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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
July 11 2009 05:15 GMT
#881
On July 11 2009 14:11 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 14:09 motbob wrote:
fuck, I don't know whether to vote BC or not. I mean the thing that's really tempting me to do it is the fact that mafia COULD be voting for him, but they're clearly not (because of the Truthbringer - BC vote correlation.) If you were mafia, would you pass up the chance to lynch the mayor?

I mean hell, even ecomania isn't voting for BC.

But I really want those double lynches... whatever... I'll decide after eSTRO vs stars.


Just wait until the last few hours when a bunch of mafia transfer their votes to BC. Same thing happened yesterday.

This IS the last few hours. Plexa said "voting has been extended a day" 25 hours ago.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 11 2009 05:18 GMT
#882
On July 11 2009 14:15 motbob wrote:
This IS the last few hours. Plexa said "voting has been extended a day" 25 hours ago.


I thought we had like 4 more hours. oops. At any rate, since Plexa has not been here in a while, voting might get extended another few hours.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
July 11 2009 05:19 GMT
#883
Earlier when L brought up Truthbringer as a strong lynch candidate, BC made a fucking essay-length post regarding ydg as a stronger candidate. By itself, not a big deal.

We now know that not only was Truthbringer mafia aligned, he was a mafia, not a pledge, which means mafia were pretty strongly wishing Truthbringer to be killed. BC's post was full of the usual shit involved in these kinds of distractions, heaps of bolding, hundreds of quotes and commentary on quotes, walls of text.

It started a bandwagon on ydg, which was the anti-bandwagon to the bandwagon at the time, which was on truthbringer and something the mafia would have very strongly wanted to divert.

Their are four errors in this sentance.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 11 2009 05:29 GMT
#884
I'm back. Am writing up post now.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
July 11 2009 05:32 GMT
#885
Foolishness if you feel strongly enough that BC is innocent go ahead and use your second vote on eco... I voted BC twice.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 11 2009 05:34 GMT
#886
On July 11 2009 14:32 motbob wrote:
Foolishness if you feel strongly enough that BC is innocent go ahead and use your second vote on eco... I voted BC twice.


Don't worry I got time.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-11 05:36:17
July 11 2009 05:35 GMT
#887
For anyone sitting on the fence about BC, I give you this final argument for his lynch.

I believe BC is the godfather. And killing godfather knocks away 1kp. With fog if we were to pick it, brings mafia to 2kp, which I think we can all agree pretty much wins us the game.

L already made a case for it earlier in the thread, I'd like to add this to it.

Also note:

DT's

Last thread Plexa made it clear in the last thread that a player if checked by a DT flip their original colour (ie emperor flips as whatever his role was before election, dt flips as dt, mafia flips as mafia) only exception being the godfather. Checks can also be used at any point in the day. So, by that meaning.

Dts should automatically be checking
Myself, ie BloodyC0bbler
and mrbabyhands

If we flip as town, immediately contact us. ALSO there are two you. so there is the risk that you double check on one of us but still that pays off as we get 2 dts immediately working together. THEY can act right now, IE before the mafia can act.

So check me first, get me into office and we go from there. The power of dts in this game is absolutely insane, as only one role is fliped incorrectly. They also can act day 1.


He asks the DTs to rolecheck him quickly, to take advantage in any slowdown before the godfather can act, so that they have godfather-free rolechecks, and then asks them to contact him about it.

And yet he conveniently avoids one point. If he is godfather, it breaks the entire thing and the dts will think he is a townie and if they follow his orders there, send their roles to the godfather.

And it makes sense for mafia to send their godfather as the emperor candidate. It has precedent as well.

So for all of you sitting on the fence, when BC flips red, there is a strong chance it won't be just mafia or pledge, it will be Godfather and mafia will lose 1kp. Which if it happens, guarantees us the game effectively!
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 11 2009 05:37 GMT
#888
Yeah that whole "if i flip town, immediately tell me you're the DT" thing was really sketch given the likelihood of a gf candidate.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 11 2009 05:40 GMT
#889
Well Falcynn's not gonna get his tonight so I gotta switch. With all the lying and sketch bullshit out of BC this game I guess I have to vote for him because he's likely the GF which is more dangerous than a pledge / mafioso which is probably what eco and kuja are. I kept trying to get people to hang back and get another double lynch out of BC but I doubt that is gonna happen at this point.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 11 2009 06:06 GMT
#890
Hey ace, When this town lynches me, and realizes im green, lets host a party!

As a note guys, I am green, and when I die and flip as such you will realize I haven't been entirely useless. I'm accused of giving mass targets? No shit, I'm doing generalized short (most of them are very few lines) of analysis for people to look at and go "oh that could work no that couldnt" But hey, In the time since I've been at work, neither of the two people I sent my entire note list of what most people could link to via the two dead member with established clues so see my spoiler below

+ Show Spoiler +

Scamp – cat (cat leapping possibly meant he hurled himself) gutter
Truthbringer = skeleton (confirmed he was skeleton)
Judge = berzerker (rage and hate confirm he was a berzerker)
Scaramana = franchesco scarmanga
Foolishness = fool
Ilovekt = heart, or heart rate monitor
Pyrr = bird
Bloodyc0bbler = a cobbler (one who makes shoes, or a pie) something bloody, prince rhaegar
Goodwill = kgb officer
Inertinept = wind or gust of wind
Jeejee = angel or tears or fear
Heav0nearth = gladiator
Ydg = courage?
Bockit = insane amount of things
Chezinu = clueless or green skinned
Classic = bear semen
Chaoser = pokemon, ninja, rekrul
Kuja900 = bad limerick, gladiator with bomb
Redtooth = ketchup
Storrzerg = zerg
Falcynn = falcon, rabbit, aquabat(based on codename applesauce linking to them)
Ecomania = german
Malongo = learning English, editor, gets help
Lenwe = man or woman, bench, cyanide, happiness or explosives
Infundibulum = muslim, anything music related
Rebirthoflegend = a poem, troll killer, hotbid?
Faronel = no clue he has no profile.

Day one key terms
Gored bodies/strung up like human clotheslines

Tall and lanky man(most likely with a gun)
Man with explosive

Crushed into human pancakes (screams comedy)

Day 2 key terms
Man 1 (this man turned out to be a skeleton (truthbringer’s profile picture)
Arrogant
Shock inducing
Strong, big gun

Man 2
Tall and lanky (day 1)
Careful or observant
Quick

Man 3
Carries bombs
Poison/plant involvement

Man 4
Nicknamed mr Julia
Good with electronics
Burn quickly changes colour and pulsates
Strong
Becomes erratic, and passes out when his body pulsates too much

One mafia is also carrying or is a hot object

Man 5 (is priest) (this was judge and his rage + hate was caused from being a berzerker)
Has a lot of rage and hate

Day 3 key terms
Man 1
Mr Julia again
Military training
Wearing a mask
Has no nose
Skin growing bulbs and changing colour

Man 2
Was suicide bomber
He threw himself at his targets (this was scamp, possibly threw implied a leap like a cat)

Man 3
One mafia causes so no fek to be unable to move

Man 4
Laughs a lot
Is curiously clothed
Causes laughter in others
(uses comical traps)
uses explosives


repeat used things
amusing deaths
two people being turned into human pancakes
caller being caught in comical trap and getting tied up with a bomb
the man responsible for callers death enjoys laughing and creating laughter, and dresses curiously, perhaps comically.

Mr. Julia going from a pulsating erratic person into a cold precise military man

A tall and lanky man (most likely has a gun) who is observant
He noticed plexa in a dark place, and someone jumping from a window
Most important stuff is at the top.

For those analyzing realize that the first two dead people we have as confirmed via clues are very similar to chuiu's style and work from there.

If/when I die do to this lynch, go over and look at malongos/bockit's posts, you will see some stunning give aways. You should also go over the voting list and see who has paired up over the span of days, and then compare to the current bandwagoners, its fun stuff.

Regardless, when I die and flip green, town will realize how boned it is, as currently only mafia benefit from the loss of double lynches from this game. So, enjoy the town loss guys, you've sure earned it.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
July 11 2009 06:10 GMT
#891
On July 11 2009 15:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I'm green... I'm green... I swear I'm green... really I am green... I am green... green.


Nice defense there.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 11 2009 06:15 GMT
#892
Truth bud, just wait for my flip. Then you get to join me the following day, either or I could care less. I know I'm green, much as I was sure L was green.

I'm more than glad to let the town to once again be led down to death as has been the trend for awhile, so unless the mafia fucks up horribly town loses. Maybe this game will finally tell people to stop depending on big name players and to finally step up themselves.

Foolishness, Pyrr, Heres hoping you two can save the sinking ship
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 11 2009 06:23 GMT
#893
On July 11 2009 15:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey ace, When this town lynches me, and realizes im green, lets host a party!

As a note guys, I am green, and when I die and flip as such you will realize I haven't been entirely useless. I'm accused of giving mass targets? No shit, I'm doing generalized short (most of them are very few lines) of analysis for people to look at and go "oh that could work no that couldnt" But hey, In the time since I've been at work, neither of the two people I sent my entire note list of what most people could link to via the two dead member with established clues so see my spoiler below

+ Show Spoiler +

Scamp – cat (cat leapping possibly meant he hurled himself) gutter
Truthbringer = skeleton (confirmed he was skeleton)
Judge = berzerker (rage and hate confirm he was a berzerker)
Scaramana = franchesco scarmanga
Foolishness = fool
Ilovekt = heart, or heart rate monitor
Pyrr = bird
Bloodyc0bbler = a cobbler (one who makes shoes, or a pie) something bloody, prince rhaegar
Goodwill = kgb officer
Inertinept = wind or gust of wind
Jeejee = angel or tears or fear
Heav0nearth = gladiator
Ydg = courage?
Bockit = insane amount of things
Chezinu = clueless or green skinned
Classic = bear semen
Chaoser = pokemon, ninja, rekrul
Kuja900 = bad limerick, gladiator with bomb
Redtooth = ketchup
Storrzerg = zerg
Falcynn = falcon, rabbit, aquabat(based on codename applesauce linking to them)
Ecomania = german
Malongo = learning English, editor, gets help
Lenwe = man or woman, bench, cyanide, happiness or explosives
Infundibulum = muslim, anything music related
Rebirthoflegend = a poem, troll killer, hotbid?
Faronel = no clue he has no profile.

Day one key terms
Gored bodies/strung up like human clotheslines

Tall and lanky man(most likely with a gun)
Man with explosive

Crushed into human pancakes (screams comedy)

Day 2 key terms
Man 1 (this man turned out to be a skeleton (truthbringer’s profile picture)
Arrogant
Shock inducing
Strong, big gun

Man 2
Tall and lanky (day 1)
Careful or observant
Quick

Man 3
Carries bombs
Poison/plant involvement

Man 4
Nicknamed mr Julia
Good with electronics
Burn quickly changes colour and pulsates
Strong
Becomes erratic, and passes out when his body pulsates too much

One mafia is also carrying or is a hot object

Man 5 (is priest) (this was judge and his rage + hate was caused from being a berzerker)
Has a lot of rage and hate

Day 3 key terms
Man 1
Mr Julia again
Military training
Wearing a mask
Has no nose
Skin growing bulbs and changing colour

Man 2
Was suicide bomber
He threw himself at his targets (this was scamp, possibly threw implied a leap like a cat)

Man 3
One mafia causes so no fek to be unable to move

Man 4
Laughs a lot
Is curiously clothed
Causes laughter in others
(uses comical traps)
uses explosives


repeat used things
amusing deaths
two people being turned into human pancakes
caller being caught in comical trap and getting tied up with a bomb
the man responsible for callers death enjoys laughing and creating laughter, and dresses curiously, perhaps comically.

Mr. Julia going from a pulsating erratic person into a cold precise military man

A tall and lanky man (most likely has a gun) who is observant
He noticed plexa in a dark place, and someone jumping from a window
Most important stuff is at the top.

For those analyzing realize that the first two dead people we have as confirmed via clues are very similar to chuiu's style and work from there.

If/when I die do to this lynch, go over and look at malongos/bockit's posts, you will see some stunning give aways. You should also go over the voting list and see who has paired up over the span of days, and then compare to the current bandwagoners, its fun stuff.

Regardless, when I die and flip green, town will realize how boned it is, as currently only mafia benefit from the loss of double lynches from this game. So, enjoy the town loss guys, you've sure earned it.


the problem is that even if you're green, you played like shit this game.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 11 2009 06:27 GMT
#894
Well we are at a Crux here.

some quick clue connections to keep an eye on:

MrJulia -> Chezinu. The key line here is "cursed green skin" from Chezinu's profile. Mr. Julias skin is messed up proper.

MrJulia -> LucasWoJ. A couple lines from his profile fit with the clue writing: the list of colors, the quote ""Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s" connects to 3:14am. Falling apart skin -> Michael jackson. I'm not sure if this is a very strong connection overall.

Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders.

A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move.


These lines probably connect to JeeJee, whose quote is about fear. However his behavior in the thread, especially arguing with Fool, makes me unsure of his alignment. It's the best clue link I can find for those lines though.

PEOPLE TO KEEP AN EYE ON (READ: SHADY MOFOS):

Pyrr
Foolishness
Heav0nEarth
Faronel
StorZerg

PROBABLY INNOCENT
ecomania
ydg
motbob
malongo
bockit
Lenwe

not sure:
inertinept - he's posted some dumb shit this game but i can't really tell.

I coul be completely absolutely wrong here - I was never much for behavioral analysis. But these are my gut reactions.

Next is this post by BC:

On July 05 2009 14:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ydg
Ecomania
Elemenope
Kuja
Scamp

If elected, i will be random # generating from this list.

Ydg as he tends to go inactive for alot of a game in most games (sorry bud but inactives kill the game)

Elemenope seems shifty to me based on a question he asked previously in the thread,
ecomania, kuja and scamp due to general inactivity


Look at this list. Look hard. Who are the 2 people being pushed for lynching today? Kuja and ecomania. The presence of Scamp on this list is also important. If BC is mafia, he could have placed a red like Scamp on the list and just not lynched him. If he is green then it *would* make sense that he has been pushing for ydg, ecomania, and kuja900 recently, because it'd be consistent. But then he went off and lynched MBH. Good one.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 11 2009 06:28 GMT
#895
On July 11 2009 15:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2009 15:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey ace, When this town lynches me, and realizes im green, lets host a party!

As a note guys, I am green, and when I die and flip as such you will realize I haven't been entirely useless. I'm accused of giving mass targets? No shit, I'm doing generalized short (most of them are very few lines) of analysis for people to look at and go "oh that could work no that couldnt" But hey, In the time since I've been at work, neither of the two people I sent my entire note list of what most people could link to via the two dead member with established clues so see my spoiler below

+ Show Spoiler +

Scamp – cat (cat leapping possibly meant he hurled himself) gutter
Truthbringer = skeleton (confirmed he was skeleton)
Judge = berzerker (rage and hate confirm he was a berzerker)
Scaramana = franchesco scarmanga
Foolishness = fool
Ilovekt = heart, or heart rate monitor
Pyrr = bird
Bloodyc0bbler = a cobbler (one who makes shoes, or a pie) something bloody, prince rhaegar
Goodwill = kgb officer
Inertinept = wind or gust of wind
Jeejee = angel or tears or fear
Heav0nearth = gladiator
Ydg = courage?
Bockit = insane amount of things
Chezinu = clueless or green skinned
Classic = bear semen
Chaoser = pokemon, ninja, rekrul
Kuja900 = bad limerick, gladiator with bomb
Redtooth = ketchup
Storrzerg = zerg
Falcynn = falcon, rabbit, aquabat(based on codename applesauce linking to them)
Ecomania = german
Malongo = learning English, editor, gets help
Lenwe = man or woman, bench, cyanide, happiness or explosives
Infundibulum = muslim, anything music related
Rebirthoflegend = a poem, troll killer, hotbid?
Faronel = no clue he has no profile.

Day one key terms
Gored bodies/strung up like human clotheslines

Tall and lanky man(most likely with a gun)
Man with explosive

Crushed into human pancakes (screams comedy)

Day 2 key terms
Man 1 (this man turned out to be a skeleton (truthbringer’s profile picture)
Arrogant
Shock inducing
Strong, big gun

Man 2
Tall and lanky (day 1)
Careful or observant
Quick

Man 3
Carries bombs
Poison/plant involvement

Man 4
Nicknamed mr Julia
Good with electronics
Burn quickly changes colour and pulsates
Strong
Becomes erratic, and passes out when his body pulsates too much

One mafia is also carrying or is a hot object

Man 5 (is priest) (this was judge and his rage + hate was caused from being a berzerker)
Has a lot of rage and hate

Day 3 key terms
Man 1
Mr Julia again
Military training
Wearing a mask
Has no nose
Skin growing bulbs and changing colour

Man 2
Was suicide bomber
He threw himself at his targets (this was scamp, possibly threw implied a leap like a cat)

Man 3
One mafia causes so no fek to be unable to move

Man 4
Laughs a lot
Is curiously clothed
Causes laughter in others
(uses comical traps)
uses explosives


repeat used things
amusing deaths
two people being turned into human pancakes
caller being caught in comical trap and getting tied up with a bomb
the man responsible for callers death enjoys laughing and creating laughter, and dresses curiously, perhaps comically.

Mr. Julia going from a pulsating erratic person into a cold precise military man

A tall and lanky man (most likely has a gun) who is observant
He noticed plexa in a dark place, and someone jumping from a window
Most important stuff is at the top.

For those analyzing realize that the first two dead people we have as confirmed via clues are very similar to chuiu's style and work from there.

If/when I die do to this lynch, go over and look at malongos/bockit's posts, you will see some stunning give aways. You should also go over the voting list and see who has paired up over the span of days, and then compare to the current bandwagoners, its fun stuff.

Regardless, when I die and flip green, town will realize how boned it is, as currently only mafia benefit from the loss of double lynches from this game. So, enjoy the town loss guys, you've sure earned it.


the problem is that even if you're green, you played like shit this game.

such as voting for you, which i dont think he ever explained. I asked him in msn about it and he said something that didn't make any sense and switched his vote to inertinept because the laughter in the latest day post was somehow indicative of wind
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 11 2009 06:30 GMT
#896
I am well aware moron. You flip green 6-7 games out of 8-9 and tell me you would continue playing with everything you have. In the moments I have tried, bullshit stuff like whats currently going on happens and town happily goes along. All motivation to seriously help you guys win is gone, especially after the retardedness stemming from today. If you honestly think the gf would be dumb enough to run during the elections, you all have no idea how to play this. At best a regular mafia ran for office as it allows the gf to just spam his cover on whoever he wants and keep the 1 KP bonus. By running for office and potentially being elected, mafia would lose its leadership/alot of its KP.

Hell a mafia candidate or elected official would never have attempted to abuse a resurrection ability, or push to have mafia KP dropped, etc...

But Logic has been gone on everyone but a few players. As much as I hate L, the guy knew his stuff for the most part this game, then you have newish players liek foolishness stepping up and not getting listened to, and instead people listen to players like Bockit and Malongo. Malongo who is universally accepted as a horrible player, and bockit who mentioned in the first day he wasnt good at this game.

But hey, listen to them, they will I'm sure lead the town to die, so happy trails retards.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 11 2009 06:33 GMT
#897
Oh, weather! With only 1 mystic left, fuck voting for rain.

Fog - guaranteed kp drop to 3. This isn't bad at all, and is certainly the safest choice right now.

Sunny - a gambit. I'm pretty sure our assassins can pick some solid targets by now. If we don't vote it today, next day for sure.

Snow - also a gambit because all we get is clues, and depending on who dies we could be fucked for clue analysis. Sunny is a safer vote than this.

I'm voting Fog.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 11 2009 06:35 GMT
#898
Go look at all of my clue analysis about BC from earlier, and then look at all the connections to vampires we've made from Mr Julia. In that bloody cobbler blog i showed earlier there's a "You scored as Dracula." post. Chezinu has green skin, while this mafia's is yellow and I've seen none of the other many Mr Julia traits pop up for him. LucasWoJ could fit with the MJ surgery and the colors and the time thing, but again I think I've made better cases for Falcynn and BC.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 11 2009 06:35 GMT
#899
Infundi, your two best bets to win at this point if you off me is snow and sunny.

Without the double lynches you will need the 2 hits each assassin gets to win. Hell, you will need the extra clues as well, fog at this point will do nothing as most likely kuja or ecomania is a pledge and when they die along side me fog won't drop their kp enough.

But hey, just giving you some pointers.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 11 2009 06:36 GMT
#900
Pyrr, did you even look at the pm I gave you? It gives you almost all you need to solve these clues, stop following bandwagons and think you tard, Or am I seriously giving you too much credit.
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