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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
But, I'm changing my vote to BC, simply because he looks like the candidate that is easiest to hold accountable. L is quite ambiguous. Not answering questions/confirming things and posting lots of walls of text. Also, I think that whichever of the three doesn't win will probably be the first person lynched if they aren't mafia. | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On March 12 2010 09:08 Iaaan wrote: I originally voted for incognito just because I thought it would be nice to protect a veteran who posts alot. No ses pools of noobiness/inactivty. But, I'm changing my vote to BC, simply because he looks like the candidate that is easiest to hold accountable. L is quite ambiguous. Not answering questions/confirming things and posting lots of walls of text. Also, I think that whichever of the three doesn't win will probably be the first person lynched if they aren't mafia. I originally dismissed L as well for his hoity-toity posting, but after reading his posts more closely, I am pretty convinced he's town-aligned. I wouldn't say his posts are gems "chock full of chocolatey goodness," but they DO have a lot of substance. It's just that his rhetoric/phrasing make it very easy to miss what he implies. As such, I don't think he should be readily dismissed as a candidate just because he is not confirming things... My personal guess would be that he's vigil/bus driver. | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
On March 12 2010 09:27 madnessman wrote: I originally dismissed L as well for his hoity-toity posting, but after reading his posts more closely, I am pretty convinced he's town-aligned. I wouldn't say his posts are gems "chock full of chocolatey goodness," but they DO have a lot of substance. It's just that his rhetoric/phrasing make it very easy to miss what he implies. As such, I don't think he should be readily dismissed as a candidate just because he is not confirming things... My personal guess would be that he's vigil/bus driver. I also think L is town, for the reasons Incognito addressed. If L wins and is checked if he is town aligned, we could assume that Incognito is also town aligned. If all of the members running for candidacy are town aligned, that is a huge advantage for the town. If we can get two of us in the office, I think the game will be easy win for us. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 12 2010 09:08 Iaaan wrote: I originally voted for incognito just because I thought it would be nice to protect a veteran who posts alot. No ses pools of noobiness/inactivty. But, I'm changing my vote to BC, simply because he looks like the candidate that is easiest to hold accountable. L is quite ambiguous. Not answering questions/confirming things and posting lots of walls of text. Also, I think that whichever of the three doesn't win will probably be the first person lynched if they aren't mafia. I kinda want to address this point because it seems to be a recurrent theme. Someone here is trying to get me to roleclaim when its entirely possible that I don't make it into office. Why? Why would anyone claim prior to having protection? The only real 'question' that people are asking me is "are you a DT?" and I've already said I'm not going to overtly claim. There are a few hints here and there, but that's just so that when I actually do declare my candidacy, i'll be able to say "look back here, like 2 minutes after the game started, I was hinting since there and as such its unlikely that I'm GF". So no, I'm not being 'ambiguous'. I've been pretty solid on this point. I'm simply not roleclaiming day 1 when I might not have BG protection. I don't see why ANYONE in the game would do otherwise. If you want to look at the 'ambiguous' characters, look at the people waffling around and rephrasing what's been going on to suit their need to discredit people who are probably town. Someone said Cobbler claimed overtly; He didn't. Someone said I claimed DT; I didn't. Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not. Its just an interesting piling on of small modifications to what I'm saying, and what's going on in the thread, which results in this broken telephone effect. So please, feel free to go back to the source and READ. This is the last time I ask people to do that. If anyone else would like to actually propose a town strategy or provide some analysis on people or the format, feel free to, but it seems that people are getting by with day one accusatory one liners instead of actual thought. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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d3_crescentia
United States4053 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not. Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing. ii'm a little confused here | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On March 12 2010 11:15 d3_crescentia wrote: If we all vote before then, does the day get to end early? Well, since my schedule is somewhat rigid right now, I'm afraid not. Also, more importantly: since votes tend to change at the last minute, that element of the game should not be removed. Votes are not 'locked' until the time ends. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 12 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote: i i'm a little confused here it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver"  | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote: it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver" Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
PM INSTRUCTIONS PLZ | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
Also if you don't win the election and your not red, your dead night 1 anyway. A veteran who has been hinting he is blue? why would the mafia pass that opportunity up? I don't see how not claiming at this point protects you. I hope you have a good plan that justifies you hinting instead of roleclaiming. Even if you roleclaim once you win, DT is still easier to confirm than any other town role. | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On March 12 2010 14:29 Iaaan wrote: I actually changed my mind about what I said about L, your posts do add alot to the game IMO, but again BC is easier to hold accountable that the other candidates for his actions if he is false claiming DT. Unless im mistaken, your saying your not a DT, which to me seems like the only confirmable role. A mafia pretending to be a medic can simply say they are protecting someone, then simply not hit them at all. A vigilantee is a one time use, and a you could just use one of your mafia KP to fake a vigi hit. Vets are probably better to not be in office. If your green and you have a 'larger plan,' thats great, but again it seems fakeable and probably less useful than a DT in office. Also if you don't win the election and your not red, your dead night 1 anyway. A veteran who has been hinting he is blue? why would the mafia pass that opportunity up? I don't see how not claiming at this point protects you. I hope you have a good plan that justifies you hinting instead of roleclaiming. Even if you roleclaim once you win, DT is still easier to confirm than any other town role. The problem with that is that for the medic to actually convincingly look pro-town, they have to claim that they're protecting good pro-town players. Which in itself limits the mafia killing pool to sub-optimal players. The thing that throws a wrench in this is the mafia-aligned bus driver, however. While difficult to prove, it would obviously look fishy when the elected official says "oops it must have been the mafia aligned bus driver!" I don't think there's that much to worry about there. Vig is confirmable. You'll know when theres 3 hits instead of 2. All these examples you give are plausible yes, but it would make the elected official super suspicious and would likely result in the official's death. I don't think theres much to worry about there. May I ask, how is BC easier to hold to account than the other candidates? | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Unless im mistaken, your saying your not a DT, which to me seems like the only confirmable role. No, I'm saying I'm not claiming until the night comes. You know, like i spelled out explicitly in my last.. 5 posts. Repeatedly. I'm getting tired of saying this. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3468 Posts
A) Balance wise, it is more than likely that one of the runners is mafia. This has happened many times in terms of distribution, for those that doesnt know rol distribution is not completely random. B) Having a mafia in the office is a lot worse this game imo. At least other times/games mafia member in the office was reduced to a)troll the town as long as he could, b) waste any resources given to him. Normally this ends up with a lynch day 2~4 because it gets plain obvious when the mafia official is not doing what he meant when he was running and because theres not that much he can do to hurt the town. However, with 2 KP and noclue setup it is highly unlikely that a mafia official can be spotted that quickly. C) Blues should be running for the office. However this is not completely sure in this case, since Incognito, BC and L are good enough to run even with a less powerful rol /green or vet/ D) Activity is the only thing we can get other than votes to nail mafia. In this case im afraid a lot of players have misunderstood active with "posting". As long as we spam less important stuff it is as if we werent posting. Not trying to be a douche, but please try to be as accurate and put some weight in the posting. This is critical to help the town identify if you are really trying to help or just posting to note that you are not inactive. E) There are various nonvoters up to now. This is scary as hell combined with A. With just 1~3 mafia in this list we are going to get in trouble. 8. johnnyspazz 10. sidesprang 17. d3_crescentia 18. L 21. Foolishness 25. BloodyC0bbler So with all these things im proposing myself to fill one of the spots. Malongo is Running For Officials My platform is based on: A) I have a "decent" skill at reading the strategy from the mafia. This has been agreed from various veteran players. Most of the time i work on my own private analisys that i put up when it is better for the town. B) I feel im very valuable at the middle~late game state. I ve came up with some half decent plays like the ghetto checklists, and other stuff from the setup. C) Im a town player in the sense that i ve always tried my best to support the town. If it is good for the town to sacrifice me ill do it gladly. D) I always come up with this at the begginnig of the game: first day is more than anything a random start, where we cant be sure about anything. If my process is right there is at least one mafia in those 3. That is a high chance that we will put a good mafia player in the office. By adding myself at this stage im giving another chance to the town since it is quite unlikely that there are 2 or 3 mafias running in a group of 4. Thats it. I expect my late run doesnt look really that weird since it is likely that i dont get votes anyways  | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Did you finally get picked for the mafia team? If not, are you claiming blue by running? Who would you kill if voted mayor and who would you like to get voted in if you can't get in? Sleep time, but I EXPECT ANSWERS. | ||
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