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On February 01 2011 11:35 blitzkrieger wrote:
WOAH THIS IS SO WASTEFUL! Someone could have eaten or used those furs! I wonder if Husky furs are valuable... or if their meat can be used for anything. At the very least use them for scientific research instead of killing useful commodities.
Who cares about the animals though. People suffer far worse fates than this and are actually intelligent enough to be able to live in fear and realization of it. Oh yeh dont forget about abortion where they stick scissors into babies heads and necks. Oh wait I bet no one cares about that but THE POOR DOGGY WOGGIES! sigh... humanity...
Should have paid me to kill those dogs I would have done it without crying about PTSD. Or maybe I should cry and get a bunch of money like the liberals (but use it to fund America/Republicans/NRA).
Slitting their throats seems too risky and difficult and time consuming. I dont know how thick those dog sleds fur are but I imagine they are quite thick to protect from the cold. I could see decapitating them with a chainsaw though. Personally I'd use a rifle b/c I dont want a bunch of dog blood on me and it would be fun to practice aiming. Bullets are pretty cheap but that cattle gun they use to execute cattle might be cheaper. Pretty sure the bullets are cheaper though.
Epic trolling bro. For a second I thought I had signed into 4chan, not TeamLiquid
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Blehh that's fucking disgusting. I feel ashamed to even be a British Columbian now =/
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I think if anything the crime here is sending a man untrained in culling dogs to kill a massed amount of them without proper tools or help. Seeing as this man was probably emotionally attached to what he was working with it would have been better to get someone who didn't own the dogs to kill them. There is no doubt that they needed to die. Nobody wants to send 100 wild dogs into whistler, or take the time and effort that would reduce efficiency in a business to give them away. In some places people are killed for being inefficient. Why would anyone think twice about killing a lesser species?
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On February 01 2011 11:13 MapleFractal wrote:If the owners couldn't find home's for the animals I believe it would have been moral to have the animals put down. However the manner in which this was handled is disgusting, just another fine example of man's willingness to sacrifice moral ground to maximize profits. $100 to be a decent human being or $1 for a bullet. Oh well, its Canada killing dogs like that is a worse offense then selling weed. They will most likely get hit pretty hard in court. Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:12 Deadlyhazard wrote:On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote:
They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned. You're terrible  . Humans are just animals too you know... No , human's are not animal's. Animals are driven by instinct not emotions that you or I experience. We have the capability to be driven by instinct but one a whole were are different.
Yes, we are animals. We are just far more advanced than the rest, that's all. Killing 100 dogs isn't the same as killing 100 people, I agree, but it's still sick and immoral (in a situation like this).
And I hope you don't misunderstand me when I say killing dogs is more ok than killing people. From a neutral point of view (e.g nature), it's not worse to kill humans than dogs. What I mean is that we humans obviously "care" more about our own species (the fact that we care at all, is because of emotions, probably). And because we are vastly superior to animals in terms of intelligence, we also tend to see ourselves as something else than "animals". Truth is though, we are nothing but highly developed animals...at least in my opinion.
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On February 01 2011 11:13 MapleFractal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:12 Deadlyhazard wrote:On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote:
They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned. You're terrible . Humans are just animals too you know... No , human's are not animal's. Animals are driven by instinct not emotions that you or I experience. We have the capability to be driven by instinct but one a whole were are different.
I submit that you are grossly unqualified to make judgments on the emotional capacities of any living thing other than yourself.
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I think it's illogical to get outraged about this kind of thing but turn a blind eye to the horrible treatment of farm animals. However that's how society has developed, this kind of speciesism is ingrained in our culture.
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On February 01 2011 11:35 PhiGgoT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:24 KwarK wrote:
I wouldn't have been able to kill them myself but these were working dogs, not pets. I don't see anything wrong with the decision to cull them if other options were explored but not possible. ?? Really? You think it's okay to kill 100 dogs because they are "working" dogs and not pets? And what the hell are you talking about "if other options were explored but not possible" lol there are ALWAYS other options than just straight killing.
I think they are animals bred and raised for a purpose. I think killing them is no worse than killing a cow for beef. I couldn't kill them personally because I have pet dogs which I love and I'd have way too much shit because of that but these aren't someones pet. Pigs are just as smart and we have no issue with killing them.
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So the guy who actually shot 100 dogs, got compensated and let off the hook because he claimed PTSD? If he hadn't claimed PTSD he would have still been criminalized even if he was "ordered" to. He still chose to do it. That's ridiculous
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This makes me sick, 100 dogs being slaughtered like that, why not just sell them to people or kill them in a much more humane way or let them go?
Does anyone what charge the man can face and how much prison time if at all?
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damn that sucks...
growing up in korea i've seen many dog abuse(80-early 90s), i even saw one burn to death with a torch, 15 minutes later being chopped to pieces to be cooked.
from that i feel no shock when i hear news like this...however in this time and age, and especially in civilized world, this should not be allowed.
only thing i can think of is that they had no other way...but this obviously isn't true. whoever in charge probably didn't think much of it and just concluded: no dog = less money being wasted. he/she obviously didn't want to go through the hassle of finding them home...again this is no excuse since she/he could have just found a volunteer to do so through craigslist or something.
whoever in charge was not an animal lover.
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On February 01 2011 11:24 KwarK wrote:
I wouldn't have been able to kill them myself but these were working dogs, not pets. I don't see anything wrong with the decision to cull them if other options were explored but not possible.
People seem to be misinterpreting what KwarK intended to say. The key words here are "if other options were explored but not possible". Clearly, the manner in which these sled dogs were "culled" is disgusting, and I dearly hope that the guy in charge of this is given his due penance. Perhaps even a lethal injection is a bit much to stomach for some of you (please note that my tone here is not meant to be mocking in the slightest). However, KwarK is not advocating that, as work dogs and not pets, he was fine with the huskies being put down. His point was that these dogs wouldn't have been fit for too much else other than being sled dogs. Despite these limitations, other options would invariably exist, and those options should have been pursued to the extent permitted by resources and time. If, and ONLY if, every one of those options didn't pan out, euthanasia should be considered the last resort.
It's regrettable and saddening, but not unreasonable.
I understand that many of you hold animal rights as highly as those of humans, and that they deserve the utmost respect. I happen to agree somewhat, but please don't let your zeal prevent you from letting others voice their opinions without being attacked for them.
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Ugh, I feel so sick after hearing this. I hope both this guy and the company he works for are prosecuted.
On February 01 2011 11:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:35 PhiGgoT wrote:On February 01 2011 11:24 KwarK wrote:
I wouldn't have been able to kill them myself but these were working dogs, not pets. I don't see anything wrong with the decision to cull them if other options were explored but not possible. ?? Really? You think it's okay to kill 100 dogs because they are "working" dogs and not pets? And what the hell are you talking about "if other options were explored but not possible" lol there are ALWAYS other options than just straight killing. I think they are animals bred and raised for a purpose. I think killing them is no worse than killing a cow for beef. I couldn't kill them personally because I have pet dogs which I love and I'd have way too much shit because of that but these aren't someones pet. Pigs are just as smart and we have no issue with killing them.
To me, the two biggest issues are whether or not the killings are humane the intelligence of the animals involved. I would still have a pretty strong reaction to seeing/hearing about the mistreatment of farm animals. Up until doing some research just now, I had no idea pigs were so intelligent. I'm actually having a bit of a moral crisis about eating pork, ham and bacon now. :S
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On February 01 2011 11:58 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
This makes me sick, 100 dogs being slaughtered like that, why not just sell them to people or kill them in a much more humane way or let them go?
Does anyone what charge the man can face and how much prison time if at all?
what's the canadian law for animal abuse??
there was a incident in korea recently who abused a cat and put up pictures on a blog. only punishment was something along the lines of $300 fine. however, this incident did initiate reforming animal abuse laws.
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Some of you guys are ridiculous. Should all slaughter house employees be prosecuted for killing animals? It's illogical to care about dogs but not pigs.
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On February 01 2011 11:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:35 PhiGgoT wrote:On February 01 2011 11:24 KwarK wrote:
I wouldn't have been able to kill them myself but these were working dogs, not pets. I don't see anything wrong with the decision to cull them if other options were explored but not possible. ?? Really? You think it's okay to kill 100 dogs because they are "working" dogs and not pets? And what the hell are you talking about "if other options were explored but not possible" lol there are ALWAYS other options than just straight killing. I think they are animals bred and raised for a purpose. I think killing them is no worse than killing a cow for beef. I couldn't kill them personally because I have pet dogs which I love and I'd have way too much shit because of that but these aren't someones pet. Pigs are just as smart and we have no issue with killing them.
I agree with the general idea that for people who have read animal rights articles, this is nothing out of the ordinary in terms of how we humans treat animals. This is an article I came across a while back:
Around 10,000 years ago the European wild boar was domesticated and this gave rise to the pink domesticated pig that can be seen on factory farms world wide.
In the wild pigs live in herds of between 2 and 6 females and their recent offspring. Within this group a stable hierarchy forms based on age and size; with the older and larger females being the most dominant. During mating season, a male will enter the group and assume dominance of the group until mating has been successful.
During a typical day, pigs would spend their time foraging for food or sleeping in one of many nesting sites they have within their home range. These nests are made by the pigs arranging grass, twigs and other bedding materials. During the evening the whole herd will sleep together on a communal nest at the centre of the herd’s home range.
On a factory farm pigs are unable to carry out these important instinctual behaviours.
In New Zealand there are over 350,000 pigs on factory farms; most destined to be eaten.
They live in filthy crammed conditions, unable to display any of their natural behaviours such as foraging, nesting, forming hierarchies and in many cases even turning around.
Boars and Gilts
Naturally, boars would leave their mother at 7 months of age. After this time they would primarily have a solitary life roaming a home range greater than 100 hectares in area.
On a factory farm boars are confined to individual stalls or small group pens. The close proximity to other boars can be stressful. The confinement leads to the boars suffering from boredom, frustration and a lack of exercise.
Sows who have not yet been bred are known as gilts and are often housed in small group pens.
Despite common perception; pigs are very clean animals and would naturally have a dunging area well separated from their sleeping nest. In group pens there are generally about 4 or 5 gilts in an area only a few square meters in area. This results in the pigs being covered in their own excrement. The high level of ammonia in the atmosphere also leads to urine scald.
Sow Stalls
Over half of the sows in NZ are placed in dry sow stalls for either part or all of their 115 day pregnancy. When the sows are about to give birth they are transferred to a farrowing crate. Given that sows are either nursing young or are pregnant they are essentially confined for their entire life on the farm.
A sow’s home range would usually be upwards of 100 hectares. However on a factory farm they are restricted to an area that measures 60 centimetres by 2 metres. The sows can not turn around in these stalls; they can only sit, stand or lie down.
Sows have strong behavioural desires to root and forage. Confinement and barren living conditions mean that the sows cannot carry out these behaviours and they become bored and frustrated. This leads to the development of abnormal behaviours which the sows regularly repeat. These behaviours include bar chewing, sham chewing, head weaving and tongue rolling.
Sows have also shown behaviour indicative of learned helplessness and depression; this is apparent in sows who can be seen in the ‘dog-sitting’ position.
Confinement also harms the sows physically; frustration can cause the sows to bite the ears of neighbouring sows leaving them with open wounds. The constant contact wit the metal stall bars also leave the sows with cuts and scratches. The constant kneeling on a concrete floor results in calluses forming on the sows knees.
Sows confined to stalls are prone to developing overgrown toenails which result in lameness, foot injuries and leg and foot deformities.
Pigs have strong maternal instincts and confinement to a sow stall makes it impossible for the expectant mother to prepare for the birth of her litter. Before the birth, the mother sow would naturally prepare a special nest for her young. On a factory farm sows cannot do this and instead are moved to a new stall called a farrowing crate where she will give birth and attempt to care for her young.
Farrowing Crates
Over 70 percent of all sows are confined to these crates for the birth of their young and will stay there for up to 6 weeks before being impregnated again and returned to a sow stall.
Farmers justify the use of farrowing crates by arguing that the piglets would be crushed to death by their mother if she was not confined. Piglets are generally only crushed under farm situations and in farrowing crates around 25 percent of piglets are crushed by their mothers. When sows are not confined to a small pen or crate they would normally perform a regular behaviour sequence when sitting and lying down to help minimise the chance of piglet crushing.
By day 3 the piglets are commonly subjected to surgical procedures with out anaesthetic. These procedures include tail clipping, ear notching, tooth clipping and castration. Pigs have a complex brain and series of pain receptors. Experts say that it is likely that the feeling of pain experienced by these piglets would be similar to that which humans would experience.
Piglets become stressed under farm situations and this can lead to tail biting. Rather than removing the cause of the problem farmers instead choose to remove part of the piglets’ tail. Pigs use their tail for communication and such usage is considerably impaired by this procedure.
Ear notching means a piglets ear is essentially hole punched for identification purposes.
The teeth of piglets are usually shortened in order to avoid damage to the mother’s udder and to the other piglets. Such damage often does not occur or is very minor. Shortening of the point teeth is usually carried out by clipping half of their initial length.
Castration is carried out on all male piglets that are not going to be retained for breeding. The principal purpose of this procedure is to prevent ‘boar taint’ in the flesh of older male pigs.
Fattening Pens
In the wild piglets would be weaned at about 17 weeks of age but would remain with their mothers herd until they are at least 7 months old. On a factory farm the piglets are taken from their mothers at about 4 weeks old and placed in fattening pens or retained for breeding and sow ‘replacement’ purposes.
In a typical farm set up several hundred piglets from different litters are placed in a series of small pens in a dark concrete floored shed. The conditions are overcrowded and filthy. Like the boars and gilts, the piglets will quickly end up covered in their own excrement.
Pigs are very social and inquisitive animals with a complex brain. In a natural setting these piglets would be playing and learning by exploring their large home range with their mother and siblings. In these sheds piglets cannot do these things easily; this often leads to aggression and overeating.
Slaughter
By the age of only 5 months these
piglets are loaded on to trucks and transported to a slaughter house to be turned in to products for human consumption.
In 2005 over 750,000 pigs were slaughtered for their flesh.
At the slaughter house the piglets are unloaded and herded up shoots where they are stunned by a captive bolt pistol. Pigs have very thick skulls and this stunning does not always work.
Pigs are hoisted up by one leg on a conveyor belt. They then have their throats slit; some pigs will be fully conscious through this whole process.
The pigs then get submerged in a bath of boiling hot water to remove any hairs. Again studies have shown that some pigs will be fully conscious as they are scolded alive.
Pigs are not the only animal treated like this in New Zealand. Battery Hens, broiler hens, turkeys and ducks are all kept in similar conditions on factory farms where they too are treated like profit rather than living, breathing individuals who are capable of feeling pain, happiness and forming long lasting bonds with other animals.
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Wow this is really disturbing. I thought we would ha tove moved past this by now. Did they atleast try to setup up adoption or sell the dogs? Im sure there are some families that would think a sled dog would be a cool pet.
If they really just went out and killed these dogs...well, I hope protesters/acitivism groups can shut down a business. The lives of 100 dogs> a slightly nicer car for a few of the employees
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i think the company should have just kept the dogs and went bankrupt. that seams better
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On February 01 2011 11:13 MapleFractal wrote:If the owners couldn't find home's for the animals I believe it would have been moral to have the animals put down. However the manner in which this was handled is disgusting, just another fine example of man's willingness to sacrifice moral ground to maximize profits. $100 to be a decent human being or $1 for a bullet. Oh well, its Canada killing dogs like that is a worse offense then selling weed. They will most likely get hit pretty hard in court. Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:12 Deadlyhazard wrote:On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote:
They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned. You're terrible . Humans are just animals too you know...
No , human's are not animal's. Animals are driven by instinct not emotions that you or I experience. We have the capability to be driven by instinct but one a whole were are different.
....We're animals. Animals do have emotion on our level, especially in regards to pain and sadness.
The one thing we have over other animals that distinguishes our species is the frontal lobe of our brain. This allows higher functioning -- think calculus. Other than that we're VERY similar to other animals, considering that they've evolved with us as time has gone on. We're still animals anyway you slice it.
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Osaka27089 Posts
Sounds like when people were upset with the dolphin or seal or whale hunts. Animals are animals. We do terrible things to 100's of species every day. Just because one is "cute" shouldn't make it more of a crime.
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That is fucking disgusting. Give the fucking dogs away, use some fucking common sense. I'm beginning to realise how disgusting the world actually is. I mean they are dogs and aren't considered the same as humans but still, that doesn't mean slaughtering them is ok. I'm gonna go give my dogs a hug now.
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