TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 155

On July 19 2010 07:15 Protactinium wrote:
Hello all. I have PMed the moderator asking to replace somebody. Though he has acquiesced and granted the replacement (for the player Ketomai) he has yet to acknowledge this in the thread. Please grant me a while to read through the thread, though for now I will

##Vote: Abstain

as a placeholder.

On July 19 2010 08:40 Protactinium wrote:
Forgive me, all. I have gotten about halfway through the thread, though I'm being dragged out now by a friend to go watch Inception. My vote will remain upon abstain, as I will not be back until about 3 hours after deadline.

On July 20 2010 04:50 Protactinium wrote:
I kind of want to draw focus to the "Abstain" list.

I haven't seen or read too many Mafia games with the "Abstain" voting option; normally I just see people voting for themselves but that is not allowed in this game. Regardless, the six people on this list are all fairly inactive or haven't been contributing much, myself included. Though tree.hugger has brought up that Mafia will spread their votes amongst other people, I do think he's right in assuming that at least one Mafia member is abstaining, since it's the easiest way out.

When I went back and searched for the relevant posts people had made, I found that most of the above-mentioned do not have really any substantial or substantiating posts. Luckily, chaoser has saved me some time by notating the abstain votes here. Interestingly, or not-really-so-, enough, abstainers have a pretty low level of useful activity.

Let's start with Laxercannon. He doesn't really seem to make an effort in the game, and only has one post in which he types more than a line of text. He abstains but then doesn't make any effort to change it over the course of the next four or so hours. Also, his lack of attentiveness can be seen in his latest comment, stating that he wasn't following the thread enough. From reading a few past games he's been in, he seems to normally be more active. It's really too early, in my opinion, to draw some sort of conclusive read but I think it can be conclusively said that from the evidence given so far, Laxercannon is not playing very pro-town.

I've never seen tricode play a game before, but I think he's one of the older players, judging by his posting attitude. Out of the people on the abstain list, he seems to be the only one who isn't just posting spam (besides myself, since I only have two posts... though even those two don't add anything!). He votes for an abstain because he has to see his dad off, and then says that lynches have to be used, since saying "what if" loses the game. This is a good idea. tricode reads pretty town in my eyes.

chaoser doesn't really seem to be saying too much, looking through his posts, though he did compile the voting list afterward for the final few hours of the first day. He reiterates some old points beforehand, but I do like the list afterward. Will have to beware of 'paraphrased wording,' of course. chaoser seems to be playing pro-town, but he doesn't do the analysis himself, saying that "others can make use of [this information] however they want." Undecided.

Southrawrea has almost nothing of value posted, and he seems like a new player, in part because of the editing. He wants to 'take it easy' day 1 since there's nothing to go off of, but isn't it beneficial to the Mafia to have the town discuss nothing? Once again I can't say anything conclusively (even to myself) at this point, but Southrawrea isn't playing very pro-town.

Me... I don't feel like I should speak about myself. I just replaced in this game yesterday, caught up at the end of last night, and am making an attempt to PM and post now. I don't want to be an inactive bum, since that just benefits the Mafia. The less inactives there are, the fewer hiding spots the Mafia will have.

And finally, zeks. Votes for Hyperbola as a placeholder (why not abstain?) but then removes his vote after the rest of the votes for Hyperbola, disregarding Subversion's, have been cast. Doesn't really say anything of value, at most just reiterates some known things. Not very pro-town.

Will attempt to comment on other people later as I go along.

On July 20 2010 15:11 Protactinium wrote:
Interesting... we effectively just bought ourselves another day.

Ah, my pre-emptive refreshing before posting has shown me that BrownBear has elucidated the first part of my post above. Being too lazy to delete, I am going to post it anyway.

There are a few scenarios that come to mind though, and plausible or not I feel compelled to list them out:
1) d3_crescentia is a non-Veteran role and was saved by a Medic. In the games that I have read and played before, Medic saves, especially so early, are pretty unlikely.
2) d3_crescentia is a Veteran and took the hit. Probably the most plausible situation.
3) d3_crescentia is Mafia, claiming to have taken a hit while the Mafia doublestacked Foolishness in order to kill him. I don't think this is the case, but it could be a highly effective ploy if used correctly...

BrownBear: your post assumes that there are two Veterans? We do not know that there are that. If there is only one other Veteran and d3_crescentia claims that the logic goes to nil.

After Foolishness died, my immediate thoughts (of course) went to DarthThienAn. Before Foolishness' death, the two of them had an argument. Then Foolishness died. This alone makes me less suspicious of DarthThienAn, given his post-death trolling. Will go back to read Foolishness' posts though. From my readings he is generally pretty insightful. I remember him calling one person out but I'm too lazy to find it at this point since I want to get this post out.

Wondering about youngminii. After defending himself, he has gone silent. Also, let's not forget Subversion, with his "Mafia have not made many mistakes so far" and the suspicious vote.

On July 20 2010 15:18 Protactinium wrote:
Ignore me, I'm an idiot. Should have read OP.

On July 20 2010 15:40 Protactinium wrote:
Wow, damn not realizing it was a fully revealed setup just wasted my night's thinking.

Regardless, this kind of setup is very favorable to the town...

Ugh, back to thinking. Screw my inattentiveness.

On July 20 2010 15:44 Protactinium wrote:
Probably not today, unless we can find two clearly delineated targets.

Ah, scrolling backward. With the whole Vet idea, let's not forget this:

And don't forget he made the winning (or losing...) vote.

On July 21 2010 08:15 Protactinium wrote:
Protactinium’s thought processes and actions of last night:
1) Spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about the night deaths
2) Ponder how to use options delineated to work around the semi-open setup.
3) Realize that the setup is, in actuality, fully open.
4) Curse self.
5) Begin to scroll backward through thread.
6) Fall asleep.
7) Wake up thanks to overly-shrill alarm clock.
8) Get halfway through Proleague, fall asleep again.
9) Wake up late in the afternoon.
10) Check Mafia thread.

Four new pages, and they’ve been pretty good. Time to go through and comment on stuff.


Yes, you vote the day prior to activate the double lynch for the next day. Since it’s been brought up, just to further expound upon the double lynch debate: it may be okay to use Day 3, meaning we’d have to vote for it now. Given the nature of this game, a lot of confirmation can be found at night—any medic save will result in a confirmed townie, and disregarding the 1/soon-to-be-27th chance of hitting the Godfather with a check, Detective checks will come back with a confirmation as well. However, at this point it’s still much easier to strike green (or blue) with checks, meaning that there’d still be no definite, not to even think of having two locked choices, for a Day 3 double lynch. As the game goes on, the town gets exponentially stronger information-wise through confirmations and PMs, and we only have two double lynches. However, since it seems like there is a lot of finger pointing. Best to save the double lynches, in my opinion, for when the town is more united.

This might have been discussed to death already, but I do not agree with BrownBear’s Veteran roleclaiming plan. As Amber[LighT] has said, a Veteran has one vote regardless of how long he/she remains alive. In reality, until a Veteran is “confirmed” either through taking a hit or being the target of a Detective check, he/she is nothing more than a Townie. BrownBear has said that Mafia would not dare claim Veteran since when the third claim surfaces one red is guaranteed to go down (unless it’s the Godfather) but I agree with Amber when he/she (guy, right?) says that the Veterans would then just serve as a shining beacon of “hey, don’t waste your KP on me.” Even if two people claim Veteran, Detectives would still want to check them to make sure—what if one of our Veterans is an inactive player and hasn’t read the thread? Since pretty much any Detective check will confirm somebody, essentially wastes a check where Detectives could be trying to find reds, since once again a lot of fingers are being pointed right now. Mafia don’t have to hit the Veteran—they simply just have to use the Bomber on one, in hopes that a Detective will try to confirm. This has been talked about below, so I don’t think I’m going to talk about it more. iNfunDiBuLuM has also said this too. Whoops, how did I miss his post. In short, I do not agree with a Veteran claiming plan.

BloodyC0bbler’s plan is nice, and he really does highlight how advantageous the town has it this game. Also, it serves to show how much more of an advantage we have as compared to a regular game the longer we wait.

As for the last two pages, I’ll over them separately. It seems right now that there’s just a lot of flak being thrown around randomly. If I check the pages, I see DarthThienAn, citi.zen, Subversion, Chaoser, and BrownBear seem to be accused. We’ve still got more than a day left, so I’m going to take my time and do some reading. I guess I’ll compile my thoughts on these people by looking at posts.

Dinner (first meal of the day!) now.

On July 21 2010 08:36 Protactinium wrote:

Okay, I just wanted to make sure as to not potentially offend somebody!

On July 21 2010 08:56 Protactinium wrote:

I personally do not have firm conviction that Subversion is Mafia, as there still isn't much to work off of. However, the post that I brought up with the line in question was brought to my attention through PM land, and while it is something a new player would say, Freudian slips are still part of Mafia. I think though that more people are suspicious of Subversion because of the way the voting turned out. It doesn't make him Mafia, as other people were bandwagoning on Hyperbola as well, though it does make him suspicious.

On July 21 2010 09:17 Protactinium wrote:
Okay, I can understand that Subversion. I guess you and BrownBear were both just pressure-voting, and those kinds of things do happen. Still though, you have to understand why it's suspicious to be like that.

As for the role claim, ambivalence. Generally either mass roleclaims work or nobody role claims. One or two people doing so is bound to lead to sniping in the future, and it takes confirmation first.

And Infundibulum's list is interesting. I'd forgotten about the inactives. Definitely going to pressure them to post, though I wouldn't mind seeing some modkills at this point to give us more information.

On July 22 2010 02:26 Protactinium wrote:

I can live with this. From my standpoint, I still don't believe there is enough conviction to risk wasting one of our weapons, though I will most likely be voting for a double lynch for Day 4 (voting during the next day).


Pyrr dropped a bomb with this one. Reading through it is very convincing, and given how DarthThienAn has been playing this game ("Chezinu"-style but even more useless) at the very most he is playing very anti-town. I'm tempted to place my vote on him, but as we still have around 11 hours till deadline the fact that DarthThienAn hasn't been able to defend himself means that my vote will be staying upon an abstain now. After all, innocent till proven guilty, right?

Something that should be taken into consideration is the dichotomy of the battle. Still so early on, I don't think it's worth it for Mafia (if Pyrrhuloxia) is indeed so to make such a direct attack, especially since Mafia know that the victim will indubitably flip town-aligned. Of course, that could be WiFOM speaking but it doesn't seem likely. If DarthThienAn is not Mafia, then we probably have a town-on-town fight that the Mafia are either going to slightly help stir on or sit back and enjoy. Make no mistake, DarthThienAn is a strong player. I have read over a few of his past games now and he is quiet coherent and forceful when he wants to be. Hopefully this calling-out will force him to be more of a benefit to the town.

In regards to Subversion: The more I read into it, the more that I think people still accusing Subversion are just looking for an easy target. As Roffles has mentioned, Subversion still seems new to this game, and blunders do occur. If they continue to happen, we can easily hold him accountable for them, and his trail is easy enough to backtrack.

The same holds true with BrownBear. He (conclusively figure out it's a he from reading past games) can be a very well-spoken player, and was very pro-town in the first game he subbed in for, where he got into a bit of a sticky situation with a strategic modkill scenario. He's attempted to make amends for his Day 1 actions, though if his posting slips back into the unacceptable zone he's already on radar.

Chaoser seems to be a separate ticket, though if he is red he is not as strong a threat as DarthThienAn can potentially be. I assume Chaoser's experiment was to get Subversion to claim, though I think at this point we've already had enough soft claiming to get us through.

With all this being said and done, right now it seems like that along with the rest of the town, we're all waiting for DarthThienAn to speak. Hopefully he'll finally calm down and give us some legible answers, and hopefully we'll be able to bring out the great town player in him.

For now, since I am heading out for the day I will once again

##Vote abstain

as a placeholder. I will most definitely return before deadline and will change my vote to DarthThienAn, but at this point I'm unwilling to vote for Subversion or BrownBear. Chaoser, too, can wait for a later day, and we will pressure him to post better.

People that need to post more: tree.hugger, Divinek, lakrismamma, SouthRawrea, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler, d3_crescentia, Tricode, and zeks.

I am just going through the player roster thinking "who haven't I seen on the thread" in a while, so this list may be subjectively based upon my memory. For the most part though, I think this is correct. Don't let inactivity hurt us, town. Just because we're embroiled in this current situation it doesn't mean we let potential Mafia just sit back and do nothing.

On July 22 2010 02:28 Protactinium wrote:
Reposting as to edit above: after the vote, where it says "... and will change my vote to DarthThienAn,..." I forgot to include the conditional "if he does not provide a satisfactory defense/explanation" at the end of it.

See you in a few hours, town.

On July 22 2010 06:40 Protactinium wrote:

Chaoser, throwing blame around isn't the best way to make your case, especially if you are so blatantly wrong. I was subbed into this game and did not have time to finish reading the thread, as stated. If you are going to make false accusations, at least try to back them up.

Furthermore, you realize that unless everybody abstains, somebody is bound to be lynched. There is no majority system here.

On July 22 2010 10:58 Protactinium wrote:
Will cast my vote in around an hour's time.

I still get this feeling that we're being toyed with. There are far too people talking over this to make me think that we've hooked a Mafia member.

Of course, that's WiFOM speaking to me.

On July 22 2010 11:58 Protactinium wrote:
After careful consideration, I have to

##Vote DarthThienAn.

Your playstyle is too hard to read, and though you're posting in a more normal fashion at this point I believe you have polarized the town the most. While Subversion drew a lot of flak for the missed comment, in the end most of the impetuous people who jumped on that withdrew, but your case has thoroughly divided the town. At this point, I don't even know if any of you three are Mafia, and I am loathe to undertake a last-hour bandwagon. Between the madness you have brought us enough posts to look at, so in the case that you die we will be able to go back and find how this all started.

On July 22 2010 12:00 Protactinium wrote:

This is definitely going to be taken into consideration, and was one of the key factors in my decision. Since you two are pretty "big-name" people going at it, it'll be easier to eliminate a strong Mafia member.

On July 22 2010 13:23 Protactinium wrote:
At least he wasn't blue.

Tomorrow's the day for backtracking.

On July 22 2010 13:30 Protactinium wrote:

What's with having to "earn" your credibility anyway. Just play correctly and you won't have to be like "hey guys, I'm town, I'm town, have I convinced you I'm town yet?"

On July 22 2010 13:34 Protactinium wrote:

You are not a confirmed townie. You are not a central townie. You are not a confirmed, central townie. Please bring this back up when you become one.

On July 22 2010 13:39 Protactinium wrote:

I don't need you to tell me the rules of the game. You and I both know this. When I say "you" I mean it in a general term. You're so hell-bent on trying to appear as town that it works against you.

I'm stopping here. There's no point discussing this further as it adds nothing to the thread.

On July 23 2010 11:01 Protactinium wrote:

I'd like to wait till the Night is done (does it end at 13:00 KST again or was that a one time thing?) before deciding on targets. Bandwagons start this way, you know. Hopefully we'll get a good check result back, but if not let's see...

Tricode just seems bored. His self-kill comment just makes it seem like he's bored, but he could just be fooling around.

zeks is pretty inactive; need to see him post more and about his own thoughts instead of going along with the flow.

Not sure on Amber, have to continue reading.

Misder is going to be out for a while, so we won't be able to hear anything from (I'm assuming it's a him?) him. Beating a dead horse is kind of mean, as well, but this is Mafia. Through skimming his posts I don't find anything overtly Mafia about him. He does seem slightly tied to BloodyC0bbler though.

On July 23 2010 13:57 Protactinium wrote:
Officially, if we go by the clock we're already almost four hours late.

On July 23 2010 14:30 Protactinium wrote:

Has to be a vigilante shot. There is no sign of a Mad Hatter death...
Which raises two pertinent questions:
1) Which one of the hits was a Vigilante shot?
2) Was the shot a lone shot in an attempt to be a hero, or was it directed?

Compiling Roffles' and Jayme's posts. I don't really recall much of them during this game between everything else going on, but they both seemed semi-inactive. I guess this was a blue-sniping night...

On July 23 2010 14:49 Protactinium wrote:
Roffles' Posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

Jayme's Posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
Putting these out right now; seems that both were fairly inactive but definitely seemed like a blue snipe. Or maybe one of these got vigi hit and Mafia hit BC? Have to wait for a claim I guess.

On July 23 2010 15:56 Protactinium wrote:
Massive post incoming. Haven't read thread past this post:

But it would be nice to have it answered as well. Generally, Medics can protect the night they die and I should assume no reason it is changed now. In my upcoming post, it is thus addressed as such.

On July 23 2010 16:32 Protactinium wrote:

Medics can protect the night they die, at least in most games. If it was Roffles, we will never know. Hopefully though it was the other Medic...

There were three "hits" last night. Jayme and Roffles died, and BloodyC0bbler claims he took a hit.

Right now, there are a few cases:

• 1) Jayme and Roffles were hit by Mafia. BloodyC0bbler was hit by the Vigilante.
  
• 1a) BloodyC0bbler is a Veteran and lost his extra life to the Vigilante hit.
  
• 1b) BloodyC0bbler was protected by a Medic.
  
•       1b1) The Medic that protected BloodyC0bbler was Roffles.
  
•       1b2) The Medic that protected BloodyC0bbler was the other Medic (not Roffles).
  
• 1c) BloodyC0bbler is a Veteran and was protected by a Medic.
  

And the same follows if Jayme/Roffles were targeted by the Vigilante and BloodyC0bbler was hit by the Mafia.

However, BloodyC0bbler could be faking the hit, and he would only do that if he were Mafia. This is easily remediable if the Vigilante who fired the shot steps up and says who he shot. We can get a semi-confirm if we lynch that Vigilante, and it's even easier for us if more than one Vigilante claims.

There is no reason for the Vigilante not to step up at this point. Doing so is anti-town and denies us further information we so desperately need.

So where do we go from here?
Unfortunately, we still have not much from Day 2 to go for. We could test our two remaining lynch candidates, Subversion and Chaoser, or we could go even further and look at BrownBear, who dropped off the list early.

If 1a) is true, then we wasted our Veteran's extra life. The trick here is hoping that our Detectives checked him. There is a viable chance that BloodyC0bbler is Godfather since he is one of the "key" players in this Mafia game, but I can WiFOM a "why" or "why not" out of it. If a Detective checked him, it might be the time to speak out in the thread, or at least use his circle (if BloodyC0bbler is Godfather, then the Detective should have a mouth) or use his Night 1 Check to announce it. Actually, it's best if the Detective Mouth announces it, unless it was a Medic. If the mouth (mouth = result of Night 1 Check, again) is a Medic, then the Detective himself should step up, since the Medic can save him/her. Regardless, if a Detective checked BloodyC0bbler, we need you to step up and give the town some information. Staying quiet is NOT the answer anymore. If BloodyC0bbler was the Godfather, chances are he took the Townie role, since the number of roles is not undisclosed this game. If a Detective role checked and it came back blue, in my eyes that lessens the threat of Godfather-BC considerably. Less likely is the Veteran role, but once again we know there are only two real Veterans in the game.

If 1b1): We're out of luck here. If Roffles died, he can no longer confirm if he protected or not. At this point, we only have the other Medic. This is a bad scenario for us, since the town as an aggregate will not get much information. The only other person who knows if the other Medic, since he/she will not have protected BloodyC0bbler. And in the case of both protecting (unlikely) then the situation is easier. Return to my explanation of how Scenario 1A) should be dealt with, since we have no way of knowing if BloodyC0bbler is the Godfather or not. If we had no conclusive checks, refer to the solution for 1b2).

If 1b2): It is still risky for Medic to reveal himself/herself to BloodyC0bbler, but we might have to take a gamble of faith. Far better is it for the Vigilante to claim in thread, and the Vigilante and Medic find each other through PMs. This is our consolation prize here, since we will be able to start a town circle at least.

If Jayme/Roffles were hit by a Vigilante. In that case, we NEED the Vigilante to claim and explain himself. If this is the case, then BloodyC0bbler was hit by Mafia and therefore he is a confirmed townsperson, since Mafia cannot hit their own. The exception to this case is if BloodyC0bbler is faking, and the Mafia had targeted Roffles/Jayme and hits overlapped. In that case, generally the scenario is whoever sent in the kill order first gets the kill and if the Mafia get it in first, the Vigilante gets his kill refunded. It is not detailed in the Original Post, but other games I have read it follows as such. Another way these things are usually resolved is that the blue actions go out before Mafia actions do, and then Mafia have to repick. In that case, it's still relatively easy to catch BloodyC0bbler for lying since the Vigilante should either know his kill went through or told it was refunded. If we have a scenario where the Vigilante got his kill through, then either BloodyC0bbler was hit by Mafia or is lying. And if he is town, there is no point in lying.

TL;DR: There is no TL;DR. Town is in a bad situation right now and by skipping this informative post you will be helping the Mafia win. Please read it.

My thoughts on this: a weekend is coming up. This next day cycle will be played out mostly on Friday and Saturday. From the thread, we see that BloodyC0bber is playing mostly after work, but most people do not work on weekends. From past games, he is fully capable of stepping his own game up, and Mafia were afraid. Of course, it's just as likely that somebody is trying to be a hero (Never do this Vigilantes, since your Town-sided KP is very precious later in the game when numbers are too low for voting) and tried to kill BloodyC0bbler. From his posts, BloodyC0bbler is not anti-town; in fact he has made the most pro-town post that was unfortunately mostly ignored by the flaming and spamming. If you have not yet done so, go back and review this post.

Too much to think about right now, and I'm really tired. I have to entertain house guests this weekend, so my activity will be limited. As for now, good night folks.

On July 23 2010 16:38 Protactinium wrote:
Wow... uh... words cannot express how sad I am that my hour and some minutes spent writing that post just went to waste.

Still, read it anyway. I don't think Tricode is lying (though why would you target somebody you want to remain alive?) but just in case...

Good night town.

##Vote: Abstain
##Vote: Double Lynch

On July 24 2010 01:50 Protactinium wrote:
Just because Tricode is willing to die doesn't mean we should let him. Even though if he is a powerless Vigilante at this point, knowingly offing him (even when he wants to) is just wasting another townsperson's life. In a similar vein, it is not good to lynch BloodyC0bbler just to test this. Some of you have brought up the scenario where both Tricode and BloodyC0bbler are lying (both Mafia), though that would be an insanely stupid plot that relies on WIFOM whispering to us "...are Mafia really that bold?"

Regardless, what I propose is this:

We have Tricode who is willing to sacrifice himself, both so he can get out of the game and so that he can help the town gain information with his death. However, the objective of our Day Phase is to eliminate Mafia. We have already lost one of our Kill Power roles, and though the other one is still out there that means we've effectively lost one day's worth of time to root out the Mafia. We still have not yet heard anything back from Detectives, but if a Detective checked back somebody who was red then obviously, that's a lynch right there. Some of you seem to be building cases as well, and perhaps that will help us net a red as well.

If, like on Day 2, it comes down to (plausibly) all suitable lynch candidates being town-aligned (though we still do not know about Subversion or Chaoser) we lynch Tricode since he is our backup, though only if no seriously plausible candidate is found. I'm not talking about your "I have a grudge against him or he made one silly comment" kind of deal, but a very powerful case.

It's just an idea, so it's open for discussion. How does that sound?

On July 24 2010 01:55 Protactinium wrote:

There's nothing to gain from this for the Mafia except for confusion. As it's already been said, at most one of them can be Godfather. It's a huge risk right there to assume neither of them have been checked in the four checks total. Even if that goes through, what do they gain? They don't cast suspicion on anybody in the town. Even so, as already pointed out lynching the one who claims Vigilante does not tell us anything about the person claiming to have taken the shot. I don't see a plausible reason why Mafia would do this, since even if both are not lynched today, there's nothing they can do about Detective checks in the night, and at that point the Suicide Bomber would have to kill one of his Mafia buddies for the "two-fer."

Ah, I just thought about how the suicide bomber plays into all of this. Will think about it because it can potentially change the "why" and "what has to be done", but guests have arrived. Toodles for the day.

On July 24 2010 14:36 Protactinium wrote:
Well, guests are finally asleep.
But Proleague is on, and apparently I just missed an amazing game. There's a lot to think about with citi.zen's claim. I'm tempted to trust it because it sounds amazing, but it is a do-or-die kind of situation we're in right now. If citi.zen and his Detective are legitimate, then Mafia is in a huge bind. It seems nice, but I don't get the part where citi.zen wants blues to mass roleclaim to him? Not a good idea to concentrate everything on one person, especially since he isn't really confirmed to us himself.

Initially, I really disliked this idea because of the implications if citi.zen and company were faking. Even if a fake is counter-claimed, if mouths have already spilled their information trading one red for one or two Detectives (both may claim separately) is a huge profit for Mafia, since with that way there's no way for town to convincingly figure out who is Mafia.

However, upon thinking about it the idea seems good--if the time limits are followed. However, the original plan did not include this, so it may already be too late. If Detectives held off for that time period though, we should be okay.

On July 25 2010 08:01 Protactinium wrote:
It's been too hard to keep up today for the little amount of time I have. tree.hugger I think has said it best.

##Vote citi.zen

I never stopped to think about how BloodyC0bbler and Tricode could be orchestrating this though. Definitely need to watch for them tomorrow, since with two hours left it's hard to get anything solid.

Time to go continue making dumplings; will hopefully be back around thirty minutes before deadline.