[GG] Mafia XII - The Summer Season - Page 43

1. The fear of spiders: Falcynn's TL blog has an entry about fearing black widows. We've found no one else that links to this odd passage.
2. His quote is from an aquabats song, bat sonar may have helped him find Plexa under rubble. (weak)
3. Radar may have to do with the loud noise from Day 2. (weak)
4. His video of the Takagi Masakatsu song, "Girls", is psychedelic.
5. He has a vampire reference in his TL blog. Falcynn says he was just asking about Twilight, however, it asks the rhetorical question "It has vampires so it much be awesome right?
6. His twilight noobiness could be why Mr Julia is described as new to the mafia.
7. Another video he has shows ipods changing through the colors of the rainbow.
8. Falcynn has a blog post about how bad the smell is in his town. Maybe he removed his nose because of it? (weak, but I've yet to find anything else on this except Michael Jackson in LucasWoJ's profile)
9. The military training thing could be linked to the fact that Falcynn has been training for a TL Altitude team (Altitude is an airplane warfare game).

Why the Vampire link is the best bet for Mr Julia
a. It fits with the pouncing. If you've seen recent vampire movie Let the Right One In, you'll know vampires often pounce on necks and leave their enemies in "a bloody pulp" like fishball.
b. In day one, bodies are hung up and there is "Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground". This is just like how the vampire in Let the Right One In is fed by her servant.
c. A vampire might experience the problem Mr Julia has with circulation (passing out, pulsating) because their hearts atrophy away.
d. Mr Julia waits until 3:14 am and is not used to such conditions and therefore must hurry. Could be the sunrise that is worrying him.
e. Mr Julia's skin turns yellow - this fits with a newbie vampire as shown in the vampire biology site I linked earlier in the thread.
f. After Judge gets taken by Mr Julia, L finds his fresh blood all over the place, Judge's blood might be fresh because he didn't get killed, but is instead being slowly drained for food.
g. "All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home." Could be indicative of a blood lust episode.

There are are few other people that link to vampires, but Falcynn is the closest / only one that doesn't require google.

Anyone who's played mafia before (and Falcynn has) knows clues are less helpful in the game, certainly less helpful than lowered KP. Also, note he acts like we might never want to use our assassins.

AFTER PEOPLE CALL HIM OUT FOR INACTIVITY:



He admits being inactive and says he'll catch up, then doesn't do anything. Classic mafia behavior, doing the bare minimum, not doing anything to help the town.

AFTER HE GETS CAUGHT ON THE FEAR OF SPIDER CLUE FROM DAY 1, HE TRIPLE POSTS FRANTICALLY:



He admits he looks suspicious and then says it would be worse if he was helping.



He admits he was bandwagoning (covering for trying to save TruthBringer).



He realizes his defense is sketchy (one of his order probably told him) so he tries to fix it and promises to do something to help town, which he hasn't. Note what is NOT in here: a reason not to vote for him. Other than he'll do his best, which he hasn't been doing and he has told us he sucks. Why this often works for mafia: If the mafia give you reasons to not lynch them, it will trigger the logical parts of your brain, and you will begin to weigh the evidence against him versus the evidence in support of him. It'll be overwhelmingly against him and so you'll vote for him. But if he just praises you for suspecting him, you will be liable to never think logically and just let him go / forget.

LATER:



This would have been nice if it was his first response, but again it was late and probably coached. Again he beats himself up to avoid rational debate, and puts the case against him in the worst possible light and basically just calls it names rather than responding.

YDG Why he is Mafia.

So, we come down to the last bit of game. I have opted for a different approach this game than normal. The town leadership although “won” by me will be directly placed on MBH when he revives, why you ask? Because he is confimed townie. As such I have gone out of my way to get reactions out of players, and observe how they react/were acting before said post. YDG is the most prominent of these people.

Now we will analyze why

On July 03 2009 03:03 ydg wrote:
Can we repeatedly vote for the same weather options? Like snow/snow/snow/snow/snow? And the weather takes effect the night and the next day, right, so if we voted for fog that means that tomorrow's vote checks wouldn't show pledges?

Anyways I'm stuck between snow and rain. Day 1 clues are always weak because they're mostly red herrings so more clues would be nice, but with a KP of 5 and only 30 townies, mafia needs 5 days to win, so it might be a good idea to limit their KP until we can kill some mafia and lower it that way.


On July 03 2009 03:18 ydg wrote:
I wouldn't say that rain is useless, especially early game. Early game, mafia can either hit blindly, try to snipe, or take out people talking a lot. It's easier to block hits if they do the last two, which usually happens early game. Hitting blindly isn't going to help them that much.
Regardless, I voted for snow.
Oh and got my role.


On July 03 2009 03:21 ydg wrote:
Wait.
"The option with the most votes will be announced during the lynching and the weather will change immediately."

Vote for fog.
I assume lynching for day 1 means the election, so we do fog during the election, since you can't even list check mayor voting lists, and we have them lose some hits for the night. And then tomorrow we change the fog to snow and they can list check. Unless there is no weather for tonight.


Look at these time stamps people, within the span of 20ish minutes, he has argues snow/rain/fog. Saying he voted for snow, then asking people to vote fog. You wonder why is this an issue, well that’s a good point. See, common mafia tactic is to appear to be active, as this is, even appear to be helpful which it does, HOWEVER, by constant flipflopping and not enforcing one idealogy off sound reasoning, we instead have someone trying to create chaos and disruption. We move on.

On July 03 2009 05:12 ydg wrote:
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On July 03 2009 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I think Snow will actually not be that helpful this early because getting twice as many Day 1 clues is probably not going to be that helpful. We don't know how Plexa is doing clues either... KP is... holy fuck 5! So I guess that means at least 5 clues per day post and Snow probably doubles that? Maybe Snow just adds a constant number or multiplies the clue number by less than 2, who knows... OK nvm, we wouldn't get more Day 1 clues but Day 2 clues so this could be pretty helpful.


Not necessarily, since Plexa could do clues where only a few mafia have clues linked to them each day. But I agree, until we know how clues are, if they're tidbits from the mafia's profile/whatever else and expressed through traits such as physical traits, tendency to use a weapon, or what not, or if the tidbits are just shown in the scene.
Or if Plexa draws heavily on a theme or if he picks from this and that, we don't know yet.


Wait a second He just advocated voting fog, now we are back to saying snow is useful for day 1, and tries to once again express this is a good idea. Constant try to keep conversation on a bad bad idea, he even ignores the fact that fog will lower KP, when 5 is insanely high for such a low player game.

On July 03 2009 10:12 ydg wrote:
I disagree with spamming fog, but I agree that fog should be used day one.
List checking is one of the most effective tools, and, as pledges can only be found via list checks, if we spam fog, we will have no sure way of hitting pledge as opposed to hitting regular mafia.


Here he doesn’t like the fog option repeatedly as he doesn’t believe we can hit pledges without list checks (fog has been deemed smartest choice overall by player base for day 1) Once again he wants us to let mafia have highest KP possible.

On July 05 2009 15:18 ydg wrote:
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On July 05 2009 14:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ydg as he tends to go inactive for alot of a game in most games (sorry bud but inactives kill the game)




I'd post more but it seems like there's not much to discuss now?
Tbh I only go inactive when I'm mafia lol.

I'd clue analyze but it's only day 1. I like to wait until at least day 2 to start looking at it.


On July 05 2009 15:25 ydg wrote:
Okay assuming Plexa is going with mafia have their own eccentricities and quirks and their own traits, here are a few weird things I found...
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On July 03 2009 21:44 Plexa wrote:
"were strung up on lines like a human clothes line."

"He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device."
"he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck."

"You will all pay for what you have done to me”.


So so far only two characters have been mentioned, "tall and lanky" and "Mr. Explosive." I THINK that the person who killed Plexa was another person, perhaps a stealthy person (like a ninja, why is there always a ninja).

Also, the "strung up on lines like a human clothes line" is VERY strange, what a weird way to phrase an odd scene.

And of course, the note.
But, being day 1, I can't think much of these except a preliminary outline of how clues will be?


He mentions how he doesn’t like to clue analyze day 1(very intelligent I will give) then proceeds to CLUE ANALYZE, only after I called him out, WHY would you start doing something you said you don’t like doing when that reason was acceptable, instead he tries his best to be on the side of the town, but hes trying to hard all too fast as the next message will show.

On July 05 2009 15:39 ydg wrote:
Btw,
8/8 Mafia alive. (Current killing power = 5)
1/1 Suicide Bomner alive.
1/1 Godfather alive.

so, 6 non-Godfather, non-Bomber mafia.

With fog...

6 pledges, 1 non, 1 god => 3/2+1/2+1=3 total hits
5/2/1=>5/4+1+1=13/4=3.25=4 total hits
4/3/1=>1+3/2+1=7/2=3.5=4 total hits
3/4/1=>3/4+2+1=15/4=3.75=4 total hits
2/5/1=>1/2+5/2+1=4 total hits
1/6/1=>1/4+3+1=4.25=5 total hits

So not bad for reducing KP by 1. I guess we can always figure out a way to get pledges without the voting list check.


This bit of math has basically been covered at least once by this point, I will even quote it (check timestamps)

On July 03 2009 08:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Pyrr that has to be at least 4 pledges 3 reg pledges + 1 for suicide bomber. (it says one pledge is a suicide bomber ie should count as a pledge).

Otherwise the KP of 5 is way to high for day 1.
38 players - 8 red = 30/5= 6 days needed to kill us (provided no lynches used) If we lynch townies incorrectly it drops even lower.

So fog should drop the KP of the mafia by 1 or possibly 2 to even it out. It also gives us an idea of how many pledges in the game there are.


As for your equation
all mafia give .5 cept for gf. so mafia looks to have a starting KP of 4.5 rounded up. so math should be as followed.

say 2 pledges total
3.5 - (.5 x 2/2) =3

then 3 + 1(gf kp)
mafia has 4 kp. the only way their KP isnt lowered is if there is exactly 1 pledge.



So we have a rehashed equation in more depth that tells us basically what we already know (the detail is useless as the result is the same as I had already mentioned). He is rehashing old info, even making it look prettier to slide under the radar.

On July 06 2009 02:37 ydg wrote:
Actively reading the thread? More like coming in randomly to catch up, and seeing how there's nothing happening and so not saying anything. What, do you want me to say something stupid. like sup, every time I come to the thread?

But it's okay, I understand your position, you don't have any legit suspects so you pick on people who you say will be inactive.

And if you actually did any research into me, you'll realize that I almost always vote even if I don't post in the thread, and this is construed as inactive how?

Whatever. Non-voters:
L
inertinept
clasic
kuja
rebirth
scamp

Looking at the high number of abstains, I'd say it's unlikely that either of the two candidates are mafia.


On July 06 2009 02:48 ydg wrote:
Oh and what the hell do you mean I sat back doing nothing? Go back and read the thread maybe, like on page 1 or 2 maybe and, OH MY GOD I ACTUALLY POSTED QUITE A BIT in fact, I was the one who SUGGESTED we do fog first???

Whatever. Once we get mafia down to 4 kp (not due to weather), if the priest role claims publically and all angels protect the priest, and we vote rain every day, mafia will have no way of killing the priest. And, as the ability travels between people, we get more and more confirmed townies. And if mafia decides to role claim priest, the real priest should speak up, but I guess then there will have to be some trust in deciding who the real priest is.


Two posts very close to eachother (time difference obvious in time to write the messages pretty well). Both are directly attributed to me calling him out. Then moving onto another list of people to look at (look they didn’t vote). Then, he wants us to concentrate on finding the priest is, ok that’s not to bad of an idea…..wait, he wants to keep using priests ability to get confirmed townies in the works… Does he not realize that’s useless. Unless we get perfect lynches going for awhile (or assassin hits) mafia can wipe us out in 6 days, we won’t have the time to swap the priest role for that list, as the game wont last that long.

On July 06 2009 09:27 ydg wrote:
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On July 06 2009 07:48 Lenwe wrote:

There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.

Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.


Quite a lot is revealed about Mr. Julia. He is new to the mafia (a first time player?). He is a safe cracking expert and, I might be mistaken, but I believe there could be something wrong with his body, considering his reaction to getting burned and him passing out when kicking his victim. As all three other members instantly knew what had happened, I think this is a clue as well.



The Mr. Julia thing may be a nod towards the pledge-ness of the mafioso member. Or it may be that Mr. Julia is an inept person who burned himself and then couldn't control his rage.


he added very little information to a brief summary of a mafia member, again, appears to be more useful than he is actually being, subtle mafia trick.

On July 06 2009 09:33 ydg wrote:
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The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.





Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.



side by side comparisons of the only two people we can pinpoint as the exact same from day 1.
Aside from explosions and tall guy, anything else stand out?

EDIT: "The two began setting the device" vs "As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted." so they both require some sort of preparation or some sort of planning. Might be insignificant.


Makes mention to similarities of people that L had already made in his huge post on why to kill Truthbringer. Again he is rehashing information given in an attempt to be “active and useful”. But its not real use, its rehashing information.

On July 06 2009 13:29 ydg wrote:
@foxglove seeds, if you do a simple google search, you see that they are poisonous, which may either be a byproduct of the script or a key indication of the mafioso. But, unless Plexa is some sort of botanist or whatever that works with poisonous foxglove seeds (I've never heard of them before), how does he get foxglove seeds as a weapon o_O.
Remember, Plexa goes (probably) from INFO->CLUE and so we need to see what links TO foxglove seeds and not what foxgloves seeds links to.

How is Plexa going to go from "The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all" to foxglove? When someone shows me this connection, I'll vote Araav. But for now, it seems that the people who are adamantly trying to get him lynched are very suspicious.

Also, clues tend to NOT be many things from a person's profile, but a few select details (from my experience, Plexa may be doing it differently) that are heavily emphasized. Thus the vx70GTOJudgexv is very weak, imo, because why would he be connected to so many different things? The main points of Mr Julia are probably the noobiness (ineptness->inertinept lol), this weird pulsating thing, and this rage, which, like I said before, may be because of the greenness of the character.

All in all, I'd say L's analysis seems the most logical to me.


Instantly dismisses Araav, who was a very good link (only person who really links to flowers in this case). The vx70GTOJudgexv clues are weak as he stated and meant to be such, his reaction was needed for behavioural analysis. However, YDG defends both Araav, and Judge almost as soon as he sees my analysis. But wait, he said he likes giving his own analysis way up above as of day 2, but he doesn’t provide any of his own, instead he says L’s is sound and logical. He still doesn’t contribute anything sound, but does give a link to inertinept that’s weak as hell.

On July 06 2009 13:31 ydg wrote:
Also, isn't it interesting how quick Pyrrh is to support BC's (weak) clue analysis, just as how quick he was to support his platform?


and the attack finally begins. He attacks me personally based on someone supporting me instantly, although Pyrr disagrees with my analysis of judge seen

On July 06 2009 13:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On the entusman thing: entusman to enterman seems highly unlikely to me. Also, So No Fek has "entusman" in his profile, too. There are even more Entus fans, I'm sure.

Also, with the Truthbringer thing. If L's analysis is correct, that's way too many clues for one Day post, especially without Snow in active. Could be that only one is intentional, but I can't imagine Plexa thinking that 5 separate links to the same guy in one post on Day 2 makes sense. I mean I did something like that, but it was a novice game and it was Day 5 or so. Still, more links increase the odds and that's a lot of links.


Oh shit, that was before YDG’s attack.

As well as pyrr supporting L, but wait, he can’t support us both?

In closing people, we have someone who is seemingly being active, while not actively contributing anything useful, and just rehashing information given by other players, but by quoting larger posts, he can appear to be helping.

Remember he
A) advocated that people opt for snow (he said he voted for it) to begin with, then opted for fog after others were set on it after arguments by L myself and others.
B) he stayed relatively useless, then as soon as he was called out, he makes a valid reason of why he was inactive that any player would normally accept, then goes and breaks that reason to post shoddy analysis, and then rehash more information already given
C) He wants us to locate the priest. We don’t need to know the priest as the only job they have is hiding till their resurrect is done. And finding the priest out only helps mafia, it means we would have to go rain (giving mafia 5 KP) to stop the bomber, and then they stack kills and kill priest anyway or force meds elsewhere to take out other targets while sniping the priest before his powers swap. Untop of that he wants to use the priest over and over to get a group of confirmed townies when a game won’t last more than 2 full uses most likely. The logic is faulty and surprisingly people overlook it.
D) rehashes more information, then as soon as specific people are targeted from analysis, one solid one not, he opts to defend both of them. WHY, judge already had a reason given by me to get a reaction, but YDG gave us even more, why defend someone with a weak connection that no one would lynch him on? To protect one of his own. He also defends Araav who has a good connection to him, and also someone who has been inactive a large chunk of the game.
E) attacks me for having a supporter who is someone actually supporting multiple peoples analysis.

These are all major things mafia do to sidetrack the town. YDG obviously wants you to suspect me, as killing me off would remove the double lynches from the town. He also wants top KP for mafia, and a priest found. If you need more information than this to kill him, we won’t last long at all.