EPTI'd like to see more talented players post instead of seeing a 1:1 ratio of good threads to "Terran unit X is imbalanced in TvX".
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BoX
United States214 Posts
I'd like to see more talented players post instead of seeing a 1:1 ratio of good threads to "Terran unit X is imbalanced in TvX". | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
It'd be like one of TL's strategy talk sessions except in forum form with the invitations of guests in the form of nominated and approved contributors. | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
I also try to play macro games to increase my skill in the long run, because I am an 800 diamond player atm and I feel like my gameplay is full of mistakes and small things that I just do wrong or badly. But, I am happy to learn, because in the end, what does your rank do for you if you are a bad player. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
Platinum (not stuck-in-platinum-because-stupid-system-won't-promote-me but actual platinum): I have played through my build order more than twenty times. And what's your source? | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10299 Posts
On August 26 2010 05:42 Wolf wrote: Thanks for this post. I think a lot of newer players think they are better than they really are, but as time goes on, people will realise where they 'belong'. I'm not sure if I'm for or against a Pro League, but if there is one, it really needs to be done correctly. Diamond League could be the same way, but Blizzard made it too easy. If they introduce a Pro League, I really want the requirements to be high. so far the plans for Proleague(IF it comes) is that it will be invite only, and i think(and hope) that you need to do alot more than just be high in ladder to be invited, IE; doing good at tournaments and so on | ||
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warshop
Canada490 Posts
I can beat them (and in my opinion, that's absurd). I guess the only difference is that I actually review what I have done good and what I haven't done good and try to optimize my builds throughout my games. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On August 26 2010 05:45 SmoKim wrote: so far the plans for Proleague(IF it comes) is that it will be invite only, and i think(and hope) that you need to do alot more than just be high in ladder to be invited, IE; doing good at tournaments and so on i hope not. That sorta defies the whole idea of proleague as envisioned. Doing good in tournaments is good for doing good in tournaments, getting invited to invite only ones and winning cash, while proleague adresses the people who succeed in ladder. | ||
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Skeyser
Canada219 Posts
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
Having in invite/nomiation sessions of progamers would be fine by me you would get a much more intellectual discussions with a lot less trolls. | ||
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Kinmaul
United States104 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145740 Fist made a great post, listed the pro's and con's of his build, gave some solid advice about transitions into mid-game, AND posted multiple replays. He did everything his was supposed to do. The initial community response: shit all over his post. "I didn't watch the replays but your build will die to 2 gate" "Well based on the replays all your opponents sucked, I could counter that easy" "Rofl how could those be diamond opponents, get better reps" "This build won't work vs xyz strat" Armchair theorycrafters at their finest. Evidently the only way to discuss a build is to play vs people that don't make mistakes. Newsflash: EVERYONE makes mistakes. Hindsight is 20/20 and when you are watching a replay you know what your opponent is doing at any given second. You could take a replay of anyone and figure out a way to counter what they did in that given instance. Do you normally go into games and tell someone, "oh hey btw I'm banshee rushing this game, good luck!" or "probably going 2 gate into robo and getting immortals"? I'm guessing the answer is no. The whole point of having an arsenal of builds to choose from is so that your opponent doesn't know exactly what you are doing. Fist didn't claim to invent the strat, or be the only one using it. He never claimed it would work in every scenario, or that it was a super build that assured you a win. He simply had a build that he had been using with great succes and took some time out of his day to post it here. Thankfully the trolls finally let off and real discussion began. Many people were grateful for his contribution to the community, but if that's what people have to go through everytime they put up a post don't expect them to keep posting. Why is the inital reaction of the community so negative? It's like people need to prove they are superior instead of having a discussion as equals. Now if Fist had posted, "Hey guyz I made this super build dat got me diamond lol, I dun have any replays but here's the BO. Btw when you use plz tell people you are "Fist'ing" them cuz dat would be coo! lololol" Then please by all means rip him apart. Note I'm not against low skilled players asking for help and making posts. There's nothing wrong with that as long as they follow the same format of providing replays and posting constructively. What I'm against is the opinionated garbage that spewed forth by people that would rather try to "one up" someone on the internet instead of taking the time to watch the replays and give meaningful feedback. I also think it is in the best interest of the thread that when someone is warned/banned for their post that it gets pruned out of the thread and placed in another thread, call it the "Trash Thread" or something. That keeps the garbage out and the discussion focused on the meaningful replies. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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sparknineone
United States52 Posts
Maybe I'm wrong -_- | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Well on pokernet.dk a danish pokersite. They have a section where only invited pro players can talk. Arenajunkies for WoW arena also requires 2400+ rating. This makes for much better forums. Coming from a former r1 glad s5-s6 lock glad, no, Arenajunkies is awful. Like, really fucking aweful. Though I guess it was awesome relative to the quality of the WoW boards, or blizzboards in general. The quality of a site has very little to do with the quality of the players using it, its an correlation, not a causation. Instead, the quality of any forum is basically a sole result of the posting attitude of the users. Forums are good when posters post to contribute to the community and talk with people who share their interests in what they're doing. They're bad once forumers post for "erep" or "epeen" or to virtually "win" (lol) an argument. And thats accomplished mainly by good moderators. A poor player posting constructively literally CANNOT act in a ignorant or obnoxious way. Because if hes posting constructively, hes talking from his own base of experiences, and realizing much of that is anecdotal. Literally anyone thinking rationally would realize that, its only lost when said poor player attempts to make an "epeen" for himself and starts taking himself and his ego too seriously, and thinking his anecedotal experiences are the only thing that matters. The best WoW board is probably elitistjerks, (it is pve tho) and it doesn't have a rank requirement, just iron fisted moderation. So gogo tl staff :p. | ||
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desolate
United States1 Post
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dotFX
United States131 Posts
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EppE
United States221 Posts
On August 26 2010 08:30 Half wrote: Coming from a former r1 glad s5-s6 lock glad, no, Arenajunkies is awful. Like, really fucking aweful. Though I guess it was awesome relative to the quality of the WoW boards, or blizzboards in general. The quality of a site has very little to do with the quality of the players using it, its an correlation, not a causation. Instead, the quality of any forum is basically a sole result of the posting attitude of the users. Forums are good when posters post to contribute to the community and talk with people who share their interests in what they're doing. They're bad once forumers post for "erep" or "epeen" or to virtually "win" (lol) an argument. And thats accomplished mainly by good moderators. A poor player posting constructively literally CANNOT act in a ignorant or obnoxious way. Because if hes posting constructively, hes talking from his own base of experiences, and realizing much of that is anecdotal. Literally anyone thinking rationally would realize that, its only lost when said poor player attempts to make an "epeen" for himself and starts taking himself and his ego too seriously, and thinking his anecedotal experiences are the only thing that matters. The best WoW board is probably elitistjerks, (it is pve tho) and it doesn't have a rank requirement, just iron fisted moderation. So gogo tl staff :p. BG9 or GTFO  Kidding aside I really agree with everything you said. I would love to see the ban hammer come down hard on the strat forums. Don't follow the rules, BAN! | ||
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DiamondTear
Finland165 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On August 26 2010 09:34 DiamondTear wrote: I appreciate people announcing their rating when they post. As a 600+ diamond player I know that it doesn't mean anything because I'm there and I don't have even one solid build order, just good micro and macro. Rating is valuable information because it tells me that their strategy is working against player with decent mechanics. You're actually approaching it the right way. Up to a certain skill level, the proper development doesn't require any memorization of build orders at. Your focus should be working on your tactical tactical ability (micro and macro). In fact working on build orders might hinder the development of the basics (mechanics, control, reaction, and decision-making.) If you focus on build orders too early, it may hinder your development of reaction and decision-making. You no longer learned all reasoning behind build orders before learning to execute them. That means you might find yourself in unfamiliar territory and freeze up when the opponent takes you out of the book by trying some cheese or funky build. | ||
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dusters
United States57 Posts
I think it is pretty naive to say that diamond level players know nothing about the game. Almost all diamond players are going to have a pretty solid understanding of the game. What separates the midlevel diamond players from the pros is the ability to adapt to the game and skill. Sure, you can practice over and over, but some people are just gifted at playing video games, just like athletes are naturally gifted. I'm not really sure about the actual statistics, so please correct me if I am wrong, but I would guess diamond players are in the top 10% of the players in starcraft, which means they are pretty good. And while one subforum might be a good spot to restrict posting, it also has it's consequences. Arenajunkies has some good info but such stupid bickering and bashing it can make you sick at times. Elitistjerks is much better IMO and they let everyone post but keep very strict mods. | ||
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