EPTOn August 05 2010 01:31 citi.zen wrote:
LOL, it's not time to vote, it's night. And yes.
LOL, it's not time to vote, it's night. And yes.
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On August 05 2010 01:21 BrownBear wrote: ##Vote: rastaban It's LYLO, and he seems the most likely to me to be red. At this point, I have to assume the BC-claiming-to-him thing was a mafia mindgame. That was a fast vote with little explanation when we are in a LYLO situation... I am going to look back, and check Chaosers and Opz posts as they were never confirmed, knowing they were town could be what helps us pinpoint the mafia. | ||
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1) abstaining is stupid at this point in the game 2) I work 2/3 of the day so may not be back in time to vote in the future 3) I sincerely believe you are red | ||
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It is too bad that this vote count ended up being off. because if it was accurate then the following posted earlier might have rang true: On August 03 2010 05:07 Divinek wrote: it's great cause everyone that has voted so far is quite quite town like in my eyes, cant wait for the mafia to place their votes on some wagon! If the mafia knew the vote count was off they may not have tried anything and spread there votes. I would like to hear from the confirmed (Divinek, D3) what there thoughts are on the current situation. Right now I am leaning towards Misder, he has been playing like Xelin this whole game, and his votes have been very strange. Don't know if it is enough to hang someone. I just remembered a list of his posts was compiled earlier, so I went back and found them I will re-post them in case anyone else wants to look over them as well. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 30 2010 03:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Compendium of posts by or about Misder (Part 1) + Show Spoiler + Page 9 On July 17 2010 00:38 Misder wrote: How do you know who's mafia if there are no clues? Behavior? Page 11 On July 17 2010 11:27 Misder wrote: So... are we lynching now? Page 17 This was the first vote on Hyperbola, who ended up getting lynched. Prior to this post, nine different people had one vote each on them. Misder ended the day with his vote on LaxerCannon, though... On July 18 2010 10:43 Misder wrote: ##Vote: hyperbola Sketchy to me. He says hes active, but says he only posted because he does want to be killed. And hyperbola's reason to lynch SiNiquity is horrible lol. I was actually going to abstain, but hyperbola's post annoyed me lol. More vote analysis: Misder voted with SouthRawrea (as well as Roffles and Citi.zen) against Chaoser on Day 2. Day 3, Misder voted for me rather than citi.zen or southrawrea (citi.zen died). Day 4, Misder voted for Pandain rather than BC. Page 19 On July 18 2010 13:22 Misder wrote: Um... I'm not aligned with SiNiquity at all right now. I know nothing of him. However, I do know that your post seems really... odd, to say the least. Also, what is wrong with a lengthy post? His first lengthy post was just a list of names that have not contributed (I was on that list... hopefully I'm doing ok helping out the town as much as I can). His second lengthy response, I admit, is completely against you; but he has a point. Just because you were townie aligned before does not mean that you can act sketchy and get away with it. Page 22 Misder asks Amber[Light] why he is trusting Xelin On July 19 2010 02:27 Misder wrote: Why exactly do you trust Xelin out of all the players here? As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Page 25 Vote changed to LaxerCannon On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k  ~peace ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch  I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... Page 30 Impatient for day post On July 20 2010 10:27 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 07:15 LaXerCannon wrote: Resources (fixed) + Show Spoiler + Jayme -> Amber[light] Pandain -> abstain DTA -> Abstain -> d3_crescentia d3_crescentia -> DTA DTA -> Unabstain citi.zen -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia Pandain -> Incognito SouthRawrea -> Abstain ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain bumatlarge -> Divinek Pandain -> BloodyC0bbler Hyperbola -> SiNiquity LaXercannon -> Abstain Youngminii -> Abstain Divinek -> Abstain Tricode -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola Roffles -> Abstain tree.hugger -> LaXercannon Foolishness -> Abstain lakrismamma -> LaXercannon lakrismamma -> Subversion BloodyC0bbler -> Pandain ~OpZ~ -> BloodyC0bbler Pyrrhuloxia -> DTA XeliN -> Brownbear iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii youngminii -> iNfuNdiBuLuM citi.zen -> ketomai XeliN -> youngminii chaoser -> abstain Amber[LighT] -> abstain treehugger -> DTA Amber[LighT] -> youngminii Roffles -> youngminii lakrismamma -> ketomai DTA -> Amber[LighT] bumatlarge -> Hyperbola BrownBear -> Hyperbola Jayme -> Youngminii Foolishness -> BloodyC0bbler Misder -> LaXerCannon zeks -> abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola BloodyC0bbler -> Abstain -> Pandain bumatlarge -> Divinek -> Hyperbola* BrownBear -> Hyperbola* Chaoser -> Abstain citi.zen -> ketomai d3_crescentia -> DTA Divinek -> Abstain -> Hyperbola* DTA -> Abstain -> Amber[LighT] Foolishness -> Abstain -> BloodyC0bbler Hyperbola -> SiNiquity iNfuNdiBuLuM -> youngminii Jayme -> Amber[Light] -> youngminii lakrismamma -> LaXerCannon -> Subversion -> ketomai LaXercannon -> Abstain Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon ~OpZ~ -> Chaoser -> BloodyC0bbler Pandain -> Abstain -> Incognito (?) -> BloodyC0bbler -> Hyperbola* Protactinium -> Abstain Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain -> DTA rastaban -> citi.zen Roffles -> Abstain SiNiquity -> Hyperbola* SouthRawrea -> Abstain Subversion -> Hyperbola Tricode -> Abstain tree.hugger -> LaXerCannon XeliN -> Brownbear -> youngminii youngminii -> Pyrrhuloxia -> abstain -> iNfuNdiBuLuM zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain What interests me is this block of voting: Misder -> Hyperbola Divinek -> Hyperbola Pandain -> Hyperbola Pyrrhuloxia -> Abstain zeks -> Hyperbola SiNiquity -> Hyperbola and these people: Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain My head hurts so I'll just give a couple one liners for now (I've been digging through this damned thread for like an eternity) The Hyperbola bandwagon Misder @ 10:43 Divinek @ 10:51 Pandain @ 10:56 zeks @ 11:22 SiNiquity @ 11:37 Within an hour, Hyperbola gets bandwagonned and is in first place: @ 11:37 (after roffles' vote) Definitely suspicious considering how fast and compact the votes were together Misder -> Hyperbola* -> LaXercannon zeks -> Hyperbola* -> abstain Misder -> starts bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed zeks -> fourth voter for bandwagon, jumps off when Hyperbola's screwed attempts at lowering suspicion? I already said why I unvoted for Hyperbola. + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... Also, as many people already stated, Hyperbola was not screwed all the way. It was 6-5 for Hyperbola, a very close vote. Anyways... ITS 9:27!!!!!! WHERE IS THE DAY POST!!!! Page 31 Deflects blame for Hyperbola bandwagon onto followers BrownBear, zeks, and Subversion On July 20 2010 13:44 Misder wrote: BrownBear, zeks, and Subversion are the three people that originally voted for Hyperbola... just because. As people already pointed out, they are under the most suspicion because they just went the easy way out, without needing to read the thread. I think that we should lynch one of these three. Either they are mafia who don't want to come out or townies that aren't helping anything by jumping on bandwagons which was decisive in who we lynched on Day 1 (could have been 4-5 if they actually read the thread and had their own ideas). + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 13:11 Bill Murray wrote: the day technically started at 9 pm est/10 kst my girlfriend and i have been fighting, and i'm sorry that that inhibited my ability to resolve the night's action on time, but we really needed a night out together, and went to see the movie inception. i would like to add that i am now engaged to be married. i will make the day start from midnight tonight as a result. let me go through the actions and see who was to be killed/protected/etc. Congrats! I'm sorry about making you rush the day post >.< Page 36 BloodyC0bbler makes a big post including why he thinks Zeks and Misder are town. Why would the GF make a post trying to convince town that two town-aligned people are town-aligned? Page 36 Misder puts FoS on lakrismamma, citi.zen, and DTA for Foolishness's death (note I used this in my case against DTA). On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote: Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.) + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote: You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote: I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote: You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote: The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything. The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover. It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for. People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track. ##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good. On July 21 2010 03:21 Misder wrote: I would also like to point out this post by citi.zen. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 10:09 citi.zen wrote: I know you're not a bad player, so this attempt to cast doubts on me out of the blue strikes me as odd. Especially since you're grouping me with lakrismama - which makes zero sense, as you would know full well it if you were honestly searching for reds. Look at his posts: Transparent much? No mafia, in any game that I have seen, risks showing this "support" towards each other on day 1. You know this. And you Sir are now looking very red. Foolishness has been pointed out as having odd behavior. He may have been a future lynching target. Why would the mafia target someone who is suspicious of being red? Page 36 Citi.zen points out that Misder's collection of Foolishness's post leaves out the one where Foolishness votes for BloodyC0bbler! On July 21 2010 03:29 citi.zen wrote: Good collection of posts man, congrats! You left out this one: Page 43 Misder changes vote from DTA (who gets lynched) to Chaoser On July 22 2010 01:32 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 13:01 chaoser wrote: On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote: Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12? So far the votes have been Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59 DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59 tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03 DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34 d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50 Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15 bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59 ~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01 rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59 Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18 Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02 Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57 bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25 DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30 NEW VOTES: chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02 BrownBear abstains at 6:52 Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53 Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20 youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32 chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25 LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27 SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19 chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34 hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me ##vote Subversion End result: BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode) Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser) DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia) chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea) abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon) People yet to vote: xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles Chaoser won't tell us what he is experimenting. Here's what I think he is doing. Remember subversion's post? + Show Spoiler + On July 21 2010 09:09 Subversion wrote: THANK YOU fucking hell. I played in ONE NIGHT of harry potter mafia, I got temp banned for some stupid joke and got replaced This is my first game ffs, I didn't realise what I said would make it "oh gg, he's mafia lol, what a fkn moron". I was trying to be useful Seems like everyone is jumping on my voting bandwagon, I get what I said was stupid now, although I still don't really understand why its a fucknormous mistake. I was simply stating what to me, was a fairly obvious fact. It was kind of a justification for my vote to be honest. I didn't see any major mistakes, I didn't have anyone I felt REALLY deserved a vote, but I didn't wanna abstain and I thought Hyperbola was fucked anyway. So I read what he said and what others said, there didn't really seem like any better choice, so I just voted for him. Like I said, I didn't really think my vote mattered much anyway. I also had Bill up my ass saying I was gonna be modkilled if I didn't vote! I really don't want to be voted out here, I don't want to roleclaim either, but I can if necessary?? I think that chaoser is trying to get subversion to roleclaim. He voted for subversion to pressure subversion to roleclaim to defend himself. Do not roleclaim yet. This makes me very very suspicious of chaoser. I may be completely paranoid, but its scummy to me. ##Unvote DarthThienAn Vote chaoser On July 22 2010 01:43 Misder wrote: Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 30 2010 03:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: "Part 2 + Show Spoiler + Page 44 Says he is suspicious of Zeks and BC On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus. + Show Spoiler + blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... My reason for lynching him was this + Show Spoiler + As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior. The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that. Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out. Page 62 On July 22 2010 12:44 Misder wrote: ##Vote Double lynch I have a feeling that after today, we are going to have a huge crapload of people under suspicion... Page 63 On July 22 2010 12:50 Misder wrote: One more person needs to vote double lynch for it to pass!! On July 22 2010 12:50 Misder wrote: It is majority vote for double lynch, right? On July 22 2010 12:54 Misder wrote: oh, lol. When I looked at BM vote tally, I thought there were 15 people left and we needed 8 people... stupid me. Page 71 Citi.zen wonder why no one is responding to or following with his suspicion of Misder. Pandain replies to say he thinks Zeks is more suspicious than Misder. On July 23 2010 06:09 Pandain wrote: I actually followed up on your suscipion of misder/zeks and I've decided that misder is much more town-likely than zeks. Misder I feel is actually contributing while Zeks posts' aren't that praiseworthy much. In addition, I negated the idea of ALL the three of them being mafia (misder,zeks, BC) because as misder says in this post he includes zeks in being under suscipion. Obviously that could just be a mafia ploy, but it does help lend credibility to Misder. In addition, Misder could be mafia too. Looking over his posts I found a few that are suscipious, but not neccesarily mafia like. Here we see his reasoning ORIGINALLY for voting Hyperbola, but of course I take this to mean a joking sort of vote. He does question Hyperbola but then later unvote him here. A theory could be laid that Misder wanted to "start" the bandwagon on Hyperbola and than jump out. This could be possible, but I believe it is too early to call such a thing certain. Even more theories(all speculative) could be laid out supporting him being mafia. For example, in this post he begins to show how Foolishness's death could have been caused by his posts "accusing people." Misder could just be using this to help the mafia, or he could just be trying to help. Either way, uncertain. More questionable is what you point out that in that post he forgot to include Foolishness's vote for BC. As of now, should we vote Misder? No. Should we keep an eye on him? Perhaps. Personally I feel zeks is a better suspect. I've compiled a list of his posts and notes I can share, but as of now they're pretty sloppy and just my thoughts. I'll probably reveal it later. Finally, as for BC? not sure yet. He's a mafia vet, therefore should be watched closely, but I'm not sure if there are close enough ties to tie him to mafia. Especially a 3 person maifa. Unless you have more posts by BC which could indicate him, I'm more likely to just suspect Zeks. A note about Zeks: One of the reasons I suspect him is because he's fairly quiet. More so than probably 95% of people.*cough* Tricode *Cough*. Speak up zeks, I'll probably change my mind about you. So yeah, those are just my thoughts. Just wanted you to know I have been thinking about that post. In short: Interesting idea, but we need more evidence/posts. I feel like one of the things holding us back is that certain people aren't speaking that often. Does it make them mafia? Certainly not. Can it be indicative of a mafia? Certainly. These thoughts are certainly not final, and I'm still in the process of analyzing and deciding. Page 72 Misder responds On July 23 2010 08:36 Misder wrote: citi.zen's post + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! my post + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 03:30 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2010 02:09 citi.zen wrote: Glad you asked! I am intrigued by the trifecta of you/zeks/BC. If one of you turned red, I'd heavily suspect the others. The converse obviously does not necessarily hold. BC concluded in his long post that zeks and misder are likely innocents who left the hyperbola bandwagon when they realized what a monster of a creation is was, and that it was probably leading to lynching an innocent player (hello day 1 lynches). Seems like a pretty strong thing to infer, but the man has mad experience, so who knows. Both zeks and misder use the same argument for their switch: they never voted with any conviction, only to make hyperbola become more active. Then foolishness got killed and the ever so helpful misder put together a post on foolishnes' accusations about me and darth, conveniently forgetting to include the fact that foolishness voted for BC. This post was an obvious attempt to start suspicion, but mysteriously misder never followed up on it once Amber 'splained it to him: Most townies enjoy debating their hunches, mafia prefers to start shit and then lay low - this is exactly what you did here. So yeah, I think you make an excellent lynching candidate. If you turned red we'd have a lead on other players. If you are not lynched you or zeks should get checked tonight (not BC - if red he would be the GF who put himself up for checking). That's my little conspiracy theory of the day! + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 08:08 Hyperbola wrote: Guys, really? Okay so I'm pretty much lynched because you people can't take a joke. So I'm leaving this as my legacy: People I think are mafia or atleast seem fishy: Brown Bear Really dude? Jumping on a bandwagon before even reading the thread? youngminii You are entirely too defensive when a person puts a vote on you as a placeholder. Either you are scum or a very nervous blue. You also endorse no lynching on the first day to appear to be "pro-life" and "for the town". I really don't see your reasoning behind this because a random shot in the dark of inactives or suspicious players can in fact nab a red. And if it doesn't you only lose a green because a blue would at least roleclaim or try to join up with trust circles to avoid getting lynched in this manner. (Divided blues that don't make connections are really hindering the town). SiNiquity I had absolutely no evidence against you before but now you are starting to stink of scum at first you took my accusal of you as a joke and brushed it off, but when people started accusing me of being mafia you saw an opportunity and went into action to provide as much evidence as you could find against me by even looking into past games. Then you just completely shut your mouth and is now waiting for the situation to close to start talking again (afraid you'll say something to bring attention to you and me being the perfect scapegoat). Also your previous posts were really try-hard in my opinion. You contributed absolutely nothing by typing up lengthy posts that just summarized what everyone said. Besides that you clarified and discussed some rules of the game and such. You want to make it seem like you are contributing and keep a neutral and non aggressive stance like a reporter so no one would suspect you. This could just be your playstyle but it seems like a very cautious red one to me. LaXerCannon First LaxerCannon recommends lynching inactives but then goes ahead and abstains. Then he goes on again about how we should just line up inactives to lynch and doesn't change his vote. Then he vanishes. This is fishy for two reasons. First the obvious contradiction, and second, the effort to try and direct suspicion away from him. He keeps pushing the idea to lynch random inactive people while the town debates over a few suspects and really does nothing but push the town in the wrong direction: not analysing the game but killing off quiet people. Then he talks about playoffs and keeps endorcing random picking ideas. That is wayy too anti-town to be a blue. And if he's green he doesn't care about the game much. ------------------------------------------------------- this is all I have now and hope I at least contributed to the game before I die sorry about trying to have fun guys :/ j/k ~peace I never said the only reason to vote to lynch him was to get him active. I said it was a plus. + Show Spoiler + blah. I don't want to abstain... but I don't know who to lynch I vote LaXerCannon because his posts don't have any substance whatsoever. He tries to contribute, but doesn't give any astounding idea. His ideas are based on previous ideas that have been said, and doesn't say anything new. Then he distracts from the conversation. Either Hyperbola is a mafia member that is trying every attempt to get out, by making false accusations, or he is a townie who make a mistake but is trying to amend it by giving analysis. I tend to lean towards the latter. Plus, Hyperbola is now being active, which is good. If he is a mafia member, his activeness may work against him because he will have to dodge a lot to make it seem like he is a townie. If he is a townie, well, good. An active townie a very very good. Hopefully, I made the right decision... My reason for lynching him was this + Show Spoiler + As for the hyperbola bandwagon: I didn't really mean to actually start the bandwagon xD I just pointed out that his posts don't provide substance at all, and his defense is very poor. and I think this came a way too late. Why not say this when defending himself the first time? He's just asking to be lynched... Nothing in there said that I wanted him to be active. I changed my vote because he contributed a lot to the town even though he was under attack. No mafia member would do this. This is pro-town behavior. The reason why I gathered up the posts from Foolishness was to see if we could find anything from his posts. It wasn't like I was making a claim based on Foolishness's posts, just making sure we didn't miss out on something that the mafia didn't want Foolishness to expand on. Foolishness was a clear advocate for lynching DTA and you (citi.zen). Mafia may have wanted to kill Foolishness before he can expand. After Amber's post, I didn't know if I was going the right direction or not. It seemed like what I was doing was not helping, so I stopped. I thought that I got my point across with original post, and I left it at that. Do not put me in the same category as zeks or BC. I have my own suspicion of both of them... though not as thought out. citi.zen, you've only made one post against me (with actual content), and I have responded earlier. Just saying. And if you really want to lynch me, you have tonight and day (mafia time) to present to the people before I can respond... (as I stated, I will not be able to get internet access tomorrow, and maybe even the day after tomorrow.) Page 78 Votes for me before day starts On July 23 2010 14:21 Misder wrote: ##Vote Double Lynch ##Vote Pyrrholuxia For DTA Since I can't defend myself later and no one is probably going to defend me, I'll just say that I'm pro-town. My only sugestion is look at my posts. They are the only things defending me right now. Hopefully I will be able to get internet access sometime soon. Page 88 BC says: "A list of 6 where 1-2 will most likely be red Siniquity, Southrawrea, Pandain, subversion, misder, protactinium" Page 94 Lakrismamma says: "I think BC is being very suspicious in not not coming with any ideas except delaying the claims. I find it weird as well that he dident include Misder in his little investigation. Misder is one of the scummyest people in the game I think. For now though since we could not abstain too much according to BM." Page 96 Siniquity says: "I searched and it seems Misder is the only one that hasn't posted since the Tricode / Citi.zen claiming party and has hinted he would probably be inactive this go-around. I think everyone else has at least posted, though a few only dropped in some one liners just saying they were either active or trying to catch up and didn't reference Tricode / Citi.zen directly, so it could be they missed it." Page 97 BC says: "As for why I haven't analyzed misder? So what? I opted to snag people I saw obviously coasting/acting scummy. You know, rather than fingering me for who I didn't analyze, maybe you should spend time analyzing said person. Hell if you think you believe they are scum, maybe you should give a reason why other than "I think" Trying to put suspicion on me for who I didn't analyze is like saying "You contributed, but because your scum list and mine don't overlap 100% you must be red" instead of contributing yourself." Page 120 Zeks posts: "Double Lynch List (18/13): Siniquity, BrownBear, Protactinium, zeks, ~OpZ~, rastaban, bumatlarge, chaoser, tree.hugger, LaXerCannon, Pandain, lakrismamma, XeliN, citi.zen, youngminii, pyrrhuloxia, amber[light], Divinek Who is missing? Tree.hugger, BC, SouthRawrea, Infundibulum, Misder, Tricode, Subversion" Page 130 Tree.Hugger posts: " On July 26 2010 11:53 Divinek wrote: also there's way too many people in this game that dont post enough that are probably mob, how annoying d3, (citi.zen's favorite) Misder, XeliN (haha, never posts, never has to) Page 135 Protractinium posts: "And so we have it here. Mafia killed Subversion, and I had a PM from Pandain telling me that the "other Detective" was going to check Subversion tonight, but to "keep Subversion from thinking that, and to just play it cool and to have him check Misder/lakrismamma." Page 136 Votes Pandain and SouthRawrea. Says we should lynch Zeks to see if BC is innocent or not. Says we should lynch Rastaban next. On July 26 2010 16:51 Misder wrote: ##vote Double Lynch ##vote SouthRawrea ##vote Pandain I'm back. And I read through the entire thread. It confused the heck out of me... my first mafia game wasn't this complicated. >.< Here's my train of thought: SouthRawrea has been lying, and fake claiming. Easy enough. And when he is asked to post PMs, he retypes it. I think that he doesn't know what PM posting looks like, so in order to cover up his made up PMs, he says he retypes it. Pandain has been lying in the PMs. To me, this suggests that he is mafia. Even when he is PMing, he doesn't follow the plans that are given. I don't know anything about PMing in a mafia game, but it seems to be all a mind game. And it seems like Pandain is confusing as many people as possible. I don't feel like BC is mafia. If he is, we can prove it by lynching zeks. This is pretty flawed, but I just have a feeling (I could be completely wrong, in which...) I also think that we should consider lynching rastaban. rastaban's dt is fake; we cannot confirm whether he is lying or that his dt is lying. We lynch rastaban to get this info. Page 153 Pandain's top 4 suspects On July 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote: Top four list(in my opinion) Imo we should look at these user's collection of posts first. In no particular order 1.Misder 2.Pyrr 3.tree hugger 4.Opz Page 156 Divinek suspicious of Misder On July 29 2010 15:22 Divinek wrote: Page 157 Divinek and rastaban and I discuss Misder Page 158 Brown Bear votes Misder. First vote on Misder this game? I think so. Page 159 Pandain has a new top 4 list. This one omits OPZ and adds Divinek. Page 159 Pandain votes for Divinek and I. Divinek shoud be lynched first because somehow this will prove Misder's alignment? | ||
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4 of us are town; 2 of us are confirmed, 3 of us are scum that's pretty good odds to me - we just have to figure out which two aren't scum out of 5 based on what looks reasonable to have I think we'd have Pyrr Misder and Brownbear all red for a team of BC/Pyrr/Brownbear/Xelin/Misder/SouthRawrea based on some mysterious instinct ##vote: BrownBear | ||
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On August 05 2010 05:48 d3_crescentia wrote: don't have any thoughts on this situation, really - like honestly who cares anymore? 4 of us are town; 2 of us are confirmed, 3 of us are scum that's pretty good odds to me - we just have to figure out which two aren't scum out of 5 based on what looks reasonable to have I think we'd have Pyrr Misder and Brownbear all red for a team of BC/Pyrr/Brownbear/Xelin/Misder/SouthRawrea based on some mysterious instinct ##vote: BrownBear Just so you don't try to vote change ;p | ||
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