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I'm looking for some really kickass headphones. I'm just using them for ipod/computer mainly. So I don't need like those pro headphones that need amplifiers and whatnot.
So the question is, what are the best headphones for casual listening, not requiring amplifiers or w/e. Something that my ipod can power and it will sound amazing.
Right now I'm using BOSE, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Bose® - On-Ear Headphones - Silver/Black/7997368.p?id=1155071451080&skuId=7997368
They are pretty good, I like them, but I feel like there is something better out there. I also want the studio headphones that engulf my whole ear.
Where are the audiophiles at!
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You should probably go to some "audiophile" website like head-fi.org ... but beware of the BOSE bashing that goes on there
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Definitely go Sennheiser , but yea, read up on head-fi.org. What's your price range?
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My range is really anything man, I just want to make sure I get the best sound from an Ipod, and my computer. I know those really high-end sennheisers require an amplifier to get their beastly sound.
Then again I'm not that knowledgable on how that stuff works. I've just been reading reviews from all sorts of websites. If someone could clue me in a little bit, thatd be awesome.
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Search for old threads...there have been about a million...I'm sick of telling people the same thing.
If you want explanations of why then find one of the older threads.
Buy Sony MDR-V6's.
(This is from a serious music enthusiast and producer)
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Hey really appreciate it, been hitting up that website for old posts on ipods. You guys have been a lot of help. Ill check out them sonys too.
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What sound card or integrated motherboard sound chip do you have? Do you care about open (non-sound-isolating) vs. closed (sound isolating)?
You definitely want to stay away from high-impedance, low-sensitivity headphones if you're using it out of an ipod, as you might not get enough volume on music that is soft or has large dynamic range. Harder-to-drive headphones also would drain battery life slightly more. Most of the popular choices in the few hundred dollar range would therefore not be appropriate for you. This includes the Sennheiser HD 600, HD 650, etc.
A good open headphone for a little over $220 would be the Ultrasone PROLine 2500. Closed would be maybe the Denon D2000 for a little more--it's also supposed to be very comfortable.
edit: whoops, didn't see that you wanted huge circumaural. Check the size of the above. The Audio Technica a900 (or any axxxx) for closed, any high-end Audio Technica ad900 (or higher number), maybe. The AKG 601 is a good open headphone that I have, but it's borderline for driving it out of an ipod. It's the same size as the headphone picture shown earlier in the thread (that one is a AKG 701, which is a little better but is more unpleasant and bright with bad sources). Sony MDR-SA5000 is also a good open headphone, for more like $300. The Beyerdynamic DT880 (32 ohms version) would be great for open too.
After a certain point, better headphones are going to be really limited by the relatively low-fi sources you're using, so there's not much point to going higher.
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Well, what will sound 'amazing' to your ears will sound mediocre or bad to someone else's and vice versa.
For example, personally, I steer clear of Bose as a brand because they tend to over-hype the sound quite a bit, making people say wow at the listening post, but not really giving an accurate representation of the original sound. I put much more value on accuracy and a flat frequency response, but maybe that's because I'm an audio producer and that's what I look out for as a hallmark of good quality audio gear.
What I mean is, you should just try out a bunch of different models and not worry too much about the reviews.
However, for us to recommend some models to you, it's sorta essential that we know your budget, otherwise I might suggest a pair like these as high-end headphones, when really you mean at the high-end of your budget, whatever that may be.
It's also worth noting that expensive (>£200 generally) headphones often require a headphone amp to sound their best and to power them efficiently, but they don't all need them, and will still sound much better than cheaper/worse models even without a headphone amp.
On top of that, there's little point in spending all your money (not suggesting that you are, but just making a point) on a pair of top-notch headphones if all you ever do is listen to 128kbps MP3s. If you really want to have good quality music, you'll need to make sure every link in the chain is good quality.
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On September 07 2010 05:00 Myrmidon wrote: What sound card or integrated motherboard sound chip do you have? Do you care about open (non-sound-isolating) vs. closed (sound isolating)?
You definitely want to stay away from high-impedance, low-sensitivity headphones if you're using it out of an ipod, as you might not get enough volume on music that is soft or has large dynamic range. Harder-to-drive headphones also would drain battery life slightly more. Most of the popular choices in the few hundred dollar range would therefore not be appropriate for you. This includes the Sennheiser HD 600, HD 650, etc.
A good open headphone for a little over $220 would be the Ultrasone PROLine 2500. Closed would be maybe the Denon D2000 for a little more--it's also supposed to be very comfortable.
edit: whoops, didn't see that you wanted huge circumaural. Check the size of the above. The Audio Technica a900 (or any axxxx) for closed, any high-end Audio Technica ad900 (or higher number), maybe. The AKG 601 is a good open headphone that I have, but it's borderline for driving it out of an ipod. It's the same size as the headphone picture shown earlier in the thread (that one is a AKG 701, which is a little better but is more unpleasant and bright with bad sources). Sony MDR-SA5000 is also a good open headphone, for more like $300. The Beyerdynamic DT880 (32 ohms version) would be great for open too.
After a certain point, better headphones are going to be really limited by the relatively low-fi sources you're using, so there's not much point to going higher.
Ok cool, so basically for your standard power sources like a computer or ipod, these are the best possible? Any higher requires some sort of amplifier or studio equipment correct? Sorry I'm new.
I have a Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio card
700 Watt Power supply SLI ready(whatever that means)
ASUS P6T Intel X58 Chipset Crossfire and SLI supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple channel DDR3, Gb Lan, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, 3 Way SLI SLI PCI-E MB
Also price is not an issue.
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On September 07 2010 05:02 jtype wrote:Well, what will sound 'amazing' to your ears will sound mediocre or bad to someone else's and vice versa. For example, personally, I steer clear of Bose as a brand because they tend to over-hype the sound quite a bit, making people say wow at the listening post, but not really giving an accurate representation of the original sound. I put much more value on accuracy and a flat frequency response, but maybe that's because I'm an audio producer and that's what I look out for as a hallmark of good quality audio gear. What I mean is, you should just try out a bunch of different models and not worry too much about the reviews. However, for us to recommend some models to you, it's sorta essential that we know your budget, otherwise I might suggest a pair like these as high-end headphones, when really you mean at the high-end of your budget, whatever that may be. It's also worth noting that expensive (>£200 generally) headphones often require a headphone amp to sound their best and to power them efficiently, but they don't all need them, and will still sound much better than cheaper/worse models even without a headphone amp. On top of that, there's little point in spending all your money (not suggesting that you are, but just making a point) on a pair of top-notch headphones if all you ever do is listen to 128kbps MP3s. If you really want to have good quality music, you'll need to make sure every link in the chain is good quality.
I'm also wondering how do amplifiers work with headphones? Can i somehow use an amplifier with my computer or ipod? Sorry if this is dumbest question of the day I have no clue.
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I recommend the Audio Technica a700 cans. They have converted me from playing with speakers to headphones. They have an open version which apparently sound slightly clearer, but with less bass.
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On September 07 2010 05:15 Zeller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 05:02 jtype wrote:Well, what will sound 'amazing' to your ears will sound mediocre or bad to someone else's and vice versa. For example, personally, I steer clear of Bose as a brand because they tend to over-hype the sound quite a bit, making people say wow at the listening post, but not really giving an accurate representation of the original sound. I put much more value on accuracy and a flat frequency response, but maybe that's because I'm an audio producer and that's what I look out for as a hallmark of good quality audio gear. What I mean is, you should just try out a bunch of different models and not worry too much about the reviews. However, for us to recommend some models to you, it's sorta essential that we know your budget, otherwise I might suggest a pair like these as high-end headphones, when really you mean at the high-end of your budget, whatever that may be. It's also worth noting that expensive (>£200 generally) headphones often require a headphone amp to sound their best and to power them efficiently, but they don't all need them, and will still sound much better than cheaper/worse models even without a headphone amp. On top of that, there's little point in spending all your money (not suggesting that you are, but just making a point) on a pair of top-notch headphones if all you ever do is listen to 128kbps MP3s. If you really want to have good quality music, you'll need to make sure every link in the chain is good quality. I'm also wondering how do amplifiers work with headphones? Can i somehow use an amplifier with my computer or ipod? Sorry if this is dumbest question of the day I have no clue.
You plug the amp into the jack and the headphone into the amp...drains more power but it does sound better.
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On September 07 2010 05:19 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 05:15 Zeller wrote:On September 07 2010 05:02 jtype wrote:Well, what will sound 'amazing' to your ears will sound mediocre or bad to someone else's and vice versa. For example, personally, I steer clear of Bose as a brand because they tend to over-hype the sound quite a bit, making people say wow at the listening post, but not really giving an accurate representation of the original sound. I put much more value on accuracy and a flat frequency response, but maybe that's because I'm an audio producer and that's what I look out for as a hallmark of good quality audio gear. What I mean is, you should just try out a bunch of different models and not worry too much about the reviews. However, for us to recommend some models to you, it's sorta essential that we know your budget, otherwise I might suggest a pair like these as high-end headphones, when really you mean at the high-end of your budget, whatever that may be. It's also worth noting that expensive (>£200 generally) headphones often require a headphone amp to sound their best and to power them efficiently, but they don't all need them, and will still sound much better than cheaper/worse models even without a headphone amp. On top of that, there's little point in spending all your money (not suggesting that you are, but just making a point) on a pair of top-notch headphones if all you ever do is listen to 128kbps MP3s. If you really want to have good quality music, you'll need to make sure every link in the chain is good quality. I'm also wondering how do amplifiers work with headphones? Can i somehow use an amplifier with my computer or ipod? Sorry if this is dumbest question of the day I have no clue. You plug the amp into the jack and the headphone into the amp...drains more power but it does sound better.
So I'm guessing there is probably a whole world of kickass amps I would have to research if I went that route?
For example I own these speakers for my PC. http://www.amazon.com/Bose-Companion-multimedia-speaker-Graphite/dp/B000HZBR64/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1283804606&sr=1-2
Could I plug an amp into that?
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On September 07 2010 05:14 Zeller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 05:00 Myrmidon wrote: What sound card or integrated motherboard sound chip do you have? Do you care about open (non-sound-isolating) vs. closed (sound isolating)?
You definitely want to stay away from high-impedance, low-sensitivity headphones if you're using it out of an ipod, as you might not get enough volume on music that is soft or has large dynamic range. Harder-to-drive headphones also would drain battery life slightly more. Most of the popular choices in the few hundred dollar range would therefore not be appropriate for you. This includes the Sennheiser HD 600, HD 650, etc.
A good open headphone for a little over $220 would be the Ultrasone PROLine 2500. Closed would be maybe the Denon D2000 for a little more--it's also supposed to be very comfortable.
edit: whoops, didn't see that you wanted huge circumaural. Check the size of the above. The Audio Technica a900 (or any axxxx) for closed, any high-end Audio Technica ad900 (or higher number), maybe. The AKG 601 is a good open headphone that I have, but it's borderline for driving it out of an ipod. It's the same size as the headphone picture shown earlier in the thread (that one is a AKG 701, which is a little better but is more unpleasant and bright with bad sources). Sony MDR-SA5000 is also a good open headphone, for more like $300. The Beyerdynamic DT880 (32 ohms version) would be great for open too.
After a certain point, better headphones are going to be really limited by the relatively low-fi sources you're using, so there's not much point to going higher. Ok cool, so basically for your standard power sources like a computer or ipod, these are the best possible? Any higher requires some sort of amplifier or studio equipment correct? Sorry I'm new. Also price is not an issue.
"Requires" is kind of the wrong word, since any headphones will produce sounds out of any source.
Amplifiers in this context are used not really to provide more power (though they do provide more power than your standard sources, and this power is necessary for high-impedance, low-sensitivity headphones), but to improve the sound quality over the ipod or computer stock amplifier chip. Worse amplifiers produce more distortions and have problems that wouldn't be noticed with worse headphones. With better headphones, you can start to hear inaccuracies of any of the parts along the signal chain, notably the music file (if lower-rate mp3) and amplifier.
Just to clarify, that's around the quality level of headphones I'd recommend and that I've seen recommended before it's kind of a waste without a better source.
Jayme: well, if the amplifier has its own power source (battery, or own power from the wall), then using an amplifier will actually draw less power from the computer or the ipod. Also, you'd want to avoid taking the audio signal from a normal headphone jack to send it to the amplifier. It's better to use a line-out to avoid going through the stock amplifier headphone driver chip on the device.
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On September 07 2010 05:23 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 05:14 Zeller wrote:On September 07 2010 05:00 Myrmidon wrote: What sound card or integrated motherboard sound chip do you have? Do you care about open (non-sound-isolating) vs. closed (sound isolating)?
You definitely want to stay away from high-impedance, low-sensitivity headphones if you're using it out of an ipod, as you might not get enough volume on music that is soft or has large dynamic range. Harder-to-drive headphones also would drain battery life slightly more. Most of the popular choices in the few hundred dollar range would therefore not be appropriate for you. This includes the Sennheiser HD 600, HD 650, etc.
A good open headphone for a little over $220 would be the Ultrasone PROLine 2500. Closed would be maybe the Denon D2000 for a little more--it's also supposed to be very comfortable.
edit: whoops, didn't see that you wanted huge circumaural. Check the size of the above. The Audio Technica a900 (or any axxxx) for closed, any high-end Audio Technica ad900 (or higher number), maybe. The AKG 601 is a good open headphone that I have, but it's borderline for driving it out of an ipod. It's the same size as the headphone picture shown earlier in the thread (that one is a AKG 701, which is a little better but is more unpleasant and bright with bad sources). Sony MDR-SA5000 is also a good open headphone, for more like $300. The Beyerdynamic DT880 (32 ohms version) would be great for open too.
After a certain point, better headphones are going to be really limited by the relatively low-fi sources you're using, so there's not much point to going higher. Forget the audio websites. You guys are a hell of a lot more informative and helpful. I've been wanting to understand this kind of stuff for a while. Ok so another question, if I want some beasty Sennheiser type of headphones. Would there be any way to get the most sound out of them from my computer? If so , what would I need? Ok cool, so basically for your standard power sources like a computer or ipod, these are the best possible? Any higher requires some sort of amplifier or studio equipment correct? Sorry I'm new. Also price is not an issue. "Requires" is kind of the wrong word, since any headphones will produce sounds out of any source. Amplifiers in this context are used not really to provide more power (though they do provide more power than your standard sources, and this power is necessary for high-impedance, low-sensitivity headphones), but to improve the sound quality over the ipod or computer stock amplifier chip. Worse amplifiers produce more distortions and have problems that wouldn't be noticed with worse headphones. With better headphones, you can start to hear inaccuracies of any of the parts along the signal chain, notably the music file (if lower-rate mp3) and amplifier. Just to clarify, that's around the quality level of headphones I'd recommend and that I've seen recommended before it's kind of a waste without a better source. Jayme: well, if the amplifier has its own power source (battery, or own power from the wall), then using an amplifier will actually draw less power from the computer or the ipod. Also, you'd want to avoid taking the audio signal from a normal headphone jack to send it to the amplifier. It's better to use a line-out to avoid going through the stock amplifier headphone driver chip on the device.
Ok so another question, if I want some beasty Sennheiser type of headphones. Would there be any way to get the most sound out of them from my computer? If so , what would I need?
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On September 07 2010 05:20 Zeller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 05:19 Jayme wrote:On September 07 2010 05:15 Zeller wrote:On September 07 2010 05:02 jtype wrote:Well, what will sound 'amazing' to your ears will sound mediocre or bad to someone else's and vice versa. For example, personally, I steer clear of Bose as a brand because they tend to over-hype the sound quite a bit, making people say wow at the listening post, but not really giving an accurate representation of the original sound. I put much more value on accuracy and a flat frequency response, but maybe that's because I'm an audio producer and that's what I look out for as a hallmark of good quality audio gear. What I mean is, you should just try out a bunch of different models and not worry too much about the reviews. However, for us to recommend some models to you, it's sorta essential that we know your budget, otherwise I might suggest a pair like these as high-end headphones, when really you mean at the high-end of your budget, whatever that may be. It's also worth noting that expensive (>£200 generally) headphones often require a headphone amp to sound their best and to power them efficiently, but they don't all need them, and will still sound much better than cheaper/worse models even without a headphone amp. On top of that, there's little point in spending all your money (not suggesting that you are, but just making a point) on a pair of top-notch headphones if all you ever do is listen to 128kbps MP3s. If you really want to have good quality music, you'll need to make sure every link in the chain is good quality. I'm also wondering how do amplifiers work with headphones? Can i somehow use an amplifier with my computer or ipod? Sorry if this is dumbest question of the day I have no clue. You plug the amp into the jack and the headphone into the amp...drains more power but it does sound better. So I'm guessing there is probably a whole world of kickass amps I would have to research if I went that route?
Yes, and researching them is probably more difficult. The problem is that portable amps are kind of a hassle when using with your ipod, if mobility is a concern. Also, portable amps aren't as good price/performance as desktop amps.
Side note: differences between amps are overstated on audiophile forums generally. Differences between DACs (digital-to-audio converters, which take the digital music source and pass to amps) are even more overstated. Finally, differences between interconnect cables...I'm not going to go there.
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On September 07 2010 05:15 Zeller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 05:02 jtype wrote:Well, what will sound 'amazing' to your ears will sound mediocre or bad to someone else's and vice versa. For example, personally, I steer clear of Bose as a brand because they tend to over-hype the sound quite a bit, making people say wow at the listening post, but not really giving an accurate representation of the original sound. I put much more value on accuracy and a flat frequency response, but maybe that's because I'm an audio producer and that's what I look out for as a hallmark of good quality audio gear. What I mean is, you should just try out a bunch of different models and not worry too much about the reviews. However, for us to recommend some models to you, it's sorta essential that we know your budget, otherwise I might suggest a pair like these as high-end headphones, when really you mean at the high-end of your budget, whatever that may be. It's also worth noting that expensive (>£200 generally) headphones often require a headphone amp to sound their best and to power them efficiently, but they don't all need them, and will still sound much better than cheaper/worse models even without a headphone amp. On top of that, there's little point in spending all your money (not suggesting that you are, but just making a point) on a pair of top-notch headphones if all you ever do is listen to 128kbps MP3s. If you really want to have good quality music, you'll need to make sure every link in the chain is good quality. I'm also wondering how do amplifiers work with headphones? Can i somehow use an amplifier with my computer or ipod? Sorry if this is dumbest question of the day I have no clue.
Nah it's not a dumb question at all. If you don't know, then you don't know. I don't really know all that much about the electronic side of things, but I know some general things.
Basically, your ipod or computer headphone output will only have a certain amount of power dedicated to it. This may be slightly more or less than a pair of headphones needs to function at maximum efficiency, so you'll want to make sure that you're not under-powering your headphones, otherwise they may sound too quiet, or you may not quite get the best performance out of them.
Also, as with most hifi amps/gear, headphone amps can impart a bit of 'colour' or 'personality' to the audio signal. Good quality or well-built amps may introduce more subtle and nicer characteristics to the sound. As an example, quite a few people favour Valve amps, because of the warm sound they produce, due to the soft harmonic distortions the valve components produce when sound is driven through them.
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http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/image-s4-overview/ These are the best in-ear headphones around. They are $80 with a $300 sound quality. I HIGHLY recommend them. Seriously, if you are getting in-ear headphones, get these. If you don't care about the kind of headphones, get these.
For over-the-head headphones, go with Sennheisers. They are all high quality.
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