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HongUnPrime (P) vs TSL_Rain (T)
+ Show Spoiler +TSL_Rain, 'I will satisfy everyone in the finals.' ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/1lBmm.jpg) TSL_Rain has advanced to the final for the first time in his life. TSL_Rain has defeated HongUnPrime 4:2 in the Sony Ericsson StarCraft 2 Open Season 3 Round of 4. He has shown off a variety of styles including management, control, defense and cheese rush, and he will challenge to take the whole tournament. Q. How does it feel to advance to the final?A. Before coming here, I felt like I would cry if I won, but now that I actually won, I don't think I will cry, I'm just happy. I don't know how to express this feeling. Q. You must have had a hard time since the round of 8.A. It was bad. Honestly, I only prepared to do a cheese rush in the 4th set, but somehow the situation ended up that way. The team website has been terrorized, and I read a lot of negative comments regarding my play. I almost regretted starting to play games. Q. What helped you get back on track?A. Even though 90% of people insulted me, the other 10% still cheered for me. I gathered myself up for those people. Q. I was worried that the recent events since the round of 8 might have an effect in your play today.A. It could've been that way if I came up with the builds myself, but the builds have been planned out by all the teammates. That's why there wasn't a big problem with my play today, I want to thank my teammates for that. Q. You started off with a loss in the first set.A. I was sure that HongUnPrime would use voidrays in the first set. I prepared a build that couldn't lose, but the situation wasn't what I was expecting. However, I was able to control my mind so it didn't have an effect in the second set. Q. The voidrays were used in the second set.A. I prepared perfectly for almost all the maps. I was worried that my first attack was stopped, I was surprised by the sudden force field when I was just trying to pressure a little. Q. The game was paused in the second set.A. I retreated with my army during a battle, but the monitor shut down and turned back on after a few seconds. It wasn't that big of a problem since I wasn't in the middle of a battle. Q. I think you played your best in the third set.A. The game resolved the way I wanted it to. I was surprised by HongUnPrime's excellent blink stalker micro, but I told myself not to over-extend since he looked to lack resources. That's why I retreated my army as fast as I could. Q. You were successful with a cheese rush in the fourth set on Delta Quadrant, it must have been pressuring.A. It's difficult to prepare management games for all the games in a best-of-7, I thought that at least one game needed a cheesy play. I didn't reconsider my build as I was executing it, I think those plays are needed in multi-set matches. Q. The games were delayed after the fourth set.A. I was getting ready for the fifth set until the internet suddenly disconnected. I tried to keep calm, but it was difficult as it took so long to start again. Q. Is that why you lost in the fifth set?A. I under-reacted after seeing the 4 warpgate rush. My mind was too loosened. I was disappointed that I lost even though I was fully capable of stopping it. However, I was still in the lead score-wise, so I just thought to try my best. Q. You defended against a potent strategy in the sixth set.A. I've never encountered that strategy before. I still expected a 4 warpgate rush, and I focused on stopping it, so I was able to defend the push in the end. Q. What did you think after winning 4:2?A. It felt so unreal that I thought 'isn't there another set to play?' Before the game started, I thought 'if I just win this, I can reach the final', but I was numb after winning. Q. Who do you want to advance to the final?A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead. Q. You must have been jealous watching TSL_FruitDealer in Season 1.A. It feels like I can really do this. I have a lot of confidence. Q. Aren't you a finalist that has no SCBW progamer or semi-pro experience?A. When I first started, I thought never to go down once I reached a high rank on ladder. It was nervous seeing all the progamers move over, but when I played them on ladder, it wasn't that nervous. It would be nice to have that progamer experience, but I think SC2 is a game you can play without such experience. Q. Any comments?A. I want to thank TSL_Killer, TSL_Smart and TSL_sSKS for helping me practice. I also want to thank TSL_GuineaPig, even though he is not a part of the team right now. [T/N: I think he's still in the team, just not living in the team house? Not so sure what happened here, but Rain definitely categorizes him as 'not part of team'] ST_Squirtle also helped me practice. TSL_sSKS kept asking to help me and planned out the builds, while TSL_Clide looked over my back and managed the builds. I want to thank all the teammates. I honestly think that my play in the round of 8 was disappointing, but I will prepare correctly for the final. I will play to make everyone satisfied after seeing my games. I also want to thank the ProS clan master and others who came here and supported me. Lastly, TSL fighting. Original interview in Korean (www.fomos.kr): + Show Spoiler +박서용(TSL)이 생애 첫 결승 진출에 성공했다.
박서용은 9일 소니에릭슨 스타크래프트2 오픈 시즌3 4강 1회차에서 안홍욱(프라임)을 4:2로 격파했다. 운영, 컨트롤, 방어, 치즈러시 등 다양한 경기 스타일을 자랑한 박서용은 뛰어난 경기력을 자랑하며 우승에 도전할 수 있게 됐다.
다음은 박서용과의 일문일답.
- 결승전에 진출한 소감이 어떤가?
▲ 오기 전에는 이기면 눈물이 날 것 같았다. 하지만 막상 이기니까 눈물은 나지 않고 그냥 기쁘기만 하다. 뭐라고 표현을 해야할지 모르겠다.
- 8강 이후에 마음고생을 했을 것 같다.
▲ 심했다. 8강에서 치즈러시를 준비한 것은 사실 4세트 밖에 없었다. 하지만 상황이 그렇게 되버렸다. 팀 홈페이지가 테러를 당하고, 나에 대한 안 좋은 글도 많이 봤다. 게임을 시작한 것을 후회할 뻔 하기도 했다.
- 다시 마음을 잡을 수 있었던 이유는?
▲ 90% 사람들이 나를 욕할 때도 10% 정도의 분들은 나를 응원해줬다. 그 분들을 위해 다시 마음을 잡았다.
- 8강 이후 논란이 오늘 경기력에도 영향을 주지 않을까 걱정했는데.
▲ 오늘 빌드를 내가 스스로 짰다면 그렇게 될 수도 있었다고 본다. 하지만 오늘 빌드는 우리 팀원들이 모두 연구를 해서 만들어줬다. 그 덕분에 경기력에는 큰 문제가 없었다고 생각한다. 팀원 모두에게 고맙다.
- 1세트에서는 지고 시작했다.
▲ 1세트에서 안홍욱 선수가 공허포격기를 할 것으로 확신했다. 절대 질 수 없는 빌드를 준비했는데 예상했던 상황이 나오지 않았다. 하지만 마인드컨트롤을 잘했기 때문에 2세트에는 지장이 없었다.
- 공허포격기는 2세트에 등장했다.
▲ 거의 모든 맵에서 완벽하게 대비하고 나왔다. 첫 공격이 막힌 뒤에 걱정을 하기도 했다. 살짝만 압박을 하려고 했는데 갑자기 역장이 들어와서 놀랐다.
- 2세트에서는 경기가 중단되기도 했는데.
▲ 교전을 하다가 병력을 후퇴시켰는데 모니터가 갑자기 꺼졌다가 몇 초 정도 있다가 켜졌다. 교전 중이 아니었기 때문에 큰 문제는 없었다.
- 3세트 잃어버린사원 경기력이 가장 좋았다고 생각한다.
▲ 내가 원하는대로 경기가 잘 풀렸다. 안홍욱 선수의 점멸 추적자 컨트롤이 너무 좋아서 당황하기는 했지만, 상대가 나보다 더 가난한 것 같아서 무리하지 말자고 생각했다. 그래서 최대한 빨리 병력을 후퇴시켰다.
- 4세트 델타사분면에서는 치즈러시를 성공시켰는데, 부담스러웠을 것 같다.
▲ 7전 4선승 경기에서 모두 운영을 준비하는 것은 사실 무리다. 한 경기 정도는 이런 플레이가 필요하다고 생각했다. 치즈러시를 할 때는 한 치의 망설임도 없었다. 다전제에서 이런 플레이는 전략적으로 한 두 번 필요하다고 생각한다.
- 4세트 이후 경기가 다소 지연됐는데.
▲ 5세트를 준비하고 있는데 갑자기 인터넷 연결이 끊겼다. 침착함을 유지하려고 노력했는데, 지연이 많이 되어서 다소 힘들었다.
- 그래서 5세트에서 패배한 것인가?
▲ 4차관을 보고도 너무 소극적으로 대처했다. 마음이 풀어진 상황이었다. 충분히 막을 수 있었는데 막지 못해서 아쉬웠다. 하지만 스코어상 내가 유리했기 때문에 최선을 다해서 해보자는 생각을 했다.
- 6세트 폭염사막에서는 생소한 플레이를 잘 막았다.
▲ 한 번도 당해보지는 않은 전략이었다. 그래도 4차관 러시를 짐작했고, 4차관 방어에만 집중을 하다보니 막을 수 있었다.
- 4:2로 이기고 난 뒤 어떤 생각이 들었나?
▲ '한 판이 더 남은 것 아니야?'라는 생각이 들 정도로 실감이 나지 않았다. 경기 전에는 '이번만 이기면 결승이다'라는 생각을 했는데 이기고 나니 멍하더라.
- 결승전에는 누가 올라왔으면 좋겠나?
▲ 장민철 선수가 올라왔으면 좋겠다. 조나단 선수가 올라올 것 같지만 장민철 선수가 올라왔으면 좋겠다.
- 시즌1 때 김원기를 보며 많이 부러웠을 것 같다.
▲ 충분히 할 수 있을 것 같다는 생각이 든다. 자신감이 많이 생겼다.
- 스타크래프트 프로게이머나 준프로게이머 경력이 없는 첫 결승 진출자 아닌가?
▲ 처음에 시작할 때는 래더 상위권에 올라가서 절대 내려가지 말자는 생각을 했다. 전 프로게이머들이 오는 것이 부담스럽기도 했다. 하지만 막상 래더에서 만나보니 그렇게 부담스럽지는 않더라. 스타크래프트 프로게이머 경력이 있으면 좋겠지만, 없어도 충분히 잘할 수 있는 게임이 스타크래프트2라고 생각한다.
- 더 하고 싶은 말이 있다면.
▲ 연습을 도와준 (신)상호 형, (박)진영이 형, (서)기수 형에게 고맙다. 지금은 우리 팀 소속이 아니지만 (김)현태에게도 고맙다. 스타테일 팀의 꼬부기 (박)현우 형도 연습을 도와줬다. (서)기수 형이 계속 먼저 도와준다고 하셨고 빌드도 많이 짜주셨다. (한)규종이 형도 게임을 뒤에서 보면서 빌드를 관리해줬다. 모든 팀원들에게 너무 고맙다.
솔직히 8강에서 내가 실망스러운 경기력을 보여줬다고 생각한다. 하지만 결승전 때는 제대로 준비하겠다. 모두가 내 경기를 보시고 만족할 만한 경기력을 보여드리겠다. 그리고 응원을 와주신 프로에스 클랜 마스터 형과 다른 모든 분들께도 감사드린다. 마지막으로 TSL 파이팅.
oGsMC (P) vs Liquid'Jinro (T) thanks to TanGeng for translating  /edited.
+ Show Spoiler +oGsMC, 'I think I've almost won now.' ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/vY8WA.jpg) oGsMC has become the first protoss to advance to the final. oGsMC displayed powerful ability while crushing Liquid'Jinro 4:0 and he will challenge to become the champion. Q. How does it feel to advance to the final?A. I didn't know that I would advance, but I'm happy. It feels like I won too easily, and I hope Liquid'Jinro doesn't take it personal. Q. You must have been eager to produce results after switching over from SCBW.A. I started playing SC2 back when I was still with MBCGame, and my ex-teammates gave me lots of advice after I had left. I wasn't too ambitious since I lacked skill when I first started, but during season 2, my expectations rose much higher. Still, I don't think the achievements I've been getting in season 3 are too delayed. Q. Practice must have been difficult.A. At least, Team Liquid has their own practice room. The oGs players are using the living room, and we've been able to practice without being too conscious of each other. We lived normally and even said 'you're a chobo' to each other as a joke. Q. Did you think you would achieve a commanding 4-0 victory?A. My record against terrans is very good in ranking games, and I've played thousands of games with Liquid'Jinro. I believed that I knew his playing style more than anyone else. That's why I thought I could come up victorious today. Q. You must have been guilty after such a devastating series.A. As I have said in the round of 32, it wasn't like that at all. I believe it is better for them if I perform better from now on, I think the only way I can stand proud in front of Liquid'Jinro is to win the tournament. Q. Your strategies kept prevailing even though Liquid'Jinro must have been ready.A. The experience of being a SCBW professional has helped me a lot. It's important to look at your opponent's opening build and guessing what strategy he will execute. This aspect of the game is even more important than it is in SCBW, so naturally, ex-SCBW progamers are stronger players. I don't think there's a terran player that has this kind of sense, but I think it might change if Flash switches over (laughs). Q. Was Jinro's all-in attack in set 4 very powerful?A. Instead of being surprised, I cycled my chrono boosts, but it was disappointing that I didn't get to make another dark templar. On the whole, my strategy was the perfect counter to my opponent's play. Destroying the orbital command center was critical to securing my victory. Q. After the GG in the 4th set, what were you thinking?A. I thought 'I'm finally going to the final'. I didn't think much else. Since I won against a friend, I couldn't be too happy, and it was kind of an awkward situation. Q. The previous champions were all SCBW progamers.A. I would like to become one of them. I already think victory is within my grasp since my opponent is a terran. I never lose to all-ins. He might be able to win one in a thousand games, if he can win a second game, I'd consider him very successful. Q. Did you watch TSL_Rain's games yesterday?A. I want to make it clear that I'm not insulting the player. I think HongUnPrime lost, because he played poorly. There are many good terran players on our team, so I think I have a good chance of winning. TSL has TSL_sSKS, but I don't think he's at my level. I can say this proudly now, that I am the top protoss since I just became the first protoss to reach the final. Q. Your parents must have big expectations.A. Even though this is for me, I want to win for my mom. I also want to win for my team, and my friends. Q. Are you going to reward the fans that made a cheerful?A. I forgot the prizes since I was too focused on the match. I told oGsInCa to go back to the house and grab the SC2 package. I'm going to give it out after this interview. Q. Any comments?A. My mom must be really happy, I want to tell her that I love her. I want to thank oGsSpunky, oGsTheWinD, oGsGon and oGsCezanne. I also want to thank oGsTheStC and oGsHyperdub who helped me practice PvT. Just the final is left and I will prepare to play good games, to be proud, and to perform an amazing ceremony. Original interview in Korean (www.fomos.kr): + Show Spoiler +프당당 장민철(oGs)이 프로토스 중 처음으로 결승전에 오르는 기염을 토했다.
장민철은 10일 소니에릭슨 스타크래프트2 오픈 시즌3 4강 2회차에서 '참이슬테란' 조나단을 4:0으로 완파하는 강력한 경기력을 자랑하면서 우승에 도전할 수 있는 기회를 잡았다.
다음은 장민철과의 일문일답.
- 결승전에 진출한 소감이 어떤가?
▲ 막상 진출하게 될 줄은 몰랐는데 기쁘다. 쉽게 이긴 것 같은데 조나단이 마음의 상처를 받지 않았으면 좋겠다.
- 전향 이후에 이런 성과를 빨리 내고 싶었을 것 같다.
▲ 예전에 MBC게임에서 활동할 때 스타크래프트2를 접했고, 그 이후에 같은 팀 형들이 조언을 많이 해줬다. 처음에는 내가 실력이 부족하다는 것을 알아서 욕심은 없었지만, 시즌2에서는 욕심이 많았다. 이번 시즌3에서 이런 성과를 낸 것이 그렇게 늦었다고 생각하지는 않는다.
- 연습이 쉽지 않았을 것 같다.
▲ 그래도 팀리퀴드 선수들의 연습방이 따로 있다. 거실은 oGs 선수들이 사용하고 있다. 서로 눈치보면서 연습을 하지는 않았다. 평소처럼 생활을 하고 서로 '넌 초보다'라고 농담을 하면서 즐겁게 준비했다.
- 4:0으로 쉽게 이길 것으로 예상했나?
▲ 랭킹전 같은 것을 하면 테란에게 잘 이기는 편이다. 조나단과는 수천 게임의 연습을 한 것 같다. 누구보다 조나단의 스타일을 잘 안다고 생각했다. 맞춤식의 전략을 준비했기 때문에 쉽게 이길 것으로 생각했다.
- 그래도 막상 완승을 거두니 미안했을 것 같다.
▲ 32강에서도 그랬듯이 그런 것은 전혀 없었다. 오히려 앞으로 더 내가 잘하는 것이 그들을 위한 위로라고 생각한다. 우승을 해야만 조나단에게 당당할 수 있을 것으로 생각한다.
- 조나단이 대비를 했음에도 불구하고 전략이 계속 먹혔다.
▲ 스타크래프트 프로게이머 경력 덕분인 것 같다. 상대의 빌드를 초반에만 잠깐 보고 어떤 플레이를 할 것인지 추측하는 것이 중요하다. 이것은 스타크래프트2에서 더 중요한데, 아무래도 스타크래프트 프로게이머 경력이 있는 선수들이 이 부분에서 강하다. 아직까지는 눈치가 좋은 테란 선수가 없는 것 같다. 아마 이영호(KT)가 넘어오면 달라지지 않을까 생각한다(웃음).
- 4세트는 조나단의 필살기가 강력하지 않았나?
▲ 깜짝 놀랐다기 보다는 시간 증폭을 돌렸지만, 암흑기사를 하나 생산하지 못한 점이 아쉬웠다. 그래도 전반적으로 상황이 잘 맞아 떨어진 것 같다. 궤도사령부를 파괴한 것이 결정적이었다.
- 4세트에서 GG를 받아낸 뒤 어떤 생각이 들었나?
▲ '내가 드디어 결승전에 가는구나'라는 생각이 들었다. 만감이 교차하지는 않았다. 친구를 이겨서 그런지 기뻐할 수도 없고, 약간 애매한 상황이기도 했다.
- 스타크래프트 출신 선수들이 모두 우승을 차지했다.
▲ 나도 그렇게 되고 싶다. 상대가 테란이기 때문에 거의 우승이라고 생각한다. 나는 치즈러시에는 절대 지지 않는다. 한 천 판 정도 연습하시면 한 세트 정도는 통할 수 있을 것으로 생각한다. 나에게 두 세트를 따내신다면 성공하신 것이다.
- 어제 박서용의 4강 경기를 봤나?
▲ 그 선수를 비난하는 것이 아니라는 사실을 밝혀둔다. 어제는 (안)홍욱이 형이 잘 못해서 졌다고 생각한다. 또한 우리 팀에는 강력한 테란 선수들이 즐비하다. 거의 이긴다고 생각하고 있다. TSL에도 서기수 선수가 있지만 나에 미치지 못한다고 생각한다. 이제는 당당하게 말할 수 있다. 최초 결승 진출 프로토스이기 때문에 '내가 원탑'이라고 말이다.
- 부모님도 우승을 많이 기대하실 것 같다.
▲ 나를 위해서이기도 하지만 어머니를 위해서 우승하고 싶다. 그 다음에는 우리 팀, 친구들을 위해서 꼭 우승하고 싶다.
- 치어풀을 만들어온 팬에게 상품은 줬나?
▲ 경기에 집중하다보니 깜빡하고 가져오지 않았다. 그래서 (송)준혁이를 시켜서 숙소에서 스타크래프트2 패키지를 가져오게 했다. 인터뷰가 끝나고 이벤트 선정자에게 상품을 전해드릴 생각이다.
- 더 하고 싶은 말이 있다면.
▲ 어머니가 굉장히 기뻐하실 것 같다. 사랑한다는 말을 하고 싶다. (황)규훈이 형, (박)상익이 형, (김)성곤이 형, (김)정환이 형에게 고맙다. 테란전 연습을 많이 도와준 (최)연식이 형과 (김)유종이 형에게도 정말 고맙다. 결승전만 남았는데 팬들이 실망하지 않을 경기력, 당당함, 대단한 세리모니를 준비하도록 하겠다.
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A lot of us appear to b
have been wrong about rain
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I think people forget that he's probably on TSL for a reason...anyway, good luck to Rain and hope people at the very least stop hating on him.
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Nice! He expects Jinro to go thru and wants to face MC! A li'l unbelievable but props for that mind-troll!!
And as usual, Canucks is awesome! (But that MC saying is MY underbar!!)
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Hmm In the English interview Rain said something along the line of that he doesn't want to face MC because he has shown all his TvP strategies today in a bo7 so it would be better to face Jinro in the finals.
He already reconsidered it?
and thanks Canucks! for translating interviews fast after games 
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Q. Who do you want to advance to the final?
A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead.
Thats not what he said in the interview with Artosis. There he said :
"Its better if Jinro goes trough, because all the people have now seen my tactics vs Protoss"
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On December 09 2010 22:44 ihasaKAROT wrote:Show nested quote +Q. Who do you want to advance to the final?
A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead. Thats not what he said in the interview with Artosis. There he said : Show nested quote +"Its better if Jinro goes trough, because all the people have now seen my tactics vs Protoss"
Yah I saw the video interview as well and the answers contradict each other.... Maybe he changed his mind? might be doing that to play mind games :s
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Q. Who do you want to advance to the final?
A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead.
Wohoo! :D
Nice interview and fast too! Funny how he received so much negative comments of koreans because of his cheese. You'd think koreans with their aggressive allin ladder would be more used to this kind of play.
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haha Rain is a Jinro fan :p
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ps this should be in the community news section with the other ones 
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I was using chrome translations now this one makes some sense
thanks Canucks =D
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what happened to guinea pig?
but he got very good practice partners, in my opinion the top few Protoss right now in Squirtle , Tester, Sangho, and Guineapig.
I hope he does not succumb to the flames and hate posts. I'd hate to see him not sticking to his strengths just because of internet pressure
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wow he thinks jinro will advance? interesting
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"I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance"
Nice, nice. Rain earns my respect 
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Wait, so is Guinea pig not on TSL or something?
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btw GuineaPig isnt on TSL anymore ?
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I feel really bad for Rain. Poor guy doesn't deserve the hate.
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Am I the only one who finds it funny that a guy is in the semi-final who responds to a scouted 4 gate by finishing his expansion CC? Not to mention doesn't make more bunkers or bring out his scv's.
This entire series was just so bad :/
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he's a pretty solid of a player. He wasn't very outstanding, just solid and solid play is what wins games. Jinro vs Rain will be good.
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On December 10 2010 02:39 mardi wrote:
he's a pretty solid of a player. He wasn't very outstanding, just solid and solid play is what wins games. Jinro vs Rain will be good.
you seem to forget about a certain someone that will probably stomp jinro 4;1
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On December 10 2010 02:44 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 02:39 mardi wrote:
he's a pretty solid of a player. He wasn't very outstanding, just solid and solid play is what wins games. Jinro vs Rain will be good. you seem to forget about a certain someone that will probably stomp jinro 4;1
You seem to forget all the times people have said such things so far in GSL 3 and been completely wrong about it. Since when did MC turn into God?
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On December 10 2010 02:54 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 02:44 OutlaW- wrote:On December 10 2010 02:39 mardi wrote:
he's a pretty solid of a player. He wasn't very outstanding, just solid and solid play is what wins games. Jinro vs Rain will be good. you seem to forget about a certain someone that will probably stomp jinro 4;1 You seem to forget all the times people have said such things so far in GSL 3 and been completely wrong about it. Since when did MC turn into God?
Since he stopped having nerve issues ^_^. I think many players have regarded MC as the best protoss for awhile but he hasn't really brought his A game in GSL matches. Hopefully he can display what he's capable of.
In the end I don't think it matters show advances, both Jinro and MC should be able to deal with Rain. All I want is a good game between two really solid players.
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On December 10 2010 02:33 koppik wrote:
I feel really bad for Rain. Poor guy doesn't deserve the hate.
True, but at the same time he doesn't deserve a place in the finals. It's hard to explain exactly how Rain managed to get this far, but I guess I would just put it down to luck and lack of preparation of his opponents. However in the ro8 and going forward people expect a certain standard of play, and tbh the games with rain have not been living up to what high-level gsl matches should be. It is hard to find a person to blame so I guess a lot of the hate for this unfortunate situation goes to Rain even though really his opponents are to some extent just as much to blame for not taking an unworthy player out.
Q. Who do you want to advance to the final?
A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead.
I feel exactly the opposite. I want jinro to advance, but I think mc probably will. I hope Rain is better than predicting outcomes than me.
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too lazy to PM a mod lol maybe i'll keep bumping it until they see it haha
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Sanya12364 Posts
On December 10 2010 04:35 CanucksJC wrote:too lazy to PM a mod lol maybe i'll keep bumping it until they see it haha
Oh you lazy bastard. How did you summon up enough effort to translate the damn interview!!!
But thanks anyways.
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Lol I had a feeling Rain was better than people said. If he faces Jinro, it'll be the battle of the Chins!!!
:D
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MC's pressure with voidray/stalker/zealot is by obvious margins better than hungun's
in game 2, hung was suppose to win that at one point he stacked up to 3 VR
also, MC's forcefield placement was a bit more solid than hungs game
throughout GSL3 i've only seen once MC misplaced his FF (not enough mana to)
Solid, with pressure, keep army quantity small, making that single zealot stats worth a lot more to a smaller group of bio ball
that's MC's PvT game, and i think is more stable way to play against any terran
With the way Rain played, i do not think he stands a chance against MC
If Jinro can survive the pressure, that mid game right before HT is up and colossus in small number window is the key for T to win
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I was very impressed with Rain's mental toughness. It could not have been easy for him to compete at that level knowing how angry everyone was at him (anger that I don't understand — he played to win and did what he had to do). He seems like a nice kid too, so I wouldn't mind if he ended up winning the whole thing.
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I actually feel bad for voting against him in all these games cause of this interview. I hope he wins the GSL 3!
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On December 10 2010 05:58 pak150 wrote:
I was very impressed with Rain's mental toughness. It could not have been easy for him to compete at that level knowing how angry everyone was at him (anger that I don't understand — he played to win and did what he had to do). He seems like a nice kid too, so I wouldn't mind if he ended up winning the whole thing.
this is very well said, behind it all is the media/fan pressure AGAINST him
it's such a huge pressure and though i think MC > Rain, I now pay Rain some respect
eventually, it's the combination of heart and skills that makes winners and great players
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dont you just love how everyone is "oh ma gawd, such a poor guy" now that rain showed 3 decent games? not to say he deserved the hate because imo noone does.
oh the hipocracy...
i just hope he doesn't succomb to the preassure in the finals and starts cheesing again, i just want to see some good starcraft.
also: thanks foer the translation
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On December 10 2010 02:35 yowza wrote:
Am I the only one who finds it funny that a guy is in the semi-final who responds to a scouted 4 gate by finishing his expansion CC? Not to mention doesn't make more bunkers or bring out his scv's.
This entire series was just so bad :/
no.
look at all of his other GSL games. how do you think he got to the finals?
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Remember who you are haters, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe Jinro says he doesn't stand as good as chance as oGsMC in the final, not because he doubts his abilities as a player, but because he realises that protoss is too strong against terran in late game and oGsMC will be the type that knows how go high templar.
The top players understand this game balance more than anyone and they are reluctant to say it outloud because so many aren't willing to accept the reality of possible imbalance. That would challenge and put into question the achievements of all starcraft players and infer that their gameplay victories are more about class mechanics than equivalent player skill.
Some people are just so fed up with losing to a particular race, and, instead of adapting and getting better as a player, it is much easier for them to blame the game than take a good look at what they could be doing differently to become better as a player. I think this is why we so much hate on Rain, despite the fact that he outplayed Nestea and Nestea did make serious mistakes that caused him to lose.
When someone says something that conflicts with their beliefs, it creates antagonism towards that person for a lot of people.
Jinro was wise on not elaborating why he thought he didn't stand a chance against MC.
so much unwarranted terran hate just because people are tired to losing to terran they are blinded by the reality of the situation that Rain played the best way he could against a zerg opponent.
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Q. Who do you want to advance to the final?
A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead.
I am almost positive Rain said he'd prefer Jinro to advance in his English GSL interview since his TvP build orders were already shown. Wonder why he is saying two different things- or if one of the translations is wrong?
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On December 10 2010 06:37 frumpylumps wrote:
Remember who you are haters, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe Jinro says he doesn't stand as good as chance as oGsMC in the final, not because he doubts his abilities as a player, but because he realises that protoss is too strong against terran in late game and oGsMC will be the type that knows how go high templar.
The top players understand this game balance more than anyone and they are reluctant to say it outloud because so many aren't willing to accept the reality of possible imbalance. That would challenge and put into question the achievements of all starcraft players and infer that their gameplay victories are more about class mechanics than equivalent player skill.
Some people are just so fed up with losing to a particular race, and, instead of adapting and getting better as a player, it is much easier for them to blame the game than take a good look at what they could be doing differently to become better as a player. I think this is why we so much hate on Rain, despite the fact that he outplayed Nestea and Nestea did make serious mistakes that caused him to lose.
When someone says something that conflicts with their beliefs, it creates antagonism towards that person for a lot of people.
Jinro was wise on not elaborating why he thought he didn't stand a chance against MC.
so much unwarranted terran hate just because people are tired to losing to terran they are blinded by the reality of the situation that Rain played the best way he could against a zerg opponent.
I highly doubt that imbalance is the reason Jinro thinks MC will be a tough opponent. Jinro has taken out tons of top Protoss before (Choya, Socke, TT1 just to name a few) he just knows that MC is a beastly opponent with a great deal of skill. Also he's a pretty modest guy, he's probably a lot more confident than what he's letting on.
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rain is a garbage player he does not deserve to be where he at
go Jingrooooo
On December 10 2010 06:37 frumpylumps wrote:
Remember who you are haters, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe Jinro says he doesn't stand as good as chance as oGsMC in the final, not because he doubts his abilities as a player, but because he realises that protoss is too strong against terran in late game and oGsMC will be the type that knows how go high templar.
The top players understand this game balance more than anyone and they are reluctant to say it outloud because so many aren't willing to accept the reality of possible imbalance. That would challenge and put into question the achievements of all starcraft players and infer that their gameplay victories are more about class mechanics than equivalent player skill.
Some people are just so fed up with losing to a particular race, and, instead of adapting and getting better as a player, it is much easier for them to blame the game than take a good look at what they could be doing differently to become better as a player. I think this is why we so much hate on Rain, despite the fact that he outplayed Nestea and Nestea did make serious mistakes that caused him to lose.
When someone says something that conflicts with their beliefs, it creates antagonism towards that person for a lot of people.
Jinro was wise on not elaborating why he thought he didn't stand a chance against MC.
so much unwarranted terran hate just because people are tired to losing to terran they are blinded by the reality of the situation that Rain played the best way he could against a zerg opponent.
are you actually saying this? Jingro thinks he wil lose to MC because he knows Jingro inside and out - mc was preparing Jingro for every pvt according to Jingro and thats the only reason that he thinks he will lose
people this days...
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I love how half of these Korean interview questions are always actually just straight-up statements.
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On December 10 2010 06:37 frumpylumps wrote:
Remember who you are haters, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
I believe Jinro says he doesn't stand as good as chance as oGsMC in the final, not because he doubts his abilities as a player, but because he realises that protoss is too strong against terran in late game and oGsMC will be the type that knows how go high templar.
Really this is a terrible way to look at what Jinro has said. He said that MC helped him practice a lot for this TvP game and is a really solid PvT player. No where did he say anything about balance. You aren't just take his words and use them to fuel your own imbalance ideas. That's completely and utterly disrespectful to the players. I really don't understand how just because this is SC2 all of a sudden races matter more than players. It actually makes me sick reading some of the stuff on TL and I have only really actively read TL since 2007, can't imagine what vets must feel like.
Also about high templar. If you notice Jinro gets siege tech mid-late game but didn't build any tanks. I can only presume he is anticipating a tech switch from colossi to HT so he is building the infrastructure to deal with that switch.
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Nice interview .
And of course he might be able to change his mind...
A interview minutes after playing a semifinal match for almost 16thousands dollars is normal not to think clearly even more if you have never been a pro player.
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TSL_Rain > Idra
TSL_Rain > Nestea
TSL_Rain > Genius
Dispute this with facts.
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There's no reason to dispute that since you've offered no evidence to support the assertion. Performance in one tournament means very little as you probably know. It's pretty unlikely anyone who knows anything about the game can look at Rain's play and think he is better than any of the players you listed, however
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On December 10 2010 07:50 Jayrod wrote:
TSL_Rain > Idra
TSL_Rain > Nestea
TSL_Rain > Genius
Dispute this with facts.
Every game I've watched from rain has been riddled with mistakes from either side, unimaginative cheese, or just plain boring. Thats why I am already disappointed for the final.
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It's unfortunate Rain has gotten so much hate, but when you realize there's $87,000 dollars on the line, you use every strategy to win.
Rain's now in the Finals with a guaranteed $27,000 dollars. Whether or not the series were watchable, you really can't fault the guy.
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Australia8532 Posts
Gogo Rain! So happy he made the finals after all the bullshit that happened after the Nestea series!
Thanks for the interview Canucks - always awesome!
MC vs Jinro will be so sweet.. so so sweet; mix of scv rush/marauder conc shells rush/macro games.. exciting
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On December 10 2010 07:50 Jayrod wrote:
TSL_Rain > Idra
TSL_Rain > Nestea
TSL_Rain > Genius
Dispute this with facts.
You forgot:
TSL_Rain>Squirtle
TSL_Rain>Hongun
Guys a protoss slayer and people still arent giving him props. No duh he wants to face MC. Bring on the toss!
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does rain have any previous rts background?
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" Rain vs Jinro Finals "- me
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Guess we'll have Jinro vs Rain !
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"Q. Who do you want to advance to the final?
A. I want oGsMC to advance. I think Liquid'Jinro will probably advance, but I'd prefer if oGsMC did instead."
Hohoho, I hope you are correct about Chinro, you dandy sir.
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Thanks for the translation. And I didnt know Guineapig wasnt on TSL anymore.
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I'm angry at the played matches, seriously 1 game was good, 1 was ok and the rest (no spoilers) were godamn terrible. No one deserved to win half of them with bad all-in's and worthless WORTHLESS tactical decitions and attacks.
It felt like watching R64 in GSL1 instead of Semi finals GSL3.
Also yeah I know I'm not Diamond 91000 rating etc etc. I'm still entitled to an opinion and from watching tons and tons of replays, those matches I just saw made me angry and seriously shout out commands to the players... 'tis was just painfull to watch.
EDIT:
And seriously huge props to IdrA for being the only one with balls enough to call these bad players out, whereas Artosis and Tastless have to promote them to not make the finals sound like a boring fucking cheese/all-in fest with lackluster strategy and decisionmaking.
"hater" is not what this is about, this is about TSL_Rain playing smart albiet boring as fuck, thereby killing the "sport" for most of us and in the long term if everyone played like that people would stop watching. Alot of us hate because we feel players like Rain are ruining the GSL and the game of which we all love.
Thank god for players like JinrO or I'd revoke my GOM Tv season ticket.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
when i was waching the last set i tought RH could win, i think if this was patch 1.2 were SCV have the same target as what they are repairing it will be a different Story
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On December 10 2010 07:50 Jayrod wrote:
TSL_Rain > Idra
TSL_Rain > Nestea
TSL_Rain > Genius
Dispute this with facts.
IMMvp beat Idra. There is your fact.
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^ doesn't matter who beat idra. If idra won he would have more credibility.
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I feel a lot better about Rain knowing that he can actually win by playing SC2 without a terrible amount of cheese. He does deserve credit for the way he's handled the situation, as he's seemed very professional since that Ro8.
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I get the feeling a number of Koreans are upset that someone can play "so cheesy" and make his way to acquire $89,000... but at the same time if it's the strongest strategy and it works it's hard to fault the guy. As some earlier said in the thread, there's a reason he's on TSL. If anyone has confidence issues I feel its Rain. Y'all need to stop playing into his insecurity. If IdrA said "I play to win" people wouldn't gripe.
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On December 10 2010 05:58 pak150 wrote:
I was very impressed with Rain's mental toughness. It could not have been easy for him to compete at that level knowing how angry everyone was at him (anger that I don't understand — he played to win and did what he had to do). He seems like a nice kid too, so I wouldn't mind if he ended up winning the whole thing.
Anger for knocking out a far superior player with abusive / all-in builds that don't particularly emphasize mechanics, I can understand it.
Also funny that he picked Jinro lol, gogogog Jinro :D
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I get the impression that the Korean Netizens are way more vicious than any troll on TL and that Rain has been through some hard times. Nevertheless, the guy hasn't really shown any true brilliance in other parts of his games aside from timing attacks that either win or lose the game. His play is pretty predictable, he will either play a one base timing attack or a 2 base timing attack. The whole idea is to get a force earlier and crush the opponent while the opponent is building a force. He loses most of his games when he allows his opponent to build up a force. He also loses when his timing attacks fail but the reason he's in the finals is that he wins more with them than loses. He's knocked out pretty legit players like Genius and Nestea. And yeah he says stuff in his interviews but they're all a load of .. you know what. He'll do what he's most comfortable with and what it takes to win.
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I'm still the 90%, he disappoints me.
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On December 10 2010 13:24 dusthoof wrote:
I'm still the 90%, he disappoints me.
Me too, hes even more boring to watch than Nestea.
Also, what happened to the guinea pig?
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Maybe he moved on to another team...? Join SlayerS? I dunno haha, but definitely not a part of the team anymore...
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TSL_Rain is really underrated. After he beat Genius I knew he'd easily dismantle Hongun, and though the win over Nestea was quite a surprise, he showed that he's capable of micro and capable of winning.
Rain's defense against the chargelot rush was impeccable. He did exactly what he needed to, as if he could hear what Artosis was saying about bugging out the zealot AI. Rain is generally calm under pressure, it seems, even though occasionally he'll slip up.
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Must say I was shocked by his play. However he thinks Jinro will beat oGsMC so he is a baller in my opinion!
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Really like this kid. Three great players left so it can only get better from here! Pumped for todays semis. Jinro FIGHTING!
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ahhh rain... good luck to you in the finals but we all know jinro will win it all
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Kinda childish behaviour to insult a player who's gone so far in this tournament..he's right to abuse of these cheese rushes, even though it hurts my eyes as well, but there is no reason why ppl should give him hell for that...cmon', thats not an appropriate way to make the community gathered and strong...
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Either I do not understand english or it seems to me that rather than some TSL plays, BOs et strategies we have seen TSL plaied with strategies and Build orders created by the TSL members (mostly Clide and sSKS from what I understood). So congratulation for their good execution. However in my mind TSL has prooved nothing to me. He is still a "cheeser" that has hard time to change is own play stile.
After all these critics I have to say that I was highly disapointed by the community to go to TSL forum/website to critic directly the player. There is a big difference between sharing opinions and ideas with other persons on a stream or a forum and insulting someone directly.
Another point that I want to focus on is that even if I (and some others) do not like the "cheese" style play, as long as it wins you games there are no reasons that we are going to see less of them. Yes TSL rain is a cheeser in my point of view, and No we should not blame him but rather the other players for not figuring out a style to counter it (things that obviously is impossible).
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Keep in mind guys, one way or the other.
Rain would beat us all, even when we do epix fusion power.
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I'm having trouble connecting to the HQ streaming server, getting error code 0x00000071. I have bought the season ticket. Has anyone else had this problem?
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if any other person then maybe NesTea or Rain would have advanced to the finals, + Show Spoiler + would have an easy time winning the grand prize.
i think Rain, the + Show Spoiler + slayer, is just the perfect counter to make a finals vs + Show Spoiler + interesting. + Show Spoiler +(as he would cheese anybody else out way to easy, see jinro)
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On December 10 2010 20:54 Heimatloser wrote:if any other person then maybe NesTea or Rain would have advanced to the finals, + Show Spoiler + would have an easy time winning the grand prize. i think Rain, the + Show Spoiler + slayer, is just the perfect counter to make a finals vs + Show Spoiler + interesting. + Show Spoiler +(as he would cheese anybody else out way to easy, see jinro)
This was so annoying to read :> It's a semi-final interviews thread. You don't have to use spoilers when we already see the interviews on the front page.
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Bah... JinrO vs MC, not one game lasting more than 10 minutes...
Boring GSL, GSL 3 is the worst yet imo: GSL 1 was worse but it was understandable for its time... GSL 3 had my hopes up after GSL 2s huge improvement... but this just isn't it
Didn't feel like JinrO even thought he could win, or perhaps the nerves were getting to him about the early game. Its a shame, he really could've won if he held his head cool.
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Fuck it Jinro is out...
Man i crossed all fingers for him but MC was just hilarously good:D
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He looks like Harry Potter and it annoys me so. Hopefully the finals will be good but as far as I'm concerned the finals have jsut been played.
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I think MC completely outplayed Jinro. Probably because Jinro (and Team Liquid) were staying at oGs house in Korea and they got to play each other quite a bit. And I think MC was scared to get into the late game with Jinro because he is such a strong player in the late game. I love watching Jinro games because he actually expands and that is why MC did such strong openings to counter that. Overall it seems that the Korean play style is off of two bases (unless you're zerg) or one base all-ins.
I don't think Rain has much of a chance against MC because MC has such good timings. Also everyone keeps saying Rain is a protoss killer which is true but I think MC will analyze those games and pick apart his strategy.
I think MC will win the finals. Hopefully the games will be nice and long because I like seeing the High Templar tech.
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TSL_Rain, 'I will satisfy everyone in the finals.'
indeed you will
+ Show Spoiler +by getting steamrolled on stage
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On December 10 2010 23:26 SmoKim wrote:indeed you will + Show Spoiler +by getting steamrolled on stage
I had to laugh at that one, GJ.
The finals are gonna be interesting :D
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Ok, so first of all this is only my opinion. MC is really confident and has a very solid play, he will probably win the GSL Season 3. Btw he deserve it. He disfigured Jinro, this was expected. About Nestea, i guess he is overrated, Rain won against him because he made a lot of mistakes, and common (I play toss) but when you talk about a good zerg you talk about FD not Nestea. Also on GSL 2 finals Foxer lost the final because he wanted to make show.. to demonstrate the he is TheMarineKing (what he is - I`d say he is one of the most talented programmer from GSL, when he want to play macro games also to win the other side of the watchers he will do good), anyhow he had 3-1 he could win with a safe game from the last 3.
I hope we will see a good final, rush matches are not necessarily bad games (Jinro - MC game 4), you have a lot of excitement in those games also.
I hope a 4-3 MC win in the finals.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Is anyone going to do the MC interview? A CN TL version is up. I might do it just to tide people over until the KR version gets translated.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Quick TL for CN
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Q: After switching over from SCBW, were you anxious to produce results?
A: I started playing Starcraft 2 back when I was still with MBCGame. After I left, my ex-teammates talked about it with me as well. At first, I believe that I was still not strong enough and didn't have much hope in the tournament. But during season two, my expectations rose much higher. Even so, I believe my achievements in season three are already quite good.
Q: Was it hard to practice for the match?
A: Team TL has its own practice room. The living room was used by us oGs team members. Usually when we practice we won't care too much if the other is watching. Our relationship is very good, and we often play jokes or make digs at each other.
Q: Did you think you would achieve a commanding 4-0 victory?
A: My record against Terrans is very good, and I have played thousands of games against Jinro. I believe I know his playing style and that's why I believe I could achieve the victory today. It wasn't too surprising for me.
Q: Do you feel guilty about winning?
A: As I have said before in the Ro32 interview, I will not feel guilty. I feel I was the better player and that is the best way to respect my opponent. It's the same this time. I will become the champion, for Jinro's case, as well.
Q: Jinro had some defenses but still didn't stand up to your attack.
A: The experience of being a Starcraft 1 professional has helped me a lot. Starcraft 2 is all about looking at your opponent's opening and guessing his follow up strategy. This aspect of the game is even more important than in Starcraft. So as a SC1 pro, it makes me stronger than many people. I feel that there are currently no Terrans that can match up with my play. Although if Flash were to switch over, I might change my mind (laughs).
Q: Was Jinro's all-in attack in game 4 very powerful? [TL: dangerous?]
A: I wasn't too surprised. I just wasn't able to produce my DTs fast enough. On the whole, my strategy was the perfect counter to my opponent's play. Destroying the CC was the key to securing my victory.
Q: After the GG in the 4th game, what were you thinking?
A: I was only thinking that I am finally in the finals. I didn't think much else. Since my opponent was a friend and victory wasn't very climactic, it was sort of awkward.
Q: The previous champions were all SC1 pros.
A: I would also like to become on of them. My opponent is a Terran, so I believe my victory is already well within my grasp[the eminently plausible outcome]. I definitely will not lose to any all-out all-ins. He might be able to win one in a thousand. If he can win a second game, it'd already be a success.
Q: What are your thoughts after watching yesterday's game.
[TL: sentences felt out of order in the original.]
A: I am not belittling my opponent. I'd like to make that clear. I only feel that HongUn played really poorly in that match. We all thought that HongUn was a lock to advance. There are lots of good Terrans on my team, and even though TSL has sSKS, I don't think he will be able to play better than me. I am only saying this just now. I am the first Protoss to advance into the finals, and I can proudly declare that I am the best Protoss.
GSL-MC：I've played thousands of games against Jinro and I am the best Protoss.
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Something extra: MC defeats Jinro 4-0 [TL: not sure of context - feels different than first part]
Q：Are your parents cheering for your victory?
A：For my mother, I must win the championship. For myself, for my teammates, and for my friends, I must win the championship.
Q：Are you going to send presents to all those fans that came with cheerfuls for you?
A：I was too concentrated on the match. I forgot them. I had to call Inca to bring them in from our practice hall. After the interview, I'll give them out.
Q：Any last words.
A：Mom naturally be ecstatic. I want to say, "Mom, I love you." I want to thank all the teammates that helped me practice. I still have one more match. I will show everyone the utmost strength, the utmost confidence, and the ultimate ceremony.
Many typos. I apologize in advance. KR translators, please correct if necessary.
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Did you just reserve a spot? ~.~ Can't wait for the interview.
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MC should comment he'd take out Rain 4-0 in the finals
Not only that is his personality, it's a good gesture to his friend Jinro
The problem with MC so dominating versus T is the sentries and VR
I think GAS STEAL is a must against a protoss like MC
Force P to get gas late, trim down the size of sentry/VR early on
Maybe send 2 SCV, 1 building the Refinery, 1 microing and repair it
the gas MUST be delayed to maximize the efficiency of bunkers, if T is going to expo
otherwise, might as well skip oribital command and put down 3 rax asap on 1 gas, or skip techlab/reactor and pump rines on 2 rax, expo, put down 3rd/4th rax
marine heavy army to stall until expo is up
Stim upgrade first is good idea, MC hasn't give T opponent a chance to kite, since at any given point MC's army can take on T's army fairly well
I was just curious when Jinro scouts with reaper why didn't he attack the lone sentry?
sentries fall so fast to reaper, i think sniping the sentries out is also a good idea, together with bunker/turret defense
it forces 2 gas toss to get stalkers (a mineral heavy unit in the first 6 minutes), so toss would have to delay building his additional gate/pylon/expo buildings, slighting pushing his timings back for a good 10~15 seconds
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On December 11 2010 02:27 SeakayKu wrote:
MC should comment he'd take out Rain 4-0 in the finals
Not only that is his personality, it's a good gesture to his friend Jinro
The problem with MC so dominating versus T is the sentries and VR
I think GAS STEAL is a must against a protoss like MC
Force P to get gas late, trim down the size of sentry/VR early on
Maybe send 2 SCV, 1 building the Refinery, 1 microing and repair it
the gas MUST be delayed to maximize the efficiency of bunkers, if T is going to expo
otherwise, might as well skip oribital command and put down 3 rax asap on 1 gas, or skip techlab/reactor and pump rines on 2 rax, expo, put down 3rd/4th rax
marine heavy army to stall until expo is up
Stim upgrade first is good idea, MC hasn't give T opponent a chance to kite, since at any given point MC's army can take on T's army fairly well
I was just curious when Jinro scouts with reaper why didn't he attack the lone sentry?
sentries fall so fast to reaper, i think sniping the sentries out is also a good idea, together with bunker/turret defense
it forces 2 gas toss to get stalkers (a mineral heavy unit in the first 6 minutes), so toss would have to delay building his additional gate/pylon/expo buildings, slighting pushing his timings back for a good 10~15 seconds
It's shithard to gas-steal as terran. It's not like you can warp in an assimilator and run away with your probe, or turn your drone into an extractor. As terran the SCV is always exposed to damage.
Don't ever skip orbital, if you do and he goes DT you're dead. If you do and he puts on pressure and you have to pull SCVs, you're dead. Early pressure against MC is not very smart since his sentry play is outstanding.
Also for everything you mentioned to work, the protoss must play by the terran rules, which he never does. This is theorycrafting at its worst.
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who was MC in MBC? His nickname ?
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He might be able to win one in a thousand. If he can win a second game, it'd already be a success.
lol Suicide Toss Fighting!
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On December 11 2010 02:56 Samurai- wrote:
who was MC in MBC? His nickname ?
Iron. In the Hyungjoon becomes a progamer show everyone called him Flounder. :D
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On December 11 2010 02:58 [ur]Chin wrote:Iron. In the Hyungjoon becomes a progamer show everyone called him Flounder. :D
It's funny that in Hyungjoon's show, MC was behaving so timidly. I really had the wrong impression about his personality.
If Rain can take even one game off MC, straight up or cheese all in, I'd be impressed.
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Does anyone remember Artosis saying while introducing Iron that he had gotten really far in a starleague before switching over to SC2 or something completely wrong like that? Am I just crazy or was Artosis wrong/confusing Iron with someone else?
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Sanya12364 Posts
On December 11 2010 02:23 [ur]Chin wrote:
Did you just reserve a spot? ~.~ Can't wait for the interview.
In the middle of typing I hit tab + space by accident. I then deleted the post.
Turned out to serve as the TL post.
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On December 10 2010 20:54 Heimatloser wrote:if any other person then maybe NesTea or Rain would have advanced to the finals, + Show Spoiler + would have an easy time winning the grand prize. i think Rain, the + Show Spoiler + slayer, is just the perfect counter to make a finals vs + Show Spoiler + interesting. + Show Spoiler +(as he would cheese anybody else out way to easy, see jinro)
lol did you watch the right semifinals? MC never cheesed a single time, his early aggro was just so good that he was able to finish jinro off before getting to the late game. None of his openings were cheeses, just aggression and rush, rain on the other hand builds marines and sends all his scvs, one is a strategy that can be transitioned out of, one is a cheese.
As for people saying he was afraid of Jinro's late game....I don't think so, Jinro's late game is pretty good but MC has proven that he can play the macro game just as well as he can play the early game. And in the long games where Jinro beat choya, if it was MC in Choya's place, MC would not have lost. Choya made a ton of mistakes.
Plus everything about "he knew Jinro too well" yeah he knew Jinro well, but his playstyle wasn't much different from what he did against MK and Hyperdub, and anyways Jinro knows him just as well, yet I didn't see a 4-0 from his side, knowing a player well through being practice partners doesn't just give one player an advantage.
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On December 11 2010 02:52 drlame wrote:
This is theorycrafting at its worst.
2nd rax before orbital is not a theory, it works against VRs and opens marine play early on to force sentries to use energy, DT toss won't even get the tech in time
gas steal "delays" the gas mining for a long as possible, now that's a theory, reason i said "might" and "maybe"
which after testing, it is not as bad as it seems, it forces toss to get zealot out, because stalker is too slow
without finishing the refinery, T can cancel, scout scv normally is wasted anyways
i mean, obviously nothing else for T worked against MC right?
unless you are saying P is overpowered against T?
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That sucks for jinro
He seemed to fall apart right after the 1st game
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Q: Do you feel guilty about winning?
A: As I have said before in the Ro32 interview, I will not feel guilty. I feel I was the better player and that is the best way to respect my opponent. It's the same this time. I will become the champion, for Jinro's case, as well.
That is pretty fucking baller to say though, I'll give him that. Giving his most even thought it was somehow cheapstake to; It was still the best way to respect ones opponent giving oneselfs all.
I like asians that way, alot of honour.
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Should be an easy victory for MC. I wonder if he answered these questions in this way as part of a psychological battle. If I was Rain and reading these interviews, I'd be scared shitless by now.
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thanks for the TL tangeng
MC really is a baller.
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After seeing the last games oGsMC v LiquidJinro...although Jinro needs to prepare more on agressive players like MCi am very impressed by oGsMC, even though the games were quick, he was very prepared.... now i understand why he says on PvT has 95% win.
GL oGsMC and win the GSL3 for both teams.
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Sangho, Tester, Fruitdealer, CLIDE, Guineapig ... all looking over your shoulder, yeah you better win...
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gas steal "delays" the gas mining for a long as possible, now that's a theory, reason i said "might" and "maybe"
which after testing, it is not as bad as it seems, it forces toss to get zealot out, because stalker is too slow
without finishing the refinery, T can cancel, scout scv normally is wasted anyways
Are you just not aware of the fact that a probe can attack an SCV while he's building that Refinery? Furthermore, you don't need to skip the common 16 supply orbital for an early 2nd rax. 11 and 13 rax or a 12 and 13 rax work with the 16 orbital build. You need to play terran more.
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cant wait to read mc's interview
hes such a baller
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On December 11 2010 01:48 TanGeng wrote:
oGsMC: I still have one more match. I will show everyone the utmost strength, the utmost confidence, and the ultimate ceremony.
Can't wait to see MC's ceremony after smashing Rain!
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Seriously, Rain is my new favourite. Hope he wins it all. The thing with Starcraft is you shall do what you need to do to win, and if that is SCV all ins every game SO be it. It is Blizzard that must redesign the game in a way so it is not worth it unless you are Boxer. If he forfeit the biggest chances to win by not playing like he did, he is just dumb, and just like Morrow when winning IEM Cologne, he did the right thing. The players shall do their best to exploit and grab wins as easily as possible, it is the game designers that shall make it entertaining. + Show Spoiler + You saw what happened with FA when he tried to play a standard defensive game vs a great P. With SCV all ins every game I doubt it would have ended 4-0.
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Q: The previous champions were all SC1 pros.
A: I would also like to become on of them. My opponent is a Terran, so I believe my victory is already well within my grasp[the eminently plausible outcome]. I definitely will not lose to any all-out all-ins. He might be able to win one in a thousand. If he can win a second game, it'd already be a success.
Korean interviews need more of this. We need more personalities, especially a good heel (pro wrestling/MMA term)
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MC's got some NexGenius in him. I love it.
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On December 11 2010 08:24 Omigawa wrote:Show nested quote +Q: The previous champions were all SC1 pros.
A: I would also like to become on of them. My opponent is a Terran, so I believe my victory is already well within my grasp[the eminently plausible outcome]. I definitely will not lose to any all-out all-ins. He might be able to win one in a thousand. If he can win a second game, it'd already be a success. Korean interviews need more of this. We need more personalities, especially a good heel (pro wrestling/MMA term)
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDRA!
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On December 11 2010 08:24 Omigawa wrote:Show nested quote +Q: The previous champions were all SC1 pros.
A: I would also like to become on of them. My opponent is a Terran, so I believe my victory is already well within my grasp[the eminently plausible outcome]. I definitely will not lose to any all-out all-ins. He might be able to win one in a thousand. If he can win a second game, it'd already be a success. Korean interviews need more of this. We need more personalities, especially a good heel (pro wrestling/MMA term)
Well in fairness, Jinro is one of the only Terrans in the metagame not going all-in and winning. And, sadly, he got completely stomped by MC. Frankly, I think he's being pretty matter of fact about it.
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I don't think Rain will pull more than 1 all-in next week, I'm hoping since they are both almost guaranteed to be super aggressive it just balances out and goes into some epic long match for one of the sets. Still, I would say 4-1 is probably what most of us are thinking.
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On December 11 2010 03:32 [ur]Chin wrote:
Does anyone remember Artosis saying while introducing Iron that he had gotten really far in a starleague before switching over to SC2 or something completely wrong like that? Am I just crazy or was Artosis wrong/confusing Iron with someone else?
He said that about MVP. Iron was an A-teamer, but a very low tier, while MVP was at his peak in BW (making it to ro8 before losing to Flash) when he switched over.
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haha i like that flounder so much
godly interview
thanks for translating
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makes me sad that 2 people who cheese and play early game are going to be in the finals its going to be boring
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On December 11 2010 08:37 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 03:32 [ur]Chin wrote:
Does anyone remember Artosis saying while introducing Iron that he had gotten really far in a starleague before switching over to SC2 or something completely wrong like that? Am I just crazy or was Artosis wrong/confusing Iron with someone else? He said that about MVP. Iron was an A-teamer, but a very low tier, while MVP was at his peak in BW (making it to ro8 before losing to Flash) when he switched over.
To be more precise, irOn was like the third best player in Dream League last year, and finally made some appearances in A-Team before leaving.
The first two being Snow and Soulkey, who are quite successful nowadays. While MVP was..... consistently medium-range, Iron was blooming quite fast.
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On December 11 2010 08:43 .Carnage wrote:makes me sad that 2 people who cheese and play early game are going to be in the finals its going to be boring
then don't watch lol..but you need to learn what a timing attack is if you think MC was cheesing in those games. MC only cheesed once really and that was vs MarinekingPrime....according to your logic you wouldn't want him in the finals anyways
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MC be the hero the protoss need! Sad that Jinro lost, bust happy a protoss in Grand Finals
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final four in the first interview now final for
Good interviews though, but I think the winner will be that guy.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On December 11 2010 02:56 Samurai- wrote:
who was MC in MBC? His nickname ?
MBCGameHero IrOn or
MBCGameHero Flounder
also FoxerPrime a.k.a MarineKingPrime to in MBC his id
MBCGameHero Clare
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On December 11 2010 08:55 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 08:37 zerious wrote:On December 11 2010 03:32 [ur]Chin wrote:
Does anyone remember Artosis saying while introducing Iron that he had gotten really far in a starleague before switching over to SC2 or something completely wrong like that? Am I just crazy or was Artosis wrong/confusing Iron with someone else? He said that about MVP. Iron was an A-teamer, but a very low tier, while MVP was at his peak in BW (making it to ro8 before losing to Flash) when he switched over. To be more precise, irOn was like the third best player in Dream League last year, and finally made some appearances in A-Team before leaving. The first two being Snow and Soulkey, who are quite successful nowadays. While MVP was..... consistently medium-range, Iron was blooming quite fast.
I don't know if Iron would ever have been a top P, but I agree that he had a higher ceiling than MVP. If they'd both kept playing BW for another year or two, I would have put my money on Iron being better.
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"He might be able to win one in a thousand. If he can win a second game, it'd already be a success."
I love the arrogance, so hilarious and I doubt he'd come out after losing and blame it on race balance. <3
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[QUOTE]On December 11 2010 08:43 .Carnage wrote:
makes me sad that 2 people who cheese and play early game are going to be in the finals its going to be boring [/QUOTE
wait..... what .......r.......u....talking.....abt?
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
nice to see a protoss in the finals woots
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On December 11 2010 08:43 .Carnage wrote:makes me sad that 2 people who cheese and play early game are going to be in the finals its going to be boring
it makes me sad that people call things cheese when they're not.
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On December 11 2010 08:43 .Carnage wrote:makes me sad that 2 people who cheese and play early game are going to be in the finals its going to be boring
lol, by definition Jinro "cheesed" more than MC, plus cheese is such a bad word used by people who think only 30+ minute macro games are not cheese. Cheeses are pretty much hyper cannon rushing, 6 pooling, etc.. All-ins, Void Rays, Proxies, etc. are not cheese, they are All-ins, Void Rays, Proxies, etc.. You obviously didn't watch or are just overly zealous about Jinro and/or NesTea.
Plus: He might be able to win one in a thousand games, if he can win a second game, I'd consider him very successful. lol
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well ogs has nada, he may not be a sc2 beast but game sense wise he is still an ex-bonjwa and the best of the bests ....
then again tsl has good protosses
actually those teams have so many good players to help mc and rain it's not even funny ...
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2010 08:37 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 03:32 [ur]Chin wrote:
Does anyone remember Artosis saying while introducing Iron that he had gotten really far in a starleague before switching over to SC2 or something completely wrong like that? Am I just crazy or was Artosis wrong/confusing Iron with someone else? He said that about MVP. Iron was an A-teamer, but a very low tier, while MVP was at his peak in BW (making it to ro8 before losing to Flash) when he switched over.
Damnit I knew he said it about someone! I just pulled an all nighter so my head isnt exactly straight! :D
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MC is a fucking baller - I love this kid! I hope he crushes Rain hard in the finals.
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I like MC. Others may say he's cocky or arrogant but he pre-faces his words pretty well. He makes it clear that he's not trying to insult anybody but is instead very confident in his own skills. I hope he wins in the finals.
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Some confidence from a Protoss! Go oGsMC, Jang Min Chul you are sick good.
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MC's words are perfectly chosen (if you think that's just overconfident trashtalking go ahead thinking that cause you have no fucking clue anyway), he know's how to play mindgames and uses it as much as he can. He knows that Rain will try to play less cheesy cause of all the flames etc - and he can use that fact into his preparation quite well. And rain has seen what MC can do against Terran.
To be honest, if Rain has the guts to overcome that - he is a true champion - because this whole scenario (ingame and outside) MC has set up for him is gonna be SICK to deal with...
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On December 11 2010 11:51 iNfeRnaL wrote:
MC's words are perfectly chosen (if you think that's just overconfident trashtalking go ahead thinking that cause you have no fucking clue anyway), he know's how to play mindgames and uses it as much as he can. He knows that Rain will try to play less cheesy cause of all the flames etc - and he can use that fact into his preparation quite well. And rain has seen what MC can do against Terran.
To be honest, if Rain has the guts to overcome that - he is a true champion - because this whole scenario (ingame and outside) MC has set up for him is gonna be SICK to deal with...
Yah, I feel like anyone that beats MC in a bo7 deserves to be champ. He's probably the last player I'd wanna face right now, and if Rain somehow, somehow beats MC, it won't matter how. He deserves to win.
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I almost forgive TSL_Rain until I remember he got 30k without much effort. It's his fault anyway so just can't let him enjoy that 30 grand so easily. At least he needs to be an emo man with money for a while.
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"I think he's very easy man. Easy game I think" when asked about TSL_Rain.
OgsMC is such a baller.
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TSL has TSL_sSKS, but I don't think he's at my level.
Hahahah. I love MC.
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little bit arrogant, but's ok I don't feel too bad, lol
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
These GSL interviews are so much juicier than BW interviews. Hell, I could falsify a BW interview, and no one would ever notice, because they're all the same. We've seen a good amount of personality thus far in these interviews.
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MC make me think about firebathero in his good day
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MC rules. Seriously. He's like if Genius were 100% nicer but just as cocky, only he's actually as good as he thinks he is.
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On December 11 2010 15:51 awesomoecalypse wrote:
MC rules. Seriously. He's like if Genius were 100% nicer but just as cocky, only he's actually as good as he thinks he is.
Yeah, that's the perfect contrast. Maybe it's his BW pro experience, but MC is great at projecting himself in a funny/cocky but non-abrasive manner. The way he balances out his interviews is masterful. He's really diplomatic about destroying Jinro. He doesn't really say anything about Rain being undeserving, just that he's confident in his own skills at PvT. And then he plugs his mom. What's not to like?
Genius is more like FBH.
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On December 11 2010 08:43 .Carnage wrote:makes me sad that 2 people who cheese and play early game are going to be in the finals its going to be boring
Wait what!? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about or you haven't watched the games. I know you were hoping for a IdrA vs Nestea finals, now there is excitement for you! 8 hours of droning up and sending maxed armies at each other... ^_*
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I hope Rain wins, go terrans!
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On December 10 2010 02:54 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 02:44 OutlaW- wrote:On December 10 2010 02:39 mardi wrote:
he's a pretty solid of a player. He wasn't very outstanding, just solid and solid play is what wins games. Jinro vs Rain will be good. you seem to forget about a certain someone that will probably stomp jinro 4;1 You seem to forget all the times people have said such things so far in GSL 3 and been completely wrong about it. Since when did MC turn into God?
yea, sorry, I was wrong he stomped him 4;0
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MC is awesome. I hope final will be worthy and not just 5-10 minute long games.
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Q. The previous champions were all SCBW progamers.
A. I would like to become one of them. I already think victory is within my grasp since my opponent is a terran. I never lose to all-ins. He might be able to win one in a thousand games, if he can win a second game, I'd consider him very successful.
Hehe. Badass answer.
MC HWAITINGG
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hahaha i totally forgot about hyungjoon MC FIGHTING
ty translators
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Better than tester is pretty brash but he hasn't been in the last two GSLs so I think it's very accurate.
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On December 12 2010 00:49 dcberkeley wrote:
Better than tester is pretty brash but he hasn't been in the last two GSLs so I think it's very accurate.
You saw his play in the G-stars he wasn't that great. He lost to MK which MC beat.
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when Tester's at his best, he pulls wins out of games it looked like he'd lost 100%.
when MC's at his best he makes it look like his opponent never even had a chance to win.
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this is going to be the most 1 sided finals ever.
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On December 11 2010 16:49 khellian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 08:43 .Carnage wrote:makes me sad that 2 people who cheese and play early game are going to be in the finals its going to be boring Wait what!? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about or you haven't watched the games. I know you were hoping for a IdrA vs Nestea finals, now there is excitement for you! 8 hours of droning up and sending maxed armies at each other... ^_*
lol, damn right. Watching Zerg droning up like crazy make me sad. Terran with little armies drop is fun to watch as hell :D
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On December 11 2010 03:45 Fenrisulf wrote: lol did you watch the right semifinals? MC never cheesed a single time, his early aggro was just so good that he was able to finish jinro off before getting to the late game. None of his openings were cheeses, just aggression and rush, rain on the other hand builds marines and sends all his scvs, one is a strategy that can be transitioned out of, one is a cheese. As for people saying he was afraid of Jinro's late game....I don't think so, Jinro's late game is pretty good but MC has proven that he can play the macro game just as well as he can play the early game. And in the long games where Jinro beat choya, if it was MC in Choya's place, MC would not have lost. Choya made a ton of mistakes. Plus everything about "he knew Jinro too well" yeah he knew Jinro well, but his playstyle wasn't much different from what he did against MK and Hyperdub, and anyways Jinro knows him just as well, yet I didn't see a 4-0 from his side, knowing a player well through being practice partners doesn't just give one player an advantage.
first of all i want to defend rain:
he did allin in 2 out of 5 games vs nestea!
2 of the others where he didnt allin he lost.
and the last set was the famous makabunker (it was so sad watching nestea there, desperately trying to come back)
and second of all:
you cant win vs protoss without applying early pressure, so i still think rain is just the right terran for this finals against mc.
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On December 12 2010 04:41 Heimatloser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 03:45 Fenrisulf wrote:On December 10 2010 20:54 Heimatloser wrote:if any other person then maybe NesTea or Rain would have advanced to the finals, + Show Spoiler + would have an easy time winning the grand prize. i think Rain, the + Show Spoiler + slayer, is just the perfect counter to make a finals vs + Show Spoiler + interesting. + Show Spoiler +(as he would cheese anybody else out way to easy, see jinro) lol did you watch the right semifinals? MC never cheesed a single time, his early aggro was just so good that he was able to finish jinro off before getting to the late game. None of his openings were cheeses, just aggression and rush, rain on the other hand builds marines and sends all his scvs, one is a strategy that can be transitioned out of, one is a cheese. As for people saying he was afraid of Jinro's late game....I don't think so, Jinro's late game is pretty good but MC has proven that he can play the macro game just as well as he can play the early game. And in the long games where Jinro beat choya, if it was MC in Choya's place, MC would not have lost. Choya made a ton of mistakes. Plus everything about "he knew Jinro too well" yeah he knew Jinro well, but his playstyle wasn't much different from what he did against MK and Hyperdub, and anyways Jinro knows him just as well, yet I didn't see a 4-0 from his side, knowing a player well through being practice partners doesn't just give one player an advantage. first of all i want to defend rain: he did allin in 2 out of 5 games vs nestea! 2 of the others where he didnt allin he lost. and the last set was the famous makabunker (it was so sad watching nestea there, desperately trying to come back) and second of all: you cant win vs protoss without applying early pressure, so i still think rain is just the right terran for this finals against mc.
mc already made it threw marineking. rain will be no problem what so ever.
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Q. The previous champions were all SCBW progamers.
A. I would like to become one of them. I already think victory is within my grasp since my opponent is a terran. I never lose to all-ins. He might be able to win one in a thousand games, if he can win a second game, I'd consider him very successful.
Bwahahaha. Straight from the mouth of MC, he doesn't even think a 4-1 is likely.
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On December 12 2010 00:52 HeroHenry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 00:49 dcberkeley wrote:
Better than tester is pretty brash but he hasn't been in the last two GSLs so I think it's very accurate. You saw his play in the G-stars he wasn't that great. He lost to MK which MC beat.
Do you read?
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On December 11 2010 16:49 khellian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 08:43 .Carnage wrote:makes me sad that 2 people who cheese and play early game are going to be in the finals its going to be boring Wait what!? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about or you haven't watched the games. I know you were hoping for a IdrA vs Nestea finals, now there is excitement for you! 8 hours of droning up and sending maxed armies at each other... ^_*
why was nestea in that sentence?
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Awesome interview, only thing I don't agree with is his saying Tester isn't on his level.
Well, that may be true, but not in the way he was thinking! Jk. In my opinion they are, along with genius, the 3 best protoss currently, tester's just had a run of bad luck as far as I'm concerned.
But I'm really excited to see MC squash rain!!! And MC looks/sounds like an awesome guy.
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On December 12 2010 10:44 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2010 00:52 HeroHenry wrote:On December 12 2010 00:49 dcberkeley wrote:
Better than tester is pretty brash but he hasn't been in the last two GSLs so I think it's very accurate. You saw his play in the G-stars he wasn't that great. He lost to MK which MC beat. Do you read?
tester was awesome in g -star.foxer had to cheese and win game 3. then he drops a mule. THE NERVE.disrespectul &%$*&.
i have nothing to say abt him not qualifying for gsl but with the new GSL system next year my bets on tester to win everything untill STC comes back.then they alternate tourney wins
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Rain definitely changed my opinion in his games against Hongun. He played really well, I was impressed. And of course, played a lot less cheesy
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lol, MC tellin' it like it is. You are going to have so much pizza/korean bbq to buy if you win.
HAHA, "if" he wins. Good one dan.
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I might be a rare kind that hopes Rain actually takes the final. Imagine how it would look for MC if that happened :D
Now we have this cocky protoss player who thinks its 1 in a millian Rain will win. Would be so fun to see him actually lose this.
I still thinks MC has this as well, he is very solid in PvT, so Rain is up for a hard final.
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How can they (Korean fans especially) hate on Rain for cheesing, when the the Emperor Boxer won a starleague entirely by using bunker rushes? I hate cheese in practice matches probably more than the average person, but in tournaments I think it's completely fair.
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On December 13 2010 11:43 ninini wrote:
How can they (Korean fans especially) hate on Rain for cheesing, when the the Emperor Boxer won a starleague entirely by using bunker rushes? I hate cheese in practice matches probably more than the average person, but in tournaments I think it's completely fair.
Actually, after that historical '3-Bunker-Rush-in-a-Row' match against Yellow, people blamed boxer very hard. It was the first time that Boxer's haters overwhelmed Boxer's fans.
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On December 13 2010 11:43 ninini wrote:
How can they (Korean fans especially) hate on Rain for cheesing, when the the Emperor Boxer won a starleague entirely by using bunker rushes? I hate cheese in practice matches probably more than the average person, but in tournaments I think it's completely fair.
Perhaps bunker rushes seemed fresh and innovative for its time. And wasn't Boxer the one who invented them?
The hate started when Rain used only cheese to knock out NesTea, who many consider to be the superior player. And a lot of Terran players were doing 2 rax marine scv all-ins throughout GSL3, so I think everyone was getting tired of seeing it. That, and Rain hasn't really impressed in his run aside from some decent one base builds and timing pushes.
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On December 11 2010 14:28 Roffles wrote:
These GSL interviews are so much juicier than BW interviews. Hell, I could falsify a BW interview, and no one would ever notice, because they're all the same. We've seen a good amount of personality thus far in these interviews.
i bet alot has to do with no Kespa
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he loves his mom
i respect him a lot now :-)
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Its good to finally see toss in the semis and in the finals especially after starting out so badly. Hopefully the toss underdogs can take home the gold just like zerg did in season 1.
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I really hope rain wins. I actually quite like the guy. He knows his flaws and knows his strengths. He takes advantage of any advantage he can get and that's good play in my opinion
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Well shit, if you have oGsTheStC to practice with, no wonder his PvT is so good lol. That guy is brutal
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On December 14 2010 11:40 bulgom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2010 11:43 ninini wrote:
How can they (Korean fans especially) hate on Rain for cheesing, when the the Emperor Boxer won a starleague entirely by using bunker rushes? I hate cheese in practice matches probably more than the average person, but in tournaments I think it's completely fair. Perhaps bunker rushes seemed fresh and innovative for its time. And wasn't Boxer the one who invented them? The hate started when Rain used only cheese to knock out NesTea, who many consider to be the superior player. And a lot of Terran players were doing 2 rax marine scv all-ins throughout GSL3, so I think everyone was getting tired of seeing it. That, and Rain hasn't really impressed in his run aside from some decent one base builds and timing pushes.
If Nestea was a better player than Rain, he would have beaten him. That Rain can bring out new cheese strategies just proves that he's got a great understanding of the game and that Nestea or maybe zergs in general should scout better. In BW you can't skip scouting in PvZ, and then say: He all-in zergling rushed me. That's not fair! There's not a single cheese strategy in BW which you can't deal with if scouted. If this isn't true for SC2, then it's a pretty sucky game.
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On December 17 2010 02:49 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 11:40 bulgom wrote:On December 13 2010 11:43 ninini wrote:
How can they (Korean fans especially) hate on Rain for cheesing, when the the Emperor Boxer won a starleague entirely by using bunker rushes? I hate cheese in practice matches probably more than the average person, but in tournaments I think it's completely fair. Perhaps bunker rushes seemed fresh and innovative for its time. And wasn't Boxer the one who invented them? The hate started when Rain used only cheese to knock out NesTea, who many consider to be the superior player. And a lot of Terran players were doing 2 rax marine scv all-ins throughout GSL3, so I think everyone was getting tired of seeing it. That, and Rain hasn't really impressed in his run aside from some decent one base builds and timing pushes. If Nestea was a better player than Rain, he would have beaten him. That Rain can bring out new cheese strategies just proves that he's got a great understanding of the game and that Nestea or maybe zergs in general should scout better. In BW you can't skip scouting in PvZ, and then say: He all-in zergling rushed me. That's not fair! There's not a single cheese strategy in BW which you can't deal with if scouted. If this isn't true for SC2, then it's a pretty sucky game.
Well except ZvZ, since scouting immediately makes you lose... But yeah, for the other 5 matchups you have a point.
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