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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
January 29 2011 15:57 GMT
#1101
Wow, I leave and RoL gets lynched. wat.
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 29 2011 17:55 GMT
#1102
Sorry guys I have no time to play. Good Luck town!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Eti307
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Canada3442 Posts
January 29 2011 18:43 GMT
#1103
Roles not being revealed on death is making this harder

There were substantial analysis of RoL leading to the conclusion that he was a townie in the thread. If he turns out scum, some of the players becomes really suspicious (like BrownBear and Divinek)

This is really hard for the town!

Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 29 2011 18:45 GMT
#1104
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all?
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 29 2011 18:49 GMT
#1105
On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all?


I feel he shouldn't claim. There aren't PMs in this game besides mason circle, so it's not like he could start a town circle or something. It doesn't make much sense to claim, besides to say, "Hey, look at me, I'm town!", and use up medic protection or get shot the next night.
you gotta dance
Eti307
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Canada3442 Posts
January 29 2011 18:52 GMT
#1106
Yes I lurked for the first part of this game. Like I said in the previous post I was going to be free this weekend

I understand how you would consider me for a vig hit. I did lay low but I have reasons for that. First of all this is my first mafia game since the very first mafia game ever on teamliquid. The game obviously evolved and changed quite a bit since then and I decided to take a step back and see how it goes. I'll be honest, I'm surprised at how devoted some of you are. It takes a great amount of time to do a complete analysis of every profile/posts. I'm a little overwhelmed.

With that said, I read every posts in this thread and I'm not making random votes. I might be more of a passive player but that's how I always approached those kind of games
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 29 2011 18:52 GMT
#1107
The only thing I could think of is to determine whos kills are which, and I think we did an OK job figuring that out for night 1. No need to claim unless someone claims your hit, and there is no other mention of another coming to the hit after.

Oh and can someone save a vig for night 3 please small request
Together but separate, like oatmeal
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 29 2011 19:07 GMT
#1108
On January 30 2011 03:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh and can someone save a vig for night 3 please small request


Reasoning?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 29 2011 19:14 GMT
#1109
I think after this night we will get a ton more information. Serial killers have to kill so if we didn't lynch the SK yesterday, then there will be more clues pointing towards that person and if we did lynch the SK then yay town.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#1110
On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all?

I see no point in it. It would actually be a good vehicle for an SK to try to hide behind. Especially late in the game.
Life can only kill you once.
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 29 2011 20:19 GMT
#1111
On January 30 2011 04:14 darmousseh wrote:
I think after this night we will get a ton more information. Serial killers have to kill so if we didn't lynch the SK yesterday, then there will be more clues pointing towards that person and if we did lynch the SK then yay town.


No, mods said that SK will NOT get clues pointing to them every night. It would be really unfair if they did...
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
zerroth
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada173 Posts
January 29 2011 20:44 GMT
#1112
aww really. i thought it would but yeah i guess that would be unfair. So when the SK guy dies, there will no clues pertaining to that sometimes then. zzzz gonna be a bit harder then since we won't know which was sk or mafia
With no power, comes no responsibility.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 29 2011 21:14 GMT
#1113
On January 30 2011 05:19 Kavdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 04:14 darmousseh wrote:
I think after this night we will get a ton more information. Serial killers have to kill so if we didn't lynch the SK yesterday, then there will be more clues pointing towards that person and if we did lynch the SK then yay town.


No, mods said that SK will NOT get clues pointing to them every night. It would be really unfair if they did...


what really? So how does that work? sometimes it just says someone dies? will it look like clues? red herrings?
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 29 2011 21:16 GMT
#1114
On January 30 2011 04:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 03:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh and can someone save a vig for night 3 please small request


Reasoning?


we dont need every vigi shooting the first night they can we might need it later, when more information and analysis is available.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 29 2011 21:24 GMT
#1115
On January 29 2011 21:27 d3_crescentia wrote:
Thanks for the analysis LD. I really hope you read the other post where I said I've been SICK with some sort of bizarre disease that causes BLOOD to erupt from my BODILY ORIFICES, but I guess I left that detail out so as to not subject yourselves to the uncomfortable facts of my life.


Uh....Sick? Let's look at the time line of your posts, shall we?

+ Show Spoiler +

Call for replacements:
On January 25 2011 03:27 LSB wrote:
We are looking for replacements. Please PM LSB if you are interested in playing

Two hours later, you are put in: (So you obviously are active then)
On January 25 2011 05:22 LSB wrote:
d3_crescentia will be replacing Pandain.
Deconduo will be replacing DoctorHelvetica


Everyone say HI D3! and HI Deconduo!

You say hi 2 minutes later:
On January 25 2011 05:24 d3_crescentia wrote:
I am obviously superior to Pandain.

Time to read through the thread.

18 minutes later you post: (more activity)
On January 25 2011 05:42 d3_crescentia wrote:
It's a shame. My profile is obviously superior.

Roughly 4 hours after being sloted in, you post this.
On January 25 2011 09:11 d3_crescentia wrote:
I'd vote for RoL if he didn't seem so lazy. Some good insight on the mayor role.

I don't have a strong opinion of Kavdragon just yet, as his playstyle generally looks town.

For the most part we need to ignore clues and focus on the people themselves.

@darmousseh all those situations lead into a bunch of WIFOM. I'll be watching you for better posts.

Aaaaaand....then you disapear with no warning, and come back OVER FOUR DAYS later to tell us that you got sick. How the hell did you not get mod killed?
On January 29 2011 11:52 d3_crescentia wrote:
Ugh.

I've been sick for the past few days. Food poisoning I think.

...



Looking at this, it is obvious that you were active when you were put in. Why would you come in if you were coming down with some sickness? You managed to stop by and vote the day after you stopped posting,+ Show Spoiler +
On January 26 2011 04:15 d3_crescentia wrote:
##vote RebirthOfLegenD
so why wouldn't you tell us you were sick? If you weren't sick at that time, why didn't you post? I find it ridiculously telling that you "got better" enough to post just too late to stop the bandwagon that had formed on RoL. It's ironic cause that's exactly the sort of thing that RoL said he'd do if he was scum...

Skipping that - the RoL vote. I'm convinced he was town, but unfortunately we have no way to confirm that with 3 modkills. I'm willing to bet that the mafia are going to be likely to stick around for at least the first vote before dying to activity requirements. The people that immediately come under suspicion on that list are Beneather, kitaman27, Eti307. Not sure if I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Darmousseh right now either considering I think he has weak posting.

I agree that RoL was likely town because of how close the vote was, and how easy it would have been to tip it in favor of a powerful player. I also agree that we (hopefully) won't know if he was or not, because of the mod kills. ("Hopefully" because the only way we can confirm that he is town is if no mafia were killed, and I'd much rather have a dead mafia then an unconfirmed RoL). I think that you are in no position to be calling people out on weak posting.

I also happen to think that if we shoot Nemesis we should be able to start figuring things out on HIS vote list as well after night census. At this point in time we need as much information as we can get.

No. Having a vig shoot nemesis is a terrible idea. He's posting, so we can see what he's doing, and analyse him and make the decision ourselves. We can't really do this with lurkers like you.

The call for a vig to hit you stands. I'm obviously not in charge of them, but I hope I've made my arguments clear enough for them to understand, and take action.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 29 2011 21:29 GMT
#1116
On January 30 2011 06:14 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 05:19 Kavdragon wrote:
On January 30 2011 04:14 darmousseh wrote:
I think after this night we will get a ton more information. Serial killers have to kill so if we didn't lynch the SK yesterday, then there will be more clues pointing towards that person and if we did lynch the SK then yay town.


No, mods said that SK will NOT get clues pointing to them every night. It would be really unfair if they did...


what really? So how does that work? sometimes it just says someone dies? will it look like clues? red herrings?


From what i read, the clues work like this: If three people die, there will be three clues. (with the SK being a possible exception to that rule). The clues will NOT NECESSARILY be in the description of the person who died. This means that all three could be in the last person's death, or they could be spread out, or wherever. If an SK kills someone, I'm assuming that the clue will just not always be there.

So for instance, the SK kills one person, the mafia kill two. There will be two clues in the day post, but they could be anywhere in the post. The important part is to remember that the clues could appear anywhere in the post, including right next to each other.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 29 2011 21:40 GMT
#1117
On January 30 2011 06:29 Kavdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 06:14 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 30 2011 05:19 Kavdragon wrote:
On January 30 2011 04:14 darmousseh wrote:
I think after this night we will get a ton more information. Serial killers have to kill so if we didn't lynch the SK yesterday, then there will be more clues pointing towards that person and if we did lynch the SK then yay town.


No, mods said that SK will NOT get clues pointing to them every night. It would be really unfair if they did...


what really? So how does that work? sometimes it just says someone dies? will it look like clues? red herrings?


From what i read, the clues work like this: If three people die, there will be three clues. (with the SK being a possible exception to that rule). The clues will NOT NECESSARILY be in the description of the person who died. This means that all three could be in the last person's death, or they could be spread out, or wherever. If an SK kills someone, I'm assuming that the clue will just not always be there.

So for instance, the SK kills one person, the mafia kill two. There will be two clues in the day post, but they could be anywhere in the post. The important part is to remember that the clues could appear anywhere in the post, including right next to each other.


Man how do I miss this stuff, I thought I read this thread completely, Ill keep this in mind.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 29 2011 21:50 GMT
#1118
On January 30 2011 06:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 06:29 Kavdragon wrote:
On January 30 2011 06:14 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 30 2011 05:19 Kavdragon wrote:
On January 30 2011 04:14 darmousseh wrote:
I think after this night we will get a ton more information. Serial killers have to kill so if we didn't lynch the SK yesterday, then there will be more clues pointing towards that person and if we did lynch the SK then yay town.


No, mods said that SK will NOT get clues pointing to them every night. It would be really unfair if they did...


what really? So how does that work? sometimes it just says someone dies? will it look like clues? red herrings?


From what i read, the clues work like this: If three people die, there will be three clues. (with the SK being a possible exception to that rule). The clues will NOT NECESSARILY be in the description of the person who died. This means that all three could be in the last person's death, or they could be spread out, or wherever. If an SK kills someone, I'm assuming that the clue will just not always be there.

So for instance, the SK kills one person, the mafia kill two. There will be two clues in the day post, but they could be anywhere in the post. The important part is to remember that the clues could appear anywhere in the post, including right next to each other.


Man how do I miss this stuff, I thought I read this thread completely, Ill keep this in mind.


To be fair, there's been a lot of confusion when it comes to clues because the hosts gave us a bunch of info on them, then said "Wait, no. We take that back, we're not going to tell you."
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
January 29 2011 21:58 GMT
#1119
On January 30 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Can someone explain to me why having the Vig claim before, or after is useful? Why does he need to claim at all?


I also agree vig should not claim before shooting because it means nothing. A mafia could as well claim before shooting but it will lure dt toward his way. Alternative suggestion is if a vig really want to claim, he should claim much before the night ends so dts have a chance to check that shooter. This will greatly discourage mafia to claim vig.

I didn't say I agree vig should claim before shooting.

I just said if vig wants to claim before shooting, he should claim ahead of time and should not claim to be shooting in the last hour.
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 29 2011 21:58 GMT
#1120
I realize that this is going against what I told medic earlier, but I'll say it anyways.

I'm fairly convinced that LunarDestiny is town, and I'd recommend him for a medic protect. Looking at it from the mafia's prospective, he's exactly the kind of person who they'd want to hit.

He has been fairly active, and as I see it, there's absolutely no reason for a mafia to go as far as he did to point out D3's question, and the answers made by Ace and Ver. Mafia have no need to go in-depth and look at things from other games. to make a case against anyone really, much less a lurker.

Oh, and in case I didn't mention it earlier, LD's post on D3's conversation with Ace and Ver is pretty damning. I'd take a look at it if you missed it.
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