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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
March 01 2011 03:39 GMT
#1241
Gg

go town~~~~
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 01 2011 03:56 GMT
#1242
Alright my friend JBright you posted a little something that makes my blood boil, namely this

On February 28 2011 23:08 JBright wrote:
There isn't all that much for me to say in this situation. I think my play so far have been a hindrance to town - at best a bad townie and at worst a lurking scum. Both situations won't bring me to a situation of being nightkilled, so I'll assume that I'll be up for a lynch by the next day cycle if there are no better candidates.


Why would you do this? if you really are town then you are making us waste a lynch on you and you are wasting your vote, remember every townie we lynch brings us four deaths closer to lylo, so if what you are saying is your real attitude, then not only are you wasting your potential to analize or at least think, but you are wasting town KPs on you when we badly need them to kill mafia. I can undertand that the thread is intimidating, especially when you see people with 6000 posts posting these biblical length posts, but in the end your vote is worth the same yours is, all you have to do is think critically and post what you think. No one is demanding you be right, no one is demanding you post homeric epics that clearly prove who is scum, all I want you to do is use logic, and post what you come up with.

Please if you really are town then dont make us sacrifice 4 townies (you + 3 night kills) because you don't want to think, or post your thoughts. Its ok to be wrong, its not ok to not commit.

So I'll ask you JBright, what do you think of LD as a lynch? If you had to lynch someone within the next hour and your vote decided it who would die? Is there anyone who you think is certainly town, anyone you think has to be scum?

Come on man, the game is no fun if you give up on us.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
March 01 2011 03:58 GMT
#1243
I, I was killed..
Im flattered
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
March 01 2011 03:58 GMT
#1244
the fact that ON was townie (miller) shows he was framed, elsewise his name would be colored in black as seen in nearly all of the other games here showing a miller. The fact his name is in green, and framed, leads me to believe a vigilante hit him.

Now, if we look at the numbers for 5 mafia = 2.5kp
2 kills, 1 frame, 2 roleblocks... still not adding up
LSB/jackal are guilty

why are people voting someone other than them?
even WITH a vigilante shot, I'm pretty sure they're guilty, unless the mafia are getting more numerical value than I anticipated.
i got blisters on me fingers
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
March 01 2011 04:00 GMT
#1245
On March 01 2011 12:58 gryffindor wrote:
the fact that ON was townie (miller) shows he was framed, elsewise his name would be colored in black as seen in nearly all of the other games here showing a miller. The fact his name is in green, and framed, leads me to believe a vigilante hit him.

Now, if we look at the numbers for 5 mafia = 2.5kp
2 kills, 1 frame, 2 roleblocks... still not adding up
LSB/jackal are guilty

why are people voting someone other than them?
even WITH a vigilante shot, I'm pretty sure they're guilty, unless the mafia are getting more numerical value than I anticipated.


On February 10 2011 15:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Player List

1. Coagulation
2. LSB
3. Barundar
4. CubEdIn
5. Jackal58
6. Kenpachi - Killed Night 2
7. darmousseh - Medic, Night 1
8. annul - Lynched Day 1
9. gryffindor
10. GMarshal
11. Beneather - Killed Night 2
12. icemac - Lynched Day 2
13. OriginalName - Miller, Killed Night 2
14. JBright
15. seRapH
16. ohN
17. astroorion - MOD
18. Foolishness
19. Gofarman
20. Conversion MaxwellE - MOD
21. kitaman27 - Night 1
22. kevconsim
23. ICanFlyLow Bumatlarge
24. Mr. Wiggles - Cop, Night 1
25. chaoser
26. LunarDestiny
27. Ser Aspi
28. deconduo
29. why
30. LastArgument

Possible replacement que.
1. Aidnai
2. Bumatlarge
3. darmousseh

This is a closed set up. Mafia KP and blue count are hidden. All roles listed may or may not be used.

There are currently 20 players remaining.

There are currently ? Townies remaining.
There are currently ? Medics remaining.
There are currently ? Detectives remaining.
There are currently ? Cops remaining.
There are currently ? Vigilantes remaining.
There are currently ? Mad Hatters remaining.
There are currently ? Veterans remaining.
There are currently ? Millers remaining.

There are currently ? Mafia remaining.
There are currently ? Godfather(s) remaining.

Current mafia KP Cumulative The way the mafia KP works is that each member represents .5KP while the Godfather is worth 1KP. The current power scheme requires that they sacrifice KP in order to use their power.

If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
March 01 2011 04:01 GMT
#1246
for those who couldn't see what my reply to gryff was.

He was wrong about the frame, millers are green in terms of death flips -_-
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 01 2011 04:01 GMT
#1247
@gryff or you know the mod decided to put the name in green? it would not be the first time a mod has made a minor error like that. Its also jumping to this huge assumption off a tiny thing, so I think its best we ask

@Mods is there any significance to ON's role being in green rather than black (outside of what his alignment is I mean)
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LastArgument
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
March 01 2011 04:02 GMT
#1248
On March 01 2011 13:01 GMarshal wrote:
@gryff or you know the mod decided to put the name in green? it would not be the first time a mod has made a minor error like that. Its also jumping to this huge assumption off a tiny thing, so I think its best we ask

@Mods is there any significance to ON's role being in green rather than black (outside of what his alignment is I mean)


read my reply above -_-
If i have learned one thing from life, it's that every man wants something
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 01 2011 04:03 GMT
#1249
yeah sorry I didn't see your post before posting LastArgument, sorry
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
March 01 2011 04:04 GMT
#1250
Indeed

##Vote Seraph
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
March 01 2011 04:04 GMT
#1251
On March 01 2011 11:53 Ser Aspi wrote:
Some more bad posts:

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 04:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
On March 01 2011 00:31 deconduo wrote:
On March 01 2011 00:19 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 28 2011 20:13 deconduo wrote:
First of all we have Jackal. He claimed posting PMs is scummy. When asked to explain the logic behind it he dodged the question twice then posted this gem:

On February 25 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Decon- We'll simply have to agree to disagree on the posting of PM's. I think it's a bad idea. You don't. I'm over it. It's not an issue worth arguing.




I didn't dodge it. You just didn't like my answer. Ya the one you skipped.
And now you're in a pissing contest over the content of a posted PM.
Have fun.
We got scum here folks.


Here was the post in question:

On February 25 2011 00:46 deconduo wrote:
On February 24 2011 22:41 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:
Jackal, you haven't clarified this:

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:
On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:
On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop.


What?

If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away.

Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town


While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM

I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all.


So your reasoning is:

Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy.


This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin....



What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to.

I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game.
I think it's a horrid idea.


I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you,

i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched.
ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched.

How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in.


-Your 'explanation' was mafia would use it to destroy town at end game. I gave you an example of your supposed endgame situation. You completely ignored it and simple put it down to opinion.

I'll give my take on this...

Posting pm for no reason is a bad thing because it will reveal information to mafia.
However, there are many circumstances where posting pm is good.

For example, look how Foolishness post his pm with me and find that I didn't do what exactly I promised. That generated one point saying why i am mafia.

If he is mafia and I town, and edited the pm, I can denied it and there goes 1 mafia of the two.
If I am mafia and he town. If I denied the pm and same 1 mafia out of the two.
If both are town, I shouldn't lie.
If both are mafia, mafia is stupid.

Icemac also gave out all pm before he died. It give additional information for town to work with and town can use those to accuse or defend people. Taking those pms into the grave is not as useful.


Your case describes that mafia edit the pm and use them for the late game. This situation only works if the other person mafia is editing the pm from is afk and don't claim the pm is edited. This is huge risk from mafia and certainly mafia would take unless they are desperate.

Your other case say that 2 or more mafia talk in circles and post pm to make themselves look good. This case stands because it would be hard to prove these pms wrong. Also even revealing one of them mafia doesn't prove that the other is mafia believe it could very well be legit pm between mafia and town.

But if we just compare the pro and con of post pm. i find it is beneficial for them to be posted given there is a reason.

So I have to agree with deucenuo on this subject and asking you to describe why it is bad to post pm. Also give your reasons why posting pm is bad. (Does the con outweigh the pro?)


So much you could weigh in on, and you write an essay that boils down:

"posting pm's when theres a reason that gives town more reliable information is good"

Of all the things you could have posted on LIKE SUSPECTS AND WHO YOU THINK IS MAFIA AND WHY, you said something as useless and obvious as that, and make it look like you are good Sir Sherlock Holmes solving cases left and right.

You sir are trying to blend in. Who might want to blend in? DRRR I wonder. Maybe scum?

This post's purpose is to ask jackal to describe what he meant. If I respond to you now, that would just make my post pointless. I promise you (not going to forget this time), that I will give you an explanation after jackal respond to my post or deuceuo's post relating to this subject. ok?
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 04:24:32
March 01 2011 04:20 GMT
#1252
On March 01 2011 13:01 GMarshal wrote:
@gryff or you know the mod decided to put the name in green? it would not be the first time a mod has made a minor error like that. Its also jumping to this huge assumption off a tiny thing, so I think its best we ask

@Mods is there any significance to ON's role being in green rather than black (outside of what his alignment is I mean)

No significance. He was town aligned, he was not framed. A framed death won't say anything extra to show he was framed.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 01 2011 04:21 GMT
#1253
alright thank you RoL, thats what I thought, but I wanted to avoid stupid arguments
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 01 2011 04:22 GMT
#1254
Oh shit. I knew I forgot a modkill last night. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888&currentpage=34#673. Gofarman has been modkilled
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
March 01 2011 04:27 GMT
#1255
I dont think a vig popped yet. I'm thinking mafia have 4kp. First night perhaps 2 cover/frame or role reverser. With 4 kp I'd think mafia would have 3 GFs and 2 grunts, annul dieing leaving 1 grunt who might be worth covering, and then throwing a frame somewhere. Perhaps they decided to use RBs as the grunt hadn't garnered additional attention for a night 2 check. Perhaps he was a suspect earlier on, worth looking into IMO.

As for the RBs, I'm not sold on them, as they are very easy to fake claim with the cumulative format. Especially since I think LSB has appeared red to myself and others. Not sure about jackal, but this format from my perspective gives mafia a lot of more exciting opportunities to be pro active. LSB is similar to me in that regard. I think he would take a chance bussing a teammate for the fun of the game which I would respect.

But I don't have any other facts to go on to disprove these role blocks, other then that they can happen. I'm not going to tunnel LSB, when this could be legitimate and my guess off. I'd feel stupid if a vig claimed but I'm saying this is what I would do as scum.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
March 01 2011 04:31 GMT
#1256
If we don't kill any scum in the next two lynches, we will be at lylo
Sorry for the confusion about the miller.
1) Millers are usually colored black
2) With framing, I didn't expect them to be in the game due to balance
i got blisters on me fingers
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
March 01 2011 04:40 GMT
#1257
Alright I'm going to bed relativity soon, when I get up I want this thread to be on page 100 or so, with everyone having contributed

+ Show Spoiler +
while I'm wishing for the impossible I also want a complete list of the scum team and 5 free daykills please
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gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
March 01 2011 04:52 GMT
#1258
I'd rather the thread be on 64, with a nice town bandwagon on scum
i got blisters on me fingers
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 01 2011 04:59 GMT
#1259
##Vote Jbright
why
Profile Joined May 2009
United States215 Posts
March 01 2011 05:08 GMT
#1260
I don't believe that jbright is scum because he made that ridiculous post about how he sucked so much which could only serve to draw attention to himself with no corresponding gain for the risk he incurred.

So, I'm going to vote Seraph because I really want to see him post more since he is supposedly an experienced player. LD would be a good lynch for informational purposes but I'm not convinced he's scum.

##Vote: Seraph
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