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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
“What is extremely upsetting is to read what he described - some of them requiring mulitple shots, his having to slit their throats, dogs faces being blown off and they were still running around, dogs that he thought had been dead, that he put in what he described as a mass grave and he looks back and sees her trying to climb out,” ^^^ That is absolutely uncalled for and terrible, no matter what you're doing it to. I hope someone pays dearly for this. | ||
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Almin
United States583 Posts
On February 02 2011 15:03 On_Slaught wrote: How did I miss this thread. Really sad article. I understand why they did it but the process in which they did is pretty absurd. “What is extremely upsetting is to read what he described - some of them requiring mulitple shots, his having to slit their throats, dogs faces being blown off and they were still running around, dogs that he thought had been dead, that he put in what he described as a mass grave and he looks back and sees her trying to climb out,” ^^^ That is absolutely uncalled for and terrible, no matter what you're doing it to. I hope someone pays dearly for this. Yes, a 100$ fine most likely :| Animals are no near as valuable as humans are apparently. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Animals are no near as valuable as humans are apparently. Welcome to the world! | ||
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On February 02 2011 14:49 Tony Campolo wrote: Here's the part with fish: To be honest it doesn't go into depth and focuses on the environmental reasons rather than the fact that fish also have pain receptors. A lot better than The Cove though. I'm fine with that. I've killed fish before. | ||
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Tony Campolo
New Zealand364 Posts
On February 02 2011 15:25 evanthebouncy! wrote: I'm fine with that. I've killed fish before. So you're fine with fish feeling pain, but not fine with dogs feeling pain. | ||
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Pandonetho
Canada321 Posts
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DenSkumle
Norway108 Posts
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
On February 02 2011 16:37 DenSkumle wrote: That is really disturbing my friend, to value the life of animal over a human beings. i could have killed the dog killer and walk away with a smile.. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On February 02 2011 16:54 TL_Awesome wrote: That is really disturbing my friend, to value the life of animal over a human beings. You'd be surprised how common this is. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
Although i do feel that sometimes people value the lives of animals more than humans. I'd kill 1000 dogs if it meant saving 1 human life. It's strange how much people value animal life. Animals kill eachother aswell, you wanna punish that? It's just the way life is. That being said, at least kill the dogs in a humane way. Seems really messed up do kill them like this. | ||
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couches
618 Posts
I understand the majority of the frustration is in how poorly they were neutralized. And I doubt any human could keep their composure after neutralizing a few of them. Which would explain his poor performance with the job. My main confusion is in why this employee didn't just quit. It's also easy to sit back and point fingers and talk about how disgusted this makes you feel. But how many have actually done proactive things in their own community related to rescuing animals? I adopted a retired greyhound. wbu? What makes me sick more is the armchair/internet self-righteousness that happens in the article comments when this kind of news hits. People playing the demonizing game when they've never done anything proactive for this cause that makes them so disgusted. It only disgusts you when it's shoved in your face. In a week you'll forget, so it's ok. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On February 03 2011 01:19 couches wrote: I would be more interested to hear if they actually tried to give the dogs away. Their neutralization seems like a last resort. With business already being horrible I doubt they could afford to keep them. And what animal rescue shelter in the area has the capacity and resources to take in a freakin hundred large dogs? Even giving them away to families or whatnot would still not be practical because that takes a lot of time. They would still have to feed/house the dogs until homes are found for all of them. Expensive. I understand the majority of the frustration is in how poorly they were neutralized. And I doubt any human could keep their composure after neutralizing a few of them. Which would explain his poor performance with the job. My main confusion is in why this employee didn't just quit. It's also easy to sit back and point fingers and talk about how disgusted this makes you feel. But how many have actually done proactive things in their own community related to rescuing animals? I adopted a retired greyhound. wbu? What makes me sick more is the armchair/internet self-righteousness that happens in the article comments when this kind of news hits. People playing the demonizing game when they've never done anything proactive for this cause that makes them so disgusted. It only disgusts you when it's shoved in your face. In a week you'll forget, so it's ok. I'm not allowed to have an opinion unless I do something about it? OK! Impractical, but OK! | ||
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dingoman
Canada12 Posts
On February 03 2011 06:00 Ownos wrote: I'm not allowed to have an opinion unless I do something about it? OK! Impractical, but OK! That's used to reveal hypocrites. A lot of people on this thread claim that they value animal welfare. Yet, a lot of them won't sacrifice their own welfare to improve animal welfare. You can have an opinion but it's just not credible. It's the same as dollar store customers writing to the government to ban imports from China. On February 02 2011 00:38 Blasterion wrote: 100 alive sled dogs are more valuable than 100 dead ones, they made a rather irrational decision. I don't think they can afford to feed and care for 100 sled dogs. I'm sure if people were willing to donate money then they could've done that. Letting them go free would've probably resulted in their death anyway so they didn't have any alternatives. I don't understand why anyone didn't point out that those dogs were slaves. People think it's cute for dogs to be running around for humans' pleasure. I don't get why it's okay to enslave dogs but suddenly people get outraged when dogs get killed. I'd rather have them not enslaved in the first place. | ||
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Tony Campolo
New Zealand364 Posts
On February 03 2011 11:26 dingoman wrote: That's used to reveal hypocrites. A lot of people on this thread claim that they value animal welfare. Yet, a lot of them won't sacrifice their own welfare to improve animal welfare. You can have an opinion but it's just not credible. It's the same as dollar store customers writing to the government to ban imports from China. I don't think they can afford to feed and care for 100 sled dogs. I'm sure if people were willing to donate money then they could've done that. Letting them go free would've probably resulted in their death anyway so they didn't have any alternatives. I don't understand why anyone didn't point out that those dogs were slaves. People think it's cute for dogs to be running around for humans' pleasure. I don't get why it's okay to enslave dogs but suddenly people get outraged when dogs get killed. I'd rather have them not enslaved in the first place. I care about animal welfare (or more appropriately, animal 'rights') and spent a large part of 2009 and early 2010 volunteering for an animal rights group. The issue is not what to do with them after using them - but rather not using animals for our entertainment in the first place. I've posted clips from Earthlings above - see part 7 of the documentary, which covers the use of animals in sporting, zoos and circuses. It's a lot more horrific than meets the eye. You'd be surprised at how cruel and unethical the racing industry is too, which is what these dogs were used for. Watch the documentary - I'd post the YouTube link here but I can't access YouTube here at work. It's almost as bad as the meat processing clips I posted above. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On February 02 2011 15:37 Tony Campolo wrote: So you're fine with fish feeling pain, but not fine with dogs feeling pain. Sure. You understand that to kill a thing I feel pain too, it pains me less to kill a fish, i.e. I can kill it w/o feeling too sad. So yes that's fine. | ||
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Tony Campolo
New Zealand364 Posts
On February 03 2011 12:12 evanthebouncy! wrote: Sure. You understand that to kill a thing I feel pain too, it pains me less to kill a fish, i.e. I can kill it w/o feeling too sad. So yes that's fine. Probably because you can't empathise with it. Likewise the owner who ordered the dogs be slaughtered also failed to empathise with the pain of the dogs. You understand that to kill another human they feel pain too, but it pained them less to kill the dogs, so they were able to order the killing without feeling too sad, therefore it was fine. A recent blog post: I remember years ago in Papua New Guinea, being out on some super $$$ game fishing launch with a bunch of Aussies. I was there because it was beautiful being out on the water, but they were there to catch marlin and sailfish. They caught one too. And lots of beers were drunk in disgusting celebration. I was really upset, which was totally pointless and useless. But they hadn’t killed it because they needed to eat. They had killed it for fun! Go figure! Some years before that, I had been out night fishing (this was before my ecological concerns were fully formed) with some Chinese friends who were hell fisherman. I got the biggie though. It was something massive. We turned the boat’s floodlights into the water but could see nothing. I couldn’t pull whatever it was up, because it was so big, so the guys all gathered around and pulled and pulled too. And some of these were really big, mixed-race hunks. They were blown away by my catch. The whole boat was in awe as to what the hell this thing could be. As we hauled away, something deep down came into view. We hauled more and it loomed immense in the farther reaches of the floodlights. Then, as we strained, we got it into view. A whale? Nope. Giant shark? No Sea monster? Uh-uh. It broke the surface and we could see it was a ray. A giant ray. And it had had its “wings” out horizontally, during the haul to the surface, which is why it had seemed so gargantuan. So there it was, on the surface, a big hook in its mouth. We looked at it. And I looked at the guys. What do we do with a giant ray? Easy. One of them pulled out a knife, cut the fishing line, and set the creature free to swim away. But with a very damaged mouth and probably highly traumatised. I have wondered ever since if it survived. People seem to assume that fish are swimming vegetables and insensitive to pain, but the latest research shows otherwise. Dr Donald Broom, scientific adviser to the British government, explains, “The scientific literature is quite clear. Anatomically, physiologically and biologically, the pain system in fish is virtually the same as in birds and mammals”. And in 2003, scientists at the University of Edinburgh concluded that fish clearly experience pain in the same way as mammals, both physically and psychologically. Like “higher vertebrates”, they have neurotransmitters which relieve suffering and the only reason for a nervous system to produce painkillers is to relieve pain. Claiming that fish do not suffer is as intellectually and scientifically sound as arguing that the Earth is flat. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On February 03 2011 12:44 iloveHieu wrote: So sad, the human race's brutality towards other animals is really pissing me off. As opposed to all the other omnivores/carnivores on the planet? Ever seen a sheep get eaten by wolves? | ||
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Almin
United States583 Posts
On February 03 2011 13:40 BlackJack wrote: As opposed to all the other omnivores/carnivores on the planet? Ever seen a sheep get eaten by wolves? Do they torture them for years? Pump them full of toxic stuff, make them stay in one place to constantly breed, and not gain any muscle, and not have any sunlight? There's a difference between animals eating animals and us eating animals by torturing them in the extremely long process. | ||
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