e.g. You didn't accomplish a whole lot in sc1.
I mean he just says shit and hopes the guy replies? How hard is it to ask a question?
/rant
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Antipod
Canada18 Posts
e.g. You didn't accomplish a whole lot in sc1. I mean he just says shit and hopes the guy replies? How hard is it to ask a question? /rant | ||
whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On November 06 2010 00:38 whomybuddy wrote: Slayer vs nestea is boring. foxer vs intotheraindow is awesome I feel like foxer gonna win GSL 2. both semi-finals were equally boring. here's to hoping for a good final. | ||
Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. | ||
zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. MVP wasn't anything but the punching bag of Proleague, I don't even think he won more than two games. He was the idol of the Woongjin Terran lineup, that is probably the worst terran lineup of any team, even Airforce ACE. MVP pretty much got on that Power Rank for taking a game off Flash, who is the guy who has currently played 6 consecutive finals in a row. I don't think I need to tell you that the next three games were basically seeing a grown man bash up a little child. Basically what I mean is don't take the power rank seriously (too many people do). | ||
teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. On November 06 2010 00:49 Womwomwom wrote: Show nested quote + No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. MVP wasn't anything but the punching bag of Proleague, I don't even think he won more than two games. He was the idol of the Woongjin Terran lineup, that is probably the worst terran lineup of any team, even Airforce ACE. MVP pretty much got on that Power Rank for taking a game off Flash, who is the guy who has currently played 6 consecutive finals in a row. I don't think I need to tell you that the next three games were basically seeing a grown man bash up a little child. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/590_MVP/games 50% winrate in all his televised matches is considered quite decent, especially when you take a look at some of the players that he beat. | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On November 06 2010 00:37 Antipod wrote: Anyone else slightly annoyed by this interview style? e.g. You didn't accomplish a whole lot in sc1. I mean he just says shit and hopes the guy replies? How hard is it to ask a question? /rant I'm pretty sure fomos rewrites the interview after they do them, which is why you sometimes get weird non-questions, and answers that don't seem to be directed at specific questions. That's how they do it with BW interviews at least. | ||
zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team | ||
XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
Then I will always wonder, but never know, how his SC2 skill level difference from other SC2 players right now. Oh dear... | ||
zzaaxxsscd
United States626 Posts
if Kyrix can take Foxer to the brink with his monomaniacal style, I think Bong has a good chance, especially now that both guys have a week to practice. I wonder who they'll practice against, cuz Bong can ask any of his practice partners to mass marines while Foxer needs to find a really balanced and smart Zerg to practice against - maybe he'll get help from the Zs that got taken out like TheWind and Zenio | ||
teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote: On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 00:49 Womwomwom wrote: No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. MVP wasn't anything but the punching bag of Proleague, I don't even think he won more than two games. He was the idol of the Woongjin Terran lineup, that is probably the worst terran lineup of any team, even Airforce ACE. MVP pretty much got on that Power Rank for taking a game off Flash, who is the guy who has currently played 6 consecutive finals in a row. I don't think I need to tell you that the next three games were basically seeing a grown man bash up a little child. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/590_MVP/games 50% winrate in all his televised matches is considered quite decent, especially when you take a look at some of the players that he beat. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=590&part=games&vs=all&league=all_but_offline&map=any&from_year=2008&from_month=4&from_day=13&to_year=2010&to_month=8&to_day=16&action=Update#tblt-2310-2-1-DESC Take out offline events and he's only got a 41% win rate. Funnily enough, he's most successful against Stork (considering Stork being inconsistent all the damn time, this shouldn't be too surprising I guess). Basically MVP had some really massive streak in the Hana Daetoo MSL where he beat Stork, Best, Baby, and Flash (and Jangbi in PL) which gives him that nice win streak statistic. Outside of that short period, the stats suggest he's a weak player and watching him play will confirm the general the consensus that he's got like 500 APM but no brains to use it right. | ||
Nagano
United States1157 Posts
Goddamnit nestea, why would you do this. | ||
zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On November 06 2010 00:55 teamsolid wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote: On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team S-class= Flash, Jaedong A-class = Leta, Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, free[gm], Sea[shield], Calm, Kal, etc then you have B-class players whom are A-teamers B-class = by.hero, Mind, Light, | ||
XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
On November 06 2010 01:00 zerious wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 00:55 teamsolid wrote: On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote: On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team S-class= Flash, Jaedong A-class = Leta, Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, free[gm], Sea[shield], Calm, Kal, etc then you have B-class players whom are A-teamers B-class = by.hero, Mind, Light, How can light be B team? He went so high in Starleague last season and win some rounds vs Jaedong | ||
zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On November 06 2010 01:04 XiaoJoyce- wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 01:00 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:55 teamsolid wrote: On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote: On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team S-class= Flash, Jaedong A-class = Leta, Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, free[gm], Sea[shield], Calm, Kal, etc then you have B-class players whom are A-teamers B-class = by.hero, Mind, Light, How can light be B team? He went so high in Starleague last season and win some rounds vs Jaedong I was just trying to prove a point . | ||
teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 06 2010 01:00 zerious wrote: Show nested quote + On November 06 2010 00:55 teamsolid wrote: On November 06 2010 00:53 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:50 teamsolid wrote: On November 06 2010 00:46 zerious wrote: On November 06 2010 00:41 Omigawa wrote: On November 05 2010 21:17 Rinny wrote: StonerZerg for bonjwa! This really makes me think that the success of ex brood warians and foreigners is completely dependent on the rts talent pool being tied up in sc1. No one argues that BW is a harder game to play and takes more skill to master, at least at this point in time. I don't think, however, that just because they are both SC that skills from BW immediately translates to SC2. Take mvp for example... checking the TL power ranks he was in the top 10 for BW as few as 6 months ago. If a top 10 player from BW gets knocked out in the ro32, and someone like NaDa, who hasn't been in the top 10 for awhile, can make it to the ro4 there must be something other than BW skill alone that makes a SC2 player successful. I don't think that if/when all the BW players come over to SC2 it will be autowin, except for JD and Flash maybe. I think it's a different game with different skillsets, and the SC2 guys that didn't have a lot of success in BW (NesTea, Fruitdealer, TesteR) have the skillset to do well in SC2. That doesn't mean that current BW pros can aquire that skillset, but if every single BW pro transferred over to SC2 tomorrow I don't think we would see the top 10 from BW immediately become the top 10 in SC2. Just my $0.02. You are seriously underestimating how good A-class SC1 pros are. I think you mean S-class, because Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho are all A-class BW pros and each got knocked out Ro16 or earlier. there's a difference between A-class and A-team Please elaborate. Afaik, A-class = A-team S-class= Flash, Jaedong A-class = Leta, Bisu, Fantasy, Stork, free[gm], Sea[shield], Calm, Kal, etc then you have B-class players whom are A-teamers B-class = by.hero, Mind, Light, You just made up these rankings arbitrarily dude... most people consider Bisu and probably Stork S-class as well. Light and by.hero are easily A-class I dunno what you're talking about. Mind was sick for about a year or two before kinda dropping off a bit, but he's still okay. I would still consider him A-class because he's a regular in WeMade matches. IMO, anyone who is likely to get sent out on in any given PL match is considered A-class (and that includes Tester, Fruit, MVP, Sangho while they were still active). S-Class = Won multiple individual leagues, team ace A-class = A PL regular for their team B-class = Rarely ever gets sent out, except maybe to snipe (e.g. bbyong and Canata from SKT, Tempest from KT, etc) | ||
zyzski
United States698 Posts
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
On November 05 2010 21:20 zerious wrote: first bonjwa gogo Team IM what... please don't say words if you don't understand them Even if nestea 4-0's foxer he wouldn't be considered a bonjwa | ||
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