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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 01 2011 15:37 GMT
#1281
sorry guys! home stretch of midterms coming up! I'll be active tomorrow for sure.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 01 2011 15:38 GMT
#1282
I don't get the LD lynch.
Am I reading it right, or is it all based on one PM? (And also how LD is a bit more inactive than usual?)
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 01 2011 15:39 GMT
#1283
Also, can we stop with the pics? at least make it smaller. It's annoying to have to scroll down to read what you wrote =_=
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 01 2011 15:41 GMT
#1284
Yeah, here, just use this instead (or make your own one)
[image loading]
[img]http://imgur.com/zo6ON.jpg[/img]
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 01 2011 15:48 GMT
#1285
On March 02 2011 00:38 LSB wrote:
I don't get the LD lynch.
Am I reading it right, or is it all based on one PM? (And also how LD is a bit more inactive than usual?)


I mean, it's all circumstantial evidence but it's all we have to go on right now. OK BACK TO WORK NO TL!!! see you guys tomorrow!
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 01 2011 16:02 GMT
#1286
And the Jbright lynch is just about how he is indecisive?

Then again, it's not his first game. I'll look at how he played in Orgah
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 01 2011 16:33 GMT
#1287
Professor bad ass is a mod approved image
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
March 01 2011 16:35 GMT
#1288
On March 01 2011 23:52 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 19:14 Barundar wrote:
@JBright if you are town, then you keep fighting. Popping up making 1 post defending yourself and then giving up isn't good enough. Why don't you start contributing instead?

If I were a Vig, I would save my hit for someone more important, who I couldn't get lynched by making a case towards the town.

I lol'd


Well, that was something I wrote right before I went to sleep, so I wasn't going to answer any more until later.

Going back to SA's axis of evil, I already gave my (non)opinion on LD, but what about Seraph? Since I haven't been too active myself, I can hardly point my fingers at another low activity player. He seems to come on in spurts during each day/night cycle and didn't have very much to say except for his latest post. I didn't think too much of it, but I suppose the part about the icemac analysis seems strange. There was only ~20 min before the end of voting, so who was he really trying to convince?

Won't be reading this until at least 9pm Eastern, so I'll place my vote now. Since I've already thrown around some FoS, might as well vote for one of them. I believe that townies tend to play more aggressive in terms of scum hunting, so I'll keep my vote off GM and SA for now. If LD does post before voting ends, I could be persuaded to vote for him. I'll just go with gryffindor since he's the third of my gut picks.

##Vote: Gryffindor

I have actually been defending most of the bigger wagons to people in PMs.

1) why did you feel the need to use parenthesis here? I have only seen scum do that
2) why would you vote for the 3rd of your gut reads? That looks suspicious.

@LSB
1) why are you defending LD?
2) you cut out the pimp shoes
3) I feel like you are fake-defending JBright to cover up your actual wanting to keep LD alive
i got blisters on me fingers
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 01 2011 16:53 GMT
#1289
Thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +

The Axis: Lunar, Seraph, JBright

These guys have been lumped together as scum by the allies. To be honest, I feel the case against them is weak at best, but I'm not very good at scumhunting. Still, I don't think Lunar responded too well to the case against him. He also has enough experience to know that self-voting and defeatism is somewhat of a town tell. Seraph had a similar amount of posts in Pokemafia and only slightly more in XXXV at this point (30 vs 50) JBright I dunno, don't have a read on him really.

The Allies: Foolishness, Ser Aspi, LSB

Ser Aspi is pretty obviously parroting what Foolishness has said. I put LSB in this group due to Foolishness swooping in out of nowhere to save his ass by switching the bandwagon to LD. I think if Foolishness is mafia then I'd be pretty certain about the other two as well. Not the other way around however. Similarly if Lunar is mafia I'd probably cross off Foolishness and LSB. I doubt mafia would bus two days in a row.

The weird posting: Gryff, Coag, Bumatlarge, Jackal58

Gryff should be obvious. Coag has 110 posts in the game, all of them one liners. He has voted for people without explanation or reasoning. Bum has so few posts in the game I'm surprised no one has picked up on it. If Foolishness is focusing on different playstyles, this should be pretty obvious yet he hasn't mentioned it at all. Jackal is here because of his bizarre opinions on posting PMs and use of logic.

Lurking:
ohN - 4 posts, not short ones but nothing big enough to get noticed. Said he would contribute more but hasn't so far.
why - Seems to sheep a fair bit. He hasn't really offered any of his own opinions as far as I can see, just tagged on to others. Not a lot of posts.
LastA - Has some opinions at least, not a lot of posts either though.
Cubed - Somewhat inactive also, but has an excuse.
kevconsim - More posts than the rest but mostly spam/one liners.

Others:
GMarshal, chaoser, Barundar

If anything, my gut says they are more likely to be town.


Voting patterns:
+ Show Spoiler +

Same votes:
LSB: Annul, Icemac
chaoser: annul, Icemac
Gryff: annul, icemac
Cubed: annul, icemac
kevconsim: annul, icemac

Coag: gryff, JBright
Jackal58: gryff, Jbright

Axis of evil?
Lunar: Icemac, Lunar
Seraph: Ican, Icemac
JBright: JBright, Icemac

One green
Ican/bum: icemac, LSB
why: Icemac, Lunar
Ser Aspi: Mr Wig, Lunar

One red
decon: annul, LSB

Unknown
Foolishness: Seraph, LD
Barundar: Jackal, LSB
LastA: ican, LSB
GMarshal:Ican, JBright
ohn: gryff, Lunar

Mafia kills*:
Darmousseh: annul
Kitaman27: darmousseh
Mr. Wiggles: annul

Kenpachi: kenpachi, icemac
Beneather: icemac, icemac
OriginalName: icemac, lunar

*Possible vig day 2


Other:
+ Show Spoiler +

Vig claiming now would be kind of reassuring. Don't forget that you are essentially a normal townie now so theres no real reason to stay quiet.

If there was no vig shot then we are very close to lylo judging by the KP. Either that or one of LSB/Jackal is lying about being roleblocked for whatever reason.

The kills last night were strange also. None of the three had been doing anything interesting and curiously, none of them had voted for annul in the day 1 lynch. In addition they had all been voting for town, except possibly ON's 2nd vote.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 01 2011 16:58 GMT
#1290
For now my biggest FoS would be bumatlarge or possibly coag but I feel lynching them would be risky and wouldn't give us any information regardless of how they flipped. As such I think one of the axis is the best choice right now so that we can see if Foolishness is as good as people say or just scum leading us in circles.

Between the three I think I'd be most suspicious of Lunar. Similar to LSB I don't think he defended himself well against the accusation.

Vote:LunarDestiny
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
March 01 2011 18:04 GMT
#1291
I'm pretty ok with lynching LD, because of the way he played Mafia XXXVI.
I watched him from a scum perspective, and he was a bit of a thorn in our pawn.

This game, however, I barely noticed him.
Still, I expected that if he were scum, he would have become more active once the FoS was pointing at him, but he hasn't, so I'm not completely dismissing the possibility that he's simply being less active for this one.

But yeah I do agree with one thing wholeheartedly: get the lurkers to talk.
Someone in PM told me that people might be lurking due to the fact that they're medics or such and don't want to be sticking out, but mafia already knows who's mafia, so the green/blue lurkers WILL stick out like a sore thumb to them, especially if they don't start talking and town doesn't cast any blame on them. See Mafia XXXVI's Mr.Wiggles and BrownBear for example. At the end of the game I had to guess who medic was, and I picked one of these two. BB was medic and Wiggles was Mason. And it was obvious because town was protecting them. So, yeah, bottom line is, get everyone to talk.

Let's start with... ohN. Are you even part of this game?
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 01 2011 18:45 GMT
#1292
@LSB
1) why are you defending LD?

The lynch sucks

3) I feel like you are fake-defending JBright to cover up your actual wanting to keep LD alive

Again, I feel like its another "iceman" esq lynch. This time I don't even think he supported Annul.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
March 01 2011 20:13 GMT
#1293
On March 01 2011 21:40 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 19:47 LunarDestiny wrote:
On March 01 2011 19:31 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 01 2011 13:04 LunarDestiny wrote:
On March 01 2011 11:53 Ser Aspi wrote:
Some more bad posts:

On March 01 2011 04:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
On March 01 2011 00:31 deconduo wrote:
On March 01 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 28 2011 20:13 deconduo wrote:
First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem:

On February 25 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing.




I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped.
And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM.
Have fun.
We got scum here folks.


Here was the post in question:

On February 25 2011 00:46 deconduo wrote:
On February 24 2011 22:41 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:
Jackal, you haven't clarified this:

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:
On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop.


What?

If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away.

Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town


While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM

I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all.


So your reasoning is:

Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy.


This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin....



What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to.

I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game.
I think it's a horrid idea.


I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you,

i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched.
ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched.

How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in.


-Your 'explanation' was mafia would use it to destroy town at end game. I gave you an example of your supposed endgame situation. You completely ignored it and simple put it down to opinion.

I'll give my take on this...

Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia.
However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good.

For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia.

If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two.
If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two.
If both are town, I shouldn't lie.
If both are mafia, mafia is stupid.

Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful.


Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate.

Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town.

But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason.

So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?)


So much you could weigh in on, and you write an essay that boils down:

"posting pm's when theres a reason that gives town more reliable information is good"

Of all the things you could have posted on LIKE SUSPECTS AND WHO YOU THINK IS MAFIA AND WHY, you said something as useless and obvious as that, and make it look like you are good Sir Sherlock Holmes solving cases left and right.

You sir are trying to blend in. Who might want to blend in? DRRR I wonder. Maybe scum?

This post's purpose is to ask jackal to describe what he meant. If I respond to you now, that would just make my post pointless. I promise you (not going to forget this time), that I will give you an explanation after jackal respond to my post or deuceuo's post relating to this subject. ok?

Respond to what? A pointless argument that I decided was a difference in opinion? Respond to a question I already answered? And then said fuck it when decon didn't like my answer? I felt at the time it wasn't worth having a pissing contest over. You just had an argument with gryff over alleged PM content. That's why I think it's a bad idea. But I said that already.
Only scum would attempt to continue making an issue out of a non-issue.

##VOTE: Lunar Destiny

First of all, the pm thing I had is with Foolishness and I did not say his posting of the pm to call me out a bad thing. I am fine with it and glad to explain it.

Now I ask you to give reason why you think posting pm is bad.
To restate my question, give your reasons why posting pm is bad. Does the con outweigh the pro? (find my counter arguments from my post in the pm chain). This is just a simple question.

Which I answered. Perhaps my answer was too simple. Posting PMs in my opinion is an easy way for scum to influence town. Particular at end game. That is "IN MY OPINION". If you disagree with my opinion fine. It's not worthy of an argument. Unless you are scum and wish to appear that you are contributing. Because that's all it is. Appearance. And
[image loading]

Just noting that I am currently busy and will respond to this along with my promised respond to Ser Aspi tonight.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 01 2011 21:19 GMT
#1294
No vig claims yet.
O_o
Life can only kill you once.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 01 2011 21:21 GMT
#1295
Yep, so I think its safe to assume that the vigi isn't going to claim (meaning there was no vigi shot), which presents us with an issue, either scum have 3.5+ kp or someone is lying...
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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 01 2011 21:28 GMT
#1296
why would mafia lie. that would be very stupid play from mafia. I dont see what they would gain by it. expecially considering they should know whos being targeted for what at night
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 01 2011 21:34 GMT
#1297
From: gryffindor [ 321 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: mafi
Date: 3/1/11 21:23
why are you voting JBright with a nearly RVS-style post on d3? Can you not make a case? Like, are you completely incapable of giving proper reasoning?


someone doesnt want jbright lynched?
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 01 2011 21:48 GMT
#1298
On March 02 2011 06:21 GMarshal wrote:
Yep, so I think its safe to assume that the vigi isn't going to claim (meaning there was no vigi shot), which presents us with an issue, either scum have 3.5+ kp or someone is lying...

Was anybody role blocked during night 1?
If somebody claimed it I missed it.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 01 2011 21:50 GMT
#1299
I suppose mafia could have done some other shit like reversals and frames though.
Didn't have to be rb.
Dammit GM you're scaring me. Wtf is this "Super Mafia"?
Life can only kill you once.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 01 2011 21:52 GMT
#1300
not that I am aware of, but they can still use kp to frame and cover, so that dosn't mean much, since I can't see what benefit you guys would derive from lying about being role blocked then I will assume you are telling the truth.
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