3 goons left. That's 3.5KP, which should be enough to do everything. Or our vigi is someone who's under heavy pressure and doesn't think anyone will believe their claim, or a noob who was convinced by mafia not to claim (but he should still claim anyways hinthint). I suppose its also possible that LSB/jackal is lying, but until someone comes up with a plausible explanation why they would do that, I won't believe it.
As for lynch targets for today, I'd really like seeing a lynch on any of us axis of evil guys or gryffindor. Would really give us a good idea of where everyone stands, especially if they flip scum. I can assure you lynching me would only serve to get us a bit closer to LYLO, and also maybe let me make some memorable last words that you might actually listen to, so how about the other 3 guys? 
@Jackal- You can't actually expect us to go along without telling us why you want kevconism lynched. Convince me. I don't think you'd lie about the RB, so I'm going to take any analysis you give me as town advice.
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According to my brief pm's with kevinconsim he says he is being quite active in PM, can anyone verify this? This leads me to believe that jackal believes that kevinconsim is mafia due to the pms that he has received from him. Care to post them so we can analyze them together?
Anyway, here is a quick analysis of Seraph as to why I am voting for him.
On February 23 2011 12:53 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 12:50 OriginalName wrote:On February 23 2011 12:47 annul wrote:
okay hi peeps
vote chaoser. that post reeks of redness.
p.s. still no role PM! I think it's quite town but needs to have communication between cells also how exactly does it reek red? Chaoser didn't say anything new. He's repeating what GMarshal said, a typical "contribute without actually contributing" scumtell. But this early in the game I'm willing to excuse it, since new players and bad players won't have much to talk about anyways. At least Chaoser read BC's Town guide.
On February 23 2011 13:00 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 12:59 chaoser wrote:On February 23 2011 12:55 annul wrote:
it reeks of red because he is like "hey so theres weak powers in this game lol" which can only be known if he is a red, since if he was green he cant make that blanket claim and if he was a blue, he'd even be less inclined to make that claim
the only way he can do that is if he is red and he sees the red team has weak or no powers the powers are listed out in the OP aren't they? I don't think framing is that powerful if they can pick like all GF or something (don't see limit on GF). That just means we can't trust our DTs this game =/ 6 GFs would be completely imba (thought RoL did say behavioral analysis is key...) How's this: Let's concentrate on analysis and let blues do their jobs.
Early on Seraph is basically doing nothing but excusing people for (admitted minor) scummy behavior and doing set up analysis which, while not explicitly scummy, is definitely something a scum would do as it gives them something to post about without making anybody angry. And, given how little Seraph has posted thus far, he is having trouble thinking of things to post about. Also note that he says to concentrate on scumhunting, which is ironic considering that he hasn't done any himself.
On February 24 2011 17:07 seRapH wrote:
icemac that was possibly the easiest way to dodge taking sides. The dude's probably going to get replaced or modkilled anyways.
Seriously, take a stance on someone. Most of my game since my 6666th post has been going on through PMs, but I guess that was selfish of me >_>
##Vote Icemac
Things to take sides on:
GM vs Gryff- Cell System
Annul vs LSB- XXXV
Personally I doubt either of annul or LSB are scum, this is just a grudgematch. Coag and Kenpachi are playing more pro-town than usual (or maybe its just less spam?)
People I'm suspicious of:
Jackal- Playing a lot more passively than he did as town
Icemac- Stop dodging the issues at hand
Gofarman- Proponent of lynching inactives. Voting annul.
A few more I'm not too sure of, will follow up on their posts tomorrow when I'm awake. Maybe.
This is his first actual post where he says where he says what he thinks of people. Note that this is early on in the day. Seraph puts down a vote for the major non-annul lynch target at the time (icemac) and uses as his reason that icemac isn't being decisive enough. Of course, Seraph then goes on to basically completely remove himself from the annul vs. LSB issue by saying he thinks both are town which is the safe answer. He then proceeds to disappear for the rest of the day.
Ser Aspi already pointed out why Seraph's big Day 2 post said basically nothing.
And then there's this one:
On March 02 2011 13:00 seRapH wrote:Few things: I never voted for ICanFlyLow. Ever. Check the voting thread, read through my votes. RoL you're cheating >=(@Axis of Evil post- Actually, the entire post that I made boils down to "IF YOU ALL FOLLOW ONE PERSON WITHOUT ANALYSIS OF YOUR OWN WE GET NO INFORMATION THROUGHOUT THE GAME". But of course Ser Aspi you wouldn't really agree with that because you're just sheeping along with foolishness anyways. As for LD and JBright, my supposed "scumbuddies", I'm not going to waste my time defending them. @KP Issue- I think it's likely that there's 2 godfathers and 3 goons left. That's 3.5KP, which should be enough to do everything. Or our vigi is someone who's under heavy pressure and doesn't think anyone will believe their claim, or a noob who was convinced by mafia not to claim (but he should still claim anyways hinthint). I suppose its also possible that LSB/jackal is lying, but until someone comes up with a plausible explanation why they would do that, I won't believe it. As for lynch targets for today, I'd really like seeing a lynch on any of us axis of evil guys or gryffindor. Would really give us a good idea of where everyone stands, especially if they flip scum. I can assure you lynching me would only serve to get us a bit closer to LYLO, and also maybe let me make some memorable last words that you might actually listen to, so how about the other 3 guys? @Jackal- You can't actually expect us to go along without telling us why you want kevconism lynched. Convince me. I don't think you'd lie about the RB, so I'm going to take any analysis you give me as town advice.
You said absolutely nothing in this post about anything of substance. Who do YOU think are mafia? You talk about the town sheeping and then you are like "I'm going to suggest we lynch one of the 3 people someone else pointed out but not me haha" and then lightly question jackal. Seriously what the hell you can do better than this if you are town.
Oh yeah, and for completeness you also mention that KP speculation which everyone loves to talk about and you spend 1/4 of your post talking about it with no actual progress made. In other words, it is a nice filler to make your post seem longer.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Seraph
As already mentioned, he has a very low post count. However we must take into effect that he said he would be mia for a portion of the game, which he apparently was. What's more interesting his that he posted a bunch pre game then his activity died off as the game went on. It looks like he made more posts day 1 than he did day 2, and more day 2 than he has today.
What could cause the declining post count as the game goes on? Keep in mind he was really active pre game. Either he's mafia or a bored townie (of course there's a little leeway because he said he would be gone for a day or two). Bored townie is reasonable: he was active pre game and at the beginning, but then got bored because he didn't have a role or because there was nothing cool happening in the thread. Mafia is reasonable: he tried to be active in the beginning, but as we all know mafia never want to post if they don't have to.
Given this information, I do not believe it very reasonable that he is a bored townie. This is one the very few games where we got a mafia lynched day 1; that's hella exciting in itself. The amount of spam in this game is considerably less overall than most games (especially yesterday and today), and we've only had 2 real modkills.
I looked through his posts in Pokemafia and mafia xxxv and found a striking difference (both these games he was town). His overall post count is not that high (compared to spammers like Coagulation and Gryffindor) but he has a lots of one or two liners. Even when he was lynched in mafia xxxv he made one liners right up to his death. This game his posts are moderately big walls of text, with a few one liners.
Here's one of his few big posts from mafia xxxv
On December 31 2010 07:33 seRapH wrote:SoulfireShow nested quote +On December 27 2010 13:45 Soulfire wrote:
I had meant to contribute earlier, but I was watching some streamed games of my team's CW.
I'm a new player, so for the most part I've just been reading what everybody has said thus far and trying to come up with any reasonable conclusion, which not surprisingly has been futile. I've gone over previous games and observed common posting habits for many of the more veteran players in this game and I honestly don't notice anything alarming enough to begin to point fingers safely. I'd definitely have to agree with Pandain, Wiggles and others; focus attention on the inactives, but struggle to differentiate between those who just don't care and are probably going to be modkilled and people who are trying to lay low, specially people making pointless posts to avoid the modkill.
But I will speak for other players who are new like I am, it is difficult to post something that contributes in Day 1 - so yet another thing to differentiate: new players who are lost and can only agree with others, and mafia trying to slip under the radar and avoid modkill. Few points here: He’s new, he doesn’t want to out himself, and hands lurkers the excuse of not caring. First point isn’t incriminating, but the other two are pretty notable. Show nested quote +On December 27 2010 18:01 Soulfire wrote:
Yet another vote for Pandain - can you guys seriously stop that? There's no reason to be doing that, and the only thing we know about him thus far is that he's been pretty damn helpful, and past games show that he knows what he's doing. There's no reason to be piling votes on people, and new players will just be prompted to join the bandwagon. Ok, fine, Pandain wagon was bullshit, I have no clue why anyone joined it at all, town or not. What I do find interesting is that apparantly Pandain is "pretty damn helpful" while LSB, evidently, has not been. Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 14:22 Soulfire wrote:
Just read the last 5 pages, and like many others, paid attention to the argument between Annul and LSB. BOTH come off as scummy, but to be totally honest I think it's a safer bet to go with a lurker, for the same reasons that many have said - the more talkative a scum is, the more likely he is to make a mistake and thus be lynched. We have NOTHING to go by other than very slight hints in posting style. Our best bet easily is to lynch a lurker because they may continue lurking later on, and we won't be able to gather any hints from them that may identify them as scum. However, Annul and LSB will both continue posting frequently, thus increasing the chance that they may make mistakes and reveal themselves. If they all of a sudden STOP posting frequently, that'd be out of the character developed on day 1 and would be a pretty strong hint that they're scum.
Just my 2 cents. I don’t really get this. I’m thinking that if we can get Soulfire lynched or nightkilled then annul can be cleared of most suspicions. Once again he pushes lynching lurkers too. Also, people don’t switch roles midway (or at least not in this setup), so a change in character indicates they’re either dodging an accusation or real life problems. Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 08:19 Soulfire wrote:
I've been on the whole "lynch LSB" bandwagon, but after reading Pandain's logic, even though it makes HIM sound incredibly scummy as well the the information fishing, I'm gonna vote for Brocket. When I read over Pokemafia he indeed acted quite differently, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to hide under the radar.
But yeah, Pandain really strikes me as a mafia trying to save LSB - but then again, is there any way to protect someone WITHOUT appearing suspicious? Atleast he presents a logical argument. If LSB does not "prove himself", LYNCH HIM ON DAY 2. Completely dodges the LSB/Annul situation by going for a new bandwagon on brocket. Also staying under the radar by following pandain quite closely: Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 11:36 Soulfire wrote:
Gonna actually have to agree with Pandain's analysis here, I didn't think of it the way he put it: We don't have much to go on, so we might as well guarantee important information with a lynch of LSB.
##Unvote
##Vote LSB Conclusion: Very likely scum. Not too many posts at all, and none of them offering any original insight. imo this is a better lynch than anyone else so far, but Mr Wiggles earns second place. If Soulfire dodges the lynch then I’d at least like someone to DT check him.
Here we have him doing some analysis, which is great. It's not detailed or ideal but it's at least an honest effort. Compare it to his analysis this game:
On February 24 2011 17:07 seRapH wrote:
icemac that was possibly the easiest way to dodge taking sides. The dude's probably going to get replaced or modkilled anyways.
Seriously, take a stance on someone. Most of my game since my 6666th post has been going on through PMs, but I guess that was selfish of me >_>
##Vote Icemac
Things to take sides on:
GM vs Gryff- Cell System
Annul vs LSB- XXXV
Personally I doubt either of annul or LSB are scum, this is just a grudgematch. Coag and Kenpachi are playing more pro-town than usual (or maybe its just less spam?)
People I'm suspicious of:
Jackal- Playing a lot more passively than he did as town
Icemac- Stop dodging the issues at hand
Gofarman- Proponent of lynching inactives. Voting annul.
A few more I'm not too sure of, will follow up on their posts tomorrow when I'm awake. Maybe.
This post he hasn't said anything of value, other than giving and 8 word reason on people he's suspicious of (this was the best post I could find of us where he tried to give his thoughts on a situation that might be meaningful to the town).
Here's a post from pokemafia:
On December 18 2010 04:15 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 12:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Im going to vote for double lynch when we know for sure who's scum and who's not. I don't want to go off and double lynch two townies or two blues and then the town is fucked, because people like lsb doesn't know how to post anything that is worth meaning. I wish i could post more, but as i am out of town again and posting from my phone till tomorrow night when im able to get in front of a computer. Like i said, look at lsb, he's been "trying " to control the town and only has really put input only to me and says to lynch me. The reason why he keeps trying to lynch me is cause i hit a soft spot Holy shit this is so scummy. You sound like you don't think the town is in a tight spot here. We have 2 double lynches, and we're about to lose in a matter of days. It's not quite LYLO but it's getting damn close and I'd rather not get to that point. LSB has done way more than you have and I'm not about to dismiss his analysis just because you say I should. And we lost both Alakazam AND Mew. How the fuck are we going to know "for sure" who's scum and who's not? Oh wait, there is a way. Lynch them.
The thing to take away from this post is his outspoken attitude. You can notice the same kinda posting style in the one above from mafia xxxv. He has a semi aggressive style. For instance, notice that he swears off and on and he's definitely showing he's pissed off. I haven't found any post he's made this game that has the same kinda attitude. (Note: I'm not saying that swearing implies mafia or that swearing means anything. What's important is there is a clear attitude change from his past games and this game. He does not have an outspoken stance this game compared to his last games.)
Further example. This post is from Pokemafia after mafia killed 3 blues during the night:
On December 16 2010 10:49 seRapH wrote:
...
Shit.
God. Damn.
We can die.
The following post is from this game:
On February 26 2011 18:16 seRapH wrote:
Ouch, two bluesnipes. Also it's State Patty's day weekend here in PSU so idk when I'll be on.
Hopefully I'll be sober enough to drop in and read stuff.
Only the first 3 words are important for this argument. Before when a bunch of blues died he was flipping out, this game he just says "ouch". Definitely a lack of empathy towards the town in this game, while in his previous games he was concerned when blues starting toppling.
Conclusion: Seraph's posting rates shows he's either mafia or a bored townie. When we look at his past games, we see a somewhat aggressive posting style (not afraid to speak his mind) and concern for the well-being of the town. This game there is a clear lack of that as his posts just indicate that he's here watching.
I've already voted for him. So should you!
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Wait the voting doesnt end today?
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On March 02 2011 13:53 kevconsim wrote:
Wait the voting doesnt end today?
Nope. Voting ends tomorrow at 10 pm EST. Since you are on, what do you think of Seraph? Also, how about answering this question:
On March 02 2011 10:31 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 10:05 kevconsim wrote:
## Vote JBright
Out of everyone who has been posting i have been suspicious of him since yesterday. I guess we will see. Why are you suspicious of him?
Deconduo asked this of you a couple hours ago and you never responded. It seems like a reasonable enough question.
Also, it is kind of embarrassing to have posted an analysis on the same person as foolishness.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
It's rather good actually, it forces him to post something relevant. If it was just me he could easily ignore the subject and talk about other things.
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On March 02 2011 13:00 seRapH wrote:
Few things:
I never voted for ICanFlyLow. Ever. Check the voting thread, read through my votes. RoL you're cheating >=(
I remember you saying this earlier. Can you link me to where I messed up and I will double check. I remember it not making a difference so I didn't fix anything.
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On March 01 2011 21:40 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 19:47 LunarDestiny wrote:On March 01 2011 19:31 Jackal58 wrote:On March 01 2011 13:04 LunarDestiny wrote:On March 01 2011 11:53 Ser Aspi wrote:Some more bad posts: On March 01 2011 04:42 LunarDestiny wrote:On March 01 2011 00:31 deconduo wrote:On March 01 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:On February 28 2011 20:13 deconduo wrote:First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem: On February 25 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing. I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped. And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM. Have fun. We got scum here folks. Here was the post in question: On February 25 2011 00:46 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 22:41 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:Jackal, you haven't clarified this: + Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all. So your reasoning is: Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy. This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.... What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to. I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game. I think it's a horrid idea. I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you, i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched. ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched. How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in. -Your 'explanation' was mafia would use it to destroy town at end game. I gave you an example of your supposed endgame situation. You completely ignored it and simple put it down to opinion. I'll give my take on this... Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia. However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good. For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia. If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two. If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two. If both are town, I shouldn't lie. If both are mafia, mafia is stupid. Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful. Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate. Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town. But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason. So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?) So much you could weigh in on, and you write an essay that boils down: "posting pm's when theres a reason that gives town more reliable information is good" Of all the things you could have posted on LIKE SUSPECTS AND WHO YOU THINK IS MAFIA AND WHY, you said something as useless and obvious as that, and make it look like you are good Sir Sherlock Holmes solving cases left and right. You sir are trying to blend in. Who might want to blend in? DRRR I wonder. Maybe scum? This post's purpose is to ask jackal to describe what he meant. If I respond to you now, that would just make my post pointless. I promise you (not going to forget this time), that I will give you an explanation after jackal respond to my post or deuceuo's post relating to this subject. ok? Respond to what? A pointless argument that I decided was a difference in opinion? Respond to a question I already answered? And then said fuck it when decon didn't like my answer? I felt at the time it wasn't worth having a pissing contest over. You just had an argument with gryff over alleged PM content. That's why I think it's a bad idea. But I said that already. Only scum would attempt to continue making an issue out of a non-issue.
##VOTE: Lunar Destiny First of all, the pm thing I had is with Foolishness and I did not say his posting of the pm to call me out a bad thing. I am fine with it and glad to explain it. Now I ask you to give reason why you think posting pm is bad. To restate my question, give your reasons why posting pm is bad. Does the con outweigh the pro? (find my counter arguments from my post in the pm chain). This is just a simple question. Which I answered. Perhaps my answer was too simple. Posting PMs in my opinion is an easy way for scum to influence town. Particular at end game. That is "IN MY OPINION". If you disagree with my opinion fine. It's not worthy of an argument. Unless you are scum and wish to appear that you are contributing. Because that's all it is. Appearance. And
Took out the damn image...
We'll going to have a difference of opinion here. You find it pointless to discuss and I also start to find it bothersome. Gryffindor, in a couple of post above, pretty much responded for you... He described many situations and came up with a conclusion that posting pms is generally bad. His next sentence states it depend on how it was used. This is the part I most agreed with. I will reiterate again that if there should be a reason why the pm is being posted: contradiction found, being lynched, role fishing detected, etc.
Your center point was that end game pm posting will screw town up. Again, I find your statement too restricted. Yes, if it is at the point of lynch wrong and lose AND people start popping pms which is powerful enough to demand a lynch, then it will be damn suspicious. I don't remember this happening in the games I played but it could happen and screw town open. If mafia want to guild a mislynch, most of the time they'll just claim dt (ex. XXXVI:bumatlarge->me, insane: Pandain->Kenpachi).
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Response to Ser Aspi:
On March 01 2011 11:53 Ser Aspi wrote:Some more bad posts: Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 04:42 LunarDestiny wrote:On March 01 2011 00:31 deconduo wrote:On March 01 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:On February 28 2011 20:13 deconduo wrote:First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem: On February 25 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing. I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped. And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM. Have fun. We got scum here folks. Here was the post in question: On February 25 2011 00:46 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 22:41 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:Jackal, you haven't clarified this: + Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all. So your reasoning is: Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy. This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.... What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to. I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game. I think it's a horrid idea. I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you, i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched. ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched. How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in. -Your 'explanation' was mafia would use it to destroy town at end game. I gave you an example of your supposed endgame situation. You completely ignored it and simple put it down to opinion. I'll give my take on this... Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia. However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good. For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia. If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two. If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two. If both are town, I shouldn't lie. If both are mafia, mafia is stupid. Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful. Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate. Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town. But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason. So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?) So much you could weigh in on, and you write an essay that boils down: "posting pm's when theres a reason that gives town more reliable information is good" Of all the things you could have posted on LIKE SUSPECTS AND WHO YOU THINK IS MAFIA AND WHY, you said something as useless and obvious as that, and make it look like you are good Sir Sherlock Holmes solving cases left and right. You sir are trying to blend in. Who might want to blend in? DRRR I wonder. Maybe scum?
I did that post because I greatly disagree with jackal's attitude towards posting pms. Pretty much every mafia game, there will be someone posting pms and nobody was ever against that (at least that is what I remembered). I seen players posting pms to show alignments after someone from the pm circle dies and I like that.
One other reason is depending on Jackal's response, I can look at his previous games and look at where he was town and was he ever impressed or benefited from pm being posted. From the recent games where jackal and I were in where town was screwed by pm posting. I might have missed them (don't axe me in games I die early because I don't closely follow the game after I die...), but I am pretty sure there were none.
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I voted for him because i thought the vote was today.
I havent like some of his posts such as:
There isn't all that much for me to say in this situation. I think my play so far have been a hindrance to town - at best a bad townie and at worst a lurking scum. Both situations won't bring me to a situation of being nightkilled, so I'll assume that I'll be up for a lynch by the next day cycle if there are no better candidates.
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Hmm. You're right, that was a pretty long post...with half of it being a quote from you. Just can't win with you. Show a bit of inactivity (actually a lot)...scum. Post a defense of myself....scum. You know what, I'll just have fun for the remainder of my time in this game. I suppose only town would really care so much and be this aggressive, but what do I know.
Thats why i would have voted for him if the voting was tonight. But i guess its not.
##UNvote JBright
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On March 02 2011 03:45 LSB wrote:The lynch sucks Show nested quote +
3) I feel like you are fake-defending JBright to cover up your actual wanting to keep LD alive
Again, I feel like its another "iceman" esq lynch. This time I don't even think he supported Annul.
OK? speaking of iceman, both of these guys were on the iceman wagon, but not annul.
How do you defend that?
On March 02 2011 06:34 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +From: gryffindor [ 321 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: mafi
Date: 3/1/11 21:23
why are you voting JBright with a nearly RVS-style post on d3? Can you not make a case? Like, are you completely incapable of giving proper reasoning? someone doesnt want jbright lynched?
He's voting me, why wouldn't I want him lynched?
How about you actually interpret the post properly, and realize I want you to contribute more than posting pointless one liners.
I sent that PM to someone proving I had sent it to you. Deconduo, did I send you that PM before Coagulation posted it? The reason I push this last point is because you are essentially strawmanning here by not addressing my real issue with that vote... the fact YOU HAD NO REASONING WITH IT.
On March 02 2011 07:32 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 01:53 deconduo wrote:
Bum has so few posts in the game I'm surprised no one has picked up on it. If Foolishness is focusing on different playstyles, this should be pretty obvious yet he hasn't mentioned it at all. Considering all the games in the last few months where I survived past night 2 I've been scum, isn't this a good thing? ;D I like this post a lot though, I'll be using the voting pattern list you made.
You should have seen the picture of his computer, lol
he said "i have way too much time on my hands" !
On March 02 2011 09:01 LSB wrote:
I agree 4 KP is overpowered, but I do believe that Jackal is telling the truth.
I still think we should lynch Barundar.
My points about him forcing analysis still stands.
Or we should check out the Iceman lynch day 1 to see if it was actually a bus by mafia.
check out the iceman lynch... day 1... to see if it was a bus... ? excuse me?
Also, considering both you and Jackal have essentially claimed power roles that can be roleblocked, you all need to fully claim. You all will be role reversed anyways, and with LYLO only 2 lynches away if we hit MLs sadly, it is time for claims from you two.
On March 02 2011 09:04 LSB wrote:
If we trust Annul, and assume that there is one godfather.
4 Mafia left, 1 of which is godfather That leaves mafia with 2.5 KP. Which is a bit suspect, especially since 3 people died night one.
A more standard setup would be 6 mafia, 1 of which is godfather
5 Mafia left, 1 of which is godfather That leaves mafia with 3 KP. Mafia would have used all their KP on hits night one, meaning if they roleblocked both me and Jackal, that means a vig should have hit.
I don't even see how you could believe there are only 4 left. Possible given all the mechanics, but that seems a bit low. Maybe they balanced it out expecting all the modkills that always happen?
From my point of view, you are being misleading. You claim a guy bussed yesterday, and he counterclaims you. You claim you were roleblocked today, and a guy counterclaims you, which is even fishier given the amount of kills last night. Do you not see how your play so far could be detrimental to the town? I hope you do.
On March 02 2011 09:17 LSB wrote:
Why was the first to point out Icemac, coincidentally he did this after my assault on annul.
At the same time though, he wasn't really a annul supporter and did attack him a few times.
This reads as, well, he made a case... at the time we lynched mafia... but he's not that suspicious, you guys! i swear!
If I had to vote right now, it would definitely be on you. I was going to urge you/jackal/jbright to actually get on a relevant wagon, but I am considering making one myself.
You really need to full claim.
On March 02 2011 11:53 Jackal58 wrote:
JBright is town. kevconsim is scum.
Don't even ask me to explain, analyze, prove.
It is what it is.
UNVOTE: LD
VOTE: kevconsim
He was on the annul wagon, and at a very good time to not be scum. You NEED to explain. I'm not ASKING you to explain, I'm telling you.
I'm pretty sure he is town.
I'm going to Vote: LSB until I can see that he rectifies the situation with having been counterclaimed on consecutive days, although on d2 it was hardly legit as there wasn't a conspiracy.
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LSB/Jackal, care to give a reason not to fullclaim, as you've already outted yourself as power roles, and mafia will be able to use role reversals on you (therefore, it might be best to submit no actions during the night, informing the moderator you don't want to use actions if you are a role that it will directly affect. The only roles you can be are Cop/DT/MH/Vig/Doctor, all of which will probably be role reversed, unless you are mafia.
Time to claim, folks, since you stupidly outted yourselves.
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awesome broken mafia powers there RoL!!!
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On March 02 2011 16:37 Ace wrote:
awesome broken mafia powers there RoL!!!
Post game yo!
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@mod if a townie is "roleblocked" accidentally by scum, are they informed of this, as they have no night action?
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LSB already roleclaimed green:
And if you want proof I'm green, the fact that foolishness is still alive and wasn't triple stacked last night should be good enough.
I found Seraph to be far less hesitant to post in mafia xxxv. He got analysed by RoL day 1, and defended himself pretty well. He also posted a lot more. To pressure him:
##Vote: Seraph
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barundar! why couldnt you have waited?
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On February 24 2011 10:24 gryffindor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 06:29 annul wrote:
also hi. am out of class now
why arent we killing chaoser or GM?
im gonna go ##vote chaoser now myself. Annul is teamed with gmarshal. When mafia fos someone d1 and vote someone else they are teamed with their fos. On my phone, will catch up more later. This is a huge slip for d1 though, two scum caught possibly.
Sup
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On March 02 2011 16:15 gryffindor wrote:
LSB/Jackal, care to give a reason not to fullclaim, as you've already outted yourself as power roles, and mafia will be able to use role reversals on you (therefore, it might be best to submit no actions during the night, informing the moderator you don't want to use actions if you are a role that it will directly affect. The only roles you can be are Cop/DT/MH/Vig/Doctor, all of which will probably be role reversed, unless you are mafia.
Time to claim, folks, since you stupidly outted yourselves.
I'll bet you searched your parent's bedroom for your Christmas presents too.
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Good to see I'm not the only one who's suspicious of Seraph, I feel like he's playing a lot differently from XXXV, where he was a bit more in the limelight (in his defense, maybe it was because he was agreeing with me
On March 02 2011 13:39 Foolishness wrote:
Seraph
Here we have him doing some analysis, which is great. It's not detailed or ideal but it's at least an honest effort. Compare it to his analysis this game:
Considering its against a lurker, which doesn't take too much effort, I think you're giving him too much effort
The thing to take away from this post is his outspoken attitude. You can notice the same kinda posting style in the one above from mafia xxxv. He has a semi aggressive style. For instance, notice that he swears off and on and he's definitely showing he's pissed off. I haven't found any post he's made this game that has the same kinda attitude. (Note: I'm not saying that swearing implies mafia or that swearing means anything. What's important is there is a clear attitude change from his past games and this game. He does not have an outspoken stance this game compared to his last games.)
Although I don't agree with analysis based off of tone and dictation, this does explain a lot about why he's been slipping under my radar.
Voted for him
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@ gryff:
Sent at 3/2/11 01:13
Original Message From gryffindor: Already on top of it! To: Coagulation [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: mafi Date: 3/1/11 21:23 why are you voting JBright with a nearly RVS-style post on d3? Can you not make a case? Like, are you completely incapable of giving proper reasoning? Show nested quote +Original Message From deconduo:
Coag has 110 posts in the game, all but ~3 of them are one liners. I know he has a spammy reputation but I'm pretty sure he contributed a lot more in Orgah.
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