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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
once again, i never "defended lankill" beyond saying to you that YOU fucked up in calling him out on things when he still hasn't made a single post in the game. if orgo is this loose with his spreadsheet after being called out on his inconsistencies like 12 hours ago (including this specific one), then i do not know how useful it is at all for anyone. | ||
Lexpar
1813 Posts
Pandain: Everyone vote heaven on earth. I think he's really the only good "lynch" today. Either that or Masq, because from there we find out alot on Veldril anyway. But I would prefer Heaven on Earth over masq because we can find out whether the jack o lantern i sactually a clue or not. I want everyone who voted Veldril to change their vote ASAP unless they pm me a reason, or state so in thread. I'd prefer Masq do to. We got this. However, stay on until the end would be preffered in the unlikely case we don't have enough time bumatlarge: 3. The vote lists will help us massively on fishing out opposing faction The first two points have been discussed to death, so make your own observations there. I underestimated what Bill said regarding the sides. I failed to realize that the objective of either side is to kill the other team, regardless of towns numbers. It's almost as if town and mafia roles are reversed, since town just need to outnumber the remaining 8 scum. That means that either side cant win until much later if they lose one member... which is assumed they will if the other faction is smart. If the two candidates for lynch (masq/veldril) contain at least one scum, we can be certain that right now on the lists contain a good number of scum from the opposite faction, depending on what they are. We just need mafia/vamps to kill each other decisively. If they don't they risk the other faction rising ahead. Therefore both teams need to rely on end game tactics. Heh, it's almost as if we don't need to do anything if scum are good players. We just need to follow clues and go with the flow. Masq is my vote, and if hes scum, then we can sift through the current list of masq people for his opposite faction. Me: I'm not sure I understand your guys argument. Everyone should bandwagon with you so that once he's lynched and revealed to be a baddie, we'll know with certainty that everyone who didn't vote to lynch him was on his team? This seems like an incredibly polarized point of view. Please explain yourselves pan/bum. I still don't understand why hes suggesting that doing what he says, because everyone who dosen't is obviously baddie, is a foolproof idea. I'm willing to bet a big chunk of people voting for masq/vel did so out of not wanting to "waste" their vote on someone else, and going with whoever had the highest votes at the time. What are the odds these guys are gonna log on now and change their vote in the last 4 hours? Because they're lazy or maybe work nights, we condemn them to being on a baddie team? | ||
orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:11 annul wrote: you STILL haven't changed that spreadsheet. wow. once again, i never "defended lankill" beyond saying to you that YOU fucked up in calling him out on things when he still hasn't made a single post in the game. if orgo is this loose with his spreadsheet after being called out on his inconsistencies like 12 hours ago (including this specific one), then i do not know how useful it is at all for anyone. Lol, I'm making a compilation of every action - regardless of source. If you disagree with it, then don't use it. | ||
annul
United States2841 Posts
i attacked you for lying. there is a big difference. | ||
orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:07 annul wrote: masq is scum veldril is scum the entire debate is whether it is smarter to vote veldril or masq tonight. who is more dangerous to keep alive. most who view it like this will say veldril. This is a horrible way of looking at it. Let's see whats wrong with this. 1.You assume both are scum. Whats wrong: How is this certain? Or one could argue, likely. Just because Masq got defended by Veldril does not mean they are on the same team. It may lend credence to that, but the point remains certain we do not know which team: town or scum. If you think both are scum it doesn't matter, that's not the point. The point is that we don't know the alignments of EITHER of them for certain. 2. "The entire debate is whether it is smarter to vote veldril or masq tonight.. who is more dangerous to keep alive. Most people who view it like this will say Veldril Whats wrong: First of all, it would be worse to vote Veldril because from voting Masq we gleam vital info on Veldril, while the vise versa does not(aka, we will not gain that much info from lynching Veldril.) And as for smarter, why, wouldn't the clue for Masq be more obvious and evident than the clue for Veldril, and that clue can honestly apply for many people. The contrary does not hold up towards Masq, that clue can really only point towards him. As for voting who is more dangerous, thats a stupid reason. We could always vote Ver because he's never lost a game(I think), but then we could lose a very helpful pro town person. Who's to say whos dangerous, how do you decide that. Usually that indicates a higher skill, but then thats worse for town if they're pro town and lynched. Please, people, think logically. | ||
youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
why do you think killing masq gives us info on veldril but killing veldril doesn't give us info on masq? | ||
annul
United States2841 Posts
and pandain: masq is scum because of the clue on night 0. how this is even a point of contention is beyond me. veldril is scum due to his actions in this thread all game. in fact, veldril himself is BLATANTLY referred to by the night 0 clue. the fate stay night quote, "unlimited blade works" is, to me, just as obvious as masq's pear jack o lantern night 0 clue. so from this i can safely say they are both scum now the question once again is who is more dangerous to leave alive on day 1 town vote. i think that is veldril. THOUGH, that said, IF the town is smart, they kill neither of these two, but it does not seem to be trending that way and if we are gonna take out one of them, take out the active one. | ||
NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:18 orgolove wrote: Oh, and I did fix anything people pointed out. Doesn't mean I'm going to remove things just because someone doesn't like it though i agree that you have your right but a few "wordings" would lead to miss understand later on. I think you should keep the information but fix the word "defending". I dont use that spreadsheet of yours so i personally dont care... Just wana say that the guy got his point. People... please noticed how many times pandain is trying to avoid to explain himself..... | ||
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:08 orgolove wrote: All right. I updated the spreadsheet with everybody's current votes, voting patterns (changes), smurf lists, suspicious patterns etc. https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=html I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team. But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing... Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions. | ||
NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:26 annul wrote: you are not going to fix blatant lies? grats, well done, your input is worthless. and pandain: masq is scum because of the clue on night 0. how this is even a point of contention is beyond me. veldril is scum due to his actions in this thread all game. in fact, veldril himself is BLATANTLY referred to by the night 0 clue. the fate stay night quote, "unlimited blade works" is, to me, just as obvious as masq's pear jack o lantern night 0 clue. . On October 13 2010 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There may or may not be deliberately misleading information in day posts. The mad scientist is the only role able to confirm whether or not a section of the day post contains a legitimate clue or not. Also note that the blades clue can be taken towards many people, even kingjames for his signature(something like "I walk on unlimited swords" or something | ||
orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:26 NB wrote: i agree that you have your right but a few "wordings" would lead to miss understand later on. I think you should keep the information but fix the word "defending". I dont use that spreadsheet of yours so i personally dont care... Just wana say that the guy got his point. People... please noticed how many times pandain is trying to avoid to explain himself..... On October 13 2010 09:27 bumatlarge wrote: I thought my Veldril -> Masq post was important Veldril defended masq, and masq didn't associate with him. Veldril could be scum protecting himself or legitimate towny with opinions, or Masq is innocent thats all well, or hes scum and it's a much greater chance that veldril is on his team. But unless a glaringly obvious lynch comes forward, but between veldril and masq, could dissect which sides we are dealing with. But at a certain point, it does become advantageous for a scum team with >4 players to start town killing... Please go over the win conditions people and realize what we are supposed to be doing here. They are far from ordinary win conditions. I fixed both. And you're right, Pandein, just like Bill Murray, continues to avoid answering questions about their true allegiances. | ||
bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:11 Lexpar wrote: Pandain and bumatlarge you've yet to defend your arguments. Pandain: bumatlarge: Me: I've posted a list of pre-switch votes. Since no one seems to care, I guess they still hold some water. No one is band-wagoning. Just PLEASE pay attention to votes, they are tell tale signs of faction mongering unless people aimlessly throw votes on nobodies. I suggest people investigate those individuals. | ||
Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On October 13 2010 09:30 orgolove wrote: I fixed both. And you're right, Pandein, just like Bill Murray, continues to avoid answering questions about their true allegiances. What the fadoodle are you talking about. I've asked many times what I'm being accused of, and the best I've gotten is "your an endangered species"(<3 quickstriker) And you've been on my scum list for a lil' bit now, orgo. Originally I thought you were very pro town with that spreadsheet but it has many errors, and has a noticable bias in it. Albeit if you're really looking to help, is there a way to send me that list, but without all your info? Only the names and clues and stuff. Also, related to masq and vendril. Defending someone is much more revealing than the person whos getting defended. Aka, mafia could defend me, but I could be town and they're just trying to get pro town points. Or they could be accusing me for their own game. They could do either. However, a person who is GETTING defended is more revealing. If they are mafia, we know mafia wouldn't just continue the brigade on that(most likely, especially if they are a top contender) If they are town, then people who accused them should be looked at with suscipion and people who defended them(thus helping stop bandwagon) are good. Ci? Yum yum | ||
orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
aztrorisk: shmotz--> masq coagulation: seraph-->masq jodogohoo: seraph-->LSB--> coagulation--> youngminii--> coagulation--> Veldril pandain: Pandain--> Masq --> HeavOnEarth Lexpar: Masq-->Veldril jaminz: Veldril --> Bill Murray jcarlsoniv: Veldril--> masq youngminii: jodogohoo--> Veldril seRapH: coagulation--> masq Bill Murray: coagulation--> Veldril --> orgolove --> Veldril --> kingjames01 --> Pandain --> masq Kpyolysis32: Kenpachi --> HeavOnEarth | ||
youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Do not ever let someone take a public discussion/argument and turn it into a private one. | ||
orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
It appears both you and Bill have done the same thing, as I got a similar PM asking for my list of suspicions. | ||
youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
i dont like posting with just one response so here Defending someone is much more revealing than the person whos getting defended. Aka, mafia could defend me, but I could be town and they're just trying to get pro town points. Or they could be accusing me for their own game. They could do either. However, a person who is GETTING defended is more revealing. If they are mafia, we know mafia wouldn't just continue the brigade on that(most likely, especially if they are a top contender) If they are town, then people who accused them should be looked at with suscipion and people who defended them(thus helping stop bandwagon) are good. Ci? Yum yum A person getting defended that doesn't defend the original defender (lolwut) doesn't give out any more information if lynched than the defender getting lynched. | ||
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