EPTLet's talk about it - Page 18
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FastgunZ
United States35 Posts
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10or10
Sweden517 Posts
And to make this post a truly suck-up post I feel I should post this too: Thank you, inc, for your work promoting sc2 and for the content you make for me to view and listen to. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
That said, this shows your profesionalism and should reassure everyone that you are indeed the man for this job. | ||
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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pwei
United States62 Posts
However, you're actions with the GSL restream disappoint me greatly. This action is a direct affront to what you are trying to get everyone to step forward with you on. Some people here might think it's not a big deal, but I'm sure if you reflect on it, you understand how big of a step backwards it is symbolically. I think you'd be pretty upset at someone restreaming NASL, who defended themselves with the excuses you used. You would not think them an appropriate ambassador for the community. But it seems like you are a genuinely reflective person, so as long as you recognize your errors and go forward with a commitment to do right, then all is good. Best of luck. | ||
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awwnuts07
United States621 Posts
On February 26 2011 17:11 kellymilkies wrote: xoxo peace out If the person who got made fun of is cool and sending her love, that should pretty much settle things on that side of the issue. But seriously Incontrol. Restreaming Gom? Yeesh. As someone who also has a tendency to let his words and actions land him into hot water, all I can say is: suck it up (which you are), admit when you were wrong (that's on point), and learn from your mistakes (looks like you got that one covered too). GL with NASL. I'm looking forward to it. | ||
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
On February 26 2011 17:49 awwnuts07 wrote: If the person who got made fun of is cool and sending her love, that should pretty much settle things on that side of the issue. Does this mean InControl and internet goers can resume their mockery of Kelly then? | ||
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Hoju
United States449 Posts
Like Brood said: On February 26 2011 06:15 BroOd wrote: It's all about figuring out what's appropriate and when, and that's not always immediately obvious. Sometimes you don't see the barrier until you crash into it. Once you find that happy medium, you'll be golden, it's when you stray to far to either side of the spectrum that you run into problems. I can tell that you take this very seriously, so I have no doubt you'll make the right adjustments. Just don't change too much  | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
That said, I actually agree with the 'haters' in that I consider you the wrong type of personality for the front man of NASL. So if you do indeed want to continue, I appreciate the effort to make changes. Of course, you wont be judged by this post, but rather your conduct over the coming 12 months or so  | ||
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eltese
Sweden369 Posts
I've heard a couple of people have given Artosis a hard time too. You do your thing babes and be fucking sure to win the next TL open so i can root for you in TSL too ! :D | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Monk___
United States123 Posts
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
But you see it as necessary to change, so do what you gotta do incontrol. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
It was basically like the Mystery Science Theater 3000 (MST3K) crew was watching a few SC2 games and constantly getting distracted by shiny things on the Internet. Furthermore, when an Admin of JTV got into the stream chat and got iNcontroL's attention to notify him that he wasn't allowed to stream GOM, he instantly stopped. The above is 1 of the 3 "infringements" that people keep bringing up. The other 2 are asking for a link to a restream/banning Huko (I put them together because apart, they aren't a big deal at all), and doing Kelly impressions. Now, the issue concerning Kelly was blown so far out of proportion that it makes my head hurt. It should be stated first that he and Kelly knew each other before there was any controversy. Second, impressions of people is something iNcontroL has been known for a long time now, and I would hope that everyone knows by now that there's no ill will behind them. As I understand it, Kelly asked him directly to ease up on the impressions, and he promptly apologized to her personally and stopped. Furthermore, I can attest personally that he had been banning several people from his stream for talking bad about her. There is no animosity here. Kelly comes to his stream all the time to chat and hang out. Hell, I'm guessing that Kelly asking him to stop had more to do with her own situation dealing with the community over her GSL casting than it did with her being offended. From what I've been able to put together, the 3rd situation started when he asked in his stream chat for a link to a restream for the GSL. Why he did that, I couldn't say. He's stated in the past that he's had trouble with the GOM website, and I know for a fact that the GOM player stream was down for a fair amount of time that night (and I was using the pay stream, so it goes without saying that the free stream was down too). I had to find a URL for VLC player just to watch Jinro. But anyway, so he gets a link to a restream, which happens to be Huko. I wasn't there for this, but what I heard is that there was a lot of trash talk going on in Huko's stream specifically against iNcontroL. I don't know if it was in his chat or if he was saying the stuff to his stream. In any case, iNcontroL was there listening to it for a while (supposedly about an hour). Eventually, he got fed up with it, went to ban Huko for restreaming, and found that Huko had, in fact, been banned for restreaming GOM before. THAT BEING SAID, he probably should have let it go. It was somewhat hypocritical of him to ban Huko for restreaming when he was the one asking for a link to a restream. Personally, I feel that his own association with restreaming from the past was unfortunate, but I don't think that THAT incident should have had any bearing on his decision to ban Huko. So, as you can see, 2 of these 3 situations were blown WAY WAY WAY out of proportion. The 3rd situation would have me a little red in the face, but certainly does NOT warrant this kind of backlash. More importantly, NONE OF THESE INCIDENTS ARE RELATED! People keep getting all the facts mixed up and it turns into some giant scandal, and it's bullshit. People keep painting iNcontroL as the bad guy here, but that's so obviously not the case. The worst part of all of this is that people keep bringing up the NASL. Why?!? It has NOTHING to do with this. Do people really think that iNcontroL being himself on his stream and SotG is going to affect the NASL whatsoever? I mean seriously, the NASL is certainly going to make eSports and SC2 bigger, but it's not like it's going to become a household name overnight. If sponsors and the such DID care about all this crap going down here, it's ONLY because people are making such a huge deal out of it. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You whip 50 nerds up into a frenzy shouting that someone is making eSports look bad and get a dozen threads up to 20 pages and of COURSE sponsors are going to look at that say "Hmmm, this is getting some bad publicity, we'd better step in", when all you had to do from the start was get the whole goddamn story before posting and realize that it's not even worth mentioning! /rant I could say so much more, but this is already an epic wall of text that I doubt very many people will even bother reading. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 26 2011 05:48 vrok wrote: I just think that sometimes the joking is a bit too personal and disrespectful-sounding, more like bullying. While as a normal person among friends that can no doubt be absolutely hilarious, it's not too becoming when it comes from a professional player and caster regarding other players and casters. Artosis is (or used to be) pretty similar I feel, but he has toned it down some and to me done it just the right amount as well. I feel if you just tone down some of the more extreme stuff that we all know (and usually like) you're just saying to get people riled up, it would be ok. I recognize the situation because I'm exactly like that myself and have to make an effort among strangers I don't wish to offend too much, to restrain myself and my candid humor to a somewhat more appropriate level. You don't have to go all the way and become a children's program host though like Day9.  I've never been much of a fan before but I will wish you good luck in your career and personal development so hopefully I and many others can become fans some day. This sums up a lot of my own thoughts. I think you've frequently over-stepped the mark in the past, but at least you realise it and you're stating that you're committed to change for the better. Artosis has toned down and made his image considerably more professional. This has led some to not even knowing he was ever considered a BM player/person. I think that's great. I never knew that side of him, but I've seen posts and examples from the past and heard veterans speak of it. I think modulating your personality to fit a role is reasonable and mature. I think this apology thread was a good idea to clear up any ill-feeling from the majority of your critics. The minority will likely be unappeased, but only time will tell whether they were right all along. In any case, I wish you all the best in this new profession and hope it works out to everyone's advantage. On February 26 2011 14:31 Manifesto7 wrote: Is this situation going to be addressed? Even though it was from the Louder era, you are still operating under the same brand. I am not sure where this falls under. This is somewhat disturbing though. It would be nice to be reassured about it. | ||
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relic
United Kingdom148 Posts
Saying that, I was one of the people who questioned about your ability to lead NASL into what it potentially could be. I have the ability, the passion, the time and the desire. You may think you can name better people but for now you may just have to trust me that there are no others with these factors in alignment with their abilities. Now if we look at that statement, that's something a VERY confident person would say, someone who generally has experience in dealing with something on this scale, do you? I mean do you have the experience of leading a potentially huge scale tournament, and being the face of it to a totally new crowd of gamers and public? Also, you could name any person who could say they have the passion, time and desire to do something, that's the kind of rubbish that I read on CV's (resumes for you Americans) and instantly make me put them in the bin, they're pretty redundant. I wish you all the luck in the world, we NEED this tournament to do well and continue far past it's 3 season course, and it's up to you to prove that it's viable to do so. I hope you're mature enough to see this not as just a gaming venture, and that serious decisions and real experience is going to be needed. Personality aside, I hope you have it. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
On February 26 2011 17:11 kellymilkies wrote: xoxo peace out QFT. Sometimes it takes a girl to tell all us guys to stop acting like chicks and get on with the real shit! NASL FTW!! ESPORTS FTW gogogo | ||
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