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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On June 24 2010 10:04 Bill Murray wrote: play resumes | ||
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Bill Murray
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
We're running out of Day 2 time, and we need to focus our efforts not just on the lynch, but also on night actions. In fact, we really only need to focus on the roleblocks and investigations. Vigs should probably be holding their shots, and medics/occlumens can do their thing without input. Presumably Amber and myself were rolechecked last night and both came back green. At least I assume so since no one is hollering in the thread about reds. However, it's possible that we either didn't get checked, or that the rolechecks are inconclusive. Moving down the list of suspicious people, my top candidates for a rolecheck are YellowInk and JeeJee. As far as roleblocking, anyone suspicious should be targeted using the same strat as last night. Lynching: Players who are active: Amber, Hesmyrr, Opz, AFJ, Jspazz, zeks, YellowInk, Radfield, Thegilaboy, Roffles Players who are mostly active: JeeJee, Jayme, Elyas Players who are somewhat inactive(or worse): Jugan, Stormtemplar, Ludwig, Abenson, Lakrismamma, It's going to be very very difficult to do this with this many players not posting. We've had only a few pages of posts in the last 36hours. But I'm a bit sick of lynching inactive players, because they almost always end up town. So we have to work with what we have. I think the best way right now is to look for players who follow this pattern: Active on Day 1, much less activity on Day 2. Mafia are being given a free ride right now, and have very little incentive to post. One person jumps out at me as following this trend, but probably only because I looked through his posting history. Jayme. Jayme if your out there, you need to pick up the Day 2 slack or I'm going to be voting for you. I think everyone should be looking for players who follow this trend. Moderately active on Day 1, sharp decline in posting on Day 2. When I'm on later tonight I'll search for more candidates, but hopefully everyone else can search as well. Does this seem logical to people? Yes, we're letting those players like ludwig, lakrismamma and Stormtemplar slide, but BM is talking about modkills anyways, so they'll likely be tossed for us. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Again, people seem to think I pushed hard for the pardoner role. I'd like to see those posts of mine, because they don't exist. Obviously anyone pushing for the pardoner role is insta-scummy, because it's a useless role in town hands. I stated that I didn't have enough time to play effectively as MoM, but I was fine with Pardoner because obviously pardoner takes no extra effort. Please don't link me and Yellowink together on that front. He pushed hard for an elected role, and missed it by a couple minutes. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On June 25 2010 19:09 ElyAs wrote: Well, that came out of nowhere. Your first post today contains an accusation with a "simple" analysis. Fair enough, allow me to defend myself. First, I just intended the "I'm new" card to be a warning because Roffles was doubting my idea of analyzing previous games based on the fact that it was only my second game and after trying the analysis exercise, it's indeed harder than I first thought. As for restating what is going on, it's needed for analysis. Not only it allows to sum up the players's posts, but also acts as a basis on which I can start analyzing. Finally, I do believe it's still too early in the game to have definitive stances on players, especially in this game where there is a lot of inactivity. My not-so-sure position was made to encourage these players to post more. And as I said in the previous game, I believe that activity calls for activity and vice-versa, so I do like this accusation, but not the way it was done. new players don't want to be seen as a liability. moreover, the rest of your post doesn't even make sense, you are having trouble with analysis so you make useless posts (a summary of whats going on which is rather different than a useful summary of i.e. people's posts or what has happened) so you can start analyzing? ok it's never too early to have definitive stances. die. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On June 26 2010 03:19 YellowInk wrote: The lakrismamma bandwagon sucks. I'm surprised people like ~OpZ~, Amber[Light], and Thegilaboy are voting for this assuming they are actually town. They should know better. +2 scummy points for each of you. I think LuDwig- is a much better target if you want to go after inactives. There are no modkill rules in place. Though if BM is looking for a replacement for LuDwig-, maybe that'll do. I would agree with the sentiment that it's probably better to try to find red than go after inactives only if we are going to trust that BM is going to moderate inactivity. However, it's really hard to find red when there's 15 pages of game and 21 players, even if 3 of them are already dead. Considering this game lagged before even getting started due to insufficient interest to fill BM's roster, I'm voting LuDwig- unless he becomes active or replaced, or something sufficiently red turns up. Also, I couldn't find a deadline for the day. Does it end at 10:05 June 26? I voted as a placeholder. I was anticipating changing my vote depending on how the discussion turned today. I agree we should avoid touching the inactive players (the really inactive ones). Let BM deal with them by replacing them etc. and we will focus on who we have. Just to clarify Ludwig- DID IN FACT POST after the game started. Check my analysis post a couple of pages back. The thing is I genuinely believe his internet access has been cut, because I stated I couldn't even find a recent post of his on TL, except for this thread. I don't know how I feel about lynching Radfield or YellowInk. How much information will that really provide? There were three bandwagon voting patterns that occurred. In fact one of the bandwagoners turned out to be a blue (ffs!!!) It's not a really fair assumption to say "well if we lynch x and he turns up red, then everybody who bandwagoned for x must also be red." I agree that it's incredibly suspicious that there was a vote bandwagon for Radfield (that really wasn't so much of a bandwagon), but one of those bandwagoners was ALSO blue. And it's understandable how there was this push for YI at the end because of the suspicion that radfield and I are in cahoots with some epic mafia plan. We need to make a differentiation between people who are inactive and people who are not trying. The person who is doing the least effort should be lynched today. The problem is we need to establish whether lynching said target will open up clues elsewhere. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
IF YOU WERE A DT AND SEARCHED FOR SOMEONE AND DISCOVERED A SHADY CHARACTER..... ..maybe now is the time to come forward? We can't guarantee you will be safe for another night and we need to get these clues analyzed, especially if you're having trouble figuring out who the characters are. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
@Amber I buy that it was a placeholder. I just think it was a bad one. At any rate, I think that lynching either Amber or Radfield right now is a bad idea. And will probably be a bad idea tomorrow and the next day. Lynching elected leaders in the early game is rarely good. Wasting energy thinking about it this early is far less useful and gives the mafia a place to hide and provide 'activity'. While I opposed the Amber/Radfield ticket, this is not the time to try to drag them down with fingers of suspicion. I'll still give them scummy points if they deserve it though.  But then I'll move on. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 26 2010 04:15 Amber[LighT] wrote: I will say this ONCE AGAIN: IF YOU WERE A DT AND SEARCHED FOR SOMEONE AND DISCOVERED A SHADY CHARACTER..... ..maybe now is the time to come forward? We can't guarantee you will be safe for another night and we need to get these clues analyzed, especially if you're having trouble figuring out who the characters are. Considering there is only 4 scum, if you found someone that was a death eater, even Voldemort (whom we can't kill yet), you should definitely come forward. Consider that if you get killed and revealed as a DT (assuming we don't have a second medic that decided to cover), we'll know for sure that that person was Voldemort. Coming forward will probably just get you roleblocked into oblivion, though. I suspect the death eaters have a great deal of magic at their disposal. Oh, and consider me half-asking for medic protection again. Though now you can give me just 50% likely protection (if you think I'm town) since there's probably only one medic out there. I advise using an RNG for your final decision on this sort of thing. If a DT shows up, that would obviously be an awesome target for protection too. Lets keep the mafia guessing. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 26 2010 04:31 YellowInk wrote: Considering there is only 4 scum, if you found someone that was a death eater, even Voldemort (whom we can't kill yet), you should definitely come forward. Consider that if you get killed and revealed as a DT (assuming we don't have a second medic that decided to cover), we'll know for sure that that person was Voldemort. Coming forward will probably just get you roleblocked into oblivion, though. I suspect the death eaters have a great deal of magic at their disposal. Oh, and consider me half-asking for medic protection again. Though now you can give me just 50% likely protection (if you think I'm town) since there's probably only one medic out there. I advise using an RNG for your final decision on this sort of thing. If a DT shows up, that would obviously be an awesome target for protection too. Lets keep the mafia guessing. Even if the DT gets roleblocked into oblivion killing just one of the DE's is more than enough trade off for that, especially considering we have more than one DT most likely and I can't see DE's having more than one roleblocker...especially if a DT gets a response back that points toward Nagini or something to that end. Killing a horcrux is nothing short of invaluable. YI you have been considerably less aggressive this time around than before. If this is just because you're switching it up and would prefer to just lay a bit lower then okay...you haven't done anything I find particularly scummy in this game. In fact one of the only things I've found very very odd this game is your odd surge of votes you got right before the deadline and be honest...you would have been in the elected position if the voters had been a little bit more cognizant of the time. I'm not a huge fan of lynching inactives anymore. That style of play used to work back when people were a bit hesitant when they were read...now you don't see that at all anymore. The likely hood that an inactive will flip town is pretty how and we gain pretty much nothing for it. I'd also like to say that 24 hours passes much quicker than you'd think when you work nights O.o | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 26 2010 04:47 Jayme wrote: Even if the DT gets roleblocked into oblivion killing just one of the DE's is more than enough trade off for that, especially considering we have more than one DT most likely and I can't see DE's having more than one roleblocker...especially if a DT gets a response back that points toward Nagini or something to that end. Killing a horcrux is nothing short of invaluable. YI you have been considerably less aggressive this time around than before. If this is just because you're switching it up and would prefer to just lay a bit lower then okay...you haven't done anything I find particularly scummy in this game. In fact one of the only things I've found very very odd this game is your odd surge of votes you got right before the deadline and be honest...you would have been in the elected position if the voters had been a little bit more cognizant of the time. I'm not a huge fan of lynching inactives anymore. That style of play used to work back when people were a bit hesitant when they were read...now you don't see that at all anymore. The likely hood that an inactive will flip town is pretty how and we gain pretty much nothing for it. I'd also like to say that 24 hours passes much quicker than you'd think when you work nights O.o PBWOE Forgive me for the edit, was merely the last sentence and I just woke up. My bad my bad. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
I am voting Abenson Though I understand the merit of avoding lynching inactive players, if we leave them alone I expect them to hinder the town from formulating successful reads later on the game, since mafia is likely to selectively kill active townies which contribute to scum hunting. And then there is the fact that removing lurkish players will enable detectives to check the players who are highly active and thus more likely to affect opinion of the town. However, I'll try to drop in few hours before deadline and try to comment on the town concensus lynch if players decide to follow someone else's suggestion instead. I agree with the idea that medic should protect themselves if they are confident in their ability to contribute. If they cannot protect themselves however, I propose following medic protection list: Radfield YellowInk Roffles ~OpZ~ Acrossfivejuly johnnyspazz Hopefully this will discourage scum from killing players which are active and opinionated. I'm curious about the fact that no one seems to have come out with guilty result yet however, because I am pretty sure some detectives would have rolechecked Amber[LighT], Radfield, and YellowInk (especially likely him due to vote surge); After all, in d1 town agreed that these three mayoral candidates should be met with suspicion and thus be investigated! If no detective comes out with guilty claim, I suppose I could safely assume all three to produce innocent results once checked- which is quite significant because there is only one Godfather in this game, meaning at least two out of these three people must be town. Just in case detectives are concentrated on one part of the player list, I think for d2 we should shift the responsibilities one downward. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
Let's not forgot the middle of the line posters: Jugan: mostly defending himself from accusations, a lot of one liner posts, no real contributions to the town plan? death eater? maybe so. Jayme: hugely disproportionate time posting in other threads on TL vs in this thread, and not too many posts in this thread overall. check out his posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jayme&gb=date His posting here, sparse as it has been, has been relatively insightful though. JeeJee: also hugely disproportionate time posting in other threads versus this thread. he hasn't posted much, but his last few posts have just been accusing elyas, which imo is fairly grounded, yet he's not pushing for it even though he feels strongly about it -- strange? ElyAs: recent activity consists of a somewhat thoughtful analysis of myself and zeks as well as responding to jeejee's accusations of him in a satisfactory manner. If I had to pick one person to lynch today it would be YI, but my second choice would be Jugan. Since people seem against going after YI today, which I understand, I'll go ahead and start a vote for Jugan because he is tinted red through my current vision. Also, I'd like to say that I am fairly confident that johnnyspazz is town at this point given his response to my question of him a few pages back. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I see abenson as a better candidate than lakrismamma if we want to play it conservatively. I am still quite suspicious of YellowInk tbh, but am fine with waiting another day to see if he slips up given that others don't seem to feel strongly enough about him to lynch him. Let's not forgot the middle of the line posters: Jugan: mostly defending himself from accusations, a lot of one liner posts, no real contributions to the town plan? death eater? maybe so. Jayme: hugely disproportionate time posting in other threads on TL vs in this thread, and not too many posts in this thread overall. check out his posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jayme&gb=date His posting here, sparse as it has been, has been relatively insightful though. JeeJee: also hugely disproportionate time posting in other threads versus this thread. he hasn't posted much, but his last few posts have just been accusing elyas, which imo is fairly grounded, yet he's not pushing for it even though he feels strongly about it -- strange? ElyAs: recent activity consists of a somewhat thoughtful analysis of myself and zeks as well as responding to jeejee's accusations of him in a satisfactory manner. If I had to pick one person to lynch today it would be YI, but my second choice would be Jugan. Since people seem against going after YI today, which I understand, I'll go ahead and start a vote for Jugan because he is tinted red through my current vision. Also, I'd like to say that I am fairly confident that johnnyspazz is town at this point given his response to my question of him a few pages back. i would push for it but everybody's fucking ignoring it like the tools they are and let my posts get spammed off to the next page once the idiots die off ill try again | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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johnnyspazz
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