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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 11 2010 21:06 GMT
#381
On March 12 2010 05:23 Bill Murray wrote:
How many more times can we quote L's 70 line post on one page? Should we try for a third?

How many more times can we quote it and put up relatively content-free comments?

nemY, step up to the plate and answer your own question.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 11 2010 21:09 GMT
#382
Not "relatively content-free" but completely empty one-liners. Insert gay smiley-face about here. To show I'm a friendly chap and all. Wink-wink.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
March 11 2010 21:14 GMT
#383
On March 12 2010 05:23 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote:
L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . .
It doesn't add up, brah
Not really.

It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too.

The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game.

The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play.

That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad.

If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim.

That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town.


How many more times can we quote L's 70 line post on one page? Should we try for a third?


I'm a little worried about this three person election thing. I mean, it normally comes down to three people in the end anyway, but it seems like we've just been presented with three candidates who announced really early, and intimidated everyone else into not running. Two candidates have roleclaimed DT, which seems more than a little implausible, especially because both players are veteran players.

Incognito is the only person untainted so far, but that really means nothing. XeliN isn't a serious candidate, and neither is Bill Murray either, but perhaps that means we might be better off trusting them?

I think rolechecks on our elected officials are paramount early in this game, just to check the assertions these players have made so far. Curiously, if L is said to actually be the detective, there might be more reason to suspect him. It's ironic I think, that BC and L would look more like the godfather if they seem to be who they claimed to be.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 11 2010 21:19 GMT
#384
I'm serious about wanting to win, but even I'll admit that I would prefer 2 of the 3 main candidates in office if only I knew they were blue... or even green.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 11 2010 21:21 GMT
#385
On March 12 2010 06:14 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2010 05:23 Bill Murray wrote:
On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote:
L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . .
It doesn't add up, brah
Not really.

It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too.

The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game.

The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play.

That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad.

If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim.

That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town.


How many more times can we quote L's 70 line post on one page? Should we try for a third?


I'm a little worried about this three person election thing. I mean, it normally comes down to three people in the end anyway, but it seems like we've just been presented with three candidates who announced really early, and intimidated everyone else into not running. Two candidates have roleclaimed DT, which seems more than a little implausible, especially because both players are veteran players.

Incognito is the only person untainted so far, but that really means nothing. XeliN isn't a serious candidate, and neither is Bill Murray either, but perhaps that means we might be better off trusting them?

I think rolechecks on our elected officials are paramount early in this game, just to check the assertions these players have made so far. Curiously, if L is said to actually be the detective, there might be more reason to suspect him. It's ironic I think, that BC and L would look more like the godfather if they seem to be who they claimed to be.


Wrong. Zero candidates have roleclaimed DT.

Vivi claimed like a retard and exposed cobbler.

I've never claimed DT.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 11 2010 21:24 GMT
#386
BC did confirm vivi's story though. He also said he was going to publicly role-claim for himself anyway before the election.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 11 2010 22:13 GMT
#387
On March 12 2010 06:24 citi.zen wrote:
BC did confirm vivi's story though. He also said he was going to publicly role-claim for himself anyway before the election.

Completely irrelevant. He said that after Vivi pulled a retard. Its one thing to claim, its another to say you'd have claimed when the actual claiming's been done.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 11 2010 22:17 GMT
#388
Declaration:
I think it's really hard for me to post anything BUT 1-liners unless I have something important or I am trying to argue a point or protecting myself. Therefore from now on I will simply post 1-liners in order to state my mood/thoughts on the current matter

P.S. I'm kinda lazy to update my post in the archives
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
March 11 2010 22:37 GMT
#389
Interesting here. I have limited time, have to go to work soon, but I have this strange feeling that all the top three probable GF contenders are all town. If that is the case, our advantage is huge. Imba, maybe, but plausible, in which case we keep a strong eye on Malongo/Foolishness/Fishball.

Reasons why I think L is town: He wants to be rolechecked. He wants to kill green officeholders. Which means he's either blue or GF. If he's GF, it will be hard to fake a blue role. I don't think a mafia would forcefully put themselves on the spot so willingly. For now, I see L as a pretty safe choice.

Reasons why I think BC is town: He says that he claimed to three people. Claiming DT to three people is a pretty bad idea if you're mafia. You'd preferably keep it to one so you can kill off that member if you decide you are being found out. Now we don't have proof about the other two people he told, but I don't know if he'd make that bad of a lie. Who knows. I'll think about it some more. We still have one more day to decide who we want for positions.

Will post some more later tonight.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
March 11 2010 22:48 GMT
#390
On March 12 2010 07:37 Incognito wrote:
Interesting here. I have limited time, have to go to work soon, but I have this strange feeling that all the top three probable GF contenders are all town. If that is the case, our advantage is huge. Imba, maybe, but plausible, in which case we keep a strong eye on Malongo/Foolishness/Fishball.

Reasons why I think L is town: He wants to be rolechecked. He wants to kill green officeholders. Which means he's either blue or GF. If he's GF, it will be hard to fake a blue role. I don't think a mafia would forcefully put themselves on the spot so willingly. For now, I see L as a pretty safe choice.

Reasons why I think BC is town: He says that he claimed to three people. Claiming DT to three people is a pretty bad idea if you're mafia. You'd preferably keep it to one so you can kill off that member if you decide you are being found out. Now we don't have proof about the other two people he told, but I don't know if he'd make that bad of a lie. Who knows. I'll think about it some more. We still have one more day to decide who we want for positions.

Will post some more later tonight.


Or you could be mafia O.o.

I think L is acting really scummy and stupidly or playing smart. Its really hard to tell at this point. He is claiming a blue role of some kind, but he's not telling us what it is. I think at this point I would prefer BC to win because he seems like a bit of a safer choice at this point, and by straight up confirming DT we could check his role more easily then L's mystery role.
One does not simply walk into mordor
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 11 2010 22:49 GMT
#391
L, I really don't like how your posting has progressed. After hinting that you were the DT and using that as part of your campaign (which was fine by me), now you're backpedalling and stating that the obvious interpretation of your previous statements aren't correct. Whenever the town tries to get clarification on what you're trying to state - all you say is "you can't read" rather than actually clarifying whatever you stated before. You're clouding up the discussion and not being helpful to the town.

On the other hand, no matter how strange the beginning to Bloodycobbler's claim was, he is now being entirely clear on his claim on being the DT, not leading us around in circles like you are doing. Of course stating clearly that one is the DT doesn't mean that the likelihood of him being the DT is higher, but we can measure his claim against his behavior in the future and rein him in if we figure out that he's not the DT.

You, on the other hand, look like you want to get elected on your hint of being the DT which you seem to be preparing to retract, and if you are eventually elected and then claim to not be the DT, the rest of us have a lot less to work with to hold you to account.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 11 2010 23:04 GMT
#392
Incog when the players are being assigned roles are they given with that in mind, i.e. making sure both town and mafia have veteran players or is it simply random?
Adonai bless
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 11 2010 23:10 GMT
#393
On March 12 2010 08:04 XeliN wrote:
Incog when the players are being assigned roles are they given with that in mind, i.e. making sure both town and mafia have veteran players or is it simply random?


Depends on the host
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 11 2010 23:11 GMT
#394
Completely randomized through a number generator.
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 11 2010 23:12 GMT
#395
I asked earlier - flamewheel states he uses random number generators.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 11 2010 23:12 GMT
#396
On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little
Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension.

Easy on the flames please.
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 11 2010 23:14 GMT
#397
oops...and I can't edit to remove that and remove my "shame".

Well to make this post useful:

Since there's only 3 people running serious campaigns, and the mafia is likely to have organized a campaign for one of their own - which one (or more) of the current candidates does everyone think is a bit fishy?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 11 2010 23:18 GMT
#398
On March 12 2010 08:14 Zona wrote:
oops...and I can't edit to remove that and remove my "shame".

Well to make this post useful:

Since there's only 3 people running serious campaigns, and the mafia is likely to have organized a campaign for one of their own - which one (or more) of the current candidates does everyone think is a bit fishy?


Also keep in mind that all three of us ran semi quickly. Mafia will usually wait to field someone unless the person running is someone who always runs for office.

That still keeps the suspicion on me and L as we typically always run, but mafia don't always run people for office.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 11 2010 23:33 GMT
#399
On March 12 2010 07:49 Zona wrote:
L, I really don't like how your posting has progressed. After hinting that you were the DT and using that as part of your campaign (which was fine by me), now you're backpedalling and stating that the obvious interpretation of your previous statements aren't correct. Whenever the town tries to get clarification on what you're trying to state - all you say is "you can't read" rather than actually clarifying whatever you stated before. You're clouding up the discussion and not being helpful to the town.

On the other hand, no matter how strange the beginning to Bloodycobbler's claim was, he is now being entirely clear on his claim on being the DT, not leading us around in circles like you are doing. Of course stating clearly that one is the DT doesn't mean that the likelihood of him being the DT is higher, but we can measure his claim against his behavior in the future and rein him in if we figure out that he's not the DT.

You, on the other hand, look like you want to get elected on your hint of being the DT which you seem to be preparing to retract, and if you are eventually elected and then claim to not be the DT, the rest of us have a lot less to work with to hold you to account.

I didn't run on hinting I was the DT. Other people took my posts to mean that. Please don't impute what others have said to me, because that's really shitty play and it lets people do things like what I did to redtooth for shits and giggles.

I said I was glad people were reading carefully, that's all. I'm actually quite surprised people haven't gone back and decided to read carefully, because if anything my real hint was in that set of instructions.

No i'm not going to overtly claim before the voting is completed; I'd rather not have mafia know exactly what they're up against, especially if I need to keep it under wraps until tonight to let it work. I much prefer seeing people scramble and throw around accusations when they get scared, because that tells me mafia is probably not happy with the prospect of 2 blues being voted into office.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 11 2010 23:56 GMT
#400
when are elections over?
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