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On September 08 2010 20:36 JamesKEenan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:34 sleepingdog wrote: no offense to terrans and no balance-talk intended here:
but seriously, ZvP currently is the most exciting match-up to watch imo; if the P doesn't go for 2 gate pressure there are almost always longer macro-based matches that are fun to watch It's the best because it doesn't include Terran. (Ha, I said it!) No, I've seen some amazing ZvTs.
See protoss don't whine when they lose to zerg. And zergs don't whine on protoss too. There is the balance.
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On September 08 2010 20:37 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:36 NeoLearner wrote:I was wrong last game, but I'm once again going to call 2 gate Don't really understand why he went 1 gate core in the last game... Nope 1 gate core again.
LOL That guy is the the Idra-Toss. I guess he really doesnt like early aggression...
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haha.. artosis is so arrogant
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Too many chipmunk jokes lol... Though I think the zerg should've made more lings.
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ZvP and TvZ I rather like, PvT seems to get boring to me pretty much every late-game. And I'm not a fan of mirror matches
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On September 08 2010 20:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:36 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:30 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:28 Punkstar wrote: bah these zerg really seems to hate hydras His army is 3/4 stalker. Makes no sense that they're not getting hydras. Just boggles my mind. Against 3 or so colossi, that's just throwing money away. Yeah, because those roaches are doing well. What are you smoking? He doesn't have a lot (or any at some point) forcefields to funnel all of the zerg units which cuts down the Col's strength. An arc of the hydras w/ roach/ling can beat that arm yeasily. He's losing because he roach aren't great against either of those. Colossi don't need to funnel against hydras. Hydras arange themselves in a nice firing line which fits perfectly with the colossus firing pattern. Three swipes from a colossus and five hydras burn to death. Roaches were doing fine. He won, so I don't think he needs any advice from you or me. He won because he had 4 expansions while denying the protoss; not because roaches were doing well in battles. Roaches get destroyed by stalker... this isn't even debatable. His unit composition was poor the entire game. Stop defending it and accept it.
Watching hydras huff and puff around only to get melted in five seconds is better? The roaches were doing fine. How can you argue with the results?
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On September 08 2010 20:38 Dionyseus wrote: 1/4th of 25 minerals is like 5 minerals ;p
More like 6?
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3 warp gates up for P, forge starting, now nexus.
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On September 08 2010 20:35 Salteador Neo wrote: The "being revealed" part kinda killed this epic game :S
GG Yeah, I don't like this. In a base trade situation it can be the difference between winning and losing. It really lets Terran win without contest in these situations since they can lift their CC.
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is it just me, or both of these guys deserve to get knocked out of the tournament?
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On September 08 2010 20:38 Vokasak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:36 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:30 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:28 Punkstar wrote: bah these zerg really seems to hate hydras His army is 3/4 stalker. Makes no sense that they're not getting hydras. Just boggles my mind. Against 3 or so colossi, that's just throwing money away. Yeah, because those roaches are doing well. What are you smoking? He doesn't have a lot (or any at some point) forcefields to funnel all of the zerg units which cuts down the Col's strength. An arc of the hydras w/ roach/ling can beat that arm yeasily. He's losing because he roach aren't great against either of those. Colossi don't need to funnel against hydras. Hydras arange themselves in a nice firing line which fits perfectly with the colossus firing pattern. Three swipes from a colossus and five hydras burn to death. Roaches were doing fine. He won, so I don't think he needs any advice from you or me. He won because he had 4 expansions while denying the protoss; not because roaches were doing well in battles. Roaches get destroyed by stalker... this isn't even debatable. His unit composition was poor the entire game. Stop defending it and accept it. Watching hydras huff and puff around only to get melted in five seconds is better? The roaches were doing fine. How can you argue with the results?
So he won because roaches are fine against that unit composition or he outplayed his opponent. Which one makes sense and which one doesn't?
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On September 08 2010 20:38 Vokasak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:36 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:30 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:28 Punkstar wrote: bah these zerg really seems to hate hydras His army is 3/4 stalker. Makes no sense that they're not getting hydras. Just boggles my mind. Against 3 or so colossi, that's just throwing money away. Yeah, because those roaches are doing well. What are you smoking? He doesn't have a lot (or any at some point) forcefields to funnel all of the zerg units which cuts down the Col's strength. An arc of the hydras w/ roach/ling can beat that arm yeasily. He's losing because he roach aren't great against either of those. Colossi don't need to funnel against hydras. Hydras arange themselves in a nice firing line which fits perfectly with the colossus firing pattern. Three swipes from a colossus and five hydras burn to death. Roaches were doing fine. He won, so I don't think he needs any advice from you or me. He won because he had 4 expansions while denying the protoss; not because roaches were doing well in battles. Roaches get destroyed by stalker... this isn't even debatable. His unit composition was poor the entire game. Stop defending it and accept it. Watching hydras huff and puff around only to get melted in five seconds is better? The roaches were doing fine. How can you argue with the results?
What will the Hydras melt to? The colossi?
He had corruptors. Corruptors are a good decision. But Corruptors and *HYDRAS*.
Hydras are the superior ground army. There isn't a debate. Hydras > Stalkers > Roach.
That isn't actually debatable. Roaches can make a fine front line. Hydras are your actual dps.
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On September 08 2010 20:39 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:38 Dionyseus wrote: 1/4th of 25 minerals is like 5 minerals ;p More like 6?
More like 6.25?
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On September 08 2010 20:38 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:36 Crabman123 wrote:On September 08 2010 20:35 Salteador Neo wrote: The "being revealed" part kinda killed this epic game :S
GG Not really. It was over with at that point. If it weren't for that, the protoss wouldn't have gone back to his base to try and save the nexus
No, regardless of being revealed, it was a horrible, horrible idea. He had a chance of winning if he base traded.
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On September 08 2010 20:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:38 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:36 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:30 Vokasak wrote:On September 08 2010 20:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 08 2010 20:28 Punkstar wrote: bah these zerg really seems to hate hydras His army is 3/4 stalker. Makes no sense that they're not getting hydras. Just boggles my mind. Against 3 or so colossi, that's just throwing money away. Yeah, because those roaches are doing well. What are you smoking? He doesn't have a lot (or any at some point) forcefields to funnel all of the zerg units which cuts down the Col's strength. An arc of the hydras w/ roach/ling can beat that arm yeasily. He's losing because he roach aren't great against either of those. Colossi don't need to funnel against hydras. Hydras arange themselves in a nice firing line which fits perfectly with the colossus firing pattern. Three swipes from a colossus and five hydras burn to death. Roaches were doing fine. He won, so I don't think he needs any advice from you or me. He won because he had 4 expansions while denying the protoss; not because roaches were doing well in battles. Roaches get destroyed by stalker... this isn't even debatable. His unit composition was poor the entire game. Stop defending it and accept it. Watching hydras huff and puff around only to get melted in five seconds is better? The roaches were doing fine. How can you argue with the results? So he won because roaches are fine against that unit composition or he outplayed his opponent. Which one makes sense and which one doesn't?
Why is it one or the other? -_-
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On September 08 2010 20:40 Geo.Rion wrote: is it just me, or both of these guys deserve to get knocked out of the tournament?
I think Inca will take care of that next round...
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Chipmunk expects a push, has 3 crawlers at his fat ramp. Toss is poking at it but backing to mid. Robo and 4th gate going up.
Spire for Z.
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On September 08 2010 20:40 Geo.Rion wrote: is it just me, or both of these guys deserve to get knocked out of the tournament?
Agreed, completely. It seems that in the case of these guys, they only made it past the qualifiers because *someone* had to win.
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On September 08 2010 20:40 Fukinkou wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 20:39 Salteador Neo wrote:On September 08 2010 20:38 Dionyseus wrote: 1/4th of 25 minerals is like 5 minerals ;p More like 6? More like 6.25?
In the SC2 world 6.25 is 6 I think
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3rd base at high ground going up for Chipmunk now.
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