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Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
January 11 2011 19:28 GMT
#561
Ah thats why you all want to kill him? Honestly don't see why he is scum just beceause he tells us about a traitor further up the draft, and accuses fishball. But hey, I'm not exactly a RoL expert...
Bartundar
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 19:29:17
January 11 2011 19:29 GMT
#562
It's actually Lee H. Wemalf, a famous general in the Civil War.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:32 GMT
#563
We have a couple lurkers so far.

I've never played with you zeks and don't know your style, but it's time to start posting more.
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On January 07 2011 10:08 zeks wrote:
last time we had a plan and we still had 2 people pick traitor within the top 6 if i remember correctly


On January 09 2011 07:01 zeks wrote:
I randomed as well.

As town we're all just as effective with or without powerful roles - its just a matter of how you use it. Besides after the draft results come out we'll still have time to figure out a better plan if need be.

I actually like the PYP2 plan with the percentages and what not, just so theres not a clear cut drafting order for scum/SKs to easily exploit. I know as SK last PYP I really contemplated what to pick from that plan and it made it tougher for me.


On January 09 2011 12:36 zeks wrote:
I was [3][1].


On January 10 2011 08:58 zeks wrote:
According to LSB's plan I'm supposed to take Tracker - and for many reasons others have listed I'm not going to follow it fully.

As a cover my ass tactic I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch.


On January 10 2011 12:50 zeks wrote:
Finger of suspicion like Fishball said


On January 11 2011 09:35 zeks wrote:
We should be using CPR as an extra town lynch. Infact the CPR should be working with town goals and not randomly hitting people every night - so even if decon is infact scum we can still control his power or risk himself getting lynched.


On January 11 2011 13:06 zeks wrote:
##abstain

incase i somehow dont get to vote tomorrow

day 1 pardon = no



And you Jackal58, I thought you were an obvious green read in MafiaXXXV despite posting infrequently, but I haven't got the same read from you here yet. Please help us out and pick up the pace a bit.
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On January 07 2011 12:03 Jackal58 wrote:
Thanks man. All that would load for me this afternoon was the banner.
And role confirmed.

On January 09 2011 22:37 Jackal58 wrote:
[6] [9]

i shall attempt to stick to LSBs plan but I'm still not sure how this all works yet.

On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim

In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim.

I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order.

On January 11 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 11 2011 05:10 HaploPaithan wrote:
Yes, I think we should know what he picked before we make a decision.

I don't think we're going to find out anytime soon unless we lynch him.

On January 11 2011 19:21 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.

But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.

1 of the 4 above me is the copy cat. I'm just green.

On January 11 2011 19:27 Jackal58 wrote:



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On January 11 2011 16:24 Barundar wrote:
I’m not convinced on aidnai. In HPmafia he posted one liners, discussed setup in thread etc., and it was easy to direct the day 1 lynch on to him. This post is from when he was actually scum and was being pressured in ExMiMa: + Show Spoiler +
On December 01 2010 14:53 aidnai wrote:
So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time).

Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts:

RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit.

Verdict: townie vs. townie.

Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet.

Verdict: townie vs. townie.

That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted:
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On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote:
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.

##Vote Fishball


Hell, the game just started.

What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that!

For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this.

As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it... So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all.


Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests.
And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date:
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On December 01 2010 04:53 Fishball wrote:
Huh? Coag is still on the list.

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On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote:
Nevermind, I missed your first post above.


Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all.

on that note:
##vote fishball

P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_-


I like Fishball’s suggestion of a policy lynch on LayOffRage, but we could also use the pardoner for a 0 lynch, and let mafia decide the CopyCat role. The reasons for this plan is:

First, we know where the CopyCat role is, since Jackal58 said he would follow LSB’s plan. When mafia pick off one of our power roles, he should receive it, and they will have to waste a hit on him night 2 as well. If Jackal58 is still alive on day 3, we can lynch his ass (or he can put the role to use).

Second, if Jackal58 is lying about picking CopyCat, we found our traitor. We might have lost an important power role to the real copy cat, but we got one red down. It’s a loss of a role for a red, which is in my opinion a decent trade, as long as deconduo and kitaman are medic protected.

It would be nice to hear from Jackal58 if he can actually confirm he got the CopyCat role.


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On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim

In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim.

I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order.


I probably should have made this clearer. I did not get copy cat. That is the role I picked per LSBs list but I am just vanilla green. 1 of the 4 above me on the draft list is copy cat.

On January 11 2011 22:53 Jackal58 wrote:
## Vote Kenpachi



The worst offender so far: GGQ. Joined the game the 8th, has <6 total posts!? And all of them content free, of course.
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On January 08 2011 11:02 GGQ wrote:
/confirm

I'm not going to pretend I have the experience or mafia skill to judge any plan. If there's one being used, I'll follow it. It does seem to me that a plan is better than no plan by a large margin, though.

On January 09 2011 11:40 GGQ wrote:
I picked [5][3].

Low spot ftl.

On January 10 2011 12:53 GGQ wrote:
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On January 10 2011 12:48 HaploPaithan wrote:
Sorry, what does FoS stand for?


As Fishball said, it's a 'finger of suspicion'. It's a mafia term that you use to point out someone that you think is suspicious when you don't have the evidence to call him mafia for certain.

On January 11 2011 05:02 GGQ wrote:
deconduo, you said that there was a mistake and that you did, in fact, get the role you asked for. You said before the draft that you were going to pick CPR doc. Can you confirm that this is now your role, or did you random for your pick like your earlier plan? We want to keep track of CPR doc.

On January 11 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:
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On January 11 2011 12:56 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.

But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.


At the same time, if the copycat is scum, then pardoning the day one lynch gives the mafia the role of their choice. Either way, would like hear more from Jackal.

##Vote LayOffRage

Maybe this might motivate him join the discussion.


Mafia only gets the role of their choice if they can predict what everyone chose, which may be difficult considering how many people said they weren't going to follow a role picking plan.

I want to hear LayOffRage's reason for calling Fishball the traitor. Was it supposed to be a joke, or do you have some secret reasoning?



We need to hear more from these people to be able to get a good read. I also am having a hard time reading haplopaithan, even though he's posted roughly twice as much as the above.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:35 GMT
#564
On January 12 2011 04:20 Fishball wrote:
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On January 12 2011 03:52 aidnai wrote:
On January 12 2011 02:54 HaploPaithan wrote:
Since layoffrage and Aidnai are our two most likely targets, why don't we lynch layoffrage and then have deconduo kill off aidnai tonight. We really need to start discussing who to use CPR on tonight. Since we seem to want to kill both these players this seems to be the best solution.


Since we can't decide if any of these people are scum, let's kill them all! that way we can race towards lylo even more quickly than normal! brilliant plan.

Kitaman: jimbo already found the important fact. LayOffRage's only previous game was in smurf mafia. I'm sorry to him for bringing this fact out in the open, but seriously, that much info is not hard to come by. And yes, I know who it is from playing with him in a previous game.


Huh? It's not like it's a huge secret LayOffRage is RoL.


Meh, I thought it was pretty obvious myself, but if he wanted to sign up as a smurf, I figured it'd be pretty lame of me to tell everyone (I guess a lot of people didn't know).
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 11 2011 19:36 GMT
#565
On January 12 2011 04:28 Barundar wrote:
Ah thats why you all want to kill him? Honestly don't see why he is scum just beceause he tells us about a traitor further up the draft, and accuses fishball. But hey, I'm not exactly a RoL expert...


I mean, this post alone should ring a bell. LoR only has 48 posts, and is an "experienced" player huh.

On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.


But LoR being RoL has nothing to do with "us" wanting to kill him. Right now, only Bum and me have stated our reasons why we should lynch LoR. The majority is jumping on the aidnai train.
靈魂交響曲
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 20:08:44
January 11 2011 19:40 GMT
#566
Day 1 lynch

With 22 alive, it is 11 to lynch!


aidnai(4)
Jimbosilvers
bumatlarge
Pigsquirrel
CubEdIn
kitaman27


LayOffRage(5)
kitaman27
bumatlarge
Fishball
deconduo
BloodyC0bbler
HaploPaithan


Fishball(2)
LayOffRage
Misder

Kenpachi(2)
Barundar
Jackal58


No Lynch/Abstain(2)
zeks
Kenpachi

Not voting yet (7) - aidnai, Eiii, GGQ, Amber[LighT], LSB, Divinek, Beneather


Voting ends in 8 hours 20 minutes from this post @ 11:00 PM ET/ 13:00 KST
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:43 GMT
#567
OMG Jimbo, bloodyc0bbler says LoR is experienced, but he only played one game! something doesn't smell right!

Fishball, the three I just posted about have <10 posts a piece. I happen to know that LoR has spent a lot of time on mafia the past few days, between team mini mafia, merc mini mafia, and this, 48 posts is pretty damn good imo.

Also, bloodyc0bbler is absolutely correct that you three are the most experienced in this game, and therefore for balance purposes are likely to not all have the same alignment. However, killing any of you for that reason alone is idiotic. It may make sense to BC because he "know's he's town", but for the rest of us it makes no sense at all.

If we were to kill you and you flipped town, then what? do we kill LoR and BC as well until he hit a red? now we have no more experienced players in the game? wonderful...
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:45 GMT
#568
lol you must have been joking because you have 39 posts and BC has like 17
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 11 2011 19:47 GMT
#569
Ok sorry I finally understand what you meant fishball. You were pointing out that BC called LoR an experienced player. I been smoking that stuff I got from beneather...
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 11 2011 19:48 GMT
#570
On January 12 2011 04:32 aidnai wrote:
We need to hear more from these people to be able to get a good read. I also am having a hard time reading haplopaithan, even though he's posted roughly twice as much as the above.


Aside from that FoS term, HaploPaithan has been alright. The stuff he says are logical to me, he has been pretty civil, and doesn't get intimidated. I like players like him.
靈魂交響曲
Pigsquirrel
Profile Joined August 2009
United States615 Posts
January 11 2011 19:50 GMT
#571
##unvote Aidnai
##LayOffRage

LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 11 2011 19:52 GMT
#572
About the Traitor

I would like to talk about my experiences as a traitor in PYP2.

The key thing I did was kept the town on the topic of the traitor and tried to waste the day lynches on the traitor. This worked, and it was a great way to waste lynches.

Instead of wasting our day discussion talking about who is traitor or who is not, we should just focus on other things and work on the traitor at night.

But the thing about the traitor was, once I was discovered, the Mafia Compulsive Vig also fell with me, since the Compulsive Vig hit me night 2 and did not kill me.

We can use the traitor as a way to link in other roles and drag down mafia. This is an effective way to use our blues and also to confirm a lot of people up top.

Two Key Facts about the traitor/copycat

1. The traitor/copycat is a role pick and has no other special powers- The Role Cop could be a great way to find the traitor and Copy Cat. In addition.the traitor won't be able to do what they normally want to do.

We can then use this to verify a lot of the people on the list. Here's the Plan.

Deconduo will shoot LayOffRage
If LayOffRage is killed, deconduo is probably not the traitor.

Kenpachi will shoot Amber[Light]. Amber[Light] will Roleblock Kenpachi.
If Amber[Light] is the traitor, he won't have the Roleblock ability and will die

Kitaman27 will be checked by the Bullet Bill. Kitaman27 should have a gun. If he doesn't he's the traitor.

Barundar will be checked by the Rolecop. Insta vertification if Barundar is Copycat/Traitor

Fishball will be Tracked. Since Fishball has a role, he should be visiting someone.

Night 2, we then will check the remaining people Jackal58, CubEdIn and Kenpachi

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A short summary

2. The traitor if hit by a mafia member at night will be converted- The best way to verify our CPR doc and Vig is by having them kill the traitor for us. If they are unable to do it, it could be a way to confirm them.
Once we found a traitor. It's Better for the town to use nightkills on it.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 11 2011 19:53 GMT
#573
aidnai. Can you please roleclaim?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 11 2011 19:54 GMT
#574
##Vote aidnai
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 11 2011 19:57 GMT
#575
On January 12 2011 04:36 Fishball wrote:
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On January 12 2011 04:28 Barundar wrote:
Ah thats why you all want to kill him? Honestly don't see why he is scum just beceause he tells us about a traitor further up the draft, and accuses fishball. But hey, I'm not exactly a RoL expert...


I mean, this post alone should ring a bell. LoR only has 48 posts, and is an "experienced" player huh.

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On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.


But LoR being RoL has nothing to do with "us" wanting to kill him. Right now, only Bum and me have stated our reasons why we should lynch LoR. The majority is jumping on the aidnai train.

(I don't want to quote your giant post so I'll just do this one)

I agree that LoR should be killed as soon as possible, but why should we prefer a lynch over a nightkill?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 11 2011 19:59 GMT
#576
LSB, who do you want to lynch if you want to wait until night to kill LOR?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 11 2011 20:03 GMT
#577
Ugh, I don't know who to go with here. I don't feel like aidnai is a good lynch because he hasn't really done anything to deserve it. Yeah fishball called him out and he didn't react well to the pressure, and the whole defending LoR thing looked scummy for a second until people figured out that LoR is RoL. But nothing really jumps to mind that he's done.
LoR's getting votes for claiming he tried to pick traitor, but I don't see what lynching him accomplishes. If he's telling the truth, then we lynch a green and mafia gets to decide what role copycat gets (assuming their lynches go first at night, I'm not 100% how that works tbh) which is potentially dangerous. If he's lying and he did pick traitor then great, now we have a traitor copycat. With CC being in the top 4 (assuming jackal's telling the truth of course) then I wouldn't be surprised if a townie just made a dumb decision and picked it to deny mafia the role for some reason. Actually, let me rephrase: I wouldn't be surprised if kenpachi (as a townie) made a dumb decision and picked CC second.
...but, even though ken's being questionable for the third game in a row, he's such a high pick that on the chance he played this one well and picked a powerful role lynching him would be a really risky move this early on, before we know more about him.
Fishball's attracting votes because he's being loud and accusing people, but that's to be expected.
GGQ has been quiet, but it looks like he was quiet in XXXV as well-- and he /in'd as a replacement, it's not like he jumped on this game right away.

...so I guess aidnai is the best vote for the time being? It's at least not very risky, I guess. I'll be the first to jump off this bandwagon if something better pops up in the next eight hours, though :/

##vote aidnai
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 11 2011 20:03 GMT
#578
oh shit there was a lot of activity in the time it took me to write up that post
:3
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 11 2011 20:09 GMT
#579
In this order. I'd most like to lynch Jimbosilvers. Least like to lynch Jackel58.

Jimbosilvers-
1. He proposed a counterplan that was worse than mine and didn't even attempt to fix anything.
He kept on pushing it even though he couldn't answer the flaws I pointed out. This isn't an effort because he thinks he's right. This is because he wants to cause confusion during the drafting phase as to what plan we were going to do.

2. He's hard pushing aidnai. Remember, aidnai is a witch, a very good pro town role. I want to have witch information since it could confirm a few people. It's a really dumb idea to lose this role day 1
In addition, aidnai was busy (he had a good excuse), and aidnai isn't that great at being townlike. I flaged him as scum in Team Mafia and was wrong. Jimbosilvers seems to be going after the easy kill


aidnai- If he is not the witch. I'm voting him because I want him to roleclaim


Jackel58- I really don't believe that someone would take Copycat that early. However this probably can be rolechecked to clear it up.


If people are actually willing to support a Jimbosilvers lynch I'll look in and do a full analysis.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 11 2011 20:09 GMT
#580
^ That was in response to this post
On January 12 2011 04:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
LSB, who do you want to lynch if you want to wait until night to kill LOR?

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
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