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On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched.
1 of the 4 above me is the copy cat. I'm just green.
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On January 11 2011 16:24 Barundar wrote:I’m not convinced on aidnai. In HPmafia he posted one liners, discussed setup in thread etc., and it was easy to direct the day 1 lynch on to him. This post is from when he was actually scum and was being pressured in ExMiMa: + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 14:53 aidnai wrote:So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time). Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts: RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit. Verdict: townie vs. townie. Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet. Verdict: townie vs. townie. That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote:
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.
##Vote Fishball Hell, the game just started. What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that! For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this. As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it...  So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all. Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests. And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date: Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote:
Nevermind, I missed your first post above. Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all. on that note: ##vote fishballP.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_- I like Fishball’s suggestion of a policy lynch on LayOffRage, but we could also use the pardoner for a 0 lynch, and let mafia decide the CopyCat role. The reasons for this plan is: First, we know where the CopyCat role is, since Jackal58 said he would follow LSB’s plan. When mafia pick off one of our power roles, he should receive it, and they will have to waste a hit on him night 2 as well. If Jackal58 is still alive on day 3, we can lynch his ass (or he can put the role to use). Second, if Jackal58 is lying about picking CopyCat, we found our traitor. We might have lost an important power role to the real copy cat, but we got one red down. It’s a loss of a role for a red, which is in my opinion a decent trade, as long as deconduo and kitaman are medic protected. It would be nice to hear from Jackal58 if he can actually confirm he got the CopyCat role.
On January 10 2011 23:40 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. I suspect it was due to Ace re-posting the draft order.
I probably should have made this clearer. I did not get copy cat. That is the role I picked per LSBs list but I am just vanilla green. 1 of the 4 above me on the draft list is copy cat.
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Well kitaman and deconduo can prove their class. That leaves me and kenpachi as copy cat, and it ain't me.
Lol why is kenpachi always so scummy.
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So the main suggested lynches for today are Aidnai, LayoffRage and Fishball.
From what I see the cases against them are as follows:
Fishball:
LayoffRage says he's Traitor, but hasn't shown any evidence apart from the fact that he tried to pick traitor and didn't get it. This means (if he's telling the truth) that theres 8 choices for traitor and he feels fishball is the most likely. From what I see theres no additional evidence? I only had time to do a quick skim so I'm not too sure. Either way, the case against him seems flimsy, but I'm happy to be shown otherwise.
LayoffRage:
Produced a slim case against Fishball and appears to be tunnelling him. Also bum did some maths thing which suggested he's the better lynch.
Aidnai:
Apathetic townie that wants to die imo, I would say he's VI if such a role existed in this game. I don't think any mafia would be as emo as he is being.
For me, its tough to pick between them. Its possible that they are all town, with 2 of them just being dumb/stubborn. However, I haven't seen Fishball do anything to suggest he's traitor, so I'm going to vote for LoR. Aidnai is tempting too, just to get rid of someone who will be no help in this game. Even if he town, mafia can probably push the lynch onto him to stop one of their own getting lynched at any point.
##Vote LayoffRage
On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch.
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For me it's easy. Aidnai isn't posting any different from his usual style, LayOffRage gave town useful information that noone seems to deny, and well fishball is maybe traitor, but I'm not entirely certain of him.
In short none of those lynches convinces me.
Kenpachi however picks a scum role over JOAT. He got one of the few unique numbers in the 1-7 number range, where most of the players where placing their votes, and he tries to hide his pick with skillful deception such as this:
On January 11 2011 13:55 Kenpachi wrote:we dont.
My vote is on kenpachi untill someone convinces me of a better target.
##Vote Kenpachi
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well unless everyone agrees that both adinai and lor should die, i don't see any other possible targets for now. But it may not be a bad idea to zap someone so you can prove your role. But that can wait till night time.
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I think you should use your ability as a NK vs a saver ability. Think about the chances of you saving someone vs killing someone. Your ability has better usage for town KP when we want to snipe mafia members, or to ensure their death.
I don't think LoR should be lynched. It's obvious who should be lynched, as we don't have any conclusive evidence of their role choice or the choice of another players: Kenpachi & Barundar
He (Kenpachi) is playing scummy and defensive, which isn't all of a shock from his normal play. Chances are he probably is the copy cat. We have to weigh the possibilities that he's actually is the copy cat. Do we want him to have that power activated? I think since we've wasted time cornering the possible copy cat allowing him to obtain a usage for his role would be wasteful as he's going to be a sure-fire target for night 1, granted we accidentally list a power role today. Do we also want that power role in the hands of a mafia member?
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btw I think you should use.... I was referring to Deconduo
Sry 
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##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
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Even if Kenpachi did actually take CC. It doesn't make him scum. Not following LSB's plan does not make you scum, since there wasn't a consensus on everyone following it. Though he probably should have taken JOAT as its so powerful.
On that note, I did not choose pardoner. Anyone making plans with the pardoner should stop. It's a bad idea. We most likely do not have a pardoner. If we do, then it is probably a scum that has it, and we can not hold him accountable, so if he does not want to pardon, all he has to do is pretend he is not the pardoner.
I have to agree with bum and the rest voting for layoffrage. He seems to be the best target for me as well.
##vote layoffrage
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On January 11 2011 15:37 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 14:30 Fishball wrote:On January 10 2011 13:44 Misder wrote:On January 10 2011 13:26 HaploPaithan wrote:
For the same reason no one liked LSB's plan. It lets scum know where the roles to target are. I guess, but if you didn't get the role, wouldn't it help the town to figure out who took it and didn't follow the plan? I'm with HaploPaithan here. Your logic just makes me think more and more that you are red. Hey BC, you should tell your muscles to stay low. Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 14:23 Fishball wrote:
For my draft pick, I was assigned Medic. If I were to pick Traitor, why would I want to announce that I would pick another role before hand? Would it not be better if I did it secretly? Keep in mind, the most convenient way for the Traitor to get recruited is to be hit by the Mafia. If I stuck with the plan, as a medic, wouldn't that increase the chances of me getting hit thus getting recruited? My play thus far has been fairly vocal. Radical accusations, yes, but not entirely without reason. Look at one of those main candidates for lynch, aidnai; Who was the first one to bring him up? BC haven't posted, misder submerged after a brief counter attack, etc.. From what I've seen in the past 24 hours, I've received rather negative reception from the town. Now why would the Mafia want to hit or use their powers on a target like me, a self proclaimed non-medic player, with a small target on top of his head? If I were the Traitor, this serves me no good. I feel an obligation to defend myself here. 1) I don't have time like you do to be able to read this forum until late at night unless on weekends, so "submerged" is not really the appropriate term. The reason why I didn't say anything after you fosed me was that I wasn't even on. 2) The reason I asked that question was basically, LSB's plan was already giving mafia all the info anyways. So naturally, if most people followed the plan, mafia would be the only ones who know who doesn't have their roles, which means that town is at a disadvantage here. I'm pretty sure I understand why people don't like it- because it gives mafia a place to target- but if mafia already knows, then theres no point is suppressing it. So what's illogical about that? 3) I still feel that your early game play is very questionable- and likely scum- as per my previous analysis 4) The reason you wanted to lynch aidnai in the first place was because of # and one post. I'm not saying that he's not scumlike- just that the reason you brought it up wasn't really analysis. 5)Also BC- you didn't even have an original reasoning- again, not saying he's not scumlike, but you didn't make it based off of not posting 6) You stated pregame that you were likely not going to follow LSB. So if you did suddenly say, I might follow it, that's suspicious in itself. You don't need to be medic to increase chances- the way you play already gives the impression that you are not town-aligned- mafia would target you. Either your town and mafia kills a veteran mafia player, or your traitor and mafia gets another member. After reading guides, I learned that we should be focusing on scumhunting, not informative stuff so I'm going with my gut here and ##Vote Fishball
Every time your name is brought up, you re-merge. Yes I like to use that word.
1. Everyone has their own schedule. I have a full time job too. I even got myself modkilled in Insane Mafia due to unforeseen circumstances. Time is one thing. But timing on the other hand... Every time your name is brought up, poof.
2. What question? You lost me here.
3. So are my accusations. So the accused is also accusing the accuser of being scummy. Nothing new here. If you have valid points, people will follow. That's all I have to say.
4. Woah, I think you're a bit ahead of yourself here. I never once said "I wanted to lynch aidnai". I only brought him up because he was part of a picture that I had see as abnormal, no matter how minor it is. It generates discussion, and this has already been proven. Unlike some dude who doesn't have "time" and "isn't here".
5. No original reasoning? I'm not going to repeat myself for the third time. Go re-read my posts in the thread. Look at zeks, ignoring my finger pointing. If you're truly innocent you wouldn't need to worry about my ever so soft accusations. All I'm doing is throwing little rocks into the lake; It causes ripples, but sometimes tsunami happens.
6. You may have a point regarding my pre-game comment. Just keep in mind I won't know which spot I would end up as until after the draft. If you still don't get it, I've also said it before, numerous times, pre-game and during the game, that Radfield's plan in PYP2 was more viable due to a certain degree of uncertainty for drafts. Hopefully you won't need me to spill it out.
You also say my play gives the impression of not being town aligned; I have already admitted my play was unorthodox (This is a game after all, and for once, I would like to friggin enjoy it), but far from being scummy. I've already explained my motives, logic, and plan in detail, in my previous post. If you don't see any of that, even a little bit, as being "town aligned", and just counter attack me every time you see your name being brought up, I have nothing left to say. Let the Town decide.
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On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
I think you just copied and pasted from Fishball's Accusations 101 for Dummies.
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On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
Lol that has to be the most garbage reasoning for lynching someone posted in this thread so far.
Isn't building your own credibility a scum move?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I suggest the real copy cat come forward with an explanation of your selection (Kenpachi?). Jackal58 could be another possible role cop target to verify he is not lying. We need to know where the copy cat lies so if you don't want to claim now, then you will probably get yourself killed the moment you are discovered.
aidnai is acting rather scummy and still hasn't addressed my request. With the possibility of a vanilla lynch and a MIA CC, I would feel safer lynching him. The absence of quality of posts and activity from LoR is suspicious as well, however.
##Vote aidnai
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Since layoffrage and Aidnai are our two most likely targets, why don't we lynch layoffrage and then have deconduo kill off aidnai tonight. We really need to start discussing who to use CPR on tonight. Since we seem to want to kill both these players this seems to be the best solution.
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On January 12 2011 02:54 HaploPaithan wrote:
Since layoffrage and Aidnai are our two most likely targets, why don't we lynch layoffrage and then have deconduo kill off aidnai tonight. We really need to start discussing who to use CPR on tonight. Since we seem to want to kill both these players this seems to be the best solution.
Since we can't decide if any of these people are scum, let's kill them all! that way we can race towards lylo even more quickly than normal! brilliant plan.
Kitaman: jimbo already found the important fact. LayOffRage's only previous game was in smurf mafia. I'm sorry to him for bringing this fact out in the open, but seriously, that much info is not hard to come by. And yes, I know who it is from playing with him in a previous game.
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On January 12 2011 03:52 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 02:54 HaploPaithan wrote:
Since layoffrage and Aidnai are our two most likely targets, why don't we lynch layoffrage and then have deconduo kill off aidnai tonight. We really need to start discussing who to use CPR on tonight. Since we seem to want to kill both these players this seems to be the best solution. Since we can't decide if any of these people are scum, let's kill them all! that way we can race towards lylo even more quickly than normal! brilliant plan. Kitaman: jimbo already found the important fact. LayOffRage's only previous game was in smurf mafia. I'm sorry to him for bringing this fact out in the open, but seriously, that much info is not hard to come by. And yes, I know who it is from playing with him in a previous game.
Huh? It's not like it's a huge secret LayOffRage is RoL.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Rekrul backwards is lurker too.
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flamewheel backwards is spammer.
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