EPTThe thing about your thoughts thing...I thought you had answered the question yourself by the way your post ended....Sry for the...many posts...
And it was Radfield, Zeks, and Roffles that interrupted the line of analysis!!
GRRR...
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
The thing about your thoughts thing...I thought you had answered the question yourself by the way your post ended....Sry for the...many posts... And it was Radfield, Zeks, and Roffles that interrupted the line of analysis!! GRRR... | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
johnnyspazz immediately pointed out that this was simple regurgitation of what has been said just three posts before. Although there are instances where people summarize up the current debate just for the player's convenience, I felt need to pay more attention to this just because the writer is Abenson- no disrespect to him. I have iso'd his post before and usually his post consist of effortless one-liners. In fact I believe this is the first post from Abenson that exceeds more than three sentences. So I looked at what he has done during this game: + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2010 05:03 Abenson wrote: Alright, I apologize for my inactivity for the past 2 days. I've finally finished all my exams, and I will be pretty much free now Once again, sorry for my inactivity On June 23 2010 05:08 Abenson wrote: Alright, caught up and ready to play. I'll try not to be a shitty player like I usually am On June 23 2010 07:46 Abenson wrote: Actually, I voted for Radfield mainly because he was pretty good in the past, and I was afraid of getting modkilled. Supports Radfield for his skills On June 23 2010 07:47 Abenson wrote: Press post by accident And also to kinda make sure he is 2nd On June 23 2010 10:03 Abenson wrote: Bah On June 23 2010 10:03 Abenson wrote: Actually, Yay. Since I probably would be the one to die if it hadn't been him On June 23 2010 10:05 Abenson wrote: But meh, we lynched one of us On June 24 2010 11:01 Abenson wrote: I would have to agree with johnny on that the 3rd party could be a serial killer. After carefully reading through the whole first post in the game, I realized that there are absolutely no clues telling us how many DE there are. In a 21 people game, 4 DE might be a viable setup. Therefore I think that we should not immediately assume how it amounted to 3 deaths in the few days. Anyways, here are the possibilities I see: 1) Serial Killer killed someone 2) A random night Vig killed (unlikely, vig rarely kills on night 1 because of the risk of killing someone important on your side) 3) DE has 2 KP On June 25 2010 03:53 Abenson wrote: *is desperately thinking of something helpful to write* Is it me or does the linked post stand out as pinnacle of light among the rest? I really do not like single post from him that actually contributes to the discussion in truth fails to introduces any new opinion from him at all. I suspect it could be attempt to delay his lynch by trying to seem active- either way, Abenson is good lynch candidate unless he cleans up his conduct soon (a.k.a. contribute something new to the discussion). I don't see what is up with all the debate about player on the same list & different list. Mafia is just going to choose to analyze the players that benefit their team the most either way. In fact, I expect their choice of players to iso will be important analysis material later on themselves when we start to learn alignment of some of these players. ~OpZ~ (June 25 2010 02:26) Wait wait wait, "I voted for him because I was uncertain of Radfield and didn't want Radfield to be pardoner. But YellowInk made a scummy post...In my eyes atleast. But he was going to lynch DC for me..."? First, all of the post you bring up as scummy had been posted before you made your YI vote. Looking at your analysis you seem to have pretty decent evidence not to trust YellowInk. To the contrary, your suspicion of Radfield seem to consist of your gut feeling, or at least you never bothered to bring up why you found him scummy. So at that time there was three candidates which could take pardoner position: Radfield, Roffles, and YellowInk. If you had reason to believe YellowInk so suspicious, why would you want him to take pardoner position over Radfield- someone you felt uncertain about but at least there was no material to justify such feelings? In fact, if you found both Radfield and YI scummy why not push for Roffles to take pardoner position, especially when the fact you had previously considered the idea of having Roffles run as candidate? Since Pardoner is unprotected by Aurors and the role itself is useless to the town, Roffle's scumhunting ability would not really have mattered at all either. Also your statement that you voted YI because he was going to lynch DC... On June 23 2010 06:35 ~OpZ~ wrote: And yes, I'm aware that ruins my, Die DC Die thing. But more importantly they've both had random bouts of vote jumping. ? _________ Cutting my analysis here b/c I see ~OpZ~ has replied. I understand Radfield and Amber[LighT], but I think my point still stands. "Well I don't like giving pardoner to people who say they want it over mayor...Why? (I'm sure you know). Town doesn't want pardoner. Mafia wants pardoner. / So anyone asking for pardoner (YI and Radfield) looks suspicious to me." You agree town should not give pardoner to mafia b/c it's a position only mafia would want / YI does said suspicious behaviour and you push for him instead of Radfield or Roffles? | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On June 25 2010 18:53 lakrismamma wrote: Im off for the midsummer party. -sorry I didnt have time for post analysis. Im back on Sunday hope you catch some scums by then! The problem with this is he's predicting inactivity for himself, which is altogether bad for the town, and he'll be missing the vote. Voting tendencies of individuals is a big indicator/clue of their allegiance, and with him missing it entirely that's a big deal in my mind. Also, he could have thrown up his vote before posting that he will be leaving, just so that he will have performed his duty. And then of course inactivity is bad for the town and bad for the game. So the whole avoiding the voting process and going inactive make him a pretty good lynch target in my mind. | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
Lakrismamma: in favor of lynching: inactive, useless to us not in favor of lynching: midsummer party is a really big thing in his country... and it's supposed to be big, so I do buy his story to some extent... who would let a mafia game get in the way of the biggest party of the year? the problem, though, is that same story would fit if he were mafia. so... my read on him is like 60% vanilla townie, 10% blue, 30% mafia. abenson in favor of lynching: inactive, self-preserving behavior trying not to get modkilled or noticed as particularly inactive, was rather defensive earlier when people said he was inactive. Also, he doesn't have a valid excuse for inactivity not in favor of lynching:: he could just be a bored vanilla townie, posted content about the kills from night 1. my read on him is around 45% vanilla townie, 45% mafia, 10% blue. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:15 Hesmyrr wrote: ~OpZ~ (June 25 2010 02:26) Wait wait wait, "I voted for him because I was uncertain of Radfield and didn't want Radfield to be pardoner. But YellowInk made a scummy post...In my eyes atleast. But he was going to lynch DC for me..."? First, all of the post you bring up as scummy had been posted before you made your YI vote. Looking at your analysis you seem to have pretty decent evidence not to trust YellowInk. To the contrary, your suspicion of Radfield seem to consist of your gut feeling, or at least you never bothered to bring up why you found him scummy. So at that time there was three candidates which could take pardoner position: Radfield, Roffles, and YellowInk. If you had reason to believe YellowInk so suspicious, why would you want him to take pardoner position over Radfield- someone you felt uncertain about but at least there was no material to justify such feelings? In fact, if you found both Radfield and YI scummy why not push for Roffles to take pardoner position, especially when the fact you had previously considered the idea of having Roffles run as candidate? Since Pardoner is unprotected by Aurors and the role itself is useless to the town, Roffle's scumhunting ability would not really have mattered at all either. Also your statement that you voted YI because he was going to lynch DC... ? Lol...I hadn't thought about the whole situation yet. I jumped and was so concerned about trying to get pardoner off of Radfield that I didn't care about YellowInk. And then after the situation was over I reread that part of the thread, and realized YI just wanted to be pardoner too (not MoM)...You don't always notice things the first time round y'know? And I would of pushed for Roffles...but I haven't seen him play. At all. He didn't have a hugely pressing campaign (which iirc he didn't really campaign, you just nominated him). I considered him because I liked his posts...Also I didn't feel he would be able to gather enough votes from Radfield... _________ Cutting my analysis here b/c I see ~OpZ~ has replied. I understand Radfield and Amber[LighT], but I think my point still stands. "Well I don't like giving pardoner to people who say they want it over mayor...Why? (I'm sure you know). Town doesn't want pardoner. Mafia wants pardoner. / So anyone asking for pardoner (YI and Radfield) looks suspicious to me." You agree town should not give pardoner to mafia b/c it's a position only mafia would want / YI does said suspicious behaviour and you push for him instead of Radfield or Roffles? ...Radfield said he wanted pardoner >< YI too...Roffles didn't seem, in my eyes, to be able to pull votes. Not really digging your pressuring me, because it's a waste of time and makes me feel suspicious. Lol. If you recall, I've stated I didn't trust you either though, and would choose Radfield over you? To be honest, I could of just used that as my justification for not voting Roffles (your candidate), but I've given you my real reasons. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
the likely hood of lakrismamma flipping red is slim to none in my opinion. obviously we can all point fingers at bad players and lynch them for the "benefit" of the town but he doesn't seem red to me. he just seems like an awful green. there's no way in hell people can point to him and say DEFINITE SCUM! i think the people pushing for his lynch are definitely sketchy to me. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:29 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Well I'm in favor of lynching either lakrismamma or abenson. here are my thoughts on the matter: Lakrismamma: in favor of lynching: inactive, useless to us not in favor of lynching: midsummer party is a really big thing in his country... and it's supposed to be big, so I do buy his story to some extent... who would let a mafia game get in the way of the biggest party of the year? the problem, though, is that same story would fit if he were mafia. so... my read on him is like 60% vanilla townie, 10% blue, 30% mafia. abenson in favor of lynching: inactive, self-preserving behavior trying not to get modkilled or noticed as particularly inactive, was rather defensive earlier when people said he was inactive. Also, he doesn't have a valid excuse for inactivity not in favor of lynching:: he could just be a bored vanilla townie, posted content about the kills from night 1. my read on him is around 45% vanilla townie, 45% mafia, 10% blue. Honestly. I'm in favor of lynching Radfield or YellowInk. TBH we get more information from either of them being lynched. =/ | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: Honestly. I'm in favor of lynching Radfield or YellowInk. TBH we get more information from either of them being lynched. =/ If you don't know what I'm talking about information (lots of new people, and it's kind of ambiguous I guess), Radfield/YellowInk/Amber all had several votes just pop up right before time. And they have people who've voted for them... | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: Honestly. I'm in favor of lynching Radfield or YellowInk. TBH we get more information from either of them being lynched. =/ Did you read my analysis of YI? I do get a strange vibe from him and would be quite alright with him being lynched. I'm always keen on going after suspicious looking higher profile people after the inactivity lynch on day 1 since you get much more information out of the lynch. Also, I just realized that I don't think lynching radfield is an option because he can just pardon himself (or can he? it doesn't say in the OP), which gives us little information on whether he's town or mafia. | ||
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:31 johnnyspazz wrote: why don't we just let him get modkilled and lynch a far more interesting target? the likely hood of lakrismamma flipping red is slim to none in my opinion. obviously we can all point fingers at bad players and lynch them for the "benefit" of the town but he doesn't seem red to me. he just seems like an awful green. there's no way in hell people can point to him and say DEFINITE SCUM! i think the people pushing for his lynch are definitely sketchy to me. I agree that we can't say definitely scum, and don't mean to be coming off as sketchy. I just grabbed a lunch break at work and wanted to make sure I got my vote in so that I didn't miss the deadline, which is possible if I waited until I got off. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:31 johnnyspazz wrote: why don't we just let him get modkilled and lynch a far more interesting target? the likely hood of lakrismamma flipping red is slim to none in my opinion. obviously we can all point fingers at bad players and lynch them for the "benefit" of the town but he doesn't seem red to me. he just seems like an awful green. there's no way in hell people can point to him and say DEFINITE SCUM! i think the people pushing for his lynch are definitely sketchy to me. agreed. I'm not voting lakrismamma because it kind of parallels the situation we have with deucegladlier. I do find YI a bit suspicious as someone said he's not acting the same way as a previous game. What he did previous game was inviting DTs to clue check him etc etc clearly trying to advocate that he was green when he ran for Mayor. He was pointing fingers at basically everyone and being very aggressive. This new personality I'm seeing seems out of character. I think he's being more passive to avoid suspicion but people are starting to catch on. Along with the softclaim for blue but telling DTs to not check him seems weird. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On June 26 2010 01:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: jspazz i don't think modkills are happening this game unless BM has changed his mind. He would instead be substituted with another player like subversion was replaced with thegilaboy. I agree the chance of him being mafia is slim though. who else do you think we should consider? i would much rather lynch abenson than lakrismamma but maybe we should look at jeejee. i'm used jeejee posting a lot more than he is posting now. the change in play style is odd. JeeJee Jugan Stormtemplar Ludwig Abenson lakrismamma basically everyone from this list needs to say something or they should all die | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
i wouldn't mind lynching yellowink though. i do not like lynching inactives to find scum. it might be a necessity but it's so god damn random. i believe DE definitely put someone forward for election. amber trusts radfield to some extent so many they are both blue? we need the leaders to lead. imo radfield seems more red than YI. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Acceptable. I read the thread again and apparently you made a post "So amber is a mason then?" as a reply. So zeks was the first one to suggest the possibility of Amber-Radfield mason team. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 26 2010 02:40 johnnyspazz wrote: uh minus lakrismamma oops i wouldn't mind lynching yellowink though. i do not like lynching inactives to find scum. it might be a necessity but it's so god damn random. i believe DE definitely put someone forward for election. amber trusts radfield to some extent so many they are both blue? we need the leaders to lead. imo radfield seems more red than YI. There's no doubt that DEs would want to push for a position, whether it be MoM or Pardoner. Both positions have substantial power. Forgot where it was, but it seems to me that Amber and Radfield both have pretty much hinted that they're blue, and the fact that Amber trusted Radfield enough to nominate him hints to me that both are clean or both working together as scum. I would lump YI with Radfield, both wanted pardoner really bad, which is a position that mafia would be really really dangerous in. But to me, the voters for YI jumped on board really late to me, very consecutively towards the end, which makes me somewhat wary. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
I think LuDwig- is a much better target if you want to go after inactives. There are no modkill rules in place. Though if BM is looking for a replacement for LuDwig-, maybe that'll do. I would agree with the sentiment that it's probably better to try to find red than go after inactives only if we are going to trust that BM is going to moderate inactivity. However, it's really hard to find red when there's 15 pages of game and 21 players, even if 3 of them are already dead. Considering this game lagged before even getting started due to insufficient interest to fill BM's roster, I'm voting LuDwig- unless he becomes active or replaced, or something sufficiently red turns up. Also, I couldn't find a deadline for the day. Does it end at 10:05 June 26? | ||
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