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also, one point that i believe hasn't been brought up yet that's EXTREMELY telling
versatile has been hit by a nuke. ok so she didn't die, but nobody knew the nuke was fake. or well, at least the town didn't. that means if verse is on the mafia team, the mafia would probably be inclined to anti-nuke unless they knew that verse had no more abilities or something. now since the nuke hit we can likely conclude one of the following:
1) mafia has no anti nukes
2) verse is not mafia
3) mafia was willing to sacrifice verse for whatever reason (i.e. verse was out of nukes)
4) mafia has some way to tell fake nukes from real ones
5) some 3rd party explanation
as verse is being brought up time and time again as a day2 lynch target, i thought i would bring this up as well to paint the whole story. comments?
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On March 29 2010 02:16 XeliN wrote:
All of it is hypothetical on Tree flipping red, if he does then yeah I'd consider you a possible partner in crime. Also you did vote for L, something you yourself list as a suspicious action and have currently Nuked a town alligned player. I have my eye on you....
umm no. do we need to work on your reading comprehension?
i listed 3 lists. my own, and the two the town has been using. the L vote list and zona's inactive list. i do not believe myself to be mafia. i hope that is clear.
you can keep your eye on me but if you tell the UN i'm growing hella drugs in my country we're going to have problems during treaty negotiations 
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wait a minute
verse,
both townies and mafia have anti-nukes so this would not be an impossible task.
how do you know mafia has anti nukes?
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because i think caller is mafia, and he was anonymously anti-nuked.
i guess i shouldn't state it as a fact, and i apologize for that, but it's what i believe given my behavioral analysis on caller.
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Point 1: It has nothing to do with what you said, nor the "standard" behaviour of Mafia. I am just confused why you would reverse your position all of the sudden. I mean, I thought you tried to establish order in the Town, yet you suddenly started rampaging.
Point 2: The problem is if person A/B do not have nukes, they are going to say they do not have the nukes- which will continue on before we reach the person who has the nukes. However, at that point, the number of the players in the potential nuke-having Townies list for Mafia to pick from will have been reduced more than necessary. And yeah, ignore anti-nukes part.
Point 3: It is neutral move. It cannot be proved as either pro-town or anti-town move unless the alignment of the players because even if you flip Mafia, the list you posted will simply be WIFOM'd to death.
Point 4: I am assuming Mafia do not have that much anti-nukes here. If then, they will try to use anti-nuke more efficiently. Saving someone targetted by another one of non-concensus nuker Townie is more beneficial than saving someone who will clearly be under lot of suspicion after saving.
However, I agree with your post, which is why my plan does not involve nuking you day 1. I will push you farther down the lynch list when new suspect appears.
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On March 29 2010 02:40 JeeJee wrote:
also, one point that i believe hasn't been brought up yet that's EXTREMELY telling
versatile has been hit by a nuke. ok so she didn't die, but nobody knew the nuke was fake. or well, at least the town didn't. that means if verse is on the mafia team, the mafia would probably be inclined to anti-nuke unless they knew that verse had no more abilities or something. now since the nuke hit we can likely conclude one of the following:
1) mafia has no anti nukes
2) verse is not mafia
3) mafia was willing to sacrifice verse for whatever reason (i.e. verse was out of nukes)
4) mafia has some way to tell fake nukes from real ones
5) some 3rd party explanation
as verse is being brought up time and time again as a day2 lynch target, i thought i would bring this up as well to paint the whole story. comments?
Check my long post.
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also, knowing ace, i believe he'd give the mafia a role like that. BM was a "one-shot doc" townie so i don't think it's out of the realm to think ace would have given the mafia a similar role.
and even beyond that, if the mafia could not shoot down nukes, but the town could, i think that may be an unfair advantage. town could lynch, nuke, and anti-nuke, but the mafia would only be able to nuke and kill at night. basically, this would allow townies to possibly end the game day 1 if the mafia completely screwed up and were plain to see. 7 nukes fired in day 1 so far, and with 22 players, it's doubtful there's that many mafia in the game. basically, i think it if the mafia didn't have anti-nukes it might break the game. but that's just my opinion, i'm a different kind of mod than ace.
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*XeliN
-states L being banned for 2 days is not good enough reason to vote for him.
Impressive pro-town move earlier in the game. Has nothing to say about it.
-advocates lynching rather than nuking non-concensus nukers.
Neutral move
-I agree with people voting L if in their eyes there is no-one who stands out as warranting a lynch.
-against using anti-nuke on Caller
Neutral move/not enough information
-Abstain on RoL vote
Neutral move
-Anonymous nuke Elemenope
Anti-town move; also, non-concensus nuking.
-"What does FoS mean? and no, I did not launch this nuke on you, I personally would be happy to see it hit though."
"Excuse me? I didn't even fire a nuke, and if I had I assure you I would have done it publically, i've already stated Elemenope as someone suspicious I wouldn't bother doing it in secret." (over-defensiveness?)
You kept lying about your identity, even to the point of over-defensiveness (second quote).
Also, food for thought:
Wow Xelin claimed to be NK. I don't even know what is going on anymore.
Many are accepting his confession pretty leniently (which surprised me actually), so this is a food for thought. I find it highly unlikely that country such as NK, especially considering its abilities, do not have anti-town role; it is possible that Xelin, when ~OpZ~ pointed him out immediately with acceptable argument, panicked and tried to throw the suspicion off him by revealing himself, downgrading his perception from potential scum to one of those stupid foolish non-concensus-nuke-launching townies that is currently flooding the town.
-Suggests that if tree.hugger is red, Versatile is red as well.
Neutral move/not enough information.
In fact, this could be useful if tree.hugger flips red. If we bomb XeliN and see he is also red, Versatile is slightly less likely to be Mafia.
I am not as sure about his scumminess, but we could get much information about Elemenope and even potentially Versatile by his flip. Of course, the decision to whether nuke him or not should definitely be made collectively. So should we nuke him, or do you guys think he is Town?
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On March 29 2010 02:49 haster27 wrote:
Point 1: It has nothing to do with what you said, nor the "standard" behaviour of Mafia. I am just confused why you would reverse your position all of the sudden. I mean, I thought you tried to establish order in the Town, yet you suddenly started rampaging.
Point 2: The problem is if person A/B do not have nukes, they are going to say they do not have the nukes- which will continue on before we reach the person who has the nukes. However, at that point, the number of the players in the potential nuke-having Townies list for Mafia to pick from will have been reduced more than necessary. And yeah, ignore anti-nukes part.
Point 3: It is neutral move. It cannot be proved as either pro-town or anti-town move unless the alignment of the players because even if you flip Mafia, the list you posted will simply be WIFOM'd to death.
Point 4: I am assuming Mafia do not have that much anti-nukes here. If then, they will try to use anti-nuke more efficiently. Saving someone targetted by another one of non-concensus nuker Townie is more beneficial than saving someone who will clearly be under lot of suspicion after saving.
However, I agree with your post, which is why my plan does not involve nuking you day 1. I will push you farther down the lynch list when new suspect appears.
1. i stated earlier that when L was nuked, i took that opportunity. so i did not change my stance, L got nuked and i saw an opening and took it.
2. which is why i said i was involved in the brainstorming. as soon as someone pointed that out (i don't remember who) i dropped it as a viable option.
3. that's your opinion, and that's fine.
4. here's my point about that: i don't believe the mafia will save anyone to gain town credibility. why? because they don't need to. we don't know the game set up here. mafia could sit there and not use nukes and not have any attention drawn to them and could gain town favor by the usual methods, posting plans, etc. also, anti-nuking is anonymous. no one can prove it was them. someone could counterclaim and it could become a shitstorm. this is not a smart way to get into the town's good graces. it's a plan, but not necessarily the best.
and thanks. i appreciate when people actually respond to the whole post and not just bits and pieces.
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i personally don't think any more nukes should be fired so we can get to day 2 and a lynch opportunity.
but if the majority of the town wants xelin nuked, i suggest it's done soon so that we don't have to wait 48hrs for day to end.
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Not gonna lie folks, i haven't followed this game for shit. Sorry I just got too much right now going on irl to follow this mega-thread. It does appear though as if we are in some trouble...
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Haster you still haven't responded at all to the post where I (in my eyes) basically show that I am town, could you please. My main argument for me being town is this.
It seems everyone has accepted that I am North Korean, fine. With that in mind
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On March 29 2010 02:47 Versatile wrote:
because i think caller is mafia, and he was anonymously anti-nuked.
i guess i shouldn't state it as a fact, and i apologize for that, but it's what i believe given my behavioral analysis on caller.
ok, fair enough. guess our minds are wired differently, as you can see the first conclusion i thought of was that mafia may have no anti-nukes. it just seemed you were so sure, which stood out to me, to say the least.
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On March 29 2010 03:09 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 02:47 Versatile wrote:
because i think caller is mafia, and he was anonymously anti-nuked.
i guess i shouldn't state it as a fact, and i apologize for that, but it's what i believe given my behavioral analysis on caller. ok, fair enough. guess our minds are wired differently, as you can see the first conclusion i thought of was that mafia may have no anti-nukes. it just seemed you were so sure, which stood out to me, to say the least.
yeah, i assumed because it's the way i would probably set it up if i was the mod. check my second response to you, i went into greater detail.
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ffs did it again, as I've been called up on editing. I'll just continue.
It seems everyone has accepted that I am north Korea, fine. With that in mind my main argument is that the mafia would not be given an ability to use an anonymous nuke, it does not make sense for them to have such an ability and such things are almost always reserved for town aligned roles. I can't say too much more on this as the roles and abilities are hidden, but I think it is a fair argument to put forward, albeit one that could potentially be wrong.
Also the reasons I stated for there being no value in my lynch, firstly I have used up my nuke so there is no danger of me nuking again, secondly I have claimed town and been honest with my role. I am not a danger to the town in any way, if as the game progresses and more information comes to light it will be easier to judge if I am mafia as a result of this.
And your argument that if tree flips red we should lynch me and gain information on versatile for this reason. If I flip green, as I will, you gain no information. And if I flip red you gain little information as I could simply have written about Versatile being suspicious to throw attention off her in the event I flip red.
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Also your using overdefensiveness and writing it in red asif by doing so I am more likely mafia is simply wrong. I fired the nuke anonymously obviously I had no intention initially of revealing myself as the nuker so it makes sense that I would be defensive whether I was town or mafia.
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To OpZ and Xelin; yes I proposed lynching Abenson for confirmation; Versatile pointed out about how this more applies to DT-red claims rather than Masons, and once Abenson confirmed, I am sold that you two are Masons. Yeah, it may seem like a ballsy move for scum to RC as Masons out in the open like that, but considering the last game I played was like...the first Red Army game which was one of the two games I played, I don't particularly know people's playstyles that well, so I don't attempt to put moves like these past others, especially when if the move works, it would put the town at a huge disadvantage.
To Xelin, the jump to accusing you for launching the nuke was simply based off your vote for me considering nobody else had voted for me IIRC. Coupled with the fact that this nuke was out of the blue makes it easier. I just attempted to find other things to support this claim, and I would've been left wondering until countries were revealed/your death, but you RCed anyway, even after stating that you wouldn't hide your nuke. As for your claim that 'do you really think this ability [the one to fire an anonymous nuke during the day with no retaliation or trace] would go to mafia', it's quite the anti-town move when used. Especially when tagged along that you didn't explain your nuke until after it was shot down. We had stated that any unsupported town nukes are clearly anti-town, and you had even come up with a plan to lynch these nukers, yet you go off and shoot one your own, anonymously so that nobody could track who shot it, and then you attempt to say that this ability is a pro-town ability going from pure logic on the two points of the ability is too weak for scum and Ace wouldn't give this ability to scum?
Then I read some more and then I see a nuke by OpZ towards Tree.Hugger.
Whether this nuke gets shot down or not, I agree with Versatile and Zona that we should wait out the day and night. As Zona said, randomly shot nukes are more likely to hit town than mafia due to the number advantage town has and the fact that day 1 suspicions are just that: suspicions. We have nothing to go off other than intuition.
As for haster, although this would be a resolution to the the nuke launchers, one thing you have to keep in mind is this: our ToD has increased by one stage when the second nuke landed. If we go by stages, such as Very Low [the start], Low [where we are at now], it is reasonable to assume that perhaps the next is medium, then high, very high, game over, or something similar. Now, Ace may have varying number of nukes for each of these, but the fact that two nukes have landed and we go into low is kind of unsettling. Along with the fact that if the nuke from OpZ falls and then someone nukes Xelin, we have 4 nukes that have landed I believe, then we're in medium already at day 1. So much for keeping a low ToD, eh? Regardless of the retaliation or lack thereof from treehugger, I don't believe nuking Xelin is the right course of action due to ToD. I had thought that Ace would assume we would launch many nukes considering it's TL and not all of us are the best at responding to personal attacks, but unless he has more than just five stages of ToD before game over, then we're in for a very quick game over. We also have to keep in mind that there may be a third party out there with the intention of having this happen as long as he or she lives.
I'm of the opinion that we should just let this resolve how it is now, shoot down the nuke/leave it alone, preferably save it due to this ToD issue which is going to be a major issue at this rate. Go to night. Then come back the next day with much more information than we had the previous day. So basically: no more nukes
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So, as a townie I should really be trying to get the town not to waste a lynch on me.
In this post, Verse points out d3 and fishball as suspects.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2010 02:02 Versatile wrote:
i agree with waiting out the rest of the day and night. as i stated before, if we launch any nukes at mafia, i think they will just shoot them down. lynching is the only surefire way of getting a red out of the game.
i'll say it one more time: i am not going to fire again without town consent. i have no reason to at this point.
also, there have been plenty of people who the town has suspected. to decide how to lynch them, i say we rank them in order of most suspect. here is my list, make your own if you don't agree with it.
1. caller: was anonymously saved and has posted very little. little to no posting is a mafia tell for him.
2. iaaan: scummy posting style pointed out by several players.
3. tree.hugger/versatile/xelin: for non-consensus nuking.
suspicious: LMNOP for attacking opz and abenson after mason claim. the one thing i'd like to point out here is that L also advocated for killing one to prove the other if i am remembering correctly, and he was a towny. and i believe one other person did the same as well.
then there is zona's inactive list, L's vote list, and the list i posted.
L's vote list (as of page 21):
tree.hugger
Versatile
Abenson
Fishball
RebirthofLegend
~Opz~
d3_crescentia
zona's latest inactive list:
iNfuNdiBuLuM: 31
JeeJee: 30
Iaaan: 29
meeple: 28
Fishball: 26
Amber[LighT]: 26
Nikon: 18
d3_crescentia: 14
nemY: 13
Abenson: 12
Caller: 12
Phrujbaz: 2
Versatile's suspect list:
iaaan
caller
amberlight
nemy
d3_crescentia
xelin
nikon
fishball
i'd just like to point out that fishball and d3_crescentia are on all three of those lists. just something to note. not putting FoS on them, but the fact that they're on 3 different lists, all of which were formed with different criteria speaks to the need for both to give more to the town and a necessary increase in pro-town behavior. abenson, nikon, iaaan, amberlight, nemy and caller are on two of those lists each. abenson voted for L to save himself and told us he was going to be inactive so i believe it's safe to cross him off. nemy has been kind of inactive in both this game and zona's game, so that's something to take into consideration.
i also think it may be interesting to see how zona's inactive lists have changed over the course of the game. not saying we will definitely get something useful out of them, but we should be looking for patterns.
i welcome thoughts and opinions on this post.
I want to point out that I pointed them out as suspects several pages before:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2010 15:00 Iaaan wrote:
I want to point out that the mafia will have been sitting around laughing at us while we were screwing ourselves. There was no reason for them to post anything to screw up the town because we were doing it for them. So the people who haven't posted much in a reasonable amount of time I think should be called attention to:
2. d3_crescentia
3. JeeJee
7. Amber[LighT]
8. Caller
12. Zona
14. Fishball
16. meeple
18. Nikon
20. nemy
People who voted against L originally for no reason other than that he was banned are Fishball and d3. Versatile and tree.hugger also voted for L for no reason, and used nukes stupidly. These four people are who I think should be lynched. Verse will probably be hit with a nuke soon.
Verse and tree.hugger both nuked L, looking at it from a mafia's perspective, they would know that L is town, and a veteran/useful player; thus they would have motivation to nuke him past just being pissed off at him.
And I can see why people are suspicious of me, I haven't really been posting much rational behind my thoughts, but just my thoughts themselves. I've been busy/lazy, but like foolishness says, no one cares. But I acknowledge the accusations at least, and will try to respond to them, and point to people that I think are more suspicious than me.
Thus if either of them are mafia, then it logically follows that I would not bring attention to them if I were also mafia.
Also, I'm less sure than I was before that people who use nukes should die; wouldn't mafia want to lay low and not risk getting too invovled? I think it is possible that people just dont like L and enjoy killing him with nukes.
And this post of Opz I like:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2010 22:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:Omg...Lol...And then you point back at Caller? We seriously have bigger fish to fry...or turn into glass, whichever term you prefer. As likely as I believe Caller to be mafia, I'm personally advocating Iaaan, Xelin, and Tree.Hugger to be rape trained. You were also the one who pointed to lynching RoL. I understand he was inactive Versatile...I know Iaaan's made some super scummy ass posts...Consistently advocated letting the nukes on L land. I think I'ma go see if he commented on Caller's nuke... Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 09:58 Iaaan wrote:
@haster27
I think we should let his nuke hit Caller. There isn't really any reason not to, its not like losing him is a big loss, we shouldn't waste our anti nukes, and we get more information. I doubt RoL is mafia (of course he still has to be lynched), so I think that it is better to let the nuke hit.
And big lol at Abenson for coming to vote for RoL and not saying anything about opz. How stupid can you get? If you are masons you need to confirm it. If you aren't, we need to know to. Saying nothing just makes us think your even stupider, you have an easy opportunity to be useful, and you just ignore it. Okay...Well...This tells me that if Caller is mafia, Iaaan isn't (unless he knew Japan would save). I think believing the first part of that is more likely.... Xelin also supported Caller being Nuked Also on page 27 they both advocate letting the nuke fall again, within a very short amount of time of each other. Infun hasn't posted too much. Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 15:36 meeple wrote:On March 25 2010 15:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Just to remention this again in a separate post. I think most of the thoughts towards nuking were ill conceived. A town consensus on nuking would never be reached, and not using our nukes for more than one day would be dumb. Although I like how this is turning out so far even if i die. Well... as this game goes on, that much is becoming more clear. It took some desperation to get a majority vote, so getting everyone to agree on a nuke is tough in any case. I'd like to urge people to rethink their votes. For me... I'm going to change my vote to ##vote tree.huggerHe has very few posts in the thread, and they center around lynching L because he'll be inactive. More than anything, I want him to step up and post more and defend himself. Before L was unbanned, Meeple noticed tree.hugger voted for L and fought for it because L would be inactive. Funny isn't it? I think Meeple is town aligned. Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 15:54 Zona wrote:Thank you for that response to the latter part of my post, meeple. Please respond to the middle portion which I will repost here. On March 25 2010 14:59 meeple wrote:
I've said before that I don't agree usually with lynching most inactive, I mean it tells us nothing about the person or possible ties.
I don't know why Zona was so pushy for it, since there are obviously some better targets when we consider that we have two basically confirmed townies and a better choice would be to sift through the votes for Abenson(yes I know I'm on that list...) and see who tried to push the bandwagon. I see no good reason for you to delay naming your "obviously better targets" based on criteria other than being inactive, so perhaps you could kindly name them now? The biggest strike against tree.hugger seems to be that he hasn't posted much, along with the vote for L without a post to back it up. It will give the town the benefit of your analysis and show how I was mistaken to focus on inactives. Please do recall that I pointed out RoL when he only had 3 posts, all of them content-free. Huh? HI AMBER!!!! Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 23:08 Amber[LighT] wrote:On March 23 2010 22:54 Ace wrote:
2 months? o.0
And yes L is still able to be killed even if I dont find a replacement. He's pretty much still fair game, guess you guys can consider him a lurker ^_^
If someone has nukes when they die the nukes somehow disappear, kind of like Iraq irl. On March 23 2010 13:12 Ace wrote:
Votes
With 22 players, it's 12 to lynch!
Deadline is Thursday, May 25th 12:00AM ET
^^ All this bio-chemical warfare. We should go for the ez kill then and go for L if he's going to be inactive anyway. Any other target would be foolish at this point, unless someone thinks there's any reason to suspect anyone else. ##vote L Elem supports keeping L alive, note this Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 19:01 Elemenope wrote:
He still has time to contribute or cast a vote. It'll require a nuke to go off though. Which kind of contradicts what the few of us who are up have been saying though =\ JeeJee too! Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 23:25 JeeJee wrote:
also why the fuck are you voting for L? sure he will be afk for 2 days, but when has L's activity ever been a problem in mafia? as soon as he's unbanned, he'll hop right back in. Let me point this post out, as my position on Caller, he came up with the idea to prolong days, and give L a chance to get into the game, without getting bussed originally. Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 00:55 Caller wrote:
Well guys, in case nobody noticed, before we can lynch anybody, a nuke has to be launched, or day won’t end. Seeing as how nobody else has been an obvious target, I propose that we "nuke" L this turn around. As town, we need more information, and the best way of getting information is by killing a few people. For instance, we don’t have any idea what possible roles there are, aside from our own. More importantly, he won’t be able to contribute to town for a good 40 or so hours. By which, of course, the day would have ended, timewise, unless we nuke somebody to postpone it another 24 hours. And if necessary, we can always delay the day by nuking someone that’s already being nuked, or somebody without any nukes can launch a “nuke” to prolong the day.
In fact, the best way to go about this is for somebody without any actual nukes to nuke L. This will postpone the day and give us a lynch without raising ToD or killing L in the event he is town. Since a nuke has to go off to progress the day at all, a fake nuke at this point would be the best. We should save our real nukes for when we need them.
Nikon says he doesn't think killing L too quickly would be a good thing. And points his FoS at Caller....(he quoted Caller's above post in this post) Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 01:07 Nikon wrote:
Let's not nuke anyone just yet, shall we? While I disagree with L's general plan of nuke retaliation, killing him quickly may prove to be hurtful in the long run, ESPECIALLY if we use nukes. Going towards the ToD so fast isn't good. Your post is pretty suspicious.
And having a player without nukes nuke him? That's not going to accomplish anything, since nuking anyone isn't required to end the day in the first place. P.s. Zona keeps suspicion going at caller on pages 10 and 11. Tree.Huggers vote for L Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 03:04 tree.hugger wrote:
As per the typical Mayor decision to lynch the most inactive person, I say we should just lynch L, and avoid the eventual abrasive spam that will descend on this thread in two days time.
##vote L Versatile (jack ass) Abenson(mason) are the next to vote for L...I shoulda whopped him for that -_- Then JohnnySpazz...(green) Hi Hi Iaaan!! He might be a townie afterall!! Honestly, my suspicions of Iaaan occur later, in pages numbered 40- 55 I think. It's just how his posts are speaking I think. Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 08:27 Iaaan wrote:On March 24 2010 05:55 Abenson wrote:
I will vote for L simply because he is temp-banned and not much help as of now.
##vote L Bullshit, your just hopping on the bandwagon because L called to get you lynched. Revenge voting is stupid. Everyone bandwagoning on L needs to stop, he will be back before day 2, and by killing someone without any posts, what information do we get as town? none. We can lynch L after he comes back if he is action scummy/stupid, it is a waste to do it before. He has contributed with a plan and will be active when he is back. If you think that the day 1 lynch is a crapshoot, your right, but voting for someone just because they are banned for a little bit, especially when they have been actively posting content is retarded, there are plenty of other people who haven't contributed, and who obviously wont bring in any content to the game. Therefor, I am voting for Abenson. Its between him and johnnyspazz who are hopping on the bandwagon. Bandwagonning is scummy, Mafia would love to get someone else killed asap to protect themselves an be able to pass the blame for it, that is the only reason I can think of for voting L without posting any real reasons of, other than just being bad. Think for yourselves, and if your going to follow someone elses ideas, at least choose good ones. ##vote: Abenson I'm just going to leave Fishball's post up to someone else...I can't even see his intentions at all. Lol. He didn't wanna argue with L, but it's obvious by this point L's getting quite the amount of votes. Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 09:13 Fishball wrote:
##Vote: L
Ironically, I don't like retaliation.
Or do I?
So Iaaan starts defending L rather swiftly...and BAM here comes, you guessed it, the all knowing tree.hugger...Rather scummy. Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
Don't let L's reputation for being frightening and wrong discourage you. His guesses haven't gotten better over time, and I doubt a two day break will help his logic sober up.
That man should never be let near a blinking red button, take him out.
Also the 'or worse' clearly means a kind of 'Dr. Strangelove' doomsday device. Purity of Essence, remember, PoE, PoE, Purity of Essence....
+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2010 11:49 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2010 16:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:On March 23 2010 13:39 L wrote:
Hey; Better idea.
Don't fucking nuke anyone at all because we might lose to radiation. First person to nuke gets chain nuked by everyone else. I call this strategy M.A.D. for Mutually Assured Destruction.
Sound awesome? I know it does.
Now for day 1 lynch: Kill abenson. Kid's terribad and not worth keeping alive. Aye....I will make certain to fire many nukes in the interest of assuring mutual destruction if things do not go properly. First step of these talks shall be a statement of bargaining. L, if you bus someone for something for a previous game, I can assure you destruction. Abenson has done nothing improper yet in this game and hasn't even had the opportunity to post. I feel he at least deserves the opportunity to prove he can be a better player. We should first discuss a plan of action. Ace was pretty smart by not telling us what countries were included in this game, otherwise we could of simply called out our countries (not including our arsenals), and seen if the country we had mattered. I'll assume countries with anti-nukes are like day time paramedics. I'm curious if their are ones that protect against night actions. While Zona has a decent plan to deter nuking, it involves a lot of secondary nuking. (One nuke = Two more nukes being fired as retaliation). Then his suggestion of a third party scares me into believing he himself is a third party. Seriously, one retaliatory nuke should be enough. We have no idea how many nukes can actually be fired before we wind up fucked from radiation. Until we hear from every person I don't think we should decide on a lynch candidate. We have 2 days to find a target, let's use them. Everyone post an overall strategy, don't just cosign someone elses. I support L's M.A.D. only because I will not let someone bully me, or force a band wagon when half a day hasn't even went by yet. Be wary of following L too hard. I don't support holding grudges like that. Also, Abenson, remember this: I'm only defending for now because you haven't posted. If you continue with your habitual one liners, I may be forced to side with L and support some corrective actions. Don't take this lightly. L is rather amazing at creating band wagons, but I see people have become atleast mildly fed up with his strong grudge holding. We also have no need to day lynch, remember this. We can start shit and throw suspicion as much as possible. Ace said we need a majority of players, and once he notices, the days over. No changing your vote after that. Day cycle ends. This can hurt us severely. Everyone must be active or else we will be thoroughly fucked. Keep yourselves read up on the thread at the least, don't miss anything. If you see a bandwagon, hesitate. Don't just jump on it because you might just wind up ending the day and regret it later. Good Luck. Let's try and play nice. Going back a few pages... Sup, North Korea, I hope you aren't still hoping to throw all those nukes around, or maybe you will be the one to lynch day 1. I like your posts, but make sure you are clear. I can see why people are voting for you, need to be less ambiguous. ^_^ Haha...N.K. comment... Another confirmed townie votes for L Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 21:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I will be later tonight and can read everything, but at the moment I don't have time. I have class 10-6 EST but can read after that. I will vote for L just in case I don't get back in time.
##I vote for L Now...this post comes at what I'd like to consider a more crucial time...and D3 hasn't said much so this is a little out of place...Abenson and me were gaining votes, and now would be a good time for the mafia to start voting L. He was still, or was almost, the vote leader at the point. Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 01:06 d3_crescentia wrote:
Lunchtiem. Don't really feel too strongly for anyone right now, though I'd rather vote L than Abenson, because L could dick over the town way harder. Abenson, well, doesn't really *do* anything so we can lynch him anytime.
##vote L I role claimed around this time, and then Zona jumps to my aid...LMNOP was trying to still get Abenson lynched or atleast considers it an option still...so its kinda weird here...-_-...I dunno...And Xelin comes to my aid...weird... Show nested quote +On March 25 2010 07:28 XeliN wrote:
I'm going to ##vote Elemenope . He has contributed alot and from what I have read I don't see how it is possible that he would argue for lynching one of OpZ and Abenson, now we know they are confirmed, from a pro-town perspective.
Other than that I would switch to voting for the least active poster if it means getting a majority. I'll post a little more on the importance of most of this. Versatile (? Jack ass?) JohnnySpazz (Green)) Abenson (blue) ~OpZ~ (Blue RoL (Blue/Green) Tree.Hugger (Nuked L (medic) without agreement) Fishball ( -_- ) Might be missing a few, very tired....2 hours of sleep. And hung over. This is my composition of notes for you all to see...Lots of posts sifted through to find out what about this L situation went down....and now I'm mildly disappointed... I propose Fishball be DT checked tonight, if their is a role with night role checks.
I was fairly vocal about not lynching L while he was banned, there was nothing that made him look scummy, and nothing to be learned from his allignment since he didnt have any posts. Once he came back and started posting, I started wanting him dead, for reasons that are obviously incorrect now. Thus, I didn't want L dead because he was a strong opponent, helping the town, I wanted him dead because I thought he could be mafia, and because I wanted to be a little more conservative with anti nukes.
At this point, on day 2, I would vote for caller, d3, fishball, or xelin, whoever has the best chance of getting the majority of votes.
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and I would like to point out the irony:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2010 15:23 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 15:00 Iaaan wrote:
I want to point out that the mafia will have been sitting around laughing at us while we were screwing ourselves. There was no reason for them to post anything to screw up the town because we were doing it for them. So the people who haven't posted much in a reasonable amount of time I think should be called attention to:
2. d3_crescentia
3. JeeJee
7. Amber[LighT]
8. Caller
12. Zona
14. Fishball
16. meeple
18. Nikon
20. nemy
People who voted against L originally for no reason other than that he was banned are Fishball and d3. Versatile and tree.hugger also voted for L for no reason, and used nukes stupidly. These four people are who I think should be lynched. Verse will probably be hit with a nuke soon.
Verse and tree.hugger both nuked L, looking at it from a mafia's perspective, they would know that L is town, and a veteran/useful player; thus they would have motivation to nuke him past just being pissed off at him.
And I can see why people are suspicious of me, I haven't really been posting much rational behind my thoughts, but just my thoughts themselves. I've been busy/lazy, but like foolishness says, no one cares. But I acknowledge the accusations at least, and will try to respond to them, and point to people that I think are more suspicious than me. well, if i was mafia, i wouldn't be getting hit with a nuke, now would i? c'mon. you've seriously got some work to do on your game face. On March 28 2010 15:28 Ace wrote:Missile Launch detected!![[image loading]](http://jeremayakovka.typepad.com/jeremayakovka/images/qassam_rocket_dud.jpg) Missiles from Bill Murray streak towards Versatile. As the missiles break the skyline the General looks on in terror. Suddenly he looks closely at the warheads and asks "Are those pies on the warheads?" The missiles end up damaging part of the city, but they are not nuclear.Versatile survives the attack!
Missiles launched in retaliation by Versatile will strike BM at 15:42 KST!
Missiles launched by L towards Caller will strike at 10:09 KST!
Nukes in the air: 2
Nukes detonated: 2
Radiation levels: low
Day currently ends at 10:09 KST March29th Not that I think verse should be lynched atm.
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*to clarify my above post, I dont think that it makes verse scummy, merely that it was funny o:
On March 29 2010 02:26 JeeJee wrote:
oh you have got to be shitting me, eh?
here's my addition to the current shitstorm. zona brought up a point where someone went "oh lul u want the night to start?? eager to use up your abilities huh?" implying him mafia. sure that's all well and good, we all know mafia get a nightkill this game, but hey. did you all forget L flipped medic? that means we also probably have the typical night roles like DTs in this game too. thing is.. the shorter the game is, the less useful they are. and at this rate i'm not even sure we'll ever get a rolecheck out of them before we blow the shit out of each other.
i mean for fuck's sake, do you realize this day started on march TWENTY THIRD? like SIX DAYS AGO? we have been launching nukes for 133 hours now. and of course there's at least another 24 hours of it thanks to canada eh. of course i can't blame him because he's quite likely townie and he *is* nuking a target that's been suggested by quite a few people. it's just that, hey, it's like the seventh nuke fired before night1. as douglas adams' Mr. L. Prosser would say -- "what a day"
now i believe L suggested me and haster nuking tree.hugger and xelin. i'm giving weight to this particular suggestion because he is confirmed townie. well, tree.hugger i suppose is no longer a choice at this point, but xelin's still there. i'd like to point out, for the umpteenth time, how i feel about nukes. if the majority wants xelin to get shot, fine, haster or I can probably take care of that. but if you think i am going to nuke without town consensus you're out of your fucking mind. i already made it quite clear that my stance is "say no to nukes" and gee, maybe this current shitstorm will help you see why.
all these inactivity lists that were brought up are quite interesting actually. i think suspects like d3 and fishball (i outlined them earlier as well) should definitely be looked at as lynch (or nuke... /rolleyes) targets. but hey, instead we're fucking nuking all willy-nilly. whatever works right? OH WAIT WE HAVEN'T EXPLODED A SINGLE RED NOW HAVE WE
grrrr
If your planning to nuke please do it soon so we can get on to day 2 T.T
or just don't nuke/wait O:
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