EPTAt this level the game is looking better balanced than it was for sure, but there's still a lot of issues.
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
At this level the game is looking better balanced than it was for sure, but there's still a lot of issues. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
Confidence plays an important factor, and if you dominate as easily as someone like Sjow or Naama was allowed to for as long as they did because of the imbalance you just gain more confidence and become a better player, grow better practice habits and probably allow yourself to practice more because you get paid better salary by your sponsoring team. I am however afraid that saying that is a mistake and this will be quoted by hundereds of assholes with no clue in the months to come if it turns out that terran is still as overpowered as ever. | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
Thanks for taking the time to collect all this! | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On November 01 2010 08:29 Sfydjklm wrote: to be perfectly honest balance is not the only thing to take into consideration. Confidence plays an important factor, and if you dominate as easily as someone like Sjow or Naama was allowed to for as long as they did because of the imbalance you just gain more confidence and become a better player, grow better practice habits and probably allow yourself to practice more because you get paid better salary by your sponsoring team. Not to mention a lot of people were put off playing Zerg so there are simply less Zerg players right now. With players like Morrow and TLO switching over and as new players come into the game it might equalize. Protoss maybe needs some love too. They always seem to get forgotten :p Edit: part of that is the maps. With Zerg and Terran you have clear distinctions between what is a "Terran" map and what is a "Zerg" map. Rush distance, size of the chokes and the number of backdoors/different routes all play into the balance. With Protoss they kind of fall somewhere in the middle. They want short rush distances against Zerg(but not too short) but they want long rush distances versus Terran so it makes it really hard to think of a purely "Protoss" map. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
Not saying that they are still up and buff zerg! but that... well surprising :> and interesting. I hope this will be updated in the future too, going to be interesting to see how this will evolve. | ||
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SlyinZ
France199 Posts
user was warned for this post even though the automated message isn't showing up - fakesteve | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
We are definatly much closer to balance than before the patch. Personally I'd like to see more Custom maps in tourneys, because many balancing issues will be solved by good map makers (fingers crossed for professional korean map makers for future GSLs). Any Balance patches coming up should only increase the interest in specific units, instead of changing often seen units. ie the Raven or the Hydra could need some love to make them more convenient. I think the game is on a good way to get pretty pretty good. Anyway thanks to the OP for the statistics. | ||
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ZannX
United States70 Posts
 There's 1 random player I see in the list. | ||
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SgtRock
Canada93 Posts
On November 02 2010 23:14 SlyinZ wrote: terran still op... Why do people rate races based on tourney performances? | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On October 27 2010 08:38 Slayer91 wrote: P missing a few first places but I don't see protoss being weak although it seems like nobody is using colossus anymore for no apparent reason in PvZ. Like I saw nightend vs ret and he lost 1-2 without getting storm or colossus vs hydra roach it was like wtf. (won when ret threw away too many units to get broodlords to have them owned by blink) PvT is also pigenholed into colossus stalker vs marauder viking medivac now which is just a micro war which is kinda gay. If they buff P early vT and buff T lategame v P like they want to maybe it will be more interesting. The problem early game is concussive shells. The problem l8 game is that Protoss LOL on anytype of mech play. Literally the counter to mech is protoss.Chargelots,Blink,Voidray,immortal,carrier, phoenix. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On November 01 2010 08:52 Piski wrote: Quite surprising actually. I didn't think zerg was op after the patch but I though they were doing a lot better. Not saying that they are still up and buff zerg! but that... well surprising :> and interesting. I hope this will be updated in the future too, going to be interesting to see how this will evolve. The only issue i have for TvZ is how difficult it is to FE which is pretty much a neccesity against a hatch 1st Zerg. Roach and Banling all-ins just rofflestomp those builds. Personally i feel that Banling Dmg against buildings is pretty ridiculous early game. Omg the Terran is FEing BANLING BUST. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On November 03 2010 04:41 SgtRock wrote: Why do people rate races based on tourney performances? Because that's where the races are played to the fullest potential (currently)possible, and thus the best place to look to find the strength/balance of the races. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Itrees
United States59 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 03 2010 03:55 ZannX wrote: Add a random counter There's 1 random player I see in the list. yea, its "in progress", cant just update after every single tourney=P | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 03 2010 05:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: results are just results. there is far more at play in a tournament than the game's balance. this is dangerous thinking & makes you a worse player. i'm trying to be as polite and civil as i can about the balance discussion these days, but it's becoming harder and harder. Tournament results are pretty much the most accurate indication of balance. Now if you say sample is too small, thats reasonable, saying results dont matter in balance discussion however is simply ignorant. On that perfect segway- yea ignorance is a bliss. Youll surely have easier time if you can ignore whatever balance issues there are, while at the same time maintaining your confidence after losses. but that usually doesnt work unless youre someone as uber as TLO. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
People are going to try to make balance assumptions based on this worthless info. If you actually want to have some good data, look at the matchups in top tournaments and look at the advancement rate for non-mirrors. Some of the posts in here are like saying white people are the best golfers because there are more white golfers, completely ignoring the actual demographics of the population. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 03 2010 06:47 iEchoic wrote: This is dumb, why would you make just a numerical count? There's way more T players in every single tournament so obviously they're going to win more. This also doesn't account for matchup coincidences, like the fact that there were a ton of ZvZs in the GSL 2, which weeded out a lot of zerg players. People are going to try to make balance assumptions based on this worthless info. If you actually want to have some good data, look at the matchups in top tournaments and look at the advancement rate for non-mirrors. Some of the posts in here are like saying white people are the best golfers because there are more white golfers, completely ignoring the actual demographics of the population. now, fakesteve, thats teh sort of retarded comment that is ban worthy. Tell me, iEchoic, do terrans account for 50% of the population? Huh? And i'm sorry to burst your bubble, heres the mirror MU statistics from GSL: 22 TvT | 9 ZvZ | 5 PvP or 7 matches tvt, 4 zvz. Yea i dont account for that do I. | ||
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