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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
Anyways, I'm heading to bed now. Good night. | ||
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JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
For everyone worrying that lynching aidnai will give a potential mafia copycat a good role: aidnai is number 16 on the draft list. He can't possibly have a good role. Pardoning is a terrible idea right now because if mafia did anything with the copycat role, they now can choose which role they want with their NK. We can't assume copycat is in town hands. Furthermore, if we don't know who the copycat is, we can't control it if copycat happens to get a dangerous role. Lynching aidnai gives us very low danger of actually giving copycat a good role. On the contrary, pardoning just allows the potential for mafia to pick up a good role. People also please ignore the traitor. If LayOffRage is telling the truth, theres a 1 in 8 chance of finding the traitor randomly, and theres a 1 in 4 chance of lynching mafia at random. Plus, the good roles are in 1-8, so if mafia wants to kill our good roles, they just expose the traitor even more. Furthermore, traitor isn't even hooked up with the mafia until they get hit. We can afford to wait before going after the traitor. Aidnai is reacting poorly to pressure. Please don't spam the evidence away. Vote for aidnai. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
You're definitely tunneling now jimbo. Just saying. I'm reading up on the thread, pigsquirrel gave an awful reason for voting me (cause i "don't care", not cause i'm scum). But the rest of his posts look good. Actually excellent for a first time player. As for lynching LayOffRage, thing is, he can be a pretty decent scumhunter, and he's active, and he claimed green. I don't see why he needs to die before we even get a read on the players in the top 8. And fishball is almost certainly not the traitor. If you guys need someone to die with a role to make sure the CC gets something not too strong, I'm your man. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
On January 10 2011 14:30 Fishball wrote: I'm with HaploPaithan here. Your logic just makes me think more and more that you are red. Hey BC, you should tell your muscles to stay low. On January 11 2011 14:23 Fishball wrote: For my draft pick, I was assigned Medic. If I were to pick Traitor, why would I want to announce that I would pick another role before hand? Would it not be better if I did it secretly? Keep in mind, the most convenient way for the Traitor to get recruited is to be hit by the Mafia. If I stuck with the plan, as a medic, wouldn't that increase the chances of me getting hit thus getting recruited? My play thus far has been fairly vocal. Radical accusations, yes, but not entirely without reason. Look at one of those main candidates for lynch, aidnai; Who was the first one to bring him up? BC haven't posted, misder submerged after a brief counter attack, etc.. From what I've seen in the past 24 hours, I've received rather negative reception from the town. Now why would the Mafia want to hit or use their powers on a target like me, a self proclaimed non-medic player, with a small target on top of his head? If I were the Traitor, this serves me no good. I feel an obligation to defend myself here. 1) I don't have time like you do to be able to read this forum until late at night unless on weekends, so "submerged" is not really the appropriate term. The reason why I didn't say anything after you fosed me was that I wasn't even on. 2) The reason I asked that question was basically, LSB's plan was already giving mafia all the info anyways. So naturally, if most people followed the plan, mafia would be the only ones who know who doesn't have their roles, which means that town is at a disadvantage here. I'm pretty sure I understand why people don't like it- because it gives mafia a place to target- but if mafia already knows, then theres no point is suppressing it. So what's illogical about that? 3) I still feel that your early game play is very questionable- and likely scum- as per my previous analysis 4) The reason you wanted to lynch aidnai in the first place was because of # and one post. I'm not saying that he's not scumlike- just that the reason you brought it up wasn't really analysis. 5)Also BC- you didn't even have an original reasoning- again, not saying he's not scumlike, but you didn't make it based off of not posting 6) You stated pregame that you were likely not going to follow LSB. So if you did suddenly say, I might follow it, that's suspicious in itself. You don't need to be medic to increase chances- the way you play already gives the impression that you are not town-aligned- mafia would target you. Either your town and mafia kills a veteran mafia player, or your traitor and mafia gets another member. After reading guides, I learned that we should be focusing on scumhunting, not informative stuff so I'm going with my gut here and ##Vote Fishball | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
On January 11 2011 15:10 aidnai wrote: oh god here i go again i can't help my scummy self You're definitely tunneling now jimbo. Just saying. I'm reading up on the thread, pigsquirrel gave an awful reason for voting me (cause i "don't care", not cause i'm scum). But the rest of his posts look good. Actually excellent for a first time player. As for lynching LayOffRage, thing is, he can be a pretty decent scumhunter, and he's active, and he claimed green. I don't see why he needs to die before we even get a read on the players in the top 8. And fishball is almost certainly not the traitor. If you guys need someone to die with a role to make sure the CC gets something not too strong, I'm your man. How do you know that fishball isn't traitor? And, you discount the possibility that he is SK or mafia. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
On January 11 2011 15:10 aidnai wrote: As for lynching LayOffRage, thing is, he can be a pretty decent scumhunter, and he's active, and he claimed green. I don't see why he needs to die before we even get a read on the players in the top 8. And fishball is almost certainly not the traitor. Aidnai I have one very simple question for you: how do you know layoffrage is a pretty decent scumhunter? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 11 2011 15:10 aidnai wrote: As for lynching LayOffRage, thing is, he can be a pretty decent scumhunter, and he's active, and he claimed green. I don't see why he needs to die before we even get a read on the players in the top 8. And fishball is almost certainly not the traitor. Excuse my ignorance, but who is LayOffRange/how do you know? | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
On January 11 2011 15:51 aidnai wrote: And I have a simple answer. I've played with him before. Bullshit. The original post caught my eye since in the few games I've read here I've never seen his name and he only has 50 posts so it would seem odd you'd vouch for him like that. Dig a little digging and turns out layoffrage hasn't played since September 2009, his only game. You joined in January 2010. Something smells here or my name isn't Jimbosilvers. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
I wonder if you would have tunneled on me if I hadn't told you not to. It's like when the Oracle told Neo not to worry about the vase, and then he turned and broke it... I'm sorry everyone, I know I should be more useful, but I just f'd up team mini mafia so comically I seriously can't be useful right now. I'll try again tomorrow. Read TMM3 for shits and giggles if you have time for some lols. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 11 2011 16:12 aidnai wrote: you're very clever jimbo. Surely you can think of some explanation where I'm still telling the truth despite your excellent sleuthing? And no, I'm not giving you any hints or talking about this any further. If you won't address Jumbo, then how about enlightening myself instead?  | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 11 2011 16:18 kitaman27 wrote: EBWOP If you won't address Jimbo, then how about enlightening myself instead? | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On December 01 2010 14:53 aidnai wrote: So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time). Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts: RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit. Verdict: townie vs. townie. Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet. Verdict: townie vs. townie. That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted: Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests. And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date: Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all. on that note: ##vote fishball P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_- I like Fishball’s suggestion of a policy lynch on LayOffRage, but we could also use the pardoner for a 0 lynch, and let mafia decide the CopyCat role. The reasons for this plan is: First, we know where the CopyCat role is, since Jackal58 said he would follow LSB’s plan. When mafia pick off one of our power roles, he should receive it, and they will have to waste a hit on him night 2 as well. If Jackal58 is still alive on day 3, we can lynch his ass (or he can put the role to use). Second, if Jackal58 is lying about picking CopyCat, we found our traitor. We might have lost an important power role to the real copy cat, but we got one red down. It’s a loss of a role for a red, which is in my opinion a decent trade, as long as deconduo and kitaman are medic protected. It would be nice to hear from Jackal58 if he can actually confirm he got the CopyCat role. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On January 11 2011 14:06 bumatlarge wrote: Well if they did follow LSB's plan + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2011 00:03 LSB wrote: LSB's Plan in a nutshell RED and GREEN spots are obligated to pick their roles 1. CPR Doc 2. JOAT 3. Vig 4. Bullet Bill 5. Copy Cat 6. Doctor 7. Role Blocker 8. Doctor 9. Day Vig 10. Role Cop 11. Pardoner 12. Alignment Cop 13. Politican 14. Tracker 15. Mason 16. Witch 17. Hider 18. Janitor 19. Bulletproof 20. Prince of Darkness 21. Veteran 22. God Father That would leave Barundar as number 4. I know I said I didn't agree with the 100% necessity of picking what you get in the list, but the farther up the list you go the more important it is that you pick the role, or at least threaten to. I don't see why he wouldn't, as it is a strong role. He should claim right now whether he did or not, as he is playing for the town at the moment and we don't know for certain whether LOr is traitor so Barundar should... but he doesn't know if... so how can he really... holy shit Barundar are you ready to confront... + Show Spoiler + Schrodinger's Cat? ![[image loading]](http://www.philosophy.christopher-roberts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Schrodingers-cat.jpg) Wow it like actually applies... On January 11 2011 14:08 bumatlarge wrote: EBWOP: FUCK AGAIN I SWITCH THE NAMES God dammit, correction; Is jackal ready to confront schrodinger's cat... ugh now it loses all of its epicness. You lost me. Who you talking to? I didn't follow the plan, found it retarded to pick Bullet Bill and get insta killed by SK. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On January 11 2011 16:50 Barundar wrote: You lost me. Who you talking to? I didn't follow the plan, found it retarded to pick Bullet Bill and get insta killed by SK. Sorry barundar, I was referring to jackal. | ||
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JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
 Oh yes I can think of an explanation mr aidnai. But it's an extremely unpleasant one for you. layoffrage's only game was in smurf mafia. Key word smurf. So layoffrage is a smurf. Now who would know that except those who played in that game? Why would someone, most particularly you who apparently hasnt had any time except to post polls ask useless questions and defend yourself poorly, bother to check out layoffrage's profile of all people? The important thing is you brought it up like it was casual knowledge, but so far as my wits can see, it sure ain't commonly known. If layoffrage is a friend who told you his smurf, I might imagine he would've wanted to keep it a secret."Something like 'hey aidnai im layoffrage dont tell anyone kay plox.' I don't think you would have let the knowledge slip indirectly like you did if layoffrage was simply a friend whose smurf you knew but alignment you did not. Because remember, you revealed this when you were defending him from pressure, which is incriminating in itself. So let me try a stab on another possibility. You and layoffrage are scum. Layoffrage told you guys who he really is, you have played with him before, and you simply let some the knowledge of his smurf indirectly and unconsciously slip when you were defending him from pressure. Of course other explanations are possible and this doesn't confirm you as red or anything. This just just means that if you flip red, we kill layoffrage too. And just to make things clear, I sure aint tunneling. There are other scum out there and I think I might have another. But I'm not going to get into that now. Why should I care about one fishy in the river when I got another squirming in my arms? | ||
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JimboSilvers
United Kingdom167 Posts
I want everyone who is thinking of voting fishball or jackal or layoffrage or anyone because they think they are the traitor or copycat to stop and think a moment. Fishball talked about this and I want to reinforce it since you peoples can't seem to read it. I swear half the time anything important gets posted it's automatically converted into invisible forum ink. In Pick You Power 2 this is what happened- 1- Southrawrea - pick 6 - says day 1 "Somebody picked traitor ahead of me cause I didnt get it lolz" 2- Town lynches Hesmyrr - pick 4 - trying to find the traitor on the first day. 3- Town lynches Southrawrea trying to find the traitor on day 3. They lynched the serial killer day 2 fyi. 4- Town shoots Chaoser - pick 2- trying to find the traitor with their compvigi shot night 3. 5- Town lynches LSB traitor - pick 3 - finally getting the traitor day 4. Tell me. Is that worth it? Let's hear what Ace says: On September 06 2010 20:37 Ace wrote: Southwarea did the right thing ringing the bell about a traitor in the top ranks, but did the wrong thing and accused Hessmyrr out of no where. Still no idea how anyone thought that was a good lynch. Now in our situation we have the person claiming he missed on traitor at pick NINE instead of six. It's even worse! Who cares about the damn traitor lets lynch some scum people! If you don't think aidnai is scum then fine. Find a better one and prove it to us. But don't you dare just sit there and talk about the bullshit you currently are. It doesn't matter what happens with the traitor. They'll get revealed as the game goes on because they are in the all important upper slots where lots of people will probably die. We got five other buggers to fry first. To hell with the damn copycat. To hell with 'oh my god he might be the traitor' talk. To hell with pardoning the lynch. Find scum or die trying. That's Jimbo's motto and it better be yours too! | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
1. First I thought aidnai is scummy. Mostly because he's been extremely passive with his posts. Not taking any sides, not pushing anything, just trying to favor other people's ideas so as to not actually draw attention when the shit hits the fan. 2. Then I saw the analysis on LoL, and I figured, ok, that looks like a decent plan for town, high chance of it going well, might clarify some things, seems like a good day 1 vote. 3. Then aidnai starts defending him out of the blue. This changes everything. My gut feeling says that LoL is in fact townie, and aidnai knows this, and since he already has a mini-bandwagon going for him, aidnai thinks it's a good idea to defend him, so when he gets lynched and turns green, he will be absolved of guilt. I'm just thinking all this because it's more or less exactly what I'd do if I was scum and targeted so brutally on day 1. I know it's not good enough evidence, but I need to go with it for now. If town will need one extra vote to lynch LoL, I might change it, but for now... ##Vote aidnai | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
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So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all.
