EPT100 Sled Dogs killed in Whistler after Olympics - Page 18
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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Alexhandr
United States218 Posts
On February 05 2011 06:46 Raeleigh wrote: This is honest to god so incredibly disgusting. I live in Vancouver and if I had known that they DID have these dogs.. I would not have been able to give a home to them all(how I wish I could), I would have done a lot more than sit on my ass last April and play video games. If the company had seen little use for them, instead of letting their lives go to waste, and generally wasting the money they invested into them, they could have spent a little longer trying to sell them for a decent price. People would have loved to have these dogs. It is honestly so heartbreaking to hear something like this. I have a puppy and 3 cats, and if ANYONE ever did something like this to them, I would honestly hurt them. I wouldn't care about the consequences. How can you hurt something so innocent and pure? Something that probably hasn't been taught to defend itself. I need to go home and cuddle with my puppy. ;__; You're disgusting. .__. I need to go home and cuddle with my cats too. ;__; -Hugs- I need to cuddle with my last remaining doggie.  All my other ones died last year. ;( | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On February 05 2011 07:02 bLuR wrote: this is embarrassing. shows how many people in the world lack intelligence I think the word you're looking for is "compassion" or "empathy". You can be perfectly intelligent and devoid of a moral compass at the same time. | ||
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Toxi78
966 Posts
On February 01 2011 11:06 Eric9 wrote: How can you sleep at night? Humanity dictates that we all have compassion for other living things. You must be sick in the head or worse.. Christian. User was temp banned for this post. i agree with him and i see no reason to ban him. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On February 05 2011 07:09 Toxi78 wrote: i agree with him and i see no reason to ban him. He got banned about his unnecessary quip about Christians, not because of his belief in compassion. | ||
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braammbolius
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Raeleigh
Canada902 Posts
On February 05 2011 07:02 Alexhandr wrote: -Hugs- I need to cuddle with my last remaining doggie. All my other ones died last year. ;(/super hug. I understand people's point that the dogs belonged to someone else, and they could do whatever they please with them.. But you're so lacking in compassion to be able to say something like this. It's like saying, "Hey, you've got a girlfriend? Well, she's yours, you can do whatever the fck you want to her." Yeah, okay, sure. It doesn't make sense then and it doesn't make sense with dogs, either. They can't communicate the same way you and I can, but they feel and they get scared too. They hurt. T____T Breaks my heart more to think about it ;______________; On February 05 2011 07:12 braammbolius wrote: The sled hound is the perfect mix between cute and menacing The eyes are so beautiful *__* Menacing it cute! T__T ♥ .... sometimes! T___T | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On February 05 2011 07:24 stroggos wrote: people seem to get more distraught over 100 dogs being killed than 100 humans, in the news. Would anyone be able to explain why this is? As far as i know the only type of person who should have more empathy for animals than humans would be a sociopath There are many, many strange things in this world that you just have to accept. I mean we've pretty much stopped caring about Afghanistan and Iraq even though people are getting killed there every day. The riots in Thailand were pushed out of the media in favor of the Egyptian ones. Remember that the media is there as a profit engine (for the most part), so stories with a big "boom" generate the most viewership, not the ones that cause many small ripples. | ||
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Raeleigh
Canada902 Posts
On February 05 2011 07:24 stroggos wrote: people seem to get more distraught over 100 dogs being killed than 100 humans, in the news. Would anyone be able to explain why this is? As far as i know the only type of person who should have more empathy for animals than humans would be a sociopath Well, looking up what qualities/attributes/personality traits really determine a sociopath, I can say that 1, maybe 2, of these points I really could say "Well, yeah, that's me." But so many people in the world could look at the list and say the same thing. 1 or 2 might match, but.. -shrug- On February 05 2011 07:30 Mystlord wrote: There are many, many strange things in this world that you just have to accept. I mean we've pretty much stopped caring about Afghanistan and Iraq even though people are getting killed there every day. The riots in Thailand were pushed out of the media in favor of the Egyptian ones. Remember that the media is there as a profit engine (for the most part), so stories with a big "boom" generate the most viewership, not the ones that cause many small ripples. I think what Mystlord says is partially true. In a way, I think animal cruelty, in some people's minds, almost seems more terrible than human cruelty. I will admit that in some aspects, I find animal cruelty is be worse, but the more I weight them in my mind(like right now, trying to write this) I can't really put a light on which I find to be worse now. x_x | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On February 05 2011 07:30 Mystlord wrote: There are many, many strange things in this world that you just have to accept. I mean we've pretty much stopped caring about Afghanistan and Iraq even though people are getting killed there every day. The riots in Thailand were pushed out of the media in favor of the Egyptian ones. Remember that the media is there as a profit engine (for the most part), so stories with a big "boom" generate the most viewership, not the ones that cause many small ripples. yes perhaps it is the combined fact the news reports human death all the time and that we don't notice it changing our lives, which makes it seem unimportant. Or maybe its because dogs are fluffy and cute. | ||
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Raeleigh
Canada902 Posts
On February 05 2011 07:43 stroggos wrote: yes perhaps it is the combined fact the news reports human death all the time and that we don't notice it changing our lives, which makes it seem unimportant. Or maybe its because dogs are fluffy and cute. I will admit that I am guilty of this one. =( | ||
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dkim
United States255 Posts
On February 05 2011 07:24 stroggos wrote: people seem to get more distraught over 100 dogs being killed than 100 humans, in the news. Would anyone be able to explain why this is? As far as i know the only type of person who should have more empathy for animals than humans would be a sociopath how is this scenario anything like what you describe? this isn't about making a choice deadlocked with picking who gets to survive out of humans and animals. this is about killing off dogs that have outlived their usefulness for sake of cutting costs in running a business. how could this ever be ok? | ||
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Also: anyone with brains would see that this is a PR nightmare if it got out, and stuff like this always gets out. Without having done my homework, i would assume they considered adoption first and none of the organizations wanted to accept 100 dogs all of a sudden. So i can see how they might reach this conclusion, but thats just horrible. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
I see no reason to destroy a human's life for a sad yet different perspective on animals. If the reason is deterrence for future actions, then a huge fine in lines of 250,000 would probably suffice. If it is because the man is mentally deranged and this is how he releases his craziness, then help other than prison would be ideal. But if it is merely a calculated business decision based on a differing perspective on animals, just fine the business a huge unforgettable sum of money and move on. For those of you who will probably not fully understand where I am coming from... just think of it like this. For those of us who do not value the life of animals so highly, it is like how those who do not see embryos/fetuses as human babies do not oppose abortion (although they probably still do not 100% like it) versus the ones who do. Or course the ones who see either the dogs or fetuses as extremely value will think the ones who killed them to be monsters and must be prosecuted as murderers, but just understand those who do not share those same ideas are probably just normal people doing what they think should be correct: protect the quality of lives of the current humans right now. So really, its not as "unthinkable" as many here seem to put it. | ||
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Raeleigh
Canada902 Posts
But when it comes to something like abortion, I am not against it. I feel it is necessary at times, and definitely not something to be against. -shrug- The way I was brought up to think though was different than a lot of my friends, and when I entered Elementary School, then High School, I was taken out of class for Aboriginal classes because I was half cree. I learned about a lot of different things, and I was intrigued to learn more on my own. x_x In any case, I learned to respect the life of an animal almost more than the life of a human being. Animals give more than humans do. :< But that's just me personally. That's why I feel the way I do. O_O | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Raeleigh
Canada902 Posts
On February 05 2011 08:31 Klogon wrote: And honestly I really respect that sort of opinion because if everybody kind of lived in a way that respect all life, I think the world would be a much better place. But I don't see the justice in punishing people so severely right now in our current culture and philosophy because I think a lot of well-meaning and responsible civilians will have their lives absolutely ruined while being ignorant of the whole situation. I see where you're coming from, for sure. Do you remember when that video of that cat being hurt in the shower was floating around the internet? I can't remember it's name, but it tore my heart to pieces to watch it. I also remember, and you might as well, how angry people were. Many comments like, "He deserves to have that done to him!" and along those lines. I agreed, it was angering, and I would have loved to see that boy(because he was only about 15 I believe when he did it) in as much pain at the poor cat, but in reality, you cannot wish the same outcome to happen to the person who originally did it. It's like, death is not the right punishment for murder. You're doing the same as them, only in a way that makes it "okay." So as much as I would like to see the guy who did the things he did to the poor dogs, I agree something like a fine would be more reasonable. Maybe community service. I'd even go a bit farther to say I'd like to see a 3 month sentence, and a slightly less fine. But I guess, with animals right now, the way the world is, you can't make strict rules about what happens. Such a fuzzy area. x_x | ||
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Tony Campolo
New Zealand364 Posts
On February 03 2011 15:56 BlackJack wrote: The link seemed like he was more interesting in proving that humans weren't carnivores than proving that humans weren't omnivores. He added a table that compared humans to herbivores and carnivores, why would he exclude omnivores from this comparison? Maybe because when the only comparisons are carnivores and herbivores and people read the chart and see that we have a lot more in common with herbivores than with carnivores they think "oh we must be herbivores then!" But I will concede. We are not omnivores. We are herbivores that eat meat as well. Also, humans aren't monkeys or chimps. The fact that monkeys don't eat cattle isn't evidence that humans shouldn't eat cattle. Monkeys also don't eat apple pie or pasta. If you want to determine what a human's diet should be based on what other animals eat than humans probably shouldn't cook their food since other animals don't seem too fond of that... As they said in the Social Network.. If you guys were the inventors of facebook then you would've invented facebook.. well if humans were meant to be herbivores then humans would be herbivores. You'll find that vegans don't actually often use 'other animals do it so I should do what other animals are doing' - in fact, it's the meat-eaters who use this argument (e.g. lions eat meat, so why shouldn't I). All the author was doing was disproving that fact. Most vegans don't eat meat for ethical reasons - not 'naturalistic' reasons. Some for health, some for environmental, but most for animal rights reasons. If you aren't able to see that then you just lack sympathy and empathy for the plight of pretty much 99% of the world's animals that are produced for meat in torturous conditions. You mean trillions.. every single day. One cow could supply you with a nice steak or a burger once or a twice a week for maybe your entire life. This is a price too high for vegans to pay but I will bet you money that almost every single one of them will run over at least 1 animal with their car at some point in their life.. Lol btw even if there was a cow raised free and it had a great long life and it died of natural causes and it was determined the meat was safe to eat.. then vegans most likely still wouldn't eat it. They probably wouldn't have a problem with someone else eating it.. but I doubt they would eat it themselves even if they knew the meat would be wasted. So what if a vegan has run over an animal, or inadvertently killed an animal at some point in their lives? Most vegans come from a meat-eating background. How does that somehow mean meat-eating is OK? If you had accidentally manslaughtered someone at some point in your life, that doesn't mean murder is OK. A vegan makes a conscious choice to refuse to eat meat as it is consumer demand that fuels an industry that tortures animals. Your second paragraph is simply a red herring - the chances of a steak coming from a cow that died of natural causes is unlikely - what a vegan is against is the mass murder industry that puts them on production lines and kills them. I would have no issue with eating a cow that died of natural causes. But I would have as much reason to do so as I would eating a human who died of natural causes. It is perfectly easy and healthy to live on a vegan diet. The truth is you're just trying to avoid the point that most meat comes from factory farms and you're justifying your eating of meat and disregarding the torture the animal goes through by throwing out red herring arguments such as saying a vegan has probably run over an animal, or that in nature there are carnivores, or that an animal has died from natural causes. These arguments hardly justify the horrific practices of the meat industry and it's quite pathetic that you have no issue supporting such an industry yet cry outrage at the deaths of these dogs who have died in similar conditions (albeit less horrific, as factory farms and slaughterhouses cause a lot more pain than these dogs' relatively quicker deaths). | ||
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PhorClayton
United States198 Posts
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