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i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled
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On July 29 2010 15:40 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 15:31 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 15:27 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 15:26 Protactinium wrote:On July 29 2010 15:16 Divinek wrote:
ohh pandain this i do REALLY want to know
proct told you sub is DT
why did proct tell you? no way in hell you were confirmed so either you're lying or proct is a retard Firstly, I needed his vote off of Subversion. He was thinking of voting Subversion at the time, and it is no good to have a Detective lynched. In doing so, I also thought of a gambit: If Subversion was Detective and Pandain was "let into the circle", if Subversion died then Pandain was at fault. Town, early on, should always be willing to trade a Detective for a Mafia, especially in this format where having one dead Detective means making it that much easier to sort through counter-claims. I am not mentally retarded, as you are half-way implying Divinek. Please do not call me so. Lol wtf trade Mafia for Detective early game? Really? Okay I can't ignore this. This is possibly the dirtiest post in the history of Mafia. I can't get over how you said you would trade a Detective for a Mafia as if that was a good thing. I don't know whether or not this is attributed to you simply not understanding the role of DT or you trying to excuse your actions as Mafia. Either way, this post warrants a FoS. Are you joking? You find Mafia, you get them lynched. Mafia thrive on information, and Detectives do not live forever. The chance of finding Mafia early on is slim; yes, the chance of Detectives getting hit is also a small number on top of a large number, but that's assuming you have good Detectives who can dodge snipings. When I learned to play Mafia, I was always drilled with the lesson that a Detective for a Mafia is good, and as I already said this setup is conducive to trading blues for reds. You already have the numbers. If somebody false claims Detective, like has been done this game, you can more easily counter-claim if there's one Detective, not two. Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 15:31 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:26 Protactinium wrote:On July 29 2010 15:16 Divinek wrote:
ohh pandain this i do REALLY want to know
proct told you sub is DT
why did proct tell you? no way in hell you were confirmed so either you're lying or proct is a retard Firstly, I needed his vote off of Subversion. He was thinking of voting Subversion at the time, and it is no good to have a Detective lynched. In doing so, I also thought of a gambit: If Subversion was Detective and Pandain was "let into the circle", if Subversion died then Pandain was at fault. Town, early on, should always be willing to trade a Detective for a Mafia, especially in this format where having one dead Detective means making it that much easier to sort through counter-claims. I am not mentally retarded, as you are half-way implying Divinek. Please do not call me so. i wasnt half way implying it i was straight up saying it, and no trading them early is terrible it is fine as the game progresses and we have more info to go off of, but early game dt checks are the only solid info town has. cause if you throw your first dt to the sharks, you have to god damn well pray mafia doesnt hit the next one with their two kp a night In a normal setup Mafia would have 3 KP with 6 Mafia members. Factor that into your calculations when you think about how efficient this Mafia has been at sniping blue numbers, and even moreso when you factor in the fact that your Detective has fears he may have checked the Godfather Night 1. You swap a Mafia member for a Detective night 2 in this setup. You get a confirmed townie, a Mafia member outed, and any possible "defense" happens on there. Besides, I was working to save the Detective from getting lynched. Let's not forget what happened Day 2 when Subversion's head was on the chopping block. Think about it from the Mafia's perspective as well: that early in the game, one town member out of 24 is not worth trading for 1/6th of their team. Town circles form, but town circles are easily broken into.
There's no choice for me but to bang my head on my desk.
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pandain also sent me two really random pm's which i find odd, but that's the way he's been acting all game though i suppose that comes with being 14. (they said something like he thought i was dt and he's sad bm is asleep cuz im lazy to copy paste)
also pandain when you read this again
stop trying to defend yourself and help us find someone else to lynch in the future + today, you're already going to be hung
the longer you try to defend yourself when you KNOW we have to kill you (i mean put yourself in our shoes, or put a reasonable player in our shoes at least), it does actually make you look worse because you arent being productive at all if you're red
and it doesnt help the town at all after you're dead, all we have is this pile of defense of pandain, the guy who dt checked red and we knew we had to kill
nothing to help us long term, ya dig?
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Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one.
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On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one.
please consider misder also!
though i think both of your above are very good options as well
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On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled
To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective.
At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature."
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On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well
Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well.
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On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well.
I guess I should take a look at misder; all I have thought about him so far this game is that he helped me get DTA lynched.
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On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well.
Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now.
Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose.
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On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose.
I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link.
On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature."
Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well...
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On July 29 2010 16:33 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link. Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature." Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well...
post PMs please
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On July 29 2010 16:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 16:33 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link. On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature." Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well... post PMs please
Does anybody actually read the stuff I post??  Here they are I put them up earlier when Pandain requested them here is the Link
Also I wanted to respond to the last part of this.
On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose.
I didn't lie, I merely passed on the information I believed to be correct. This game we have seen BloodyC0bbler, Zeks, Citi.zen, Pandain, SouthRawea, and Subversion all lie and it has caused us no end of trouble.
In fact you also came forward without a DT because you were lied to as well. This is why you lynch all liars.
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On July 29 2010 17:08 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 16:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 29 2010 16:33 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link. On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature." Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well... post PMs please Does anybody actually read the stuff I post?? Here they are I put them up earlier when Pandain requested them here is the LinkAlso I wanted to respond to the last part of this. Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I didn't lie, I merely passed on the information I believed to be correct. This game we have seen BloodyC0bbler, Zeks, Citi.zen, Pandain, SouthRawea, and Subversion all lie and it has caused us no end of trouble. In fact you also came forward without a DT because you were lied to as well. This is why you lynch all liars.
You know what's funny, I don't believe BC false claimed to you. I believe you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass after you saw that you were in a tight spot because your DT claim went wrong. You saw the BC and SouthRawrea were both royally fucked and you knew bussing them was the obvious way to go. So instead of simply bussing them like a normal person, you pinned BC for your fake DT claim. Notice how he doesn't respond?
##Unvote Chaoser
##Vote rastaban
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On July 29 2010 17:19 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 17:08 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 16:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 29 2010 16:33 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link. On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature." Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well... post PMs please Does anybody actually read the stuff I post?? Here they are I put them up earlier when Pandain requested them here is the LinkAlso I wanted to respond to the last part of this. On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I didn't lie, I merely passed on the information I believed to be correct. This game we have seen BloodyC0bbler, Zeks, Citi.zen, Pandain, SouthRawea, and Subversion all lie and it has caused us no end of trouble. In fact you also came forward without a DT because you were lied to as well. This is why you lynch all liars. You know what's funny, I don't believe BC false claimed to you. I believe you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass after you saw that you were in a tight spot because your DT claim went wrong. You saw the BC and SouthRawrea were both royally fucked and you knew bussing them was the obvious way to go. So instead of simply bussing them like a normal person, you pinned BC for your fake DT claim. Notice how he doesn't respond? ##Unvote Chaoser
##Vote rastaban
What you are saying doesn't make sense because as you just said the bussing does invite scrutiny. Why would mafia risk another player, when they didn't have to? Also if the mafia was going to risk a player it would be the IT, as he wouldn't have needed to claim anyone as a DT. Remember you were in the same situation I was in, being lied to by someone claiming DT, should we be voting you.
Also why would he have responded? You expect the mafia to admit to lying, wow that sure would make mafia a lot easier. He would have been more likely to try and get you to believe he had sent them if he was mafia. In fact ignoring them makes them more legitimate because he know he couldn't defend against them. Of course, that gets into WIFOM so take it for what it is worth.
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On July 29 2010 17:19 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 17:08 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 16:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 29 2010 16:33 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I posted the answer a while ago, here is the link. On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature." Looks like I may need to check D3's posts as well... post PMs please Does anybody actually read the stuff I post?? Here they are I put them up earlier when Pandain requested them here is the LinkAlso I wanted to respond to the last part of this. On July 29 2010 16:10 youngminii wrote:On July 29 2010 16:02 rastaban wrote:On July 29 2010 15:59 Divinek wrote:On July 29 2010 15:54 rastaban wrote:
Uhg, just caught up, that was a horrible night. At least my read on Bumatlarge was correct.
I agree that Pandain is the way to go for our first vote, but I will hold off voting for him to see what defense he has. Really though I don't see how any argument would make it worth the risk of keeping a red alive, especially since we can drop their KP to 1 if we get one more.
Now who should we look at for the second lynch? So far Chaoser and Tree have both been put forth. I think I will go back through there posts and see if I can get a read on either one. please consider misder also! though i think both of your above are very good options as well Your right, I had forgotten he was listed as well. He seems to have been pretty quiet as well. Oh yeah I've been meaning to ask this for a while now. Why did you claim you had a DT ages back? That was obviously a lie with no good purpose. I didn't lie, I merely passed on the information I believed to be correct. This game we have seen BloodyC0bbler, Zeks, Citi.zen, Pandain, SouthRawea, and Subversion all lie and it has caused us no end of trouble. In fact you also came forward without a DT because you were lied to as well. This is why you lynch all liars. You know what's funny, I don't believe BC false claimed to you. I believe you're scum and you pulled that out of your ass after you saw that you were in a tight spot because your DT claim went wrong. You saw the BC and SouthRawrea were both royally fucked and you knew bussing them was the obvious way to go. So instead of simply bussing them like a normal person, you pinned BC for your fake DT claim. Notice how he doesn't respond? ##Unvote Chaoser
##Vote rastaban
The PMs do seem like BC to me, but if rastaban is red then BC would obviously be writing them anyway even though they are "fake". I know BC when red likes to use nooby innocents as mouths to hide his influence so it is plausible. But that doesn't really help us because if rastaban is red it would look the same way.
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I expected you to respond differently, I was just checking your reaction to a bit of pressure. Still, I think there's quite a possibility you're mafia so I'll just leave my vote on you. Not expecting people to follow through though, we'll probably see tree.hugger or chaoser lynched and that's fine by me.
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vote count:
1] Pandain (youngminii)
1] rastaban (youngminii)
1] misder (divinek)
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Okay, I'm going to catch up more fully with the day in a little bit after I wake up, which will be after I go to sleep, which will be after the MSL. But I just wanted to remark how funny it was that literally all the players I had playing 'on a team' at the beginning, and thus on my suspicion list, were DT's and their fellow rolechecks. Except BC. I did get him right.
We agreed upon Pandain right? I'll check Rastaban later, but he's probably scum.
And thank god Infund was a townie, because I was pretty sure, but not 100% I could trust you. gg man.
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gg i promise its not my fault.
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On July 29 2010 14:22 Divinek wrote:
d3 is not confirmed in any way unless i missed the part where he got dt checked
I am confirmed 100%. I got targeted Night 1 and was successfully protected by Siniquity. As you may recall, Vigis cannot shoot on Night 1, and mafia can't target themselves either, so this medic protect PM in my inbox makes me town. It's entirely possible that Foolishness got double-stacked and I'm faking it, but unfortunately Siniquity/Zeks are no longer around to back me up on this, as they were the only others that knew as far as I know.
On July 29 2010 16:01 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2010 15:50 Divinek wrote:
i see what you're saying and in a situation where there was 3kp a night it seems more reasonable to do it early, but to only have 1 dt after night 1 can get pretty painful(especially with suicide bomber as he can never go public). But i suppose this game shouldnt be the best example as our blues have been getting rollled To be honest, when I was thinking about this through since it was a clutch situation in trying to keep Subversion from being lynched, I left the Suicide Bomber out of all my calculations. Still though, I've always been taught it's best to target Mafia early on, since that at least forces them to defend themselves / have their teammates help defend them, which is what brought SouthRawrea and BloodyC0bbler out in this game. With 2 KP Mafia is still deadly, since Medics are pretty ineffective. At this point, I remember something: d3_crescentia, you said you were protected by a Medic night 1. However, Night 3 only one person (Subversion) died and nobody claimed a hit. I'm assuming a double stack. However, if you were hit and protected then you're as good as town confirmed, since no Vigilante tried to hit you (why would they night 1)? After that, as a focal town player you should have been forming circles. I'm not saying you haven't, but why haven't you been posting other than here and there? And if you had a circle, logically it should have included some people in it. Maybe I'm being completely played by PM Land, but it seems you've been too quiet for somebody of your "stature."
I don't trust anyone this game given the amount of BS lying that was flying around. Creating a townie circle is only a good idea when everyone is trusted - i.e. myself and Siniquity. Others have tried to PM me. Xelin claimed DT to me after Night 1; but since checked lists started to float around only last night I didn't have a strong enough reason to suspect him. Tree.hugger's been noticeably silent in PM land as well; he claimed Townie to me Night 1. I haven't given them shit for information.
In the meantime, Divinek PM'd me after BC's fake-claim asking me if I wanted to start a PM circle with him and BC. Since I know super secret awesome things I'll take him for his word and trust he's town, but I'll have to keep him in mind for the future.
##vote: Pandain
##vote: rastaban
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