EPTThat is who are you going to lynch/plans whatever.
and RoL since you are back, how are you planning on choosing your bodyguard, and who are you going to lynch first day?
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
That is who are you going to lynch/plans whatever. and RoL since you are back, how are you planning on choosing your bodyguard, and who are you going to lynch first day? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 25 2011 08:55 BrownBear wrote: Who is aidinai? More importantly, why has he managed to completely derail town with one useless post? Let's focus more on the mayoral debate. For one, I wonder why RoL voted Kav without giving reason. Maybe he's just not voting for himself, either because he doesn't think he can, or because he is being polite. Or maybe he's decided he doesn't want the mayoral position that much after all. If so, why? To answer this. I generally don't like voting for myself in an election, I feel like its bad taste. But if people are going to think I am conceding the position when I just pushing for it then I will change my vote. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On January 25 2011 12:52 Kavdragon wrote: Will mafia be in control of who is sent out to kill, or will it be RNG'd? Does it really matter? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 25 2011 10:45 SiNiquity wrote: I voted for Kav because he seems like he's going to be a good, active mayor. Since he inadvertently started his campaign prior to the roles given out, the chances of him being mafia are as good as an RNG without any of the downsides. I liked RoL's long post, but it was too long overdue and not enough to persuade me. I remember a while ago they used to ban that in games. I guessed we stopped though. Running before the game started is stupid and doesn't give you shit to analyze. They can use it as a point of trust when they could of lucked their way into a strong mafia position. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On January 25 2011 13:01 Kavdragon wrote: A word on policy: Should the Mason contact the mayor night one? This would ensure that masons survive the night, though it's unlikely that the mason, and his convertee are both killed. Other than that, the mayor would then be able to entrust any other information with the original mason. (For instance, my role, any information on blues I have, and vise versa.) Note that while the Mason would be a confirmed townie, the mayor would not be confirmed. Thus the flow of information should only go to the mason, who should not pass it to anyone else unless extreme conditions warrant it. Perhaps with time, the mayor will build enough trust that he can be entrusted with information that the mason has, but I'm not going to assume that. This seems the best plan to me, but I'm looking at it from the mayor's position. Anyone have any problems with this? I'm sorry but this just sounds bad(once again). You are basically putting everything into the hands of the mayor. It is not likely that mafia will find masons during the first day. The disadvantages far outweights the advantages of this plan. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I am leaning towards Amber[LighT] for my Day 1 lynch. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 25 2011 12:17 papapanda wrote: my thoughts are the first day clues are just an example of how the clue would be like for new players(like me:D) and are pointing towards people outside the game(like Qatol, LSB, Node...etc) In other words, not really relevent to ON? On January 25 2011 12:52 bumatlarge wrote: Day1 clues are always very general and abstract. I'd be very surprised if everything you are pinning on ON is actually all real clues On January 25 2011 13:02 Nemesis wrote: It's day 1, and I would rather not talk about clues. Clues are rather vague until we get the hang of it. It is just derailing the thread here. Awful lot of people trying to shift attention away from our scum suspect. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Also to RoL, did I missed something? Why Amber? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On January 25 2011 13:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Kav, my entire platform is not to put all your eggs in one potentially scum basket. By revolving everything around the mayor you are dooming the town. Stop with the stupidity. I am leaning towards Amber[LighT] for my Day 1 lynch. Why Amber[Light]? kitaman, I would rather not depend on clues over post analysis. And fine, if you think the clue leads to him, and want him lynched for the first day. Don't you already have kavdragon's support? Why discuss it further if kav has already decided to lynch him? | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On January 25 2011 13:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Kav, my entire platform is not to put all your eggs in one potentially scum basket. By revolving everything around the mayor you are dooming the town. Stop with the stupidity. I am leaning towards Amber[LighT] for my Day 1 lynch. This is the pro analysis you will get and more by putting RoL in the mayors seat. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 25 2011 13:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I remember a while ago they used to ban that in games. I guessed we stopped though. Running before the game started is stupid and doesn't give you shit to analyze. They can use it as a point of trust when they could of lucked their way into a strong mafia position. Sorry, it was ignorance that lead me to announce my intention to run for mayor. I mistakenly thought that I wasn't supposed to start posting an official campaign till the game started. I see the mistake I made, and I'm genuinely sorry for it. For the record, it was origenally intended as a joke, but as I'll explain in a second, I decided to stick with it so that it would not fall into mafia hands. As far as my plans revolving around the mayorship, let me explain my reasoning, however badly thought out it may be: I have learned not to trust anything, except my role PM. I KNOW that I am town. The rest of you don't know that, but I do. I want the mayorship to be in townie hands, and the only guaranteed way that will happen is if I'm the one in that seat. Asking masons to recruit me first was an attempt to make sure that they survive, not a power play. As I pointed out when I suggested it, it was not an attempt to give more information to the mayor, but an attempt to get some of the eggs out of the mayor's basket, and into another confirmed townie's basket. I realize that you cannot know that I am a townie, and thus you cannot support me trying to get in a more central role, so I will back down from my stance there, but know my reasoning for trying in the first place. In general I'm putting ideas out there, and asking what people think of them. I'm not advocating all of them, but I know that I'm not going to catch every nuance of every little plan, so I put it out in the public. I know that you can be a better player than me, RoL, I just don't KNOW that you are town. That's why I'm running against you, and not voting for you. One last note, while I was the first person to vote, and I voted myself, I agree that it seems a bit untasteful for someone to vote for them self. Because of this, I'm going to switch my vote to you. Hopefully it won't cause too much confusion, and this way we can vote for eachother, and not mess up any vote counts. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
So Amber, how are things? I find it interesting that you quick response my prod when I know you do 4 day work weeks at home and somehow don't really contribute much besides responding to that  Anyway, I am going to girlfriends for a few hours. When I get back you will all get more. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 25 2011 13:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't believe in a mayor centered town obviously. That is stupid. I am going to try to encourage everyone to contribute and analyze because that is the only way we are going to win this game. We need to make people talk and make them slip up if they are not town aligned. The only reason I want to be mayor is so I have a longer period of time where I can try and make people contribute and attempt to be a voice of reason. So Amber, how are things? I find it interesting that you quick response my prod when I know you do 4 day work weeks at home and somehow don't really contribute much besides responding to that Anyway, I am going to girlfriends for a few hours. When I get back you will all get more. You are calling for more analysis, and less clue hunting, but as far as I can remember, I'm the only player who has done ANY analysis thus far... Back up your claims and post some analysis if you want me to take you seriously. Two things that I should clarify: My proposed lynch of OriginalName is based off of post analysis just as much as clue analysis. I'm not giving up my run for mayor, I'm simply voting for someone other than myself. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Mason's are an interesting role. The way I'd recommend playing it would be to try to recruit those who you think are town and treat everything they say as if you think they are mafia. IN PMland people are more likely to slip up and say something stupid. They are also more inclined to try to hard manipulate someone through PM's. From a mafia perspective it is MUCH safer than manipulating people publicly. Anyway, the mason role needs to be constantly vigilant and never too trusting. I will switch my vote back too kav. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On January 25 2011 13:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I like your reasoning Kav all up until the bit about the mason's. By the mason joining with the mayor it is creating a circle so to speak which I believe is what will do us in. We can't have all our ideas coming from 2-3 people. I want everyone contributing and by creating a circle you destroy possibility of that. I don't approve of any plan that puts powerful people and powerful roles together when they can't be confirmed. It leads to players looking for guidance from those who they perceive as "knowing more". I hadn't thought of the fact that people would be looking to me for the "good" ideas. I suppose that that's what comes with the mayorship, because people have voted you a capable player. It's really pretty obvious, but the idea of one person leading the town's decisions is such a bad/foreign idea to me that I didn't really consider it being exactly what could happen to a mayor. On that subject, I strongly disagree with leaving any mayor the power to make large decisions. I would treat any mayor as a special townie. His opinion is not necessarily right, just like a confirmed townie is not necessarily right. You wouldn't vote me if you thought i was mafia, so just trust that I'm tying my best should I get into the mayorship. Do NOT take my word as some sort of upper authority. Like i said before, RoL, Dr.H, Amber, and others are capable of playing better than me. However none of them have really stepped out and shown good work, except for a few posts by RoL. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Makes this tough. I wish we had more than 2 serious candidates. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On January 25 2011 16:45 BrownBear wrote: RoL has the better plan for the mayorship IMO. However, Kav has been more far more active than RoL. Makes this tough. I wish we had more than 2 serious candidates. I think part of it too is that so much rides on the mayoral candidate. They are the key to getting important information and a centerpiece to persuading townies to look at certain facts and viewpoints. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
My current thoughts are N1 check all mafia count. N2 we check serial killer count. That should give us an idea of the KP count. It might even give us insight into clues if we understand how many of the night kills are ALWAYS going to be attributed to the SK's. From previous games if the mafia KP formula is X/2 = KP where X is total mafia members then each night KP/clues will alternate between the players while SK's own their KP solely and we don't have to worry about overlapping. I think the best way to attempt to use census is constantly alternating between checking SK's and checking mafia total count that way we kind of have an idea of how many mafia/SK are left and can judge our progress and get an idea of a mafia pushed a bad lynch thinking we couldn't tell the difference. The reasoning being that I expect mafia to attempt to be more aggressive in this set up since there is no flips so they don't face true repercussions for their actions. The only issue with this plan is it relies on the mayor being honest and town aligned. Its another reason we need a town aligned mayor, census will give us a HUGE advantage that I woudln't want to throw away. Personally I think Kav is probably a townie so I am not too worried about either one of us getting it. Although I do find it strange that the mafia aren't vying for such a powerful role which is what makes me a bit suspicious of Kav, but my read on him is he wouldn't be comfortable enough to do this his first game as mafia and I will stick to that I suppose. Tomorrow before I go to work I am going to try to do some actual clue and behavioral analysis as well as look over the OG guy. Since Day ends tomorrow one of us has to decide on a lynch target for sure. | ||
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