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On December 10 2010 02:44 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 02:39 mardi wrote: he's a pretty solid of a player. He wasn't very outstanding, just solid and solid play is what wins games. Jinro vs Rain will be good. you seem to forget about a certain someone that will probably stomp jinro 4;1
You seem to forget all the times people have said such things so far in GSL 3 and been completely wrong about it. Since when did MC turn into God?
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On December 10 2010 02:54 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 02:44 OutlaW- wrote:On December 10 2010 02:39 mardi wrote: he's a pretty solid of a player. He wasn't very outstanding, just solid and solid play is what wins games. Jinro vs Rain will be good. you seem to forget about a certain someone that will probably stomp jinro 4;1 You seem to forget all the times people have said such things so far in GSL 3 and been completely wrong about it. Since when did MC turn into God?
Since he stopped having nerve issues ^_^. I think many players have regarded MC as the best protoss for awhile but he hasn't really brought his A game in GSL matches. Hopefully he can display what he's capable of.
In the end I don't think it matters show advances, both Jinro and MC should be able to deal with Rain. All I want is a good game between two really solid players.
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On December 10 2010 02:33 koppik wrote: I feel really bad for Rain. Poor guy doesn't deserve the hate. True, but at the same time he doesn't deserve a place in the finals. It's hard to explain exactly how Rain managed to get this far, but I guess I would just put it down to luck and lack of preparation of his opponents. However in the ro8 and going forward people expect a certain standard of play, and tbh the games with rain have not been living up to what high-level gsl matches should be. It is hard to find a person to blame so I guess a lot of the hate for this unfortunate situation goes to Rain even though really his opponents are to some extent just as much to blame for not taking an unworthy player out.
Q. Who do you want to advance to the final? A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead. I feel exactly the opposite. I want jinro to advance, but I think mc probably will. I hope Rain is better than predicting outcomes than me.
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too lazy to PM a mod lol maybe i'll keep bumping it until they see it haha
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On December 10 2010 04:35 CanucksJC wrote:too lazy to PM a mod lol maybe i'll keep bumping it until they see it haha
Oh you lazy bastard. How did you summon up enough effort to translate the damn interview!!! But thanks anyways.
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Lol I had a feeling Rain was better than people said. If he faces Jinro, it'll be the battle of the Chins!!!
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MC's pressure with voidray/stalker/zealot is by obvious margins better than hungun's in game 2, hung was suppose to win that at one point he stacked up to 3 VR also, MC's forcefield placement was a bit more solid than hungs game throughout GSL3 i've only seen once MC misplaced his FF (not enough mana to) Solid, with pressure, keep army quantity small, making that single zealot stats worth a lot more to a smaller group of bio ball that's MC's PvT game, and i think is more stable way to play against any terran
With the way Rain played, i do not think he stands a chance against MC If Jinro can survive the pressure, that mid game right before HT is up and colossus in small number window is the key for T to win
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I was very impressed with Rain's mental toughness. It could not have been easy for him to compete at that level knowing how angry everyone was at him (anger that I don't understand — he played to win and did what he had to do). He seems like a nice kid too, so I wouldn't mind if he ended up winning the whole thing.
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I actually feel bad for voting against him in all these games cause of this interview. I hope he wins the GSL 3!
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On December 10 2010 05:58 pak150 wrote: I was very impressed with Rain's mental toughness. It could not have been easy for him to compete at that level knowing how angry everyone was at him (anger that I don't understand — he played to win and did what he had to do). He seems like a nice kid too, so I wouldn't mind if he ended up winning the whole thing. this is very well said, behind it all is the media/fan pressure AGAINST him it's such a huge pressure and though i think MC > Rain, I now pay Rain some respect eventually, it's the combination of heart and skills that makes winners and great players
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dont you just love how everyone is "oh ma gawd, such a poor guy" now that rain showed 3 decent games? not to say he deserved the hate because imo noone does. oh the hipocracy...
i just hope he doesn't succomb to the preassure in the finals and starts cheesing again, i just want to see some good starcraft.
also: thanks foer the translation
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On December 10 2010 02:35 yowza wrote: Am I the only one who finds it funny that a guy is in the semi-final who responds to a scouted 4 gate by finishing his expansion CC? Not to mention doesn't make more bunkers or bring out his scv's.
This entire series was just so bad :/
no.
look at all of his other GSL games. how do you think he got to the finals?
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Remember who you are haters, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe Jinro says he doesn't stand as good as chance as oGsMC in the final, not because he doubts his abilities as a player, but because he realises that protoss is too strong against terran in late game and oGsMC will be the type that knows how go high templar.
The top players understand this game balance more than anyone and they are reluctant to say it outloud because so many aren't willing to accept the reality of possible imbalance. That would challenge and put into question the achievements of all starcraft players and infer that their gameplay victories are more about class mechanics than equivalent player skill.
Some people are just so fed up with losing to a particular race, and, instead of adapting and getting better as a player, it is much easier for them to blame the game than take a good look at what they could be doing differently to become better as a player. I think this is why we so much hate on Rain, despite the fact that he outplayed Nestea and Nestea did make serious mistakes that caused him to lose.
When someone says something that conflicts with their beliefs, it creates antagonism towards that person for a lot of people.
Jinro was wise on not elaborating why he thought he didn't stand a chance against MC.
so much unwarranted terran hate just because people are tired to losing to terran they are blinded by the reality of the situation that Rain played the best way he could against a zerg opponent.
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Q. Who do you want to advance to the final? A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead.
I am almost positive Rain said he'd prefer Jinro to advance in his English GSL interview since his TvP build orders were already shown. Wonder why he is saying two different things- or if one of the translations is wrong?
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On December 10 2010 06:37 frumpylumps wrote: Remember who you are haters, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe Jinro says he doesn't stand as good as chance as oGsMC in the final, not because he doubts his abilities as a player, but because he realises that protoss is too strong against terran in late game and oGsMC will be the type that knows how go high templar.
The top players understand this game balance more than anyone and they are reluctant to say it outloud because so many aren't willing to accept the reality of possible imbalance. That would challenge and put into question the achievements of all starcraft players and infer that their gameplay victories are more about class mechanics than equivalent player skill.
Some people are just so fed up with losing to a particular race, and, instead of adapting and getting better as a player, it is much easier for them to blame the game than take a good look at what they could be doing differently to become better as a player. I think this is why we so much hate on Rain, despite the fact that he outplayed Nestea and Nestea did make serious mistakes that caused him to lose.
When someone says something that conflicts with their beliefs, it creates antagonism towards that person for a lot of people.
Jinro was wise on not elaborating why he thought he didn't stand a chance against MC.
so much unwarranted terran hate just because people are tired to losing to terran they are blinded by the reality of the situation that Rain played the best way he could against a zerg opponent.
I highly doubt that imbalance is the reason Jinro thinks MC will be a tough opponent. Jinro has taken out tons of top Protoss before (Choya, Socke, TT1 just to name a few) he just knows that MC is a beastly opponent with a great deal of skill. Also he's a pretty modest guy, he's probably a lot more confident than what he's letting on.
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rain is a garbage player he does not deserve to be where he at go Jingrooooo
On December 10 2010 06:37 frumpylumps wrote: Remember who you are haters, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe Jinro says he doesn't stand as good as chance as oGsMC in the final, not because he doubts his abilities as a player, but because he realises that protoss is too strong against terran in late game and oGsMC will be the type that knows how go high templar.
The top players understand this game balance more than anyone and they are reluctant to say it outloud because so many aren't willing to accept the reality of possible imbalance. That would challenge and put into question the achievements of all starcraft players and infer that their gameplay victories are more about class mechanics than equivalent player skill.
Some people are just so fed up with losing to a particular race, and, instead of adapting and getting better as a player, it is much easier for them to blame the game than take a good look at what they could be doing differently to become better as a player. I think this is why we so much hate on Rain, despite the fact that he outplayed Nestea and Nestea did make serious mistakes that caused him to lose.
When someone says something that conflicts with their beliefs, it creates antagonism towards that person for a lot of people.
Jinro was wise on not elaborating why he thought he didn't stand a chance against MC.
so much unwarranted terran hate just because people are tired to losing to terran they are blinded by the reality of the situation that Rain played the best way he could against a zerg opponent. are you actually saying this? Jingro thinks he wil lose to MC because he knows Jingro inside and out - mc was preparing Jingro for every pvt according to Jingro and thats the only reason that he thinks he will lose people this days...
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I love how half of these Korean interview questions are always actually just straight-up statements.
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On December 10 2010 06:37 frumpylumps wrote: Remember who you are haters, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe Jinro says he doesn't stand as good as chance as oGsMC in the final, not because he doubts his abilities as a player, but because he realises that protoss is too strong against terran in late game and oGsMC will be the type that knows how go high templar.
Really this is a terrible way to look at what Jinro has said. He said that MC helped him practice a lot for this TvP game and is a really solid PvT player. No where did he say anything about balance. You aren't just take his words and use them to fuel your own imbalance ideas. That's completely and utterly disrespectful to the players. I really don't understand how just because this is SC2 all of a sudden races matter more than players. It actually makes me sick reading some of the stuff on TL and I have only really actively read TL since 2007, can't imagine what vets must feel like.
Also about high templar. If you notice Jinro gets siege tech mid-late game but didn't build any tanks. I can only presume he is anticipating a tech switch from colossi to HT so he is building the infrastructure to deal with that switch.
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Nice interview .
And of course he might be able to change his mind...
A interview minutes after playing a semifinal match for almost 16thousands dollars is normal not to think clearly even more if you have never been a pro player.
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TSL_Rain > Idra TSL_Rain > Nestea TSL_Rain > Genius
Dispute this with facts.
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