EPTOn January 29 2011 13:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
-_-; seriously?
-_-; seriously?
ik right :l
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Kenpachi
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Mr. Wiggles
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On January 29 2011 13:00 Nemesis wrote: Something to note is that is that mr.wiggles suddenly changed his vote from abstaining to me when RoL was in danger of being lynched. Looking back at his post, he hasn't made any mentions of being suspicious of me. The only reason I can think of for his last minute change of vote is to save RoL. So if RoL flips scum, I would take a good look at this guy. His post are mostly fluff and he doesn't really take a position on anything. I suggest Mr. Wiggles for dt check/vigi hit. I wasn't abstaining. I voted myself as a placeholder, as I wasn't sure if I was going to be home today after school or not. I made my intentions clear that I was going to change my vote before the lynch, but wasn't going to change it two minutes before the deadline when I got to my comp after dinner, 11:00KST, as I thought it was. Then people continued voting, and I figured that the voting deadline was extended. The choice for me was between you and Mr. Zergling, and it seemed Mr. Zergling was going to be modkilled, as he was. So my vote landed on you. To be honest, I wasn't getting scum vibes from RoL, and I know he's capable of good scum-hunting from my other game with him. You, however, I am unfamiliar with, and your posts in defense of yourself did not do much to convince me of your innocence. As such, I considered you to be the better candidate for my vote tonight. Sorry if the timing of it was after some other votes switched around, but that was my intention since the original deadline I thought I barely had time for, or else it would have happened 30 minutes earlier. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 29 2011 13:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: -_-; seriously? Seems to be a recurring theme with you, WTF is with the modkills. This shit ain't that hard.  | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Mr. Zergling had some pretty strong clues though. I'm expecting a lot of people to start coming forward with the "Oh yeah RoL scum for sure" when we are bound to find out. By the way nemesis, my analysis of you was specifically saying you were SK and not mafia. I dont hope too hard with clues, and my analysis may be off, as you cant pin SK early without more information. but i am fairly certain nemesis is not mafia. HE IS AN SK or town. | ||
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Mr.Zergling
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Kavdragon
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
It's very likely we just lost a bunch of townies. Please hit mafia SK? | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:00 Eti307 wrote: Sure the game is about analyzing, but before the first kills/night actions it's hard to actually analyse anything imo. There will be much more discussion to do once the first night is over On January 28 2011 23:24 Eti307 wrote: Sorry guys if I didn't post enough in the last 2days. A lot has been going on in rl and between work and that I didn't have the time to closely follow this thread. That said, I will be much more active this evening/weekend ^I'm really looking forward to some improvements. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 29 2011 15:35 Barundar wrote: Call me sceptic, but considering RoL would most likely be the godfather if mafia, I find it highly unlikly that we hit red when the votes where so close. It's very likely we just lost a bunch of townies. Please hit mafia SK? Can you phrase that first part again? I think you are saying RoL is the only likely mafia? Which I agree with, but you just worded it funny. But I'm not sure if it was a slip or not... | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On January 29 2011 16:29 bumatlarge wrote: Can you phrase that first part again? I think you are saying RoL is the only likely mafia? Which I agree with, but you just worded it funny. But I'm not sure if it was a slip or not... Why would I say he is the only likely mafia? I voted zergling. I'm saying mafia would have saved RoL if he was red. He would be way too valuable to lose to 1 vote. Therefore most likely we lynched town. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 29 2011 16:24 Barundar wrote: ^I'm really looking forward to some improvements. Ugh. Wonder how I missed this. Add him to my list of "Please Vig hit". | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Imagine if mafia hit someone from that list. Even if there are clues which pin points the mafia, that mafia could say he is vig. | ||
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LunarDestiny
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Barundar
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Kavdragon
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Don't come claiming, unless of course, you are mafia. In that case, please, by all means, claim mafia to us. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 29 2011 17:04 LunarDestiny wrote: To follow up, if you want a hit list. That list should be containing only one person who many agrees that the person is mafia and should be hit. This way, it limits bullshit vig claim and also acts as a pseudo double lynch if that person is hit. Grr. I shouldn't try to respond when I'm tired, but here I go anyways, with part three of the response: I very much disagree with having vigs hit people who the town all thinks are scum. That makes it possible for the mafia to influence the decision. I say shoot lurkers with vig because it get rid of the mafia shield that is town bureaucracy. This pressures scum much more than a double lynch. Also, the town can't really discuss which lurker should be shot, cause by definision, there's very little to analyse. Lurkers are bad news for town discussion, so leave them to the vigs to take care of. Like I said, town can catch scum slips, but not if people aren't talking. If we can't catch a slip from the lurkers, chances are they won't get lynched. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
zerroth we got 1 or 2 replacements so lynching lurkers right off the bat isnt necessary This is like a foreshadow that he will be lurking in the game. He is a new player so he don't know who are the more experienced players. Since he posted this soon after the game started, it is impossible for his mafia buddies to post this (assuming he is mafia). He also understand that replacements are used to replace modkilled players, he must be reading the thread carefully. On January 24 2011 13:46 zerroth wrote: how can you consider who is very likely town when you are asking for only 3-4 volunteers. What if 6 volunteers show up and all of em are scum? Don't really understand the game at all (6 mafia volunteers). No decent player will say stuff like this. Yeah, those are the only analysable posts I can find. Also noted that his shares very similar profile pic as me. d3_crescentia Look at these post game comment from XXXV first: On January 19 2011 14:44 d3_crescentia wrote: So I spent much of this game lurking and not sticking my head above the water so the townies could go around in circles and lynch themselves. I'm not sure if this was the best way to play after losing 2 mafia, but since none of us mafia had any substantial town presence after Day 2 I didn't want to take unnecessary risks and draw too much attention. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure that if I had been town I would've called myself out for that kind of scummy play, so I'm really unsure as to how to deal with this in future games. What's the best approach in these situations? On January 19 2011 15:01 Ace wrote: Be a town presence early. But hey your best bet is to usually do whatever most of the town is doing. If majority want to lurk, then lurk. It's hard for the town to pick mafia out of inactive players. Let them lynch their active players and you NK the rest. Walla! Come up to LYLO and no one has a damn clue who's really Scum, and the only townies left are the ones who have 0 credibility so no one listens to them anyway. And now you see why Town, when they have them, really need their Vigilantes/Night KP roles to kill worthless players if they aren't certain of who Scum is. I think if the Town isn't going to get rid of their inactive players then you should let some of your Scum team lurk too. Remember you don't always have to stick your neck out and look for Scum - you already know who they are. Let the Town kill themselves if they want to play poorly. On January 21 2011 08:03 Ver wrote: Ace is right. You did absolutely fine. Remember your goal in the game is to win, not to look good for the spectators lol. It doesn't matter who catches what if they aren't in the game. As long as you don't get lynched and win in the end that minimalist approach is absolutely great. In a town like this you really don't need to do much else to win. 1/10 or whatever with their kp really says you guys were doing the right things. For example, when I look at the games I was mafia, I could catch myself very very quickly as it was really obvious. But that's irrelevant. Cause I didn't get lynched and we won. Now granted I spend so little time protecting myself since I'm putting it into analyzing, planning, and organizing the mafia team. Managing your time is an important mafia skill as well unless you are Pyrrhuloxia or Bill Murray. But the same principle still applies even if you are using that time to...not play mafia. Mafia doesn't need people overlapping in the same roles too much either. Why was already putting a good performance while staying away from any prying eyes. He could influence town policy enough if needed. All the rest of you had to do was stay back and let the town focus on the guiltier people. I am very certain that he read those comments since he just asked them before receiving comments from two big names. Both encouraged that he should continue his mafia play of staying out of trouble. On January 25 2011 09:11 d3_crescentia wrote: I'd vote for RoL if he didn't seem so lazy. Some good insight on the mayor role. I don't have a strong opinion of Kavdragon just yet, as his playstyle generally looks town. For the most part we need to ignore clues and focus on the people themselves. @darmousseh all those situations lead into a bunch of WIFOM. I'll be watching you for better posts. Only analysable post I found. If he is town, he is screwing town by not contributing. If he is mafia, then it falls in line with work he was encouraged to do as mafia. Also noted that he replaced Dr.H and post his "time to read the thread at page 25." That is a lot of reading for newer players. DarthTheinAn, an experience playerin XXXV, can't endure reading 42 pages and only stopped lurkering after being called out. Eti307 Total lurker. 2 failed promise-to-contribute posts here: LINK | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On January 29 2011 17:48 Kavdragon wrote: Grr. I shouldn't try to respond when I'm tired, but here I go anyways, with part three of the response: I very much disagree with having vigs hit people who the town all thinks are scum. That makes it possible for the mafia to influence the decision. I say shoot lurkers with vig because it get rid of the mafia shield that is town bureaucracy. This pressures scum much more than a double lynch. Also, the town can't really discuss which lurker should be shot, cause by definision, there's very little to analyse. Lurkers are bad news for town discussion, so leave them to the vigs to take care of. Like I said, town can catch scum slips, but not if people aren't talking. If we can't catch a slip from the lurkers, chances are they won't get lynched. I understand it kind of hard for town to come up with a good target without influence from mafia. But isn't it just like the lynch? I also agree vig should not claim before shooting because it means nothing. A mafia could as well claim before shooting but it will lure dt toward his way. Alternative suggestion is if a vig really want to claim, he should claim much before the night ends so dts have a chance to check that shooter. This will greatly discourage mafia to claim vig. Futhermore, if the vig shoot and we find good clues directing to you, you better have good reason why you shoot. Don't say stuff like: I RNG from that "hit list." | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
Skipping that - the RoL vote. I'm convinced he was town, but unfortunately we have no way to confirm that with 3 modkills. I'm willing to bet that the mafia are going to be likely to stick around for at least the first vote before dying to activity requirements. The people that immediately come under suspicion on that list are Beneather, kitaman27, Eti307. Not sure if I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Darmousseh right now either considering I think he has weak posting. I also happen to think that if we shoot Nemesis we should be able to start figuring things out on HIS vote list as well after night census. At this point in time we need as much information as we can get. | ||
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