EPTTL Mafia XXVIII - Page 37
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:35 BrownBear wrote: Not what I meant. What I meant was, if I stop making a bunch of shitty posts and play like the townie that I am, and people decide to lynch me anyway, they aren't playing well. Learn to read before jumping on people under suspicion, it really doesn't help their case. Note the bolded part. Hmmm.... seems just a bit reaching for straws there. Just doesn't sound right. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
There was just so much to read! As for now, I find BrownBear's ideas are unhelpful. Wanting to have our vets reveal themselves. Might be a good plan for other circumstances, but in your one and only example that you gave where your scenario worked, you seemed to have some godly player who was just able to survive for once. That doesn't mean that same scenario can apply here (no offense to you vets). Also this doesn't take the heat off BrownBear for his posts earlier and inactivity especially how BB voted. It seems like you just analyzed a situation real quick came up with a game plan to throw people off your back. I feel you are a better player then how you are presenting yourself this game and I will be awaiting to see more of your responses before making a vote. Also a few of you seem to be causing annoying chaos. I would keep an eye on these people. They could possibly be a mafia member who are trying to be active, but just annoying enough to act like a stupid townie and cause confusion. Like DTA (though he could just think acting like this would keep him alive in the game for what ever purposes he has in mind, even just being a townie that just wants to avoid mafia attention). For w/e reason (I'm desperately looking for a job/Real life shit/ video games) if I am absent for the time being I will vote for BB for how odd he is so far in this game with inactivity, his vote, his suggestion that seems to only distract attention from him, what others have pointed out about him, and I feel he hasn't portrayed himself in this game like he did in the last game I played with him where he had more of a dominate presence that helped the town. My vote will change if there is a better candidate. ##Vote BrownBear | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On July 21 2010 02:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Good catch, subversion not only makes a weird line Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. but also the bit about the hyperbola vote. Consider he is implying the chances of one - two reds in there, and cast the deciding vote to get hyper lynched. Add in then his "praise" of the mafia, seems he's either really good at slipups or really good at appearing scummy as town. I'd like to point this out yet again. Subversion has more pointing at him this game than anyone else, and it'd not even close. BrownBear isn't playing well, but he's not playing like mafia. Doesn't mean he isn't, but he hasn't said anything close to a tell so far. Meanwhile, Subversion not only cast a highly suspect last-minute vote on a player who really had nothing against him, but he also slipped in the gem quoted above, which, as far as I can tell, has never been said by an innocent townie in the entire history of time. Does he have to roleclaim to get us all to lynch him? Stop pulling a Hyperbola on BrownBear and go lynch the mafia. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
I know it may put FoS on me, but what would it benefit me to go out and protect him if we were both scum? Pray everyone blindly follows us and hope DTs dont check either of us? The votes on day1 dont help my point but lol,,, Hope to god he isnt red. Subversion looks scummy though you can lynch him all the way | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On July 21 2010 03:18 Misder wrote: Foolishness's posts interest me a lot. I'm not sure if he was targeted because of his posts or because he was active, but we can look at his posts. (these posts are in backward order>.< sorry.) + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 09:31 Foolishness wrote: You'd have an easier time if you look at lakrismamma or citi.zen If the mafia did target Foolishness for his posts, it seems to point fingers at lakrismamma or citi.zen. We can't be positive, but we can be suspicious, especially since most of Foolishness' posts are targeting citi.zen + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:30 Foolishness wrote: This isn't about me. This is about you. I gave reason for my actions. Where's your reasons on why you're acting "like Chezinu"? Most people are blind so let me spell it out for everyone. You're hiding something. It's clear that you're attitude is the result of the fact you know some information that you don't want everyone else to know. That means you're blue or red. I'm sure I'm not the only one to figure this out, and if you're blue I bet a mafia member has figured this out. And if you don't have much to say/don't have the time to write it all out, go get yourself replaced. By the way, shoving arguments against me to try to divert attention off of yourself is terrible. You should know me well enough I'm just going to keep pressuring you until you claim or until I get 75% of the town to vote for you. If you want me off your back, all you got to do is point out how someone else is obviously mafia and you're not. I mean, all you had to do there was say "I'm not mafia, citizen is clearly mafia, look at his posts; clearly scum". And if you were somewhat serious about it I'd totally divert attention off of you since citizen is such an easy kill for the town. Here, we see Foolishness attack DTA. DTA has been acting very very weird, and I agree with Foolishness about DTA hiding something. The mafia may be scared of Foolishness because of his attacks on fellow mafia members. This points fingers to DTA. Also, Foolishness makes it clear that citi.zen is a target for lynching, and that DTA could have pointed fingers to him. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:12 Foolishness wrote: I do appreciate you making it easy for all of us on who to vote for as soon as day starts. Mafia have probably sent in their hits already. Just claim now. The earlier the better. More assertiveness. Very scary for the mafia. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:05 Foolishness wrote: You might as well just roleclaim whatever blue role you have to the town. I mean, if the mafia don't kill you tonight they are either stupid or you are in fact mafia. If you aren't dead after night then you should be top priority for lynch. Of course, you could just actually act normal and help us out to save you a bunch of trouble. More attacks on DTA. I feel that this is an important quote, considering that the mafia didn't target DTA this night. + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 08:02 Foolishness wrote: The ordered by player list doesn't help for anything. The only thing that's useful out of these lists is tracking the changes of who was ahead in the voting and how they got ahead. For instance, youngminii was ahead in votes at some point (I believe), looking at who were the people that pushed Hyperbola over is what's important. You also need the timestamps of when these votes happen, in order to confirm if there was a mafia pushover. It's been said before, mafia spread out their votes as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if there was only 1 mafia in the votes for youngminii and hyperbola combined. The only exception to this is if a mafia was about to be lynched, as the team would try to save that person. That's what we need to look out for. People already talked about this. That means we are on the right track. ##Vote: DarthThienAn because of his weird behavior and bring confusion. If he is a blue role or a townie, then he will need to defend himself in order to actually help the town. If he is a mafia, good. Let's not let this get lost in the shuffle. Red or confused green, I don't think BrownBear is much of a threat right now. From what I gather, DarthTheinAn is usually a pretty high profile player (won mayor two games ago). This game he is playing obstinate/quiet. When DTA was red mayor two games ago, "Darth was also an excellent mafia player, managing to sweep his way into office on day 1, but he did overstep his boundaries just a little bit on the last day, and his position as mayor actually worked against him as he was under intense scrutiny, which led to his downfall." Source for that is BrownBear, btw, so... take that into account however you will. But it seems to me if DTA was red this game he'd be trying to take a lower profile this time around. Some of this is [url=http://www.sirlin.net/articles/balancing-multiplayer-games-part-4-intuition.html]intuition, which I usually don't rely on, but BrownBear strikes me as town and reminds me of RedTooth in a game where I got him killed for similar behavior (I was red that game  ). Meanwhile, DTA is clearly taking a low profile. From a player that is usually talkative, this usually means blue / red. I laid that on DTA day 1 and on Foolishness as well. Foolishness did make a bigger post towards the end of the day, but still seemed blue/red to me, and I imagine this was part of the hit reasoning (plus Foolishness is a good veteran player [whose first game was ran by me :D]).Now you may think that it is too obvious for the mafia to kill off someone who publicly calls them out. It's not. It's good strategy. In fact, I myself killed off Foolishness in a game I won because he was one of the few suspicious of me. If someone suspects you, they won't magically think you're innocent if you let them survive the night. People's heuristics for determining who they will vote for don't tend to shift too wildly over the course of a game. Even if people make a mistaken vote early, they will tend to justify it ex post facto and perhaps continue it (maybe what I'm doing here, but I think I have some good logic to back up my gut feeling). If you are mafia, and a member is getting 3rd/4th place in votes, even with just a couple, that member could be in 1st a few days later. By killing off the people who are suspicious of you, even if their reasons suck, you get talked about less and you literally shave off your vote total. It's not too bad of a strategy to just play whack-a-mole going after all your public detractors because you can always just say you're getting framed. I've been there, done that. I think Foolishness is right on that DTA would have been an obvious blue-snipe target. I'm not sure why D3crescentia might have been hit; he didn't stick out to me. I'm not familiar with him, though I've been out of the loop for a while and BC called him a top player. Finally, the Chezinu-style (constant trolling) play always strikes me as red. Maybe it's because I've been on multiple red teams with Chez, but, if you're trying to help the town, it usually pays to actually do so. ##Vote DarthTheinAn Also, the case against Subversion seems really good to me, too. I'm voting DTA first because DTA already has votes against him and DTA would seem to be the better brain to pluck from the Mafia Think Tank if they are indeed both red. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote: Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting  youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this.##Vote DarthThienAn "youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather" Ironic, no? On July 20 2010 23:58 zeks wrote: i'm more inclined to believe d3 is town from a medic claim than a vet claim if he false claims medic protection, medics would know whats up immediately. if he claims vet there could be the slight possibility of: mafia sends in 1 hit, d3 claims vet tricks us all into thinking he got hit and infiltrates town circles. regardless i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that mafia didn't pull off what i said above. ##Vote DarthThienAn You're playing way out of your normal character, and you're no Bill Murray. Either you're scum or trying too hard to not get hit by being abnoxious. Great reason to vote for me. And my normal character is mafia, am I right? Why don't you try voting for someone who's actually suspicious of being mafia, or someone whose play has been crap this game so far for no reason (BrownBear). | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
While DTA is my top concern, the more I read into subversion, the more obvious it seems, and as treehugger mentioned, that mafia mistake quote day1 is really wtf. I dont think anyone has the balls to say that. Ill have to make sure to say that next game XD | ||
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citi.zen
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 21 2010 05:17 bumatlarge wrote: Maybe if you and BB switched places Id believe you. Time to switch into the darth I know buddy While DTA is my top concern, the more I read into subversion, the more obvious it seems, and as treehugger mentioned, that mafia mistake quote day1 is really wtf. I dont think anyone has the balls to say that. Ill have to make sure to say that next game XD You'll find him. Again, I'll say that I have said more than half the people - maybe a third now - in this game. Is it so wrong that I choose to have some fun in between? unvote ##Vote: Subversion | ||
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On July 20 2010 14:03 tree.hugger wrote: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I have never, ever seen a townie say something like this. So narcissistic you had to complement yourself? GG. Also this I don't get. So what? He's just noting that maybe the mafia aren't making too many mistakes. I'll say this again, I'm new here, but this definitely doesn't seem like it would prove Subversasion is mafia. Please explain this to me. I mean, we haven't caught any mafia yet(for sure at least), so it's not like his statement is false. And even if it was, why does that make him mafia? I am so confused. Please elaborate. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On July 18 2010 18:20 Subversion wrote: Hey guys, sorry for inactivity, been at the Boryeong Mud Festival! Gonna try catch up On July 18 2010 18:27 Subversion wrote: Cool, been looking over everything. Some interesting stuff happening for the first day. Gonna go over it a little more carefully before casting my vote. Want to see how some people defend themselves, and don't really just want to jump on a voting bandwagon. Also, abstaining is kind of stupid. Will vote later tonight. All of this is useless except for the bolded sentence. + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote: ##Vote: Hyperbola Not really convinced by him, and there's not really any other clear choice for me right now. Jumps on the bandwagon despite what he said in his 2nd post... ...lol + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote: Hey man, congratulations, that's really exciting news Wish you all the best On point, I was also in agreement about the weirdness of Foolishness's post, but now he's dead. Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes. Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. Bolded: I don't fully understand the first sentence. The second sentence has been discussed. The rest: He was PART of that voting bloc LOL. I guess that's why he's trying to suggest that he's a townie. The chance of a mafia being there.. it's all pretty obvious. 6/30 players are mafia, a group of 6 or 7? Sure, there's probably 1 or 2 mafia in there. On July 21 2010 05:35 Pandain wrote: Also this I don't get. So what? He's just noting that maybe the mafia aren't making too many mistakes. I'll say this again, I'm new here, but this definitely doesn't seem like it would prove Subversasion is mafia. Please explain this to me. I mean, we haven't caught any mafia yet(for sure at least), so it's not like his statement is false. And even if it was, why does that make him mafia? I am so confused. Please elaborate. Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
So far the votes have been Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59 DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59 tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03 DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34 d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50 Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15 bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59 ~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01 rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59 Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18 Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02 Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57 bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25 DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30 End result: BrownBear - 5 DarthThienAn - 3 Subversion - 3 | ||
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Pandain
United States12979 Posts
On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote: Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler + If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote: Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler + If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out. Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection. What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left. ##vote Subversion | ||
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. Oh well. 
