EPTdespite the cussing there were some good arguments.
I really don't mind it.
Carry on...
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
despite the cussing there were some good arguments. I really don't mind it. Carry on... | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On June 25 2010 08:24 Radfield wrote: Somehow I accidentally posted. That last paragraph should read: I get a similar read from AFJ as from Jayme, not necessarily pro-town at this point, but no scum tells. Although with added meaningless posts that sum up and comment on what's happening. I'd like to see more of the content rich posts from AFJ, and less of the contentless posts. Again, we'll see if the quality can remain high. what the hell does that even mean, not pro-town but no scum tells? last i checked, if you're not pro-town, you're scum. anyway, i am looking at elyas as a lynch candidate right now. its pretty simple analysis: most of his 'big' posts show 3 things: -he plays the "im new" card -he restates what is going on -he does not take a definitive stance on anything hi mafia. | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
johnnyspazz Notable posts: #102: nominates YI for MoM before YI posts {next few} responds to questions/statements regarding setup with simple answers #254: states he will vote for amber because he think amber is blue #259: wants amber for MoM and YI for pardoner #260: expresses that he doesn't want radfield to be pardoner #329: criticizes abenson for posting weak analysis #338: more discussion about obvious rules, hypothesizes that there is a 3rd party serial killer that made the 2nd kill last night Connected to: strongly to YellowInk, mildly to amber Comments: johnnyspazz has focused most of his effort towards responding to inquiries about rules, and discussing minor points without really contributing to overall town strategy. This is the sort of thing you see with people who want to make the appearance of actively contributing to the town while really not doing so in a significant way, but it's also the sort of thing you see with semi active townies. He was also a supporter of YI being elected for pardoner, which is rather strange -- combined with the random people that jumped on the YI bandwagon towards the end of the voting, he's looking a tad suspicious. On the other hand, when it was looking very close at the end of the voting, johnnyspazz did not change his vote from amber to YI -- this doesn't really add up in either the case he's mafia supporting the mafioso YI or if he's townie, so I'm rather confused by that. Care to explain, johnnyspazz? I'm about 50/50 on him, no read either way as of yet. YellowInk Notable posts: {First 5 or 6} Before roles were sent out, he commented thoughtfully on the setup of the game to make it balanced. ROLES SENT OUT #186-189: more discussion on balance, asks BM to post his scattered addendum to the rules in the OP #229: asks not to be rolechecked by detectives so as to not waste them, says he feels confident in defending himself later on if he becomes a serious suspect. also softclaims blue and guns for an elected position. half asks for medic protection but says he doesn't want multiple people protecting him. #248: criticizes inactives #255: says he'd lynch DCLXVI if he was elected MoM, doesn't like amber/radfield running "together", later cites this as his reason for running for MoM #364: more criticizing of inactives Connected to: Mildly: ~Opz~ (responded to opz asking for DCLXVI to be lynched to further his campaign) Comments: I already discussed Yi briefly a few posts ago in response to Opz's criticism of him, but I'll start from scratch here in order to put things into proper context. This is definitely not the YI from mafia XVI. I don't know for sure whether he's busier now, laying (semi) low with a powerful blue role, or mafia. Honestly, he was more active before the game started! He may well be spending the time he spent in XVI and right before this game started discussing detailed plans with mafia. If nothing else, it's hypocritical to stomp in and criticize inactives while at the same time not contributing much yourself (he had only 2 posts of real substance that I saw after the game started). Now the things that really make me suspicious of him are: --he gunned for an elected position, mostly supported by random people who didn't justify their votes. --he soft claimed blue in the hope of garnering more votes, without actually revealing what he can do so he can't be held accountable later. I don't have a solid read on him, but I'm definitely leaning towards mafia. Thoughts? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Given that there is no posting at night, we need to start coming up with our plan for night actions well in advance. It's possible we'll even need to have two separate plans, one if the lynchee flips red, one if green, because we won't have a chance to talk after the lynch goes through. However, one plan will likely do for now. We likely still have another vig in the game(Moody?), probably 2 pseudo detectives, and we may still have a doctor(seem unlikely. who would it even be, Molly Weasley?). However, given the very prevalent use of Expelliarmus in the books, it seems likely that we have a number of roleblockers in the game. Ideally we can think up some way to avoid overlapping our roleblocking, or hitting townies. Hitting townies is unavoidable at this point though, and it's worth hitting townies to potentially roleblock a mafia. Hesmyrr had a strategy posted a few pages back to avoid overlap, and I think it a good one. For reference:+ Show Spoiler + I propose alternative plan. Below is the player list: Subversion Jugan stormtemplar Jayme acrossfivejulys johnnyspazz lakrismamma Radfield LuDwig- JeeJee Hesmyrr YellowInk ~OpZ~ zeks ~Roffles DCLXVI ElyAs Thegilaboy LaXerCannon Amber[LighT] Abenson The person with investigative powers in red tag investigate MoM The person with investigative powers in green tag investigate pardoner The person with investigative powers in blue tag investigate someone else. Much harder to counter, I think. We also likely have a few occlumens, but they're completely useless from a town perspective. It's possible that mafia could have access to Occlemency, but that would go quite contrary to the book, and also basically give mafia another Godfather. So the Occlumens are likely pro-town and hence are rather useless. They do however tell us one thing; the mafia almost certainly have access to legilimancy, What would the mafia need legilimancy for though? Blue sniping perhaps, but also perhaps to find Harry Potter so they can avoid killing him. Surely we all agree that the second Horcrux(Nagini being the first) is Harry. This means, that just like the book, harry has to die before Voldemort can be killed. However, my guess is that Harry is kind of a Super-Veteran, in that he has two lives, so even if he is lynched, he will probably still remain in the game. This fits perfectly with the lore, although it is possible that a Harry lynch would actually kill him, and that perhaps he needs to be the recipient of an Avada Kadavra or Mafia KP. Either way though, at some point harry will have to step up and out himself to be "killed" in order that we can kill Voldemort. However, the longer Harry remains hidden, the more likely it is that the mafia will accidentally "kill" him for us. So there is certainly no reason to roleclaim Harry unless Nagini is already dead and we have leads on Voldemort. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
what the hell does that even mean, not pro-town but no scum tells? last i checked, if you're not pro-town, you're scum. It means that at this point in the game it's very difficult to tell if someone is pro-town, as mafia should be playing pro-town. As the game goes on, you have more and more info to work with, and can get a more solid pro-town read on someone. But it IS possible to tell if someone is acting scummy at this point in the game. Basically, someone can be scummy after only a few posts, but it takes many posts to get the pro-town seal of approval. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
what the hell does that even mean, not pro-town but no scum tells? last i checked, if you're not pro-town, you're scum. go read team melee micro and read chezinu and i and you will understand there is a difference in being scum and being scummy | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On June 25 2010 06:48 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: because it gives death eaters an extremely easy way to hit blues, and is an even worse idea now that one of our doctors is dead. the benefit for the town is it might put death eaters into an awkward position having to choose names. Also note that masons will either be lying about their name or not claim at all and you have a messy situation to sort through for the town while death eaters are picking off blues! sounds like a wonderful idea to me. Why do you think the death eaters will know who the blues are? I would've never thought Charley Weasley would end up a green. Although I admit Madame Pomfrey made sense being a medic. If I'm not mistake a mason can confirm his status simply by PMing someone? And I think for the death eaters to choose names is way more dangerous than we think. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
subversion was banned for a week from TL.net | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 25 2010 09:30 zeks wrote: Why do you think the death eaters will know who the blues are? I would've never thought Charley Weasley would end up a green. Although I admit Madame Pomfrey made sense being a medic. If I'm not mistake a mason can confirm his status simply by PMing someone? And I think for the death eaters to choose names is way more dangerous than we think. Well, the revealed players up till now have all made sense pretty much. You had Madame Pomfrey, the medic, Kingsley Shacklebolt, an auror. Only made sense he'd be able to kill, as you need to be able to defend against the Death Eaters, so it only made sense he was a Vig. If we name claim, and someone name claims say Harry Potter, well it only makes sense that he has a spell. Same with say Dumbledore, and other important characters. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 25 2010 09:30 zeks wrote: Why do you think the death eaters will know who the blues are? I would've never thought Charley Weasley would end up a green. Although I admit Madame Pomfrey made sense being a medic. If I'm not mistake a mason can confirm his status simply by PMing someone? And I think for the death eaters to choose names is way more dangerous than we think. Reasons that nameclaiming is a bad thing: It's either outs Harry Potter or causes him to lie It does expose our blues: Moody, Tonks, Scrimgeor, Harry and Hermione are almost certainly blue roles if they're in the game. Kingsley and Pomfrey were obvious blues. Certain players are likely not blue(molly and ginny weasley, luna, anyone random from harry's year). While it doesn't guarantee to out the blues, it certianly gives mafia a lot of information Given that BM has stated he doesn't want this game to go the way of Caller's ROTK(which was broken because of name claiming) and given that the list of names has been removed, it seems very likely that he will provide the mafia with a safe list. Again, he stated he doesn't want name claiming breaking his game, and this is a sure fire way he can avoid it. This isn't a for sure, but it seems likely. I just don't see it as worth the risk. We probably have a lot of firepower on the town side, and as long as people get active, we should be able to direct it reasonably well. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
they have not posted in the past 24 hours. | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On June 25 2010 09:40 Roffles wrote: Well, the revealed players up till now have all made sense pretty much. You had Madame Pomfrey, the medic, Kingsley Shacklebolt, an auror. Only made sense he'd be able to kill, as you need to be able to defend against the Death Eaters, so it only made sense he was a Vig. If we name claim, and someone name claims say Harry Potter, well it only makes sense that he has a spell. Same with say Dumbledore, and other important characters. Agreed. Some of the characters would be giveaways if you are well versed in your HP lore, and then some of them would not. As a whole now, I'm not sure a mass nameclaim is the best course of action, as we have lost 2 blues in a flash. Sure we could hope that the mafia slip up on an inconstancy or the even more unlikely double name claim, but at this point it doesn't seem worth it. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On June 25 2010 09:48 Bill Murray wrote: prods going out to LuDwig, Jayme, and stormtemplar they have not posted in the past 24 hours. if they do not post in the next 24 hours I will replace them (or at least attempt to!) | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 25 2010 04:46 Jayme wrote | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 25 2010 09:29 Bill Murray wrote: go read team melee micro and read chezinu and i and you will understand there is a difference in being scum and being scummy lol or just read the last page, there's a whole discussion about this currently active. Trace back as needed. BM you playing in here too?  | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
Ludwig Recent Posts: + Show Spoiler + LOL there are none, what a shock! No seriously here's his last posts: On June 21 2010 20:08 LuDwig- wrote: Hello everyone and welcome to this game  I am going to read extenzevely the rules (it seems quite differetn from previous mafia game) Which is the role of a mayor? On June 22 2010 19:58 LuDwig- wrote: You forgot me i ahve posted little too but i have really some problems understanding how this game will works. I suppose that having so many roles make roleclaiming too difficult too manage. How can we understand if somebody is lying? :|However the post voting thread now is for mayor. I don't know if he's playing like an idiot or if his internet has been disconnected. I can't even find a recent post aside from those two ANYWHERE on the site. As far as activity goes his is the worst in this game. He needs to do something, but I guess his fates in BM's hands, not ours for now. Roffles: Posts of Interest: On June 22 2010 10:39 Roffles wrote: I'm personally on board with either Radfield or Amber[Light] as well. Both have seemed to reason out legitimate opinions, but not too farfetched ideas that could possibly lead to a massive landslide. I personally think a more conservative approach to things will lead to the safest play possible. As for Amber[Light]'s second approach, I think it's a decent one, only if everyone approaches it in the same manner. If you have a couple stragglers not on board, then everything goes down the drain, and huge casualties will occur. Side Note: Traitor screams Severus Snape. Lucius Malfoy has always been a Death Eater. Snape's intentions were never clear until the seventh book really. But we never know, cause we don't have a list. On board with the Amber/Radfield combo. On June 22 2010 12:10 Roffles wrote: You gonna save us all? Or are you just a puppet like Thicknesse was in Book 7? =O Anyways, name claiming sounds fine for now, but I fear it won't really do anything. There are a lot of obscure characters in HP that Mafia can nameclaim. But for now, it's better than nothing since they could slip and give an invalid character or one that's already occupied or whatnot. Like above, the discussion over name-claiming resulted in Roffles being for the plan. It's not really anything conclusive since at this point I still feel like it was a wishy-washy decision. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 00:38 Roffles wrote: I think we should be more focused right now upon mayoral elections and each plan going forth from here on out. Lynching can wait a day. First things first with these elections. I want to see platforms from both major candidates who are planning on pursuing MoM, and from there we can criticize each plan and make amends before jumping to conclusions without much substance. My one hesitation about this game is that there are a lot of random variables that we don't know about, such as which roles exist and which abilities exist, which makes planning from now on rather difficult to coordinate. But a general plan should be devised so we can work with a base. Btw, Abenson probably just needs a PM to get him kickstarted. Just keeping this post for reference... nothing really of substance... + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2010 05:48 Roffles wrote: What's with the edits? Anyways, since I missed voting thanks to Comcast, I'll pick out the last couple from the YI voters and give my opinions on them so I can try to see why they hopped on the YI board at the last second. Gonna start with Jugan + Show Spoiler [List of relevant posts by Jugan] + On June 24 2010 12:06 Jugan wrote: Perhaps only those with night actions know? For example say a medic saved someone, maybe only the medic, the death eater, and that person know. Only thing I picked up was a slight hint of him showing how the game mechanics work, as he hints that possibly only those with night actions know whether or not everyone with a night ability has performed it already. Actually, after further reading of his posts, I've come to the conclusion that he's pretty much Flamewheel 2.0, littering with a ton of irrelevant posts, such as "Damn, there goes my favorite Weasley"... Haven't seen anything useful from Jugan. Why'd he vote for YI? Not a fucking clue at all. Elyas 2nd game of Mafia. On board with sponsoring a mayor. Likes the aggressive playstyle of YI, voted because of one previous Mafia game with YI. Wants a rolecheck on MoM. Didn't like Amber or Radfield, so voted YI. Against inactives. From what I see of Elyas, his main logic of detecting mafia lies within the simple aspect of comparisons in between games. To see whether or not the posting quality dips, or any slight behavior don't correspond between the two games. However, as stated, this is only his second game of mafia, so whether or not he'll be able to pick up on the slight differences is highly questionable. From what I see, if Player X is Townie in game 1, there's no way he'll be able to know how said player is going to act in this game, even if he's a townie. Certain players have various approaches towards each game, and let's not even talk about if Player X is a mafia. Then there's absolutely no way he'll be able to draw a conclusion as to how that player is going to act this game. But to sum up what I've determined, I just find it highly suspicious of Jugan to hop on the YI train without any substance. If you sift through his previous posts, he gave absolutely no indication as to any affiliation whatsoever, but just voted for YI towards the end. I can sort of see why Elyas hopped on board with YI, but that might simply be because he knows YI's style from a previous game. Lack of reasoning behind the votes, and thus, we're still left in the dark. Thank you. I read the post but I'm really tired I need to go through all of the posts after today again tomorrow. Attitude Roffles.. Attitude lol... | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On June 25 2010 10:42 Amber[LighT] wrote: Okay after FINALLY getting power back after the fierce 20 minute thunderstorm (that uprooted half of the trees in my town lol) here we go. Hey we had a wicked storm yesterday that uprooted trees and everything around here as well. You in the Chicago land area? Probably not but worth a shot to see lol As for Ludwig, looks like the guy is going to get modkilled unfortunately.  He seems so incredibly out of the loop that it's almost not worth looking at him anymore, like you said | ||
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