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Dustin Browder himself said at Blizzcon that Blizzard look at the matches and not the results. One race winning tournaments more than the others means nothing if the people playing that race are better or more numerous. And vica verca.
Not everybody at the top level is equal. Look at the matches instead of the final standings. So sick of one race winning a tourny and then everybody automatically assuming something must be OP with that race or something must be wrong with the other races and that somehow this imaginery imbalance also translates to their own level of play.
Toss did crap in the GSL because Toss players played like crap in the GSL. Zerg did crap at MLG because Zergs played like crap in MLG (Dallas).
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On November 09 2010 06:37 aepal wrote: I think people forget that Terran is the most played race, thus has the most successful players. Shocker. No, Toss is about equal with Terran in # of players. Toss just wins less than Terran so you think that.
Zerg is least played due to ugly and complexity but have very good win %.
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SjoW is a beast and half of those Terran wins are by his hand, so it may look skewed
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On November 09 2010 12:18 Sniffy wrote: Dustin Browder himself said at Blizzcon that Blizzard look at the matches and not the results. One race winning tournaments more than the others means nothing if the people playing that race are better or more numerous. And vica verca.
Not everybody at the top level is equal. Look at the matches instead of the final standings. So sick of one race winning a tourny and then everybody automatically assuming something must be OP with that race or something must be wrong with the other races and that somehow this imaginery imbalance also translates to their own level of play.
Toss did crap in the GSL because Toss players played like crap in the GSL. Zerg did crap at MLG because Zergs played like crap in MLG (Dallas). I can hardly credit Blizzard with knowing what theyre doing outside of making money. I agree with what you say, but its completely irrelevant because im not tallying one tourney im trying to build up a relevant sample size.
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On November 09 2010 13:58 Malhorn wrote:SjoW is a beast and half of those Terran wins are by his hand, so it may look skewed I dont feel comfortable calling an 80 apm guy who doesnt scout a beast. He's good yea but he would never cut it if he wasnt T.
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have seriously no protoss won a tournament since 1.12? oh god.... i feel so sad inside now =(
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On November 03 2010 06:47 iEchoic wrote: This is dumb, why would you make just a numerical count? There's way more T players in every single tournament so obviously they're going to win more. This also doesn't account for matchup coincidences, like the fact that there were a ton of ZvZs in the GSL 2, which weeded out a lot of zerg players.
People are going to try to make balance assumptions based on this worthless info. If you actually want to have some good data, look at the matchups in top tournaments and look at the advancement rate for non-mirrors.
Some of the posts in here are like saying white people are the best golfers because there are more white golfers, completely ignoring the actual demographics of the population.
Thats great and all, but Terrans dont make up FOUR TIMES the amount of the next closest race, yet they have FOUR TIMES the amount of success. A gap that large cant be ignored by just saying 'oh well there are more terrans'. There aren't THAT many more terrans. My problem with the comparison is you've got these crappy little online tournaments measured up against big live events like blizzcon (invite only btw) and MLG's. They are totally different environments with different player pools and a different level of competition. Having said that though, its pretty ignorant to try to downplay a gap THIS large. How about the fact that more people play protoss than any other race if you consider the entire player pool? Why is it that more people play protoss than any other race and yet the protoss have the least tournament success? Why is it that so many more terrans play in tournaments despite being less represented in the overall population? Could it be because they are so easy to use at a competitive level? No that can't be it... Terran must be the race that all the gosu players play and protoss and zerg players choose those races because they cant fathom the complicated race that is terran. Give me a break. You should really use your own logic and see how it fits
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Honestly I think protoss players just need to learn to use nydus worms..
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On November 09 2010 06:37 aepal wrote: I think people forget that Terran is the most played race, thus has the most successful players. Shocker. Terran is not the most played race. Protoss is, then terran, then zerg
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Stop counting shit and start playing the game !!
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poor toss
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Terran is not the most played race. Protoss is, then terran, then zerg
So terran are OP?
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What the!? Protoss, explain yourself, don't make me go to MLG (comic audience laugh).
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Protoss has not won anything since 1.1.2? No surprise there really. Their entire early game revolves around seconded guessing the opponent or doing an all in tech gamble by not going for robo because they have shit early scouting (IE when scouting matters most). Zealots are also unable to chase scouts out (you are scouted longer than a Terran/zerg is). Another major problem is that all their aoe options are all top tier and hard to get 3 making them very weak to well structured T1 attacks (Mass marine/lng). Oh and Chronoboost sucks as a Racial special.
Their actual units are good and stuff but vs a decent player you'll never live long enough to get them out.
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and so all those toss nerfs have finally caught up... blizz you reap what you sow
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Is it possible to get an update on this?
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