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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 08 2010 11:42 GMT
#1101
On September 08 2010 20:40 Vokasak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 20:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:38 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:36 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:30 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:28 Punkstar wrote:
bah these zerg really seems to hate hydras


His army is 3/4 stalker. Makes no sense that they're not getting hydras. Just boggles my mind.


Against 3 or so colossi, that's just throwing money away.


Yeah, because those roaches are doing well. What are you smoking? He doesn't have a lot (or any at some point) forcefields to funnel all of the zerg units which cuts down the Col's strength. An arc of the hydras w/ roach/ling can beat that arm yeasily. He's losing because he roach aren't great against either of those.


Colossi don't need to funnel against hydras. Hydras arange themselves in a nice firing line which fits perfectly with the colossus firing pattern. Three swipes from a colossus and five hydras burn to death.

Roaches were doing fine. He won, so I don't think he needs any advice from you or me.


He won because he had 4 expansions while denying the protoss; not because roaches were doing well in battles. Roaches get destroyed by stalker... this isn't even debatable. His unit composition was poor the entire game. Stop defending it and accept it.


Watching hydras huff and puff around only to get melted in five seconds is better? The roaches were doing fine. How can you argue with the results?


So he won because roaches are fine against that unit composition or he outplayed his opponent. Which one makes sense and which one doesn't?


Why is it one or the other? -_-


Because it's a well known, established fact and clearly testable that stalkers shit on roaches? Seriously, why are you debating this? He won, by doing this strategy because he outplayed his P opponent and got away with having great macro. Every engagement between arms except for 1 or 2 went completely against him because of it.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Vokasak
Profile Joined July 2010
United States388 Posts
September 08 2010 11:43 GMT
#1102
On September 08 2010 20:40 JamesKEenan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 20:38 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:36 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:30 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:28 Punkstar wrote:
bah these zerg really seems to hate hydras


His army is 3/4 stalker. Makes no sense that they're not getting hydras. Just boggles my mind.


Against 3 or so colossi, that's just throwing money away.


Yeah, because those roaches are doing well. What are you smoking? He doesn't have a lot (or any at some point) forcefields to funnel all of the zerg units which cuts down the Col's strength. An arc of the hydras w/ roach/ling can beat that arm yeasily. He's losing because he roach aren't great against either of those.


Colossi don't need to funnel against hydras. Hydras arange themselves in a nice firing line which fits perfectly with the colossus firing pattern. Three swipes from a colossus and five hydras burn to death.

Roaches were doing fine. He won, so I don't think he needs any advice from you or me.


He won because he had 4 expansions while denying the protoss; not because roaches were doing well in battles. Roaches get destroyed by stalker... this isn't even debatable. His unit composition was poor the entire game. Stop defending it and accept it.


Watching hydras huff and puff around only to get melted in five seconds is better? The roaches were doing fine. How can you argue with the results?


What will the Hydras melt to? The colossi?

He had corruptors. Corruptors are a good decision. But Corruptors and *HYDRAS*.

Hydras are the superior ground army. There isn't a debate. Hydras > Stalkers > Roach.

That isn't actually debatable. Roaches can make a fine front line. Hydras are your actual dps.


With corruptors, maybe, but he threw away all the corruptors he had, several times. He had 0 corrupors more often than not. I've seen plenty of zergs with without hydras (including that last game, incidently!)
Practical wisdom is the combination of moral will and moral skill
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 11:44:14
September 08 2010 11:43 GMT
#1103
Mass spine crawlers wow, 5 or 6 at fat ramp now. 8 mutas on the field. Not much damage on the harass, mutas take some stalker dmg.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
SpavaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Croatia175 Posts
September 08 2010 11:44 GMT
#1104
I feel like this game will turn out very bad for Chipmunk
aka imagiNe... "What if Nydus worms could make my coffee, play 2v2 and close threads for me? That would be grand." - riptide
Reuental
Profile Joined July 2009
United States457 Posts
September 08 2010 11:44 GMT
#1105
On September 08 2010 20:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 20:38 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:36 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:30 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:28 Punkstar wrote:
bah these zerg really seems to hate hydras


His army is 3/4 stalker. Makes no sense that they're not getting hydras. Just boggles my mind.


Against 3 or so colossi, that's just throwing money away.


Yeah, because those roaches are doing well. What are you smoking? He doesn't have a lot (or any at some point) forcefields to funnel all of the zerg units which cuts down the Col's strength. An arc of the hydras w/ roach/ling can beat that arm yeasily. He's losing because he roach aren't great against either of those.


Colossi don't need to funnel against hydras. Hydras arange themselves in a nice firing line which fits perfectly with the colossus firing pattern. Three swipes from a colossus and five hydras burn to death.

Roaches were doing fine. He won, so I don't think he needs any advice from you or me.


He won because he had 4 expansions while denying the protoss; not because roaches were doing well in battles. Roaches get destroyed by stalker... this isn't even debatable. His unit composition was poor the entire game. Stop defending it and accept it.


Watching hydras huff and puff around only to get melted in five seconds is better? The roaches were doing fine. How can you argue with the results?


So he won because roaches are fine against that unit composition or he outplayed his opponent. Which one makes sense and which one doesn't?


Starcraft is not about having the perfect unit combination. The speed of the hydras is so stupidly slow that roaches are better for counter attacks and general flanking. Hydras just get wrecked by colo so bad its not even funny. The zerg abused the extra mobility of the roach and thats why it was the correct unit composition. You are correct that it is the correct composition for fighting Ps army in a straight up battle though.
I'm a Crab made of men.
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
September 08 2010 11:44 GMT
#1106
On September 08 2010 20:43 ZapRoffo wrote:
Mass spine crawlers wow, 5 or 6 at fat ramp now. 8 mutas on the field.


He's going to have to do damage with this or risk being contained...
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 11:46:00
September 08 2010 11:45 GMT
#1107
16 mutas fly over stalker ball, about 4 die. Snipes a colo though. Lings run into main, toss army moves to zerg base.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Pyre
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1940 Posts
September 08 2010 11:45 GMT
#1108
horrible blunder!
Vokasak
Profile Joined July 2010
United States388 Posts
September 08 2010 11:45 GMT
#1109
So many free units given away just now.
Practical wisdom is the combination of moral will and moral skill
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
September 08 2010 11:45 GMT
#1110
Everything falls apart for toss in a minute lose 2 collosus and forced back
JamesKEenan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States69 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 11:46:29
September 08 2010 11:46 GMT
#1111
This is the most absurd debate ever.

Hydras beat Stalkers. Stalkers beat Roaches. And let's not forget the Immortals.

It was a mistake not to get Hydras. That's it. Did you see the very last fight? He had like 3 times the army with his roaches, and still lost.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 08 2010 11:46 GMT
#1112
On September 08 2010 20:44 Crabman123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 20:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:38 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:36 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:33 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:30 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:30 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:28 Punkstar wrote:
bah these zerg really seems to hate hydras


His army is 3/4 stalker. Makes no sense that they're not getting hydras. Just boggles my mind.


Against 3 or so colossi, that's just throwing money away.


Yeah, because those roaches are doing well. What are you smoking? He doesn't have a lot (or any at some point) forcefields to funnel all of the zerg units which cuts down the Col's strength. An arc of the hydras w/ roach/ling can beat that arm yeasily. He's losing because he roach aren't great against either of those.


Colossi don't need to funnel against hydras. Hydras arange themselves in a nice firing line which fits perfectly with the colossus firing pattern. Three swipes from a colossus and five hydras burn to death.

Roaches were doing fine. He won, so I don't think he needs any advice from you or me.


He won because he had 4 expansions while denying the protoss; not because roaches were doing well in battles. Roaches get destroyed by stalker... this isn't even debatable. His unit composition was poor the entire game. Stop defending it and accept it.


Watching hydras huff and puff around only to get melted in five seconds is better? The roaches were doing fine. How can you argue with the results?


So he won because roaches are fine against that unit composition or he outplayed his opponent. Which one makes sense and which one doesn't?


Starcraft is not about having the perfect unit combination. The speed of the hydras is so stupidly slow that roaches are better for counter attacks and general flanking. Hydras just get wrecked by colo so bad its not even funny. The zerg abused the extra mobility of the roach and thats why it was the correct unit composition. You are correct that it is the correct composition for fighting Ps army in a straight up battle though.


The protoss seldom had his army in a good position and never really built up static D at it. A decent size control group of lings accomplish the same thing, and I'm not saying "lol go pure hydra". But to simply not put hydras into your unit composition is a mistake. I've talked about this enough already though; everybody knows what's up and the horse is dead.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
September 08 2010 11:46 GMT
#1113
WTF What is this base trading!
Writer@joonjoewong
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
September 08 2010 11:46 GMT
#1114
Protoss death ball moves into zerg nat and kills it, marches into main, mutas are doing little damage in toss main. Game over basically.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
SpavaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Croatia175 Posts
September 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1115
gg -.-
aka imagiNe... "What if Nydus worms could make my coffee, play 2v2 and close threads for me? That would be grand." - riptide
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
September 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1116
On September 08 2010 20:46 ZapRoffo wrote:
Protoss death ball moves into zerg nat and kills it, marches into main, mutas are doing little damage in toss main. Game over basically.


Base trade with army vs Mutalisks? Good luck with that
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
September 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1117
another zerg butchered

is it only idra, cool and just one more that made it through?
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1118
are they sure this chipmunk is prime?
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
September 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1119
On September 08 2010 20:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Because it's a well known, established fact and clearly testable that stalkers shit on roaches? Seriously, why are you debating this? He won, by doing this strategy because he outplayed his P opponent and got away with having great macro. Every engagement between arms except for 1 or 2 went completely against him because of it.

Maybe his plan was to not seek any direct encounters? Hydras are much better than Roaches vs Gateways in straight up fights, nobody will deny that.

But when you go that counterattack-style Roaches fit much better than slow Hydras.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 08 2010 11:48 GMT
#1120
Chipmunk is a bit too slow on the tapouts.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
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