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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:I see abenson as a better candidate than lakrismamma if we want to play it conservatively. I am still quite suspicious of YellowInk tbh, but am fine with waiting another day to see if he slips up given that others don't seem to feel strongly enough about him to lynch him. Let's not forgot the middle of the line posters: Jugan: mostly defending himself from accusations, a lot of one liner posts, no real contributions to the town plan? death eater? maybe so. Jayme: hugely disproportionate time posting in other threads on TL vs in this thread, and not too many posts in this thread overall. check out his posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jayme&gb=dateHis posting here, sparse as it has been, has been relatively insightful though. JeeJee: also hugely disproportionate time posting in other threads versus this thread. he hasn't posted much, but his last few posts have just been accusing elyas, which imo is fairly grounded, yet he's not pushing for it even though he feels strongly about it -- strange? ElyAs: recent activity consists of a somewhat thoughtful analysis of myself and zeks as well as responding to jeejee's accusations of him in a satisfactory manner. If I had to pick one person to lynch today it would be YI, but my second choice would be Jugan. Since people seem against going after YI today, which I understand, I'll go ahead and start a vote for Jugan because he is tinted red through my current vision. Also, I'd like to say that I am fairly confident that johnnyspazz is town at this point given his response to my question of him a few pages back.
I also agree that while Lakris has to go for a couple of days, he's at least provided some input these couple of days and he gave us much warning ahead of time as to what his plans are. Abenson on the other hand has not, and simply has a couple of posts with him struggling to provide any feedback/advice/help to us, which really doesn't help us at all.
As for the others you mentioned, I mentioned Jugan earlier being highly defensive, but has yet to provide much insight.
As for Jayme, you can't really fault him. TL's search isn't all that accurate. If you dig through my posting record, you'll see that proportionally I don't spend all that much time in here, but in fact I've actually posted numerous times in here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Roffles&gb=date
But as for post quality, his posts have been of help. (Jayme that is)
However, what I'd like to say is that I'm also in agreement with JeeJee on Elyas. Did a brief check on him earlier, and further backed up by JeeJee, simply points out that Elyas isn't really definitive when it comes to anything. Likes to just point things out, summarize them, but without taking a stance.
Here's a post from him: "Finally, I do believe it's still too early in the game to have definitive stances on players, especially in this game where there is a lot of inactivity. My not-so-sure position was made to encourage these players to post more."
No stance, nothing definitive. Plus, in almost every post, he plays the "I'm new" card, which tells me that every move of his, he wants to mask behind the "I'm new" card, which we don't know whether or not is legit or not. He could very well be a townie who's not as experienced, but he may also be trying to mask himself and buy time so the mafia can act.
Since there's not much time, if we're pushing for a lynch candidate, Elyas should be one to consider. We haven't seen much action from JeeJee, so I'm slightly wary of how much I should trust him as of now, but from what I've seen of Elyas, he would make a good lynch candidate.
But if we're playing conservatively, Abenson over Lakris. Lakris has actually done something. Abenson has just been MIA as of late.
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and i think red's wouldn't waste 1 kp on a townie given that this game SHOULD have a lot of spells
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or am i just mind gaming the red? who knows but i gotta run now
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johnny you have the power of spazzspam
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As time is passing fast, I'm gonna follow AFJ's logic and vote for Jugan. If it can stir him up a bit, fair enough. I had other targets but they were inactive, so let's go and try this. We can always try killing inactives later if they start voting/posting only to avoid the modkill.
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I voted Abenson to get rid of another useless one - and plus we're running out of time. Anyone is better than lakrismamma at this point.
Don't have any strong reads other than a moderate one on YI. Sucks we're gonna have to see a couple more people die before we get anywhere.
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Along with Radfield's plan, I'm putting my vote on zeks. He was moderately productive day 1 and has been far less productive day 2. I don't know that he's red, but it follows the pattern we're looking for much better than others. I flipped through the total inactives and they honestly are all playing very noobishly. Since zeks has been posting but content since daybreak has heavily slacked, that's where I'm dropping my vote.
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As an additional note, even if I weren't voting zeks, voting Abenson does not fit with Radfield's plan. Going after Abenson at the beginning of the day makes sense to pressure him to talk. Going after Abenson at the end of the day is likely ambush bandwagoning a townie.
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Wow, activity all of a sudden, should F5 before posting :o
Well I tried to analyze and I even said that if wasn't satisfactory I was ready to do it again. Was I playing the "I'm new" card before you said I was a newbie yourself Roffles ? I don't believe so. Read my posts again, I emitted opinions, not only uncertainties.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 26 2010 07:31 YellowInk wrote:
As an additional note, even if I weren't voting zeks, voting Abenson does not fit with Radfield's plan. Going after Abenson at the beginning of the day makes sense to pressure him to talk. Going after Abenson at the end of the day is likely ambush bandwagoning a townie.
My only issue with Abenson is that along with other inactives, they've combined to post relatively nothing of substance, and only hurts us because we can't gather hints from posts and stuff. For a 21 player mafia game, the number of posts we have in here is relatively on the low side, which is why we're still up in the air with who to lynch right now.
Conservatively, I think Abenson is the choice to make, simply because we don't know how he's gonna flip and it rids us of one inactive. If we choose to lynch someone active, at this rate, the mafia is gonna clear out all the actives by like the 3rd day and it just leaves us with inactives vs mafia. That's not the situation we want to be in right now.
Zeks I'm still wary of, but I think Elyas would be a better target, simply because he posts every now and then, but always raises his "I'm new" card, which may very well be a mask for "Don't hit me please".
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Yes, you were playing the I'm new card before I posted.
"I'm not going to sponsor anyone, it's only my second game so I don't really know the playstyle of everyone."
Plus, you also like to use the reference to Mafia XVI, which you point out was the only game you really played in. No decisive actions, just many "I'm reserving my judgment" to "Ahh, I'm not really sure what to do, so looks like I'll vote for _______ I guess".
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I was merely responding to Amber[Light]'s post saying that new players shouldn't sponsor another player. Though I admit I was wrong, this is indeed a "I'm new" claim even if I didn't consider it as such when I posted it and when I reviewed my posts.
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On June 26 2010 07:31 YellowInk wrote:
As an additional note, even if I weren't voting zeks, voting Abenson does not fit with Radfield's plan. Going after Abenson at the beginning of the day makes sense to pressure him to talk. Going after Abenson at the end of the day is likely ambush bandwagoning a townie.
I completely agree with this, so I'm not going to vote Abenson... however at the same time we did put pressure on him twice, and he has REFUSED to post anything.
I feel bad voting for zeks, but we might gain more information based upon who targets him. Voting for Abenson will just literally rid us of another townie, if anything. There's little risk and absolutely little reward with this choice.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
So it seems at least two more people have been dug up who fit the Day1/Day2 criteria. Zeks and Elyas. From the two of them I'm heavily in favor of Elyas at this point. After being fairly active day 1, he only posts originally on day 2 to defend himself from Jeejee, then disappears for the rest of Day 2, only to pop back in and defend himself after Roffles points him out. Smacks of someone who is following the thread, but not posting.
He also has a few more newbie gems like:Yeah, I'm starting to think that my lack of experience makes me go in a wrong direction, but I don't really know everyone's playstyles, so I'm doing with what I have (Sure, I could go and analyze previous games but it looks like experienced players are good at changing personas and such...)
This is to preface his analysis post.
If people insist on voting off inactives, Abenson is fine as he seems least likely to get modkilled/replaced. He'll hang around, but still not post much content. For now though, I'm voting Elyas.
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yi & amber, you homeys better change your votes. <3
preferably to elyas
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p.s. i have no reason for stating that. i dunno anything about zeks haha
just vote elyas =)
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Woo, made it back from work and what not in time before the vote, giving me a chance to change my placeholder vote of LM. I see what people mean by it being a waste of a vote to go after the super inactives, as it will likely result in a townie flip. That being the case, it's best to go after individuals who are active in a sense, but either promote very little to the thread or who we can gain more information from their lose. Losing Abenson or LM would likely teach us nothing, but instead reinforce the idea that inactive townies can be a pain for the town as they drag lynching votes their way.
So that means I am going to switch out my placeholder since I made it in time. I'm leaning toward Elyas here. As I was writing this I refreshed the page and saw that JeeJee has gone apeshit with his posts, telling people to change their vote and not to vote for zeks, while claiming not to know anything about Zeks. That is just some crazy posting that seems to come out of left field. JeeJee is leading the crusade against Elyas, and while I don't support Elyas per se, JJ's actions seem a bit over the top. Either he is just trying to rally against Elyas because he wants us to kill a townie (if JJ is mafia), or JJ might know something we don't know. Would like to know that soon JJ, while there is still time to change the votes.
Also, Ludwig has contributed absolutely nothing to this thread whatsoever, please tell me he is either going to be modkilled or replaced.
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