EPTNice info, Zerg and Protoss are more balanced now, though Terran still dominate, though I feel it their domination may reduce with some time, though we'll just have to see.
Balance is going better for now and hopefully it will only improve.
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thehitman
1105 Posts
Nice info, Zerg and Protoss are more balanced now, though Terran still dominate, though I feel it their domination may reduce with some time, though we'll just have to see. Balance is going better for now and hopefully it will only improve. | ||
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crun
Poland30 Posts
keep it updated please. | ||
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Ganondorf
Italy600 Posts
Look how it went on bw, the races took turns to dominate, depending on the metagame and on pro gamers finding new builds and ways to use their units efficiently. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On November 03 2010 05:52 Itrees wrote: I think that's an interesting assertion. I don't see how wanting to see each race get a fair shake at the highest levels of play makes me a worse player. Maybe what you're saying is dangerous is assuming that race distributions in tournament results reflect the power of the races? yeah, that's what i was saying, sorry it wasn't more clear. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
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ensis
Germany340 Posts
omg terran players till are just clearly better than anyone in this completely balanced game! | ||
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Bull-Demon
United States582 Posts
On November 03 2010 07:47 Ganondorf wrote: Balance discussions will always be biased in some way. I got pointed to the Starcraft Bible thread today. Look how it went on bw, the races took turns to dominate, depending on the metagame and on pro gamers finding new builds and ways to use their units efficiently. I think that's definitely true for a game that hasn't been patched in years. But for a game that is being adjusted, it makes sense to compare the sharp differences a patch might bring. It definitely looks like the terran "sky is falling!" commotion was premature. Look how well the gsl terrans adjusted. | ||
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Fluxx
Netherlands58 Posts
On November 03 2010 07:53 Bull-Demon wrote: I think that's definitely true for a game that hasn't been patched in years. But for a game that is being adjusted, it makes sense to compare the sharp differences a patch might bring. It definitely looks like the terran "sky is falling!" commotion was premature. Look how well the gsl terrans adjusted. They didnt adjust at all. If you actually look at the amount of zergs that entered the tournament. The win percentage rate of Zergs till the RO16. Then at the matches where the zergs did get knocked out. End that with the actual players in the matches, you will see that a big percentage of the games of zerg against a non mirror has been won by zerg. Out of the top my head, we have had the best zergs faces eachothers off in a ZvZ matches. Five? Then Foxer destroyed 2 zergs. One of them was Fruitdealer, in which both of the games Fruitdealer didnt even bother to scout. And Boxer killed off an unknown zerg in the RO64. | ||
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Instigata
United States546 Posts
EDIT: Oh and Blizzcon too. Also does anyone know at these big events where the players are in the same room do they play online or some special blizzard setup LAN? | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 03 2010 08:12 Instigata wrote: I think it only really matters in big money tournaments such as GOM or MLG and maybe that one that Huk played in to skip GSL 2. I never really heard of 90% of those people. Difference in effort and preparation when people are playing for a big wad of cash or a paycheck rather than just a fun casual tourney. I dont think these are actually a good measure of balance at all. Firstly you can get someone ridiculously good pulling ridiculous upsets in fruitdealer. And second of all we get pretty much clutch people vs people who choke- Iron for example who always does very well in the comfort of his own home but choked in both GSLs. Or Zenio in GSL 1 who apparently was #1 oGs player in practice but did horribly in the tourney. Playing live for a boatload of money includes a bit different set of skills then pure starcraft 2 strategy. EDIT: Oh and Blizzcon too. Also does anyone know at these big events where the players are in the same room do they play online or some special blizzard setup LAN? It's mostly online, but for blizzcon the players were not online during their games(i added em and checked^^). I'm guessing blizzcon had lan or dedicated server. | ||
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Gomas
Poland311 Posts
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Viruuus
Germany451 Posts
The way the OP is doing it on the other hand is an easy way to avoid mistakes, since you just do the numbers. Of course there is room for interpretation, and correlated numbers like racial percentages of players, but it is still a very good estimator for balance overall. Also, for high level tournaments the percentage of overall race useage does not matter much. And people who argue about including statistics of how many mirrors there were etc, thats plain stupid since the effect on the overall result will converge to zero when the number of tournaments included gets higher. So this might be important for a single tournament, but not for larger databases like this one. And the guy who argued for that in GSL, got wtfpwned by OP anyways :D | ||
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rocketboy77
171 Posts
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
looks like Terrans( with the help of Foxer no doubt) are quickly adjusting to the patch changes to return to their former glory. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 07 2010 07:38 HollowLord wrote: Interesting to note are the massive number of Terran silver medals. Helps the theory that the reason there are so many dominating Terrans is that they are just more Terran players in general. umm in no way does it do so. | ||
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JJEOS
United States127 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 09 2010 02:21 JJEOS wrote: These results are skewed. A lot of the tournaments are in EU which has 1 Zerg 15 Terran and like 3 protoss. for the sake of saving this thread from pointless bickering i would like you to provide evidence that what you say is true. Actually if anything, i skew it in favor of terran- i.e. i have not included the Hazard LAN and neither i am including several russian tourneys because in hazard lan it was just Sjow and russian tourneys are, as always, terran overpopulated. | ||
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rattus22
United States68 Posts
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
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