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zerroth
we got 1 or 2 replacements so lynching lurkers right off the bat isnt necessary
hes basically encouraging everyone not to kill his scummy ass cause he knows hes gonna lurk
any new player gets mafia they instinctively go into super lurk mode.
its funny how he accidentally exposes himself in his ill fated attempt at self preservation.
also reminds me who i voted for
On January 29 2011 10:28 Coagulation wrote:
##unvote Nemesis
I want you everyone to Think long and hard about WHO REACTED to my vote on him and HOW they reacted.
##Vote zerroth
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On January 29 2011 10:41 CubEdIn wrote:What the fuck Coag? You can't act like you don't know this is extremely incriminating. So either you're: a) A really bad mafia player with Nemesis in their team b) A townie that feels like they don't wanna play anymore. You may do dumb things sometimes but I don't think you're dumb enough to be in case a). Which means that you're playing anti-town, which should be against the rules. Switching vote to someone who's gonna get mod-killed is just dumb, at least vote for yourself to show you're abstaining.
A really overly negative reaction to my vote change.
attacks my "mafia skills" and trys to berate my judgment in a indirect defense of his lurking scumbuddy.
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On January 30 2011 06:58 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all? I also agree vig should not claim before shooting because it means nothing. A mafia could as well claim before shooting but it will lure dt toward his way. Alternative suggestion is if a vig really want to claim, he should claim much before the night ends so dts have a chance to check that shooter. This will greatly discourage mafia to claim vig. I didn't say I agree vig should claim before shooting. I just said if vig wants to claim before shooting, he should claim ahead of time and should not claim to be shooting in the last hour.
What good does it do the town to have a vig claim after shooting? Sure a DT can check him, but we won't know the result unless he claims too, and there's no way to check him, and on and on. Not to mention that it's possible that we've lost the DT already.
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On January 30 2011 07:14 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 06:58 LunarDestiny wrote:On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all? I also agree vig should not claim before shooting because it means nothing. A mafia could as well claim before shooting but it will lure dt toward his way. Alternative suggestion is if a vig really want to claim, he should claim much before the night ends so dts have a chance to check that shooter. This will greatly discourage mafia to claim vig. I didn't say I agree vig should claim before shooting. I just said if vig wants to claim before shooting, he should claim ahead of time and should not claim to be shooting in the last hour. What good does it do the town to have a vig claim after shooting? Sure a DT can check him, but we won't know the result unless he claims too, and there's no way to check him, and on and on. Not to mention that it's possible that we've lost the DT already.
You are misunderstanding me. What I said are:
-I agree vig shouldn't claim before or after shooting.
-If vig really wish to claim because of some reason he has, he should not wait until the last minute before day to claim.
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I find it ridiculous that you don't take my illness seriously.
I find it ridiculous that I can't call people out for weak posting, but I guess if you want to lynch me/shoot me for weak posting you can actually then look at the people that actually didn't say jack about their votes at ALL after the census turns out, instead of one-liners like me. Given that your reads are usually incorrect, I'd say the probability that you're red is low, but not low enough for me to discount you.
WHY lynch RoL when he was likely town and the strongest player we have? Then again that's been the most ridiculous pattern of towns in general - lynch RoL, find out he's town and then get fucked in the ass. When he hasn't been town he's generally been less lazy, but whatever - this isn't about him. Speaking of patterns - it's been town pattern to let the other dude off after Day 1 lynch and not pay attention to him until late game again. Happened with brocket last game; would've happened with Annul on Day 2 if there was no extended day. If we can see what he's doing you'll notice that he's hasn't said anything since he dodged the lynch. That's my concern now - he'll disappear now that he's no longer in danger.
If Nemesis dies, census is taken to check his alignment -> we start looking at his vote list. The only bad thing about this plan is wasting a vig shot on someone that should be dead anyway. Fact is that even when no one stepped up to actively defend him we ACTUALLY have bunch of dumb soft defends by GMarshal (who even said after some point "no one's defending him" and switched his vote to zergling) IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD. Soft defends are treacherous territory at any rate, so it doesn't really say anything about anyone... yet.
But whatever.
As for Ace/Ver - they basically confirmed that I made the right play as mafia last game, regardless of however disgusting I felt about doing so. It's lame when town kills itself out of inactivity, so if you think I'm inactive and worth a bullet then KILL me NOW.
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On January 30 2011 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
I find it ridiculous that you don't take my illness seriously.
I find it ridiculous that you don't take this game seriously.
Don't sign up/replace if you are sick, and won't be able to post.
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On January 30 2011 07:50 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
I find it ridiculous that you don't take my illness seriously. I find it ridiculous that you don't take this game seriously. Don't sign up/replace if you are sick, and won't be able to post.
Dude, chill. He probably didn't know he was going to get sick when he signed up as a replacement.
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On January 30 2011 07:03 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 10:41 CubEdIn wrote:On January 29 2011 10:28 Coagulation wrote:
##unvote Nemesis
##Vote zerroth What the fuck Coag? You can't act like you don't know this is extremely incriminating. So either you're: a) A really bad mafia player with Nemesis in their team b) A townie that feels like they don't wanna play anymore. You may do dumb things sometimes but I don't think you're dumb enough to be in case a). Which means that you're playing anti-town, which should be against the rules. Switching vote to someone who's gonna get mod-killed is just dumb, at least vote for yourself to show you're abstaining. A really overly negative reaction to my vote change. attacks my "mafia skills" and trys to berate my judgment in a indirect defense of his lurking scumbuddy.
Oh right, because voting for someone who was on the modkill list is not scummy at all.
Also, I had my vote on "my scumbuddy", until he posted some things that seemed fairly honest, which is when I changed it to you.
Or are you implying that it was a master-plan to change my vote after the initial deadline in hope that mods will have moved it, and getting him off right before hang time?
In which case, thanks for changing your vote AS WELL and going along with our plan scumbuddy!
God your logic sucks.
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On January 30 2011 07:51 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 07:50 Kavdragon wrote:On January 30 2011 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
I find it ridiculous that you don't take my illness seriously. I find it ridiculous that you don't take this game seriously. Don't sign up/replace if you are sick, and won't be able to post. Dude, chill. He probably didn't know he was going to get sick when he signed up as a replacement.
You're right. D3, I apologize for my flippant comment.
On January 30 2011 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
Given that your reads are usually incorrect, I'd say the probability that you're red is low, but not low enough for me to discount you.
Would you mind explaining this sentance? Are you basing the accuracy of my reads off of this game or my past games? Do you know something about my "reads" this game that we don't? Also, why would me being NOT red be a reason for you to discount me?
WHY lynch RoL when he was likely town and the strongest player we have? Then again that's been the most ridiculous pattern of towns in general - lynch RoL, find out he's town and then get fucked in the ass. When he hasn't been town he's generally been less lazy, but whatever - this isn't about him.
Agreed. RoL should NOT have been lynched today. I originally voted that, but thought better of it and asked the town to put off lynching him till tomorrow at the earliest.
Speaking of patterns - it's been town pattern to let the other dude off after Day 1 lynch and not pay attention to him until late game again. Happened with brocket last game; would've happened with Annul on Day 2 if there was no extended day. If we can see what he's doing you'll notice that he's hasn't said anything since he dodged the lynch. That's my concern now - he'll disappear now that he's no longer in danger.
A valid concern. I personally think that he's not mafia because his play reminds me of his previous town play, and because there weren't very many people defending him. (Something that he mafia can afford to do in this game to a much greater extent than other games) however, I am not the entire town, and they seemed to think that he was very suspicious. Why don't you keep an eye on him, and make sure he doesn't fall off the board?
If Nemesis dies, census is taken to check his alignment -> we start looking at his vote list. The only bad thing about this plan is wasting a vig shot on someone that should be dead anyway. Fact is that even when no one stepped up to actively defend him we ACTUALLY have bunch of dumb soft defends by GMarshal (who even said after some point "no one's defending him" and switched his vote to zergling) IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD. Soft defends are treacherous territory at any rate, so it doesn't really say anything about anyone... yet.
I many people in the town thought that he might be a SK, in which case the shot would be wasted. I think that he's best left as a lynch candidate, and not a vig candidate.
As for Ace/Ver - they basically confirmed that I made the right play as mafia last game, regardless of however disgusting I felt about doing so. It's lame when town kills itself out of inactivity, so if you think I'm inactive and worth a bullet then KILL me NOW.
Are you over your illness? If not, you might ask about getting a replacement. If you are better, you'd better be up to posting and contributing, cause I'm not happy with inactivity, and I WILL push for the death of any who lurk or go inactive.
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On January 30 2011 06:58 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all? I also agree vig should not claim before shooting because it means nothing. A mafia could as well claim before shooting but it will lure dt toward his way. Alternative suggestion is if a vig really want to claim, he should claim much before the night ends so dts have a chance to check that shooter. This will greatly discourage mafia to claim vig. I didn't say I agree vig should claim before shooting. I just said if vig wants to claim before shooting, he should claim ahead of time and should not claim to be shooting in the last hour.
Reason for vigi to claim: To get a confirmed townie.
Why waste a DT check on someone who can confirm himself? We know night KP is 3, and unless RoL is the laziest SK ever, it will be 3 tonight as well. Anything above that is a vigi hit. Why are you worried about a mafia claiming to have done a vigi hit? It's just a matter of the real vigi counter claiming, and then we are trading 1 of us for 1 of them by lynching both.
Reason I would suggest vigi to claim before the day post is that he knows for certain there will be clues towards him in that day post. Mafia can't be sure if they are the ones who will have clues against them in the day post, so fakeclaiming before it's posted is a gamble for them.
I agree with medic protection on LD, some great clue analysis done by him. I'd suggest DivineK in addition to other suspects for DT check, I think he responded badly to my pressure.
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A reminder that we are still looking for replacements. I don't want to see any more modkills, but I'm afraid that without replacements it will be inevitable. It would be appreciated if anyone following this game stepped up.
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On January 30 2011 08:49 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 06:58 LunarDestiny wrote:On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all? I also agree vig should not claim before shooting because it means nothing. A mafia could as well claim before shooting but it will lure dt toward his way. Alternative suggestion is if a vig really want to claim, he should claim much before the night ends so dts have a chance to check that shooter. This will greatly discourage mafia to claim vig. I didn't say I agree vig should claim before shooting. I just said if vig wants to claim before shooting, he should claim ahead of time and should not claim to be shooting in the last hour. Reason for vigi to claim: To get a confirmed townie. Why waste a DT check on someone who can confirm himself? We know night KP is 3, and unless RoL is the laziest SK ever, it will be 3 tonight as well. Anything above that is a vigi hit. Why are you worried about a mafia claiming to have done a vigi hit? It's just a matter of the real vigi counter claiming, and then we are trading 1 of us for 1 of them by lynching both. Reason I would suggest vigi to claim before the day post is that he knows for certain there will be clues towards him in that day post. Mafia can't be sure if they are the ones who will have clues against them in the day post, so fakeclaiming before it's posted is a gamble for them. I agree with medic protection on LD, some great clue analysis done by him. I'd suggest DivineK in addition to other suspects for DT check, I think he responded badly to my pressure.
Isnt there a ton of scenarios where vigi trying to claim and call out his hit goes wrong? Like he could just be a mafia member, and then the NKs could end up as 3 or even less than 3 and there could be any number of reasons for that like: mafia stacked, mafia hit a vet, mafia hit med prot, mafia hit sk
i dont really see how he can be confirmed unless all kills are successful and the NKs are indeed 4
and even if he does get confirmed what good is that? So he's confirmed what GOOD is a confirmed townie, sure you can trust his opinions but lets be honest that doesnt mean anything he says is going to be RIGHT and the person who claims vigi is probably going to otherwise be inactive and useless lol. So I suppose it could be better than nothing
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
It seems most people are against the vig claim, but if I were a vig then I would certainly claim once I decided to use my shot. In a perfect world, analysis would be able to save you, but when there is a hard clue against you, the mafia will surely be pushing hard to pin the lynch against you. Yes, it leaves room for a fake claim, but if a scum is willing to risk all that extra attention, then go right ahead.
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On January 30 2011 08:25 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 07:51 BrownBear wrote:On January 30 2011 07:50 Kavdragon wrote:On January 30 2011 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
I find it ridiculous that you don't take my illness seriously. I find it ridiculous that you don't take this game seriously. Don't sign up/replace if you are sick, and won't be able to post. Dude, chill. He probably didn't know he was going to get sick when he signed up as a replacement. You're right. D3, I apologize for my flippant comment. Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 07:37 d3_crescentia wrote:
Given that your reads are usually incorrect, I'd say the probability that you're red is low, but not low enough for me to discount you. Would you mind explaining this sentance? Are you basing the accuracy of my reads off of this game or my past games? Do you know something about my "reads" this game that we don't? Also, why would me being NOT red be a reason for you to discount me? Show nested quote +WHY lynch RoL when he was likely town and the strongest player we have? Then again that's been the most ridiculous pattern of towns in general - lynch RoL, find out he's town and then get fucked in the ass. When he hasn't been town he's generally been less lazy, but whatever - this isn't about him. Agreed. RoL should NOT have been lynched today. I originally voted that, but thought better of it and asked the town to put off lynching him till tomorrow at the earliest. Show nested quote +Speaking of patterns - it's been town pattern to let the other dude off after Day 1 lynch and not pay attention to him until late game again. Happened with brocket last game; would've happened with Annul on Day 2 if there was no extended day. If we can see what he's doing you'll notice that he's hasn't said anything since he dodged the lynch. That's my concern now - he'll disappear now that he's no longer in danger. A valid concern. I personally think that he's not mafia because his play reminds me of his previous town play, and because there weren't very many people defending him. (Something that he mafia can afford to do in this game to a much greater extent than other games) however, I am not the entire town, and they seemed to think that he was very suspicious. Why don't you keep an eye on him, and make sure he doesn't fall off the board? Show nested quote +If Nemesis dies, census is taken to check his alignment -> we start looking at his vote list. The only bad thing about this plan is wasting a vig shot on someone that should be dead anyway. Fact is that even when no one stepped up to actively defend him we ACTUALLY have bunch of dumb soft defends by GMarshal (who even said after some point "no one's defending him" and switched his vote to zergling) IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD. Soft defends are treacherous territory at any rate, so it doesn't really say anything about anyone... yet. I many people in the town thought that he might be a SK, in which case the shot would be wasted. I think that he's best left as a lynch candidate, and not a vig candidate. Show nested quote +
As for Ace/Ver - they basically confirmed that I made the right play as mafia last game, regardless of however disgusting I felt about doing so. It's lame when town kills itself out of inactivity, so if you think I'm inactive and worth a bullet then KILL me NOW.
Are you over your illness? If not, you might ask about getting a replacement. If you are better, you'd better be up to posting and contributing, cause I'm not happy with inactivity, and I WILL push for the death of any who lurk or go inactive.
If you're that sure of RoL why not ask for the number of SK we are dealing with in your census tonight? We know we started with 5 reds. Knowing how many Sk are amongst us is going to remove a lot of kp questions. I understand mafia would love to know this too but we have to get a number at some point.
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with the vig claiming, we'll need hte medics on him. Stacking the mafia KPs on that vig vs how many medics is something to be considered.
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Two reasons:
One, I wasn't that sure that RoL was town. I'm still not. I didn't have a good read on him, so I wanted to put off his lynch for a day.
Two: There were three modkills, and we need to know if any were any mafia amongst them. Fastforward to tomorrow night. We just lynched someone, and we want to check his alignment with the census. We'll never know if that the mafia that died is from today, or the lynch tomorrow. We should be able to figure out the SK from the NK. I'm betting there's only one right now, because I think it's unlikely that he doubled a hit on Meapak or Siniquity.
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I hadn't considered the mod kills. Disregard.
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Node, you here?
Btw, has there been a delay with the day post? If not, I'll post it if Node doesn't show up.
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As a reminder, please submit your night actions to me also, or they might not be counted
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Post it! The suspense is killing me!
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