+ Show Spoiler +On August 12 2010 18:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 11:24 Foolishness wrote:On August 12 2010 11:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm not going to quote all tree.hugger's posts, but he seemed to be heavily pushing the youngminii wagon and pushing against the BM wagon. This leads me to believe youngminii is most likely innocent since there was a very big chance of said person getting lynched. Also, this puts BM in a bad spotlight. You got it backwards, he wasn't pushing the youngminii lynch very hard, he was just going along with it. There's a big difference. Foolishness: Accurate here or way way suspiciously inaccurate? You decide. Tree.Hugger's posts about Bill Murray / Foolishness on Day 1: + Show Spoiler +First one: "Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly." I remember at the time thinking WTF does he mean? I still don't know what the fuck this means. I guess he was trying to link the two of us? I don't know. The rest of the post doesn't mention BM. On August 07 2010 09:45 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on).
And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this.
I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't).
If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are. Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. I'm stupid for suggesting mafia Day 1... maybe. Or is town stupid for agreeing that we always lynch an innocent inactive day 1 and then doing that anyway? On August 07 2010 09:50 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 09:40 Foolishness wrote:On August 07 2010 09:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 09:22 Foolishness wrote:On August 07 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on).
And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this.
I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't).
If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are. I'll post when BM flips. What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? Well you will probably kill me tonight, so I will post all my info anyway, mafia number 2. You are my favorite player in all of TL Mafia, at least when you are town-aligned, so I am disappointed to see your red play be so obvious. You've now chainsaw defended Bill Murray against both Divinek and myself. Now, if Bill Murray flips blue, I will certainly not run roughshod after you and the rest of his sketchy defenders and defendees. But if he flips red, which seems EXTREMELY likely to me at this point, your ass is grass and killing me won't save you. Awww I'm touched <3 I would think it's obvious to any town player that lynching a player who's actively participating and defending against arguments is foolish. How many times have you seen a mafia player that isn't Ace/L actively tell people they are wrong/stupid and defend their beliefs to the last moment they die? Hardly ever. Imma wait at least another 2 days before ever considering voting for any of you. Truth is, I barely give a care as to whether BM or you or DTA or divinek is mafia. Cause all you active people do is blame each other and find reasons why the other is mafia. If one of you is actually mafia, I'm sure one of the others will figure it out sooner or later. I got bigger fish to fry in figuring out who's mafia among the other 50% of the players who half lurk. Now wait a minute...you're supposedly a ninja and getting killed by other ninja's tonight. If I was mafia why would I bother hitting you? Haha, I actually kinda lol'd when I read your post, because it's insanely obvious you improvised the entire thing. I've seen better reasoning for suspicions out of totally new players. Have you even read my posts to consider if I'm actually mafia? I'm pretty sure you're too concerned with BM right now to even care who else is mafia. Which is fine by me, you do what you got to do and I'll do what I got to do. One person is not a list. You got any others you want to throw out there? Woah woah woah, Pyrr, I know you were screwing people over last game because you were mafia, but if you start doing this again, you'll end up on the suspect list again. You've seriously figured out two mafia based on a handful of posts on Day 1? Bogus. We have no call for lynching BM with little more than your word today, even as bad as he might play. We have nothing on him. And now you're going after Foolishness because he called you out on your list? Not everyone who criticizes you is automatically mafia. Tree.Hugger has now made 5 posts in the thread. Three of these five speak out against lynching BM. They are increasingly more direct and desperate and Bill Murray's lynch continues to lead. I'm curious if any of you innocent players reading this were persuaded against me by some of these posts. On August 07 2010 09:45 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on).
And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this.
I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't).
If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are. Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good. Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match. That's right - don't go after BM. We have a much better chance at red by lynching love1another. Let's not use this thinking anymore. Reds have 5 teammates who will be able pm players and remind them to post. They are much less likely to be super inactive. On August 07 2010 10:22 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 10:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Bill Murray wrote:
in all likelihood the scummy players haven't posted yet unless it's someone like brownbear who knows it's ok to. noob scum will be like "what should i say?" as opposed to just playing. This is a very weird first post. His first post is used to defend everyone that has previously posted. As someone who is experienced, I'd think he knows that determining mafia by post time really isn't helpful. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early, because mafia have the best reasons to do so. I don't really think so, unless a mafia is really under threat, and the mafia thinks it can save that person without exposing themselves, (or if the person is one of the special roles, I guess) then they're likely to stay quiet and see if other people defend them first. I do see his post as poor reasoning, but not a scumtell by any stretch. Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:03 Bill Murray wrote:
I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead.
I am voting not for randomness, but because I actually believe Divinek is Mafia. He's already claimed this to be a lie, because he went on to say that Divinek was part of the RVS. He started a bandwagon on Divinek to save himself (BM is at 3 (i think) votes at the start of this and Divinek ends up temporarily at 3 due to rastaban). In previous games, even as green, he has done similar random vote plans but he was up front about it being RVS before. He didn't claim RVS time was OVER and then vote for someone for really being red and then turn around and say ~"oh I was lying, actually I was fucking around like usual”. This random vote thing is stupid at best, since he telegraphed his reasoning, but it is scummy at most likely. I know Mr. Baby Hands did similar things but he didn't do it this clumsily. My response to BM's soft blue claim: If red, he would be desperate at that point and so it's sort of a no brainer to claim blue and plant doubt. He has gone on the record asking for blues to claim to him even though he is not at all confirmed. He has also suggested that blues claim in the thread as their specific roles. He said veterans could lie and say they are more hit-juicy roles. Yet he himself only soft-claims? I find this to disprove his stated motives. If he believed in his plan he could get the ball rolling by following it. Bill Murray starts his voting with “now the game gets serious” and now tries to play it off as shits and giggles. He's clearly trying to create chaos to save himself – the question is whether he is worth saving. Seems to me there are more pro-town ways to defend one's self than to do random attacks to find one that sticks. If he was blue, he could be more low profile although low profile is not really his style. As blue, he could still try pointing out why suspicions about him are not founded, rather than creating more and more suspicions. See you keep thinking that BM was under serious pressure at that point, but the game had barely started. I could imagine someone pulling that when they're under the gun, but BM had three votes, a day ago, and the day hasn't even finished. I don't think we're nearly enough into the game to be saying things like that. The person who has the most votes after a few hours never gets lynched. I think BM is defending himself, but not to the point of desperation that you suggest. I just don't see the scumtells that you see. Tree.hugger has now used FOUR OF HIS SIX POSTS (including a double post) to DEFEND BILL MURRAY. All you fuckers have been putting me down for tunneling on Bill Murray. I'm not sure MY ratio of BM to non-BM posts was this high at this point in the game! You'll notice, by the way, that this is the chainsaw defense I accused Foolishness of - Tree.Hugger is somehow, this early on day 1, willing to insult the fuck out of me for trying to catch a red. Youngminii has yet to be mentioned. Foolishness saw no defense of Bill Murray in Tree.Hugger's posting, even though Tree.Hugger consistently defended BM on Days 1 and 2. No, it is much more likely to Foolishness that Tree.Hugger would try to save Bill Murray by helping boost a bandwagon on his own teammate, Youngminii, on day 2. (A bandwagon I think Foolishness started?) Also, Misder and Tree.Hugger put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 2. Misder and Foolishness put their votes onto Youngminii at the same time Day 3. Hmm. Coincidence? Ya, maybe. Coincidence that Foolishness read all of Tree.Hugger's posts and didn't see that he was defending Bill Murray and pushing very hard for Youngminii's death? No way in hell. I love how Tree.Hugger goes out on a limb to suggest that the mafia aren't panicked. Why the hell would a mafia go out on a limb to help town out on something like this rather than hanging back a bit and letting town mistakenly take down a supposedly good player [this said, I think it would be a good strategy as mafia to keep an innocent BM alive as long as possible just because he constantly fucks the town up --- that said, he's kinda been scarce lately. Supposedly he's doing stuff behind the scenes. I know he's still scouting for blue info in PMs because he tried to get some from me.]. On August 08 2010 02:09 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 20:39 youngminii wrote:
^ Nobody gives a fuck whether or not you came up with the plan originally. Stop spamming this god damn thread, are you doing this on purpose as scum or what? What a wonderfully ironic comment... But you're somewhat right, at least. Pyrr and BM are in full red scare mode, accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being mafia. That's not the way to play the game. Honestly, I don't see what either of you see in each other, you look like the usual cast of angry green players. The last couple pages are basically unreadable because of you two. Calm down and post constructively. The most pressing matter at the moment, isn't these plans, which we still have time to hash out at night, but it's our lynch today. I think love1another has 7 votes, to BM's 5, which is good, but I think there are still people left to vote, so it could swing. I don't think it should, because I think BM really doesn't have anything to recommend him as mafia here, and neither does love1another, really, but at least BM's been posting. However you view that posting, discussion is better than no discussion. I actually avoided this thread this morning, because I thought there might be SPL spoilers because of the neutral way were deciding the lynch. But apparently we're not doing that. Anyway my vote is still on Artanis[xp] who, I might add, has also been spectacularly unhelpful! Tree.Hugger notes that the vote between love1another and BM is too close for comfort, ends up changing his vote onto love1another to rectify this situation. On August 08 2010 12:39 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 12:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 08 2010 11:51 Bill Murray wrote:
i told you all we should have lynched foolishness or someone who is actually red shall we lynch foolishness together tomorrow? You two are suddenly working together? Wait, what? And I've never been in a game where we got red with the first kill. There's a ton of factors that make it really difficult to pull off, but mainly it's just that we don't have good evidence on anyone. And that's no matter what you know, or (more likely) think you know about Foolishness or anyone else. We'll have more evidence after tonight, I guess. I don't think Foolishness is mafia, and I don't think you've proved it in any way. Tree.Hugger's posts on Bill Murray / Youngminii Day 2 + Show Spoiler +On August 09 2010 11:23 tree.hugger wrote:
About the day post: This is positive. There's a missing kill there (Foolishness(?)), and a wandering townie died, which is actually somewhat fortunate. All blue roles intact, and the plan intact too. Mafia probably killed LSB because he was being really effective. Problem is, mafia suck at killing blues. If nobody screws up in pm land, (hello last game) we're set.
But about this hit, I'm positive Foolishness is telling the truth. He always gets hit night one, but flamewheel probably took pity or something, and made him a vet. Or a medic saved him, but that means our plan is screwed, and we wasted a day on this.
tree.hugger is the first poster to believe Foolishness's veteran claim. He says either he is vet or medic saved him (which couldn't be true since that was against the plan). NO MENTION OF THE FUCKING ULTRALISK IN THE ROOM: HE COULD BE GODFATHER. Or that mafia could stack kills. If Foolishness is innocent, and tree.hugger knows this, you'd think the mafia would want to cast some doubt, or at least not be first on the scene to try to get people to believe he's confirmed innocent. So what happens next? Nobody challenges tree.hugger on this. Not even me, though I had one post earlier mentioned the GF possibility. On August 09 2010 11:49 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 11:39 BrownBear wrote:
Ok, so in addition to all of the crap currently going on, I was roleblocked last night. Wait. Are you an idiot? You just claimed a blue role like that? Tree.Hugger immediately jumps to the blue conclusion. A few posts later I mention that greens and ninjas can be waxed. Tree.Hugger responds to mention he didn't realize this (The framer doesn't know what the roleblocker can do? Lol. But given Pandain's fuck up, totally possible. On August 09 2010 12:28 tree.hugger wrote:^ Accidental double quote/post. Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Ah well, unless some order gets introduced I see the plan failing more and more. To my knowledge this is all the events that transpired:
* Foolishness was hit.
* BrownBear was role blocked.
I am not sure I can make statements about other's post since they are kind of ambiguous for moment. Hopefully you guys can start a PM circle going, but otherwise unless new events occur it seems like we would default to BM lynch for today (This IS consistent to my position if you cared to read my explanation btw, Chez). If neither of these are counter-claimed, it seems like we've got two pretty-confirmed townies? I mean, it makes no sense for the mafia to stack on either chaoser or LSB, let alone in the first night. And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress? But, as always, there'll be a counter-claim. Tree.Hugger realizes that the town is missing an important opportunity. See, the thread is clogged with people worried about how the LSB plan went last night and no one is noticing the huge opportunity town has to confirm two townies! The only thing that could possibly go wrong is that the mafia could counter claim. Which, of course, never happened. Which, of course, tree.hugger would have known would never come. [Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong on this, circle peeps.] Why the fuck would a mafia (one of the few unsuspected ones if I am at all correct) push a plan that the town is ignoring to confirm two people that the mafia knows are innocent?This is the same tree.hugger that started out being all negative on the pandain plan and was extremely leery of the LSB plan. But Foolishness and BrownBear are confirmed townies if no one counter-claims. " And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress?" Tree.Hugger would know that roleblocker can refrain from sending a roleblock. If Tree.Hugger's reason for this post was to just look more pro-town... why wouldn't he just cautiously follow Xelin? Why would he try to be the catalyst for a wholly new plan centered around confirming Foolishness and BrownBear? Why wouldn't he be helpful by pointing out the roleblocker could refrain from sending a roleblock, thereby casting a bit of doubt on town's planning?Hesmyrr did point some of these problems out at the time. Also, lol Misder: On August 09 2010 12:40 Misder wrote:
I think that Foolishness is innocent. We have been sending PMs to each other, and I have been trying to help him get information about some people, which I can't say who. If Foolishness was mafia, he would be helping to kill his own mafia members. I also want to make a public apology to Foolishness for not doing what he told me on time. I have been stuck in class the entire day, and cannot post or pm during that time. I'm actually sneaking out to right this. I really have to go.
Also, when I read that LSB is suspicious of me being mafia, I cannot click the link; it makes a 404 error. If anyone can point me to that post, I would be happy to answer why I posted the way I did. Gotta love newbies and their "they are innocent because they are PMing me thinking". Funny that Rastaban, who faked claimed Ninja, and lied to say that he checked Foolishness and got back veteran, and who also said he has been PMing with Foolishness, and who has voted with Foolishness each day to save Bill Murray, would immediately jump to supporting the plan of confirming Foolishness as veteran and using busses to protect him. On August 09 2010 12:57 rastaban wrote:
Well it looks like we lucked out to a degree on our night kills. Also we now look at having the vigilante claim so we can bus him. If we follow this plan then we can look at having a confirmed townie and possibly roleclaiming to him. And what do you know... Rastaban is today's claimer of the role blocking. Poor roleblocker may never get to block anyone  . On August 10 2010 01:20 tree.hugger wrote:Whew. That was a workout. People have a habit of reading a ton of pages and criticizing everyone below them for spam, but actually there's some interesting stuff. There's this YM, Foolishness debate going on, and meanwhile we have votes sitting on Bill Murray? A ton of people have listed Foolishness as one of their most suspicious players, so why not vote for him? That's strange. About YM. I'm convinced on Foolishness, and for the most part, I buy his argument on youngminii. He played the first day really oddly, and I can see IRL issues, but then the second day he's played it differently as well. I dunno, more angry. Remember what I told you last game? Cool your jets. Going to hold off on a vote for him at the moment, just on principle, really, but I think he's far and away our best candidate. Although we keep allowing Artanis[xp] to get away with posting nothing. Thankfully there's no suicide bomber this game, so it shouldn't hurt us too much to leave him alone... for the moment. Might be a ninja? So much for candidates at the moment. There was a thing I wanted to address... Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 16:20 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 09 2010 16:17 Divinek wrote:
the rb didnt rb xelin because he role blocked bb Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I was mostly trying to go through all of the possibilities that mattered. I think we're forgetting about this. Someone took a hit last night, AND someone was roleblocked. And we have no competing claims on either. Now, is it *possible* that the mafia would stack kills on chaoser or LSB to "confirm" Foolishness? I guess, but it's pretty silly, knowing that the medics were not supposed to protect any of them, and why would they protect either of those players anyway? But the mafia not roleblocking to confirm someone? The mafia not roleblocking on Day 1 with a devastating town plan in action? That seems really unlikely. I think we should try to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness tonight. If we can do that, then it doesn't matter how LSB's plan didn't work out, because we've got confirmed townies. We had this situation last game, and we didn't do anything with it. Let's not make this mistake again, yes? First post from Tree.Hugger weighing in on the lynch. Incredulous that people could possibly suspect the immaculate Bill Murray. Anything bad about him is branded as spam. Buys Foolishness line on YM and pushes to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness [I don't see how this can be done for Foolishness if GF. BrownBear has perhaps been confirmed, but I'm not in circle so whatever. Circle can correct me if anything is wrong and I'm not going to vote for someone the circle says is off limits until some good evidence comes that it's infiltrated because I'm getting increasingly more reasons to trust it.] On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything. The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is [not] mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. Yep, sure looks like youngminii must be mafia if tree.hugger is trying so hard to save him. On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles.
Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. AND THAT IS EXACTLY HOW MAFIA PLAN TO GET BACK IN THIS GAME. [also makes me less suspicious of bumatlarge. I hope someone in the circle sees this and it clicks with some info they have] On August 10 2010 03:36 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 03:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
honestly i kind of want to lynch BC for smurfing All the fun is gone because he blew it. But we have better targets to go after. Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 03:02 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 02:59 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 10 2010 02:18 Divinek wrote:On August 10 2010 00:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
Mafia IMHO at this point. Most of these aren't backed up entirely, just feelings I'm getting in order from most to least suspicious.
Foolishness
Bill Murray
DTA
Brownbear
Chezinu
Divinek
If you wonder why I would even consider that they have that many experienced players, then consider the fact the game itself has quite a few as well as the fact that the game seems to have gone seamlessly for mafia with the town taking no real action. I'd just like to put my list out there. seriously duuuuuude dont post feelings post reasons poking at shit like that makes you look really scum, because it looks like you're just trying to fan the flames onto other people. Not that i believe you're scum or anything this game, yet. It just doesnt help at all. Was just checking for reactions to see if there was anyone sheeping along haha. Oh and for the post on top of this page, I meant Youngminii. Why are there so many for youngminii? if you read the thread you shall see  Or you could just explain for him instead of being unhelpful and spamming? Basically Youngminii's posting has deviated drastically from the posting in his previous two games. He's resorted to chainsaw attacks against those who accuse him. Youngminii attacked people that attacked him. He wasn't defending anyone but himself. That's not a chainsaw defense. Tree.Hugger and Foolishness putting down players that suspect Bill Murray is a chainsaw defense. Notice they both consider me innocent because they know I am. I don't know how I have not died at night except to say that BM knows I am not in the circle and that is probably a more pressing concern. Not to mention no one believes me . But here is more eerie proof for town to ignore. It makes me feel better that one of my most hurtful critics flipped red and thought it was important to use many of his posts to try to marginalize me. How could Foolishness possibly think that someone who accuses youngminii of chainsaw defense is just passively following along to youngminii's lynch? On August 10 2010 12:58 tree.hugger wrote:
This thread is like that game "Red Light/Green Light". When I'm on and following it, nothing gets posted. When I leave, it explodes.
Here's the thing about youngminii and BM. They both give us a lot of information. But there's a difference between bad posting (BM) and suspicious posting (youngminii). The town always ends up lynching people who have posted dumb ideas, or clumsily explained themselves. These people are never red. The key is to find people who are posting oddly, like youngminii has been. If you look at his posts, and compare them to the games he's been playing as town, then you see an obvious difference. He's resumed his level of activity, and I grant that activity over one day never says a lot, but since he's resumed posting, he's still not really played like he has in the past. His posts have been full of the vitriol and energy as normal, but it's like he's purposely lost his confidence in picking out mafia, and is suddenly playing like a child. He's just hitting back for no reason. I fought bitterly (and wrongly, I feel obliged to add) against him last game, but even throughout, he maintained that I was a townie. But this kind of defending where he FoS's his accuser? It's much more suspicious.
Meanwhile, BM has been posting mostly content-less post, including cat image macros, and bad plans early. But, knowing BM's style, this isn't particularly surprising. BM has done nothing else to look suspicious, only defended himself from Pyrr's ham-handed attacks. I see just another classic townie v. townie fight. He's not mafia. Let's not make the same mistakes again. Apparently little tree.hugger is pissed off that when he's not filling the thread with pro-BM propaganda, my truth gets through to the townspeople. More than every other post from tree.hugger is bashing on my ideas with no good reasons behind it other than "BM is always plays anti-town so we should assume he is always pro-town" the same line of crap Foolishness has been throwing all game. On August 10 2010 13:00 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 12:49 Bill Murray wrote:On August 10 2010 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
er above I said "I am ready to flip Bill Murray and see if Team 2 is the red team"
I meant Team 1.
Team 1: I see as Bill Murray, Foolishness, and Brown Bear for sure. Next members in decreasing likelihood: Hesmyrr, SouthRawrea (maybe?), a have a few other ideas but not worth it to cross that bridge now
Team 2: Chezinu, Youngminii, VayeshMaru, maybe Artanis.
Another weird thing about Day 1 voting
By the end of the day, it was very two sided. These Day 1 things don't usually end up this way. If there wasn't a mafia at stake, things would probably be spread out a lot. There were a ton of people banding on to love1another. He was gonna be no help to town but there were a lot of other inactives. Now people were partially voting to save BM because he is a big name I guess, but it surprises me that it would get up to 10 votes on love1another. It seems to me like some mafia bandwagonned onto love1another to save BM, and then some townies followed onto that wagon. I am not in contact with brownbear AT ALL, but foolishness told me he claimed mad hatter. I am VERY suspicious of foolishness, and would endorse his lynch. If you want people to start voting him, and not voting me, I'm all for that. I have no ties whatsoever other than people who I think are town (pyrrhuloxia, ~opz~) I am suspicious of foolishness, chezinu, brownbear, xelin, youngminii Wait he claimed MH? I just posted defending you, and then you do stupid things like roleclaiming for other people in the thread? Bro, chill out, and start being productive so I don't look like an idiot. So now it is leaked that brownbear is madhatter. Trackers can check this so I guess circle can handle it. On August 10 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 13:25 tree.hugger wrote:On August 10 2010 13:22 Hesmyrr wrote:
WTF DOUBLE POST
Actually, if BM actually flips green, then it is time to put pressure on foolishness, because frankly he should know better. I also wouldn't put much credence into position people took regarding certain person; I saw way much examples where player dogmatically and irrationally defended someone while being town. It by itself is not enough to incriminate someone, and should be only used as indicator - "oh he defended scum better iso him" instead of "omg he defended scum lynch him!" Hahah, other way around. Wait, actually I'm not sure. Care to explain more? I don't follow. I will admit I am more suspicious of Foolishness than BM at this point. Not sure what to make of this. Why would Tree.Hugger ask for clarification here if there wasn't at least one of them that was mafia? On August 10 2010 13:35 Hesmyrr wrote:
This is all WIFOM.
BrownBear and Foolishness are in contact with each other. Foolishness is also in separate contact with Bill Murray. If Foolishness is mafia, then he can kill BB with impunity, but BB might have taken insurance by telling someone about contact between them. So by telling Bill Murray, he buys an way out because he was under big pressure yesterday- and knowing his play tendency might have expected him to reveal it. The fact supporting this argument is that I see no reason for Foolishness to tell Bill Murray BB's role.
Of course I think other way is more probable, that Bill Murray is scum and he is taking advantage of Foolishness's mistake by revealing the fact that he came to knew BB's identity due to Foolishness. Knowing how Foolishness defended him, it would not be very hard to push for his lynch if BM flips red. Fact supporting this is I see no reason why Bill Murray would reveal he know BB's role- I honestly do not believe Bill thought revealing someone else's role was going to save him. At least one of the two has to be mafia. Stop ignoring this, town. On August 10 2010 13:47 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 13:35 Hesmyrr wrote:
This is all WIFOM.
BrownBear and Foolishness are in contact with each other. Foolishness is also in separate contact with Bill Murray. If Foolishness is mafia, then he can kill BB with impunity, but BB might have taken insurance by telling someone about contact between them. So by telling Bill Murray, he buys an way out because he was under big pressure yesterday- and knowing his play tendency might have expected him to reveal it. The fact supporting this argument is that I see no reason for Foolishness to tell Bill Murray BB's role.
Of course I think other way is more probable, that Bill Murray is scum and he is taking advantage of Foolishness's mistake by revealing the fact that he came to knew BB's identity due to Foolishness. Knowing how Foolishness defended him, it would not be very hard to push for his lynch if BM flips red. Fact supporting this is I see no reason why Bill Murray would reveal he know BB's role- I honestly do not believe Bill thought revealing someone else's role was going to save him. Yeah this is useless, honestly. It's a gut call whichever is more likely, and of course, they could both be town, and BM could just be reckless. Bedtime. Expecting this thread to somehow be another twenty pages when I return because Chezinu claimed Morgan Freeman or something. Please respond to my pm's. Thank you. Who has he been PMing? On August 11 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 13:51 Chezinu wrote:
Ok guys, tree.hugger is gone let's start posting! I KNEW IT! *** Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM. And please, if I pm'd you, please respond. Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either. More BM defense and marginalization of me. If I am such a loose cannon going after a boat load of innocents, why marginalize me so much? The fact is, I bet BM and Foolishness are on the same team and have been working together since Day 1. All of the fights between them are a bunch of smoke kicked up because I pegged their asses on Day 1 and they knew they had to create some sort of diversion and some sort of fake conflict between them. (And the conflict over BB's role is totally fake BS - at least Foolishness's account of it. More on that later when I share my PMs with him. Also note that the two people that have been scoping for blues through PMs are Bill Murray (he admits this) and Foolishness (see the PMs from LSB I posted after LSB died)). Also, town, if you think I'm so crazy and such a bad player... LSB suspected Foolishness just as much as me. And he's been our best player so far - just ask tree.hugger. On August 11 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2010 13:51 Chezinu wrote:
Ok guys, tree.hugger is gone let's start posting! I KNEW IT! *** Just read through, and I'm waiting for youngminii's posts today, because it'll be interesting how he reacts. I don't think I've seen anything else to recommend BM as a mafia, and I really don't see why he's getting more than Pyrr's vote, as Pyrr seems kind of fixed in on BM. And please, if I pm'd you, please respond. Aside from that, I'd like to make a plea for civility in this thread. I'm sure the majority of people posting are angry townies, and try to remember, everyone's on the same side here until proven otherwise. So BB, no matter how dumb it was for BM to reveal your role, it happened, and there's no need to rage at him in the thread. BM, I know you're getting frustrated, and so am I, but if you just coolly defended yourself in the first place, you'd likely not be under suspicion to begin with. And Pyrr, it doesn't make any more sense to start revealing more roles, no matter what you think you know or not. That's not helpful either. It's okay for Tree.Hugger to point out that Foolishness is confirmed blue. It's okay for Tree.Hugger to point out that Brown Bear is confirmed blue. It's okay for Bill Murray as well. And not at all bad for Foolishness to have told Bill Murray. But not for me to out a blue? I have no idea what he's talking about here, either. I thought maybe it was me mentioning Pandain's "fake" ninja claim but I think that comes later. Xelin later told town anyway so I don't think it was the wrong decision. The inconsistencies here and who they favor should be obvious, though. On August 11 2010 11:24 tree.hugger wrote:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play.
If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that?
We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names.
INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time.
And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them.
Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief. More reason I trust Xelin. Notice he wants us to think the mafia were trying to save Bill Murray even though that makes no fucking sense and it should be obvious by now that WHEN TWO DAYS IN A ROW, FOOLISHNESS, BILL MURRAY, TREE.HUGGER, AND RASTABAN all bandwagon onto someone to save Bill Murray the mafia is not gonna be all stacked on him. Notice the MAFIA who just earlier the same day was saying WE SHOULD TRUST FOOLISHNESS AND BROWN BEAR AS CONFIRMED AS LONG AS THERE IS NO MAFIA COUNTERCLAIM, and that WE SHOULDN'T WAIT FOR 100% CONFIRMATION BECAUSE WE COULD NEVER DO ANYTHING AS A TOWN OTHERWISE, is now saying FUCK XELIN HE'S SKETCH. I'll admit I doubted Xelin at this point, but I never said we should be trusting someone else 100%, and I never said we should trust easily since otherwise we'll never get anything done. And, I told Xelin I'd follow him for at least a lynch or two since the potential benefit was huge and his suspicions on Pandain matched up with things I'd heard about in PMs. Maybe tree.hugger was being truthful about the mafia not freaking out over me pressuring Bill Murray Day 1. They are freaking the fuck out now, though, I guarantee it. Really good luck on our part with Xelin, plus a good plan and outstanding leadership and initative from LSB. On August 12 2010 02:18 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2010 22:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 11 2010 11:24 tree.hugger wrote:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play.
If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that?
We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names.
INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time.
And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them.
Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief. really? You weren't paying attention last game. Honestly, this post seems mafia trying to stir doubts in Xelin's circle....What Leak are you talking about? BB? Alright look. Bum's right, I got a little annoyed. But after the OSL this morning, I'm feeling better. I had already heard several of the claims that Pandain had made. It seemed to me that a ninja and a mafia player could be expected to play similarly, because they both had something to hide. But I couldn't fathom a reason why anyone would falsely claim ninja. If a mafia member claimed ninja, they'd be taking a big risk that word of their role wouldn't leak. Maybe that role would confirm the player to the town, but with other ninja's in the game who's sole obvjective is to kill other ninjas, this would be a terrible claim to make. Why on earth would the mafia risk dying to a third party? At the same time, a blue role claiming ninja would be phenomenally dumb. Risking, your death to infiltrate a circle that you're already aligned to? Therefore, I felt strongly that Pandain must be the role he initially presented himself as, because only a ninja would actually claim ninja, and then attempt to muddy the waters with other claims. There's no benefit for a townie, and there's too much risk for the mafia. That said, no matter how much evidence we had against Pandain, then the lynch was still a bad idea, because it took a potentially touchy situation (a split vote) for the mafia, and gave the mafia a third option that would relieve them of any suspicion, and save one of their own. I'm pretty sure that youngminii is mafia, and I'd love to vote to test it out. Most people in the thread seemed convinced of either this, or BM's guilt. If we find a mafia between these two, then we've got a fantastic trove of evidence to pick from. But now, we're going to have to do it all again. And furthermore, to answer your question about whatever town circle is operating, I have people I trust for reasons that are my own. I have not had any of these people divulge anything sensitive we've discussed publicly, meanwhile, I can count several leeks in the the thread from XeliN's circle. I'm expecting tonights deaths to really really suck, because someone in your circle told someone else, and that person told someone else, and if the mafia is playing this game at all, they've probably heard everything. The anti-youngminii push is so obvious here. There's no way Tree.Hugger was expecting to die so soon and have his role revealed. I bet he spent the whole game worried hed be the only mafia left on Day 3. Hardly anyone seriously called him out until this post by OpZ, which immediately made tree.hugger change his demeanor (how did I not call him out earlier for his defenses of BM and Foolishness? If I had just called him out earlier you'd all be loving me now.) Again, this post makes me more suspicious of Foolishness than BM. Still worried about both, though. tl;dr Mr. Resetti continues tunneling, undaunted. He continues to articulate his unmasking of mafias uno y dos: Foolishness and Bill MurrayHe also continues to articulate his suspicion of mafia numero tres: BrownBearHis list has been appended with two newcomers, who could possibly have originally been innocent but are surely now controlled for evil by Foolishness: RastabanMisderMaybes: bumatlarge KF91 SouthRawrea Mr. Resetti has also pledged his allegiance to the exalted Xelin or Xelin. The exalted one should be able to determine whether or not the tunneler is digging toward gold or fool's gold. Bonus: Vote Analysis: Day 2 + Show Spoiler +
End of Day 2:
Votes for youngminii (5)
Foolishness
rastaban
tree.hugger
KF91
Bill Murray
I swear to the Lord that I completed everything above this part of the post before I even checked to see this final total. Lawl.
Lol on KF91, what's he done all game? Probably super inactive and didn't see the Pandain stuff.
Second to last official count on Day 2:
Votes for Bill Murray (10)
Pyrrhuloxia
Hesmyrr
Roffles
KF91
Artanis[Xp]
larjarse
zeks
bumatlarge
BrownBear
Jayme
Votes for youngminii (8)
Foolishness
rastaban
Bill Murray
Divinek
Misder
tree.hugger
DarthThienAn
~OpZ~
Foolishness, rastaban, and Bill Murray form the start of the YM bandwagon. Tree.hugger is on it. So is Misder. Tree.hugger literally posts saying he is following a PM from some unnamed person - this is his stated reason for changing from Artanis to Youngminii.
Rastaban and Misder have both openly admitted choosing their votes based on PMs from Foolishness.
Roffles unvotes from BM and votes BC as a joke. It is now 9-8, with BM on the lynch.
Bumatlarge switches to BM (fos here)
KF91 switches to BM (potential fos)
Notice BrownBear is on Bill Murray after the fake fight involving his role being revealed. Bill Murray posts in the thread saying BrownBear's vote was childish and emotional.
BrownBear goes of Bill Murray and onto Zeks.
Then the Xelin stuff begins.
The count is 8 for BM and 5 for Youngminii when tree.hugger votes youngminii.
Day 1 + Show Spoiler +
OpZ and SouthRawrea vote Bill Murray.
Bill Murray does his real fake joking serious vote on Divinek. He is followed by bumatlarge and rastaban. This puts Bill Murray out of lynch position.
Votes for Bill Murray (4)
SouthRawrea
larjarse
Pyrrhuloxia
DarthThienAn
Votes for love1another (4)
rastaban
chaoser
KF91
Hesmyrr
Rastaban moves from divinek and on my prodding goes to Bill Murray. He says he buys my arguments on Bill Murray. He quickly bails to love1another, though.
love1another votes BM to save himself. South Rawrea switches to put Bill Murray out of lynch position again.
Bill Murray moves to love1another and votes double lynch. From here it gets more spread out and tree.hugger ends up on Artanis. BrownBear on laaan. bumatlarge on divinek. Final count is 10-6.
LOL
Anyway...
I'm tired of this "if they can"...
Flamewheel, Can the mafia choose not to roleblock during the night?
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. My biggest beef with you I guess is that you've been redirecting suspicion to other people for reasons that apply to you as well. I'm not as sure that you're mafia now but you're still pretteh scummy to me as well as claiming you have content in the few posts that you have when you really don't.
