On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
What will happen to the animals that will overbreed with no natural predators since humans have eliminated them everywhere, kill them? Oh wait....back where we started.
Once again more ignorance. Pretty much all livestock is aritificially bred to meet consumer demand. They wouldn't exist if not for farmers destroying forests in order to farm beef to gratify excess junk food outlets like McDonalds. Cows that live a natural lifespan of around 25 years end up dying prematurely at 10 because they are artificially inseminated to have repeated pregnancies in order to produce milk and meat. Most are slaughtered at seven years of age once their bodies tire out and are no longer commercial viable.
On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
What will happen to the animals that will overbreed with no natural predators since humans have eliminated them everywhere, kill them? Oh wait....back where we started.
Once again more ignorance. Pretty much all livestock is aritificially bred to meet consumer demand. They wouldn't exist if not for farmers destroying forests in order to farm beef to gratify excess junk food outlets like McDonalds. Cows that live a natural lifespan of around 25 years end up dying prematurely at 10 because they are artificially inseminated to have repeated pregnancies in order to produce milk and meat. Most are slaughtered at seven years of age once their bodies tire out and are no longer commercial viable.
I was refering to natural animals such as bears and deer in North America.
On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
What will happen to the animals that will overbreed with no natural predators since humans have eliminated them everywhere, kill them? Oh wait....back where we started.
Once again more ignorance. Pretty much all livestock is aritificially bred to meet consumer demand. They wouldn't exist if not for farmers destroying forests in order to farm beef to gratify excess junk food outlets like McDonalds. Cows that live a natural lifespan of around 25 years end up dying prematurely at 10 because they are artificially inseminated to have repeated pregnancies in order to produce milk and meat. Most are slaughtered at seven years of age once their bodies tire out and are no longer commercial viable.
I was refering to natural animals such as bears and deer in North America.
Sure, OK, so let's make an exception for them and say their death's are OK. What about cows, pigs, and chickens then? If you were angered by the dogs' needless deaths, then to be consistent you should also be angered at the deaths of the cows, pigs and chickens. Have a look at let me know what you think of this clip:
On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
What will happen to the animals that will overbreed with no natural predators since humans have eliminated them everywhere, kill them? Oh wait....back where we started.
Once again more ignorance. Pretty much all livestock is aritificially bred to meet consumer demand. They wouldn't exist if not for farmers destroying forests in order to farm beef to gratify excess junk food outlets like McDonalds. Cows that live a natural lifespan of around 25 years end up dying prematurely at 10 because they are artificially inseminated to have repeated pregnancies in order to produce milk and meat. Most are slaughtered at seven years of age once their bodies tire out and are no longer commercial viable.
I was refering to natural animals such as bears and deer in North America.
Sure, OK, so let's make an exception for them and say their death's are OK. What about cows, pigs, and chickens then? If you were angered by the dogs' needless deaths, then to be consistent you should also be angered at the deaths of the cows, pigs and chickens. Have a look at let me know what you think of this clip:
On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
What will happen to the animals that will overbreed with no natural predators since humans have eliminated them everywhere, kill them? Oh wait....back where we started.
Once again more ignorance. Pretty much all livestock is aritificially bred to meet consumer demand. They wouldn't exist if not for farmers destroying forests in order to farm beef to gratify excess junk food outlets like McDonalds. Cows that live a natural lifespan of around 25 years end up dying prematurely at 10 because they are artificially inseminated to have repeated pregnancies in order to produce milk and meat. Most are slaughtered at seven years of age once their bodies tire out and are no longer commercial viable.
I was refering to natural animals such as bears and deer in North America.
Sure, OK, so let's make an exception for them and say their death's are OK. What about cows, pigs, and chickens then? If you were angered by the dogs' needless deaths, then to be consistent you should also be angered at the deaths of the cows, pigs and chickens. Have a look at let me know what you think of this clip:
On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
Yeah, the affordability argument is total bullshit. Most people I confront about it just don't want to give up the taste, which, of course, is no excuse, so they'll oftentimes suppress their guilt with statements they aren't really committed to, such as, "animals don't have feelings," or, "who cares if they suffer or not?" I think most people are sympathetic towards animals, but they're just too uncomfortable going vegan. It's not that hard, guys!
Actually, it's very hard. I like my meat man, it tastes damn GOOD and that's reason enough honestly.
On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
What will happen to the animals that will overbreed with no natural predators since humans have eliminated them everywhere, kill them? Oh wait....back where we started.
Once again more ignorance. Pretty much all livestock is aritificially bred to meet consumer demand. They wouldn't exist if not for farmers destroying forests in order to farm beef to gratify excess junk food outlets like McDonalds. Cows that live a natural lifespan of around 25 years end up dying prematurely at 10 because they are artificially inseminated to have repeated pregnancies in order to produce milk and meat. Most are slaughtered at seven years of age once their bodies tire out and are no longer commercial viable.
I was refering to natural animals such as bears and deer in North America.
Sure, OK, so let's make an exception for them and say their death's are OK. What about cows, pigs, and chickens then? If you were angered by the dogs' needless deaths, then to be consistent you should also be angered at the deaths of the cows, pigs and chickens. Have a look at let me know what you think of this clip:
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
fine. does the same go for our kids? they're ours. why can't we do what we want with them? some might say they're even more ours because we created them ourselves. retard
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also I heard that this guy has post traumatic stress now. i dont think its possible to have a conscience and be able to do this.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
fine. does the same go for our kids? they're ours. why can't we do what we want with them? some might say they're even more ours because we created them ourselves. retard
/facepalm just because someone considers animals as property doesnt mean they also consider children as property.
On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
What will happen to the animals that will overbreed with no natural predators since humans have eliminated them everywhere, kill them? Oh wait....back where we started.
Once again more ignorance. Pretty much all livestock is aritificially bred to meet consumer demand. They wouldn't exist if not for farmers destroying forests in order to farm beef to gratify excess junk food outlets like McDonalds. Cows that live a natural lifespan of around 25 years end up dying prematurely at 10 because they are artificially inseminated to have repeated pregnancies in order to produce milk and meat. Most are slaughtered at seven years of age once their bodies tire out and are no longer commercial viable.
I was refering to natural animals such as bears and deer in North America.
Sure, OK, so let's make an exception for them and say their death's are OK. What about cows, pigs, and chickens then? If you were angered by the dogs' needless deaths, then to be consistent you should also be angered at the deaths of the cows, pigs and chickens. Have a look at let me know what you think of this clip:
On February 02 2011 11:27 Tony Campolo wrote: Most people are just too lazy poor to switch to vegan diets.
Not true. To put it simply - replace meat with various beans/nuts. They're around the same price and offer the same nutrients.
What will happen to the animals that will overbreed with no natural predators since humans have eliminated them everywhere, kill them? Oh wait....back where we started.
Once again more ignorance. Pretty much all livestock is aritificially bred to meet consumer demand. They wouldn't exist if not for farmers destroying forests in order to farm beef to gratify excess junk food outlets like McDonalds. Cows that live a natural lifespan of around 25 years end up dying prematurely at 10 because they are artificially inseminated to have repeated pregnancies in order to produce milk and meat. Most are slaughtered at seven years of age once their bodies tire out and are no longer commercial viable.
I was refering to natural animals such as bears and deer in North America.
Sure, OK, so let's make an exception for them and say their death's are OK. What about cows, pigs, and chickens then? If you were angered by the dogs' needless deaths, then to be consistent you should also be angered at the deaths of the cows, pigs and chickens. Have a look at let me know what you think of this clip:
On February 02 2011 13:56 evanthebouncy! wrote: Eh... Chinese people still eat dogs so I dunno what to say on this subject...
How can you compare eating and torturing?
I mean... it isn't like they purposely kept the dogs alive and to cause them pain right? iirc culling is just to kill them. And I'm sure the method of killing if u were to eat them is similar...
That's so terrible. I just went sled dogging for the first time this winter and those dogs are the happiest things in the world, they love doing what they do.
As far as meat in general goes, I think if you can't pick out an animal and kill it yourself or at least watch someone slaughter it, you shouldn't be eating it.
On February 02 2011 14:27 pinke wrote: As far as meat in general goes, I think if you can't pick out an animal and kill it yourself or at least watch someone slaughter it, you shouldn't be eating it.
Yeah I totally agree with this actually... But if it's to actually killing it I am only qualified to eat fish and crab and aquatic things... Watching that video made me really sad
On February 02 2011 14:27 pinke wrote: As far as meat in general goes, I think if you can't pick out an animal and kill it yourself or at least watch someone slaughter it, you shouldn't be eating it.
Yeah I totally agree with this actually... But if it's to actually killing it I am only qualified to eat fish and crab and aquatic things... Watching that video made me really sad
Here's the part with fish:
To be honest it doesn't go into depth and focuses on the environmental reasons rather than the fact that fish also have pain receptors. A lot better than The Cove though.
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