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sure thing LSB, i was thinking about roleclaiming anyway. I'm the witch, as assigned. If I am not lynched today, I will be able to stop a mafia night kill 100%. Of course, if I am lynched the copy cat will get this role instead. If we do follow LSB's plan for all of our other roles, I'll know which night kills are expected and which one is mafia.
^^eiii, yeah a lot of activity, but most of it was just me spamming.
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Please unvote Aidnai If you want to kill him, do it tomorrow. Losing the witch day 1 is horrible.
On January 12 2011 05:12 aidnai wrote: if I am lynched the copy cat will get this role instead. Remember. The Copycat is in Mafia hands
Unvote aidnai Vote: Jimbosilvers
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On January 12 2011 04:32 aidnai wrote:We have a couple lurkers so far. I've never played with you zeks and don't know your style, but it's time to start posting more. + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2011 10:08 zeks wrote: last time we had a plan and we still had 2 people pick traitor within the top 6 if i remember correctly
On January 09 2011 07:01 zeks wrote: I randomed as well.
As town we're all just as effective with or without powerful roles - its just a matter of how you use it. Besides after the draft results come out we'll still have time to figure out a better plan if need be.
I actually like the PYP2 plan with the percentages and what not, just so theres not a clear cut drafting order for scum/SKs to easily exploit. I know as SK last PYP I really contemplated what to pick from that plan and it made it tougher for me. On January 09 2011 12:36 zeks wrote: I was [3][1]. On January 10 2011 08:58 zeks wrote: According to LSB's plan I'm supposed to take Tracker - and for many reasons others have listed I'm not going to follow it fully.
As a cover my ass tactic I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch. On January 10 2011 12:50 zeks wrote: Finger of suspicion like Fishball said On January 11 2011 09:35 zeks wrote: We should be using CPR as an extra town lynch. Infact the CPR should be working with town goals and not randomly hitting people every night - so even if decon is infact scum we can still control his power or risk himself getting lynched. On January 11 2011 13:06 zeks wrote: ##abstain
incase i somehow dont get to vote tomorrow
day 1 pardon = no And you Jackal58, I thought you were an obvious green read in MafiaXXXV despite posting infrequently, but I haven't got the same read from you here yet. Please help us out and pick up the pace a bit. + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2011 12:03 Jackal58 wrote: Thanks man. All that would load for me this afternoon was the banner. And role confirmed. On January 09 2011 22:37 Jackal58 wrote: [6] [9]
i shall attempt to stick to LSBs plan but I'm still not sure how this all works yet. On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order. On January 11 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:10 HaploPaithan wrote: Yes, I think we should know what he picked before we make a decision. I don't think we're going to find out anytime soon unless we lynch him. On January 11 2011 19:21 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. 1 of the 4 above me is the copy cat. I'm just green. On January 11 2011 19:27 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 16:24 Barundar wrote:I’m not convinced on aidnai. In HPmafia he posted one liners, discussed setup in thread etc., and it was easy to direct the day 1 lynch on to him. This post is from when he was actually scum and was being pressured in ExMiMa: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 14:53 aidnai wrote:So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time). Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts: RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit. Verdict: townie vs. townie. Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet. Verdict: townie vs. townie. That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote: Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.
##Vote Fishball Hell, the game just started. What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that! For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this. As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it... So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all. Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests. And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date: Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote: Nevermind, I missed your first post above. Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all. on that note: ##vote fishballP.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_- I like Fishball’s suggestion of a policy lynch on LayOffRage, but we could also use the pardoner for a 0 lynch, and let mafia decide the CopyCat role. The reasons for this plan is: First, we know where the CopyCat role is, since Jackal58 said he would follow LSB’s plan. When mafia pick off one of our power roles, he should receive it, and they will have to waste a hit on him night 2 as well. If Jackal58 is still alive on day 3, we can lynch his ass (or he can put the role to use). Second, if Jackal58 is lying about picking CopyCat, we found our traitor. We might have lost an important power role to the real copy cat, but we got one red down. It’s a loss of a role for a red, which is in my opinion a decent trade, as long as deconduo and kitaman are medic protected. It would be nice to hear from Jackal58 if he can actually confirm he got the CopyCat role. Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote:On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order. I probably should have made this clearer. I did not get copy cat. That is the role I picked per LSBs list but I am just vanilla green. 1 of the 4 above me on the draft list is copy cat. On January 11 2011 22:53 Jackal58 wrote: ## Vote Kenpachi The worst offender so far: GGQ. Joined the game the 8th, has <6 total posts!? And all of them content free, of course. + Show Spoiler +On January 08 2011 11:02 GGQ wrote: /confirm
I'm not going to pretend I have the experience or mafia skill to judge any plan. If there's one being used, I'll follow it. It does seem to me that a plan is better than no plan by a large margin, though. On January 09 2011 11:40 GGQ wrote: I picked [5][3].
Low spot ftl. On January 10 2011 12:53 GGQ wrote:As Fishball said, it's a 'finger of suspicion'. It's a mafia term that you use to point out someone that you think is suspicious when you don't have the evidence to call him mafia for certain. On January 11 2011 05:02 GGQ wrote: deconduo, you said that there was a mistake and that you did, in fact, get the role you asked for. You said before the draft that you were going to pick CPR doc. Can you confirm that this is now your role, or did you random for your pick like your earlier plan? We want to keep track of CPR doc. On January 11 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:56 kitaman27 wrote:On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal. ##Vote LayOffRage Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion. Mafia only gets the role of their choice if they can predict what everyone chose, which may be difficult considering how many people said they weren't going to follow a role picking plan. I want to hear LayOffRage's reason for calling Fishball the traitor. Was it supposed to be a joke, or do you have some secret reasoning? We need to hear more from these people to be able to get a good read. I also am having a hard time reading haplopaithan, even though he's posted roughly twice as much as the above. I'm at work right now.
On January 12 2011 04:52 LSB wrote:About the Traitor I would like to talk about my experiences as a traitor in PYP2. The key thing I did was kept the town on the topic of the traitor and tried to waste the day lynches on the traitor. This worked, and it was a great way to waste lynches. Instead of wasting our day discussion talking about who is traitor or who is not, we should just focus on other things and work on the traitor at night. But the thing about the traitor was, once I was discovered, the Mafia Compulsive Vig also fell with me, since the Compulsive Vig hit me night 2 and did not kill me. We can use the traitor as a way to link in other roles and drag down mafia. This is an effective way to use our blues and also to confirm a lot of people up top. Two Key Facts about the traitor/copycat 1. The traitor/copycat is a role pick and has no other special powers- The Role Cop could be a great way to find the traitor and Copy Cat. In addition.the traitor won't be able to do what they normally want to do. We can then use this to verify a lot of the people on the list. Here's the Plan. Deconduo will shoot LayOffRageIf LayOffRage is killed, deconduo is probably not the traitor. Kenpachi will shoot Amber[Light]. Amber[Light] will Roleblock Kenpachi. If Amber[Light] is the traitor, he won't have the Roleblock ability and will die Kitaman27 will be checked by the Bullet Bill. Kitaman27 should have a gun. If he doesn't he's the traitor. Barundar will be checked by the Rolecop. Insta vertification if Barundar is Copycat/Traitor Fishball will be Tracked. Since Fishball has a role, he should be visiting someone. Night 2, we then will check the remaining people Jackal58, CubEdIn and Kenpachi A short summary2. The traitor if hit by a mafia member at night will be converted- The best way to verify our CPR doc and Vig is by having them kill the traitor for us. If they are unable to do it, it could be a way to confirm them. Once we found a traitor. It's Better for the town to use nightkills on it. This is the reason I voted Kenpachi. If he comes up as the CC then we know 4 other people are being honest.
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On January 12 2011 04:52 LSB wrote:About the Traitor I would like to talk about my experiences as a traitor in PYP2. The key thing I did was kept the town on the topic of the traitor and tried to waste the day lynches on the traitor. This worked, and it was a great way to waste lynches. Instead of wasting our day discussion talking about who is traitor or who is not, we should just focus on other things and work on the traitor at night. But the thing about the traitor was, once I was discovered, the Mafia Compulsive Vig also fell with me, since the Compulsive Vig hit me night 2 and did not kill me. We can use the traitor as a way to link in other roles and drag down mafia. This is an effective way to use our blues and also to confirm a lot of people up top. Two Key Facts about the traitor/copycat 1. The traitor/copycat is a role pick and has no other special powers- The Role Cop could be a great way to find the traitor and Copy Cat. In addition.the traitor won't be able to do what they normally want to do. We can then use this to verify a lot of the people on the list. Here's the Plan. Deconduo will shoot LayOffRageIf LayOffRage is killed, deconduo is probably not the traitor. Kenpachi will shoot Amber[Light]. Amber[Light] will Roleblock Kenpachi. If Amber[Light] is the traitor, he won't have the Roleblock ability and will die Kitaman27 will be checked by the Bullet Bill. Kitaman27 should have a gun. If he doesn't he's the traitor. Barundar will be checked by the Rolecop. Insta vertification if Barundar is Copycat/Traitor Fishball will be Tracked. Since Fishball has a role, he should be visiting someone. Night 2, we then will check the remaining people Jackal58, CubEdIn and Kenpachi A short summary2. The traitor if hit by a mafia member at night will be converted- The best way to verify our CPR doc and Vig is by having them kill the traitor for us. If they are unable to do it, it could be a way to confirm them. Once we found a traitor. It's Better for the town to use nightkills on it.
Cool that you posted this just when my lunch break is coming to an end. I'll try to make it brief and straight to the key points.
- "Stirring-up-the-Traitor" topic in PYP2 was already mentioned in my other post, and your post further supports my logic, especially with you being the Traitor in that game. There is one flaw regarding the CV falling with you, as the CV was predicted to fall sooner or later, and hitting the CV was never actually a deciding factor. Regardless, it doesn't affect this game, and you can PM me after the game if you want to discuss. - If Deconduo can shock LayOffRage, he can't be the Traitor right? Not "probably not".
Anyways, I think you're way ahead of yourself right now. We need to lynch somebody first, and you're already talking about Night, and assigning actions to everyone. I don't mind you thinking about Night, but you need take account of Day as well. You really want to take charge of the game and tell everyone what to do, do you? For good or bad, this will be an extremely hard feat.
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LSB, a slight problem with your list:
What if Kenpachi says "oh I tried shooting Amber but I was blocked" when in fact he is not JOAT. How can that be verified?
Also, if they are both scum (but Kenpachi NOT lying about his role), this would clear them both up after Kenpachi being role checked. We need to devote some extra time to this if something doesn't happen after night 1. But I like the general idea.
As for the lynch, I still see no good reason to change to LoR. Aidnai seems just as good a target so far, and if we lynch a townie at least we're not killing a very promising one.
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Ummm... ok. Seems very convenient that he's got the one role we can't really lynch on day 1 but fine. ##unvote aidnai ##vote LayOffRage
Note that we should not allow focus to come off aidnai though.
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About jimbo, his plan may have been worse, it may not have been. I honestly couldn't tell (didn't have time to figure it out and it's moot now). But the way he attacked me looks to me like townie who is taking himself too seriously. Even though I'm sure mafia want me lynched, they don't have motivation to be the name you remember afterwards when I flip green. They'll be the ones that sheep along with the crowd, not the ones screaming and raging. So no, I wouldn't support a jimbo lynch.
I'm thinking over your plan LSB. Once again, we're talking about finding and exposing every single power role town has. In a normal game this is horrible, why is it good now?
One last thought (trying to keep my thoughts together so I'm not always quadruple posting), we can actually use the cpr doc as a doctor on the night that I use my ability. This would be a way to confirm several of our blues while killing a lot less people.
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On January 12 2011 05:21 CubEdIn wrote: LSB, a slight problem with your list:
What if Kenpachi says "oh I tried shooting Amber but I was blocked" when in fact he is not JOAT. How can that be verified? Kenpachi is not vertified. This is why I included Kenpachi in the list of "who to vertify night 2"
On January 12 2011 05:17 Fishball wrote: - "Stirring-up-the-Traitor" topic in PYP2 was already mentioned in my other post, and your post further supports my logic, especially with you being the Traitor in that game. There is one flaw regarding the CV falling with you, as the CV was predicted to fall sooner or later, and hitting the CV was never actually a deciding factor. Regardless, it doesn't affect this game, and you can PM me after the game if you want to discuss. By my logic I am saying that we should make No traitor related lynches at all. Unless it comes with analysis. Jimbosilvers is someone I want to flip. I was expecting someone to come up with a plan. But not one that does the exact same thing that I does, but worse. It seems like the mafia just stuck Jimbo out there to try to cause confusion on role picks
Also, if they are both scum (but Kenpachi NOT lying about his role), this would clear them both up after Kenpachi being role checked. We need to devote some extra time to this if something doesn't happen after night 1. But I like the general idea.
As for the lynch, I still see no good reason to change to LoR. Aidnai seems just as good a target so far, and if we lynch a townie at least we're not killing a very promising one. Why change from LoR? As you put it best
- If Deconduo can shock LayOffRage, he can't be the Traitor right? Not "probably not".
Anyways, I think you're way ahead of yourself right now. We need to lynch somebody first, and you're already talking about Night, and assigning actions to everyone. I don't mind you thinking about Night, but you need take account of Day as well. You really want to take charge of the game and tell everyone what to do, do you? For good or bad, this will be an extremely hard feat.
Just showing that it's possible to confirm people at night. Of course it will be a group effort
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On January 12 2011 05:24 CubEdIn wrote: Ummm... ok. Seems very convenient that he's got the one role we can't really lynch on day 1 but fine. ##unvote aidnai ##vote LayOffRage
Note that we should not allow focus to come off aidnai though. He was assigned that role.
On January 12 2011 05:28 aidnai wrote: About jimbo, his plan may have been worse, it may not have been. I honestly couldn't tell (didn't have time to figure it out and it's moot now). But the way he attacked me looks to me like townie who is taking himself too seriously. Even though I'm sure mafia want me lynched, they don't have motivation to be the name you remember afterwards when I flip green. They'll be the ones that sheep along with the crowd, not the ones screaming and raging. So no, I wouldn't support a jimbo lynch. Because Mafia totally did that in XXXV. As for jimbo, I think he's trying to pass off as what you are saying.
I'm thinking over your plan LSB. Once again, we're talking about finding and exposing every single power role town has. In a normal game this is horrible, why is it good now? Well, the power roles are already exposed. We know where they are. (Hint, 2,4,6)
One last thought (trying to keep my thoughts together so I'm not always quadruple posting), we can actually use the cpr doc as a doctor on the night that I use my ability. This would be a way to confirm several of our blues while killing a lot less people. Dunno if this will work (Since your ability take place after everyone submits their actions I believe) maybe ask ace?
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Actually, now that I think about it. What do you guys think about Deconduo shocking Jackal58, and lynching RoL now?
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On January 12 2011 05:03 Eiii wrote: GGQ has been quiet, but it looks like he was quiet in XXXV as well-- and he /in'd as a replacement, it's not like he jumped on this game right away.
Yeah, I've been quiet in all my games here and I've been town in all my games here. I don't like spamming threads, and I don't think that should be necessary to establish your pro-town status. I think I did a pretty good job in XXXV, where a couple people analysed my posts and found me to be almost certainly town. Hopefully I can do the same in this game.
I don't feel great about any of the proposed lynches. There's one thing I want to address: aidnai said above that Jimbo was unlikely to be mafia because he's pushing so hard for a lynch day 1. I want to point out that annul (as mafia) did exactly that in XXXV, counting on the town to have attitudes like yours, I guess.
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On January 12 2011 05:33 LSB wrote: Actually, now that I think about it. What do you guys think about Deconduo shocking Jackal58, and lynching RoL now? I don't like that plan at all.
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On January 12 2011 05:28 LSB wrote: By my logic I am saying that we should make No traitor related lynches at all. Unless it comes with analysis. Jimbosilvers is someone I want to flip. I was expecting someone to come up with a plan. But not one that does the exact same thing that I does, but worse. It seems like the mafia just stuck Jimbo out there to try to cause confusion on role picks
I did come up with a plan, and it does comes with analysis. I'll quote myself from here since a lot of people seems to have missed this.
On January 11 2011 14:23 Fishball wrote: Right now, I propose to lynch "LayOffRage" for three reasons. - Eliminates the possibility that he is Traitor himself crying wolf. - If he dies and flips Vanilla, the Copy Cat (alignment unknown) will not get any surprising powers. This also proves that there is indeed a Traitor among the top 8, and the Town should be aware. - Eliminates the chance of losing a power role for Town, unlike other lynch targets.
Just because you want a certain player to flip, and no one proposes anything similar to what you had in mind, doesn't necessarily make other plan worse.
On January 12 2011 05:28 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +Also, if they are both scum (but Kenpachi NOT lying about his role), this would clear them both up after Kenpachi being role checked. We need to devote some extra time to this if something doesn't happen after night 1. But I like the general idea.
As for the lynch, I still see no good reason to change to LoR. Aidnai seems just as good a target so far, and if we lynch a townie at least we're not killing a very promising one. Why change from LoR? As you put it best Show nested quote +- If Deconduo can shock LayOffRage, he can't be the Traitor right? Not "probably not".
What change from LoR? I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't say the first quote. You're thinking of someone else.
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What happens if we do send Deconduo to LayOffRage and the mafia hits him and he's traitor does the CPR Doctor kill him or save him?
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Okay, just so we can work on a new plan, i will anounce i didnt follow LSB's plan. i felt it was too restricted so i am not JOAT
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also, im curious to know how the hell im scummy this game?
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LSB, Your plan requires a bunch of people to have followed your drafting plan. I'm under the impression that quite a few people did not, myself included. Those who did not follow your plan decided not to because they felt revealing what they picked was a poor choice. Now you're trying to force them all to confirm their role, thus making them all targets for the scum to go after. You shouldn't be making players confirm their role if they haven't even claimed what they've taken yet.
On January 12 2011 05:33 LSB wrote: Actually, now that I think about it. What do you guys think about Deconduo shocking Jackal58, and lynching RoL now? This I can agree with. Each of these players have made a claim, with this course of action, it will tell us if they are lying or not.
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On January 12 2011 06:27 Beneather wrote: What happens if we do send Deconduo to LayOffRage and the mafia hits him and he's traitor does the CPR Doctor kill him or save him?
This is how I understand it:
If LayOffRage is indeed traitor and decon shocks him then he dies If LayOffRage is indeed traitor and decon shocks him while mafia hits him also then he lives, and he converts to mafia.
@Kenpachi People seem to think you're scummy no matter what you do, lol. Although at the #2 spot not picking JOAT is a giant FoS imo.
On January 12 2011 05:33 LSB wrote: Actually, now that I think about it. What do you guys think about Deconduo shocking Jackal58, and lynching RoL now?
Out of all the plans you've come up with LSB I actually think this is the most sensible one. In order to confirm decon we're going to need a sheep to sacrifice and its probably best to sacrifice a vanilla in order to test that decon did get CPR (sorry Jackal). We should quickly verify the top people by night 1 especially decon.
As for lynch - with the good spread of votes between multiple candidates I think one of them probably is scum. None of the arguments towards LoR or aidnai have been particularly convincing to me but if I had to choose one I'd pick LoR just on the basis of aidnai having the more important role which can tell us a shitload of info after night 1.
Having said that I will place my vote a bit later tonight.
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On January 12 2011 07:20 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 06:27 Beneather wrote: What happens if we do send Deconduo to LayOffRage and the mafia hits him and he's traitor does the CPR Doctor kill him or save him? This is how I understand it: If LayOffRage is indeed traitor and decon shocks him then he dies If LayOffRage is indeed traitor and decon shocks him while mafia hits him also then he lives, and he converts to mafia. @Kenpachi People seem to think you're scummy no matter what you do, lol. Although at the #2 spot not picking JOAT is a giant FoS imo. Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 05:33 LSB wrote: Actually, now that I think about it. What do you guys think about Deconduo shocking Jackal58, and lynching RoL now? Out of all the plans you've come up with LSB I actually think this is the most sensible one. In order to confirm decon we're going to need a sheep to sacrifice and its probably best to sacrifice a vanilla in order to test that decon did get CPR (sorry Jackal). We should quickly verify the top people by night 1 especially decon. As for lynch - with the good spread of votes between multiple candidates I think one of them probably is scum. None of the arguments towards LoR or aidnai have been particularly convincing to me but if I had to choose one I'd pick LoR just on the basis of aidnai having the more important role which can tell us a shitload of info after night 1. Having said that I will place my vote a bit later tonight. Now that i think about it, i doubt anyone would have chosen JOAT for draftpick. Its a sensible pick at #2 but i didnt go for it.. So people who said they didnt get their role probably got it instead.
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Why would anyone else pick JOAT when you were suppose to take it?
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