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Canada4732 Posts

July 08 2009 01:50 GMT

#481

On July 08 2009 10:08 redtooth wrote:
Guys, I feel like we missed an essential part of mafia analysis. That part being: why isn't ________ dead?

Prior to the Day post, there were 3 "prime" targets:
- L
- Heav0nEarth
- Pyrr

They were the biggest movers/shakers not named BC. Why would mafia play alphabet soup instead of trying to knock off the actually helpful people? The question is whether one of them is mafia or whether they are doing more harm to the town than good (Pyrr's clue analysis is often farfetched and L's friendly banters with BC tend to bury a lot of possibly informative posts) and mafia is just willing to sit back and let them do damage. I'm sure mafia is not incompetent enough to just kill off totally random people with no hints of blueness and no real usefulness than take a shot at the useful ones.

I'm willing to bet that one of the above are mafia.

Remember, the general consensus among the town was that one of the candidates for Emperor is mafia. Why did we totally drop that idea as soon as BC was elected? I believe L and Heav0n are prime suspects and should be watched very carefully. Truthbringer's color will likely reveal a lot but let's not take L and Heav0n (and to a way lesser extent Pyrr) off the suspect list yet.

I didn't drop that idea, it was central in my analysis of the timing of the votes and why people shouldn't be following BC.

Its pretty obvious that mafia was trying to cover the spread and hit targets that they figured wouldn't be protected in order to get a chance at sniping the priest and fucking us over, but I've been pretty certain I will die tomorrow or someone from mafia will make a point of it to repeatedly note that I'm not dead yet.

I was going to ask for an angel prot, but I wasn't sure if we were going to get rain or not, so I dunno lol.

All I can hope is that we get lucky and we land an angel prot tonight and that our priest doesn't die.

rredtooth

5458 Posts

July 08 2009 02:01 GMT

#482

On July 08 2009 10:31 LucasWoJ wrote:

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What would you like to bet? And how much?

my pride. there is enough for me to gamble with it.

LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

July 08 2009 02:10 GMT

#483

Not good enough. Please offer more.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 08 2009 02:16 GMT

#484

On July 08 2009 10:08 redtooth wrote:
Guys, I feel like we missed an essential part of mafia analysis. That part being: why isn't ________ dead?

Prior to the Day post, there were 3 "prime" targets:
- L
- Heav0nEarth
- Pyrr

They were the biggest movers/shakers not named BC. Why would mafia play alphabet soup instead of trying to knock off the actually helpful people? The question is whether one of them is mafia or whether they are doing more harm to the town than good (Pyrr's clue analysis is often farfetched and L's friendly banters with BC tend to bury a lot of possibly informative posts) and mafia is just willing to sit back and let them do damage. I'm sure mafia is not incompetent enough to just kill off totally random people with no hints of blueness and no real usefulness than take a shot at the useful ones.

I'm willing to bet that one of the above are mafia.

Remember, the general consensus among the town was that one of the candidates for Emperor is mafia. Why did we totally drop that idea as soon as BC was elected? I believe L and Heav0n are prime suspects and should be watched very carefully. Truthbringer's color will likely reveal a lot but let's not take L and Heav0n (and to a way lesser extent Pyrr) off the suspect list yet.

how is my clue analysis farfetched? my analysis on araav made perfect sense, ydg made a legitimate point on why it might be unlikely and I refuted that. I listed a few lesser quality links with the caveat that I didn't think they were real ones. BC's the one that's been shotgunning clue analysis on judge and some vehicle thing about araav when the flower stuff makes much more sense, and I don't think he could even come up with anything for YDG.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 08 2009 02:22 GMT

#485

On July 08 2009 09:28 ydg wrote:

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OH AND
http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/archives/014105.html
Julia Roberts and Joaquin Phoenix have the same birthday. Hence, Mr. Julia.

I hope I do get lynched tonight so I can as Plexa if I'm right LOL.

Because that's fucking likely, Plexa would think well here's a bird, I'll pick an unrelated bird and then find a famous person named after that bird, and then look up what celebrity is born the same day. This is exactly what you were accusing me of earlier. EX-FUCKING- ACTLY. You googled Phoenix and Julia to try to find a link between the two, when if your train of linkage is RebirthofLegend or Pyrrhuloxia or whoever -> Phoenix -> Julia, that couldn't happen because Plexa wouldn't google "Phoenix and Julia" because there's no link between the two unless you look for it deliberately.

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 08 2009 03:07 GMT

#486

On July 08 2009 11:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:

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Because that's fucking likely, Plexa would think well here's a bird, I'll pick an unrelated bird and then find a famous person named after that bird, and then look up what celebrity is born the same day. This is exactly what you were accusing me of earlier. EX-FUCKING- ACTLY. You googled Phoenix and Julia to try to find a link between the two, when if your train of linkage is RebirthofLegend or Pyrrhuloxia or whoever -> Phoenix -> Julia, that couldn't happen because Plexa wouldn't google "Phoenix and Julia" because there's no link between the two unless you look for it deliberately.

I forgot to add that where you start with all that is a burning sensation / warmth. And end up at julia roberts. Yeah, no.

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

July 08 2009 03:26 GMT

#487

I've broken down a lot about ydg.

He's displayed a bunch of characteristics this game that are really mafia-like, in my opinion. Some of this has been hit on by others, but it all builds into my case here.

Wishy-washy voting
Empty trash posting
Voting without any reasoning
Trying to reveal a power role
Inconsistencies
Mis-quoting

Wishy-Washy Voting & Posting Inconsistencies

Ydg can't make up his mind about anything. First, he's unable to decide on weather. Should we vote rain or snow? No wait, we need to vote fog! This is all within 20 minutes, mind you. The only info that comes up between these posts is that Fishball has gotten his role and he's passing by the thread. Then, after saying "vote fog" he continues debating about how good snow would be early game, because, you know, we're going to vote fog. Then he claims he started the fog discussion. While he did technically post "Vote fog" first, he still wasn't the main proponent for it. That causes some stupid arguing. Day 2 roles around, and he votes fog. But then later on, he says, "Oh wait, rain might be good." But then he goes back to "Vote fog" after all is said and done. In lynching, he starts day 2 off with an early vote on Truthbringer. After a post giving three options, he randomly takes his vote off. His only reason is that he wants to see what happens. What?

In regards to his posting inconsistencies, he has some very odd tendencies. First, he starts off posting some contributions. Then he goes inactive. Then BC calls him out and threatens a lynching, so he snaps active. If he is a townie, he wouldn't need to worry about a lynching, because there would be more than inactivity linking to him. Townies threatened with lynches because of inactivity don't usually post more, they stay inactive. Then he says he'd like to clue analyze but it's only day 1. That usually means "I'm not going to clue analyze". Then he reneges on that post not 10 minutes later and begins analyzing the day post. Then, he says at one point due to the amount of abstaining voters, he doesn't think that either candidate is mafia, but the next day he starts insinuating that BC might be mafia as well as pyrry. But the one that takes the cake is his one post saying that just because he doesn't post in the thread but votes, doesn't mean he's inactive. He then accuses iLoveKT of doing the exact same thing.

There's plenty more. He accuses me of defending a weak-ass link, which I did just to defend it rather than skirt it. Then he makes the weakest link ever with Mr. Julia, Julia Roberts and Joaquin Phoenix having the same birthday and the phoenix and Mr. Julia turning colors (btw, Julia Roberts, Joaquin Phoenix and I all have the same birthday, ironically). And he's happy that Pyrry defended the phoenix link (which was weak alone). Also in his full day 2 analyisis (posted at 00:12 on July 07 2009 if you want to ctrl+F it), he assures us that the tall and lanky one found Plexa, while a careful read of that Day post shows it didn't specify which of the men found Plexa.

Empty Trash Posting

Several of his posts have been valueless. Lets start in the beginning. Someone asks about BWDero's profile picture, and all he posts is a wikipedia link, and nothing more. A trained ape could've done that. Then he bitches about not having anything to discuss and says he only goes inactive when he is mafia. He does some very elementary clue analysis, just basically "Oh look, there's two of them, and these are character traits". Then he reposts someone's math about the KP equations (I believe it was JeeJee). After that he simply sets off some flames on BC. Flames a bit more. Then he talks a bit about Mr. Julia, rehashing Lenwe's post. Then we get 3-ish paragraphs saying "Clue analysis sucks, but L's is alright." He posts up some of Plexa's very old mafia-hunting guide. Decides to attack BC's analysis when his provided nothing we already didn't know. Then he harps on how his bad plan was bad, but gets annoyed at me pointing out flaws in it, which may link him to being mafia. One of the best is when he tries to cast suspicion on BC, he ends with bullshit like "He uses a 0" and "He is caps blind". He then has a fairly civil discussion with BC. The last bit is his re-posting of the things he felt we "missed" in the thread. It was useful the first time around, but now it just seems like mafia trying to butter up the town with things like "But, I highlighted those missed posts for all of you twice!" I came after him on this and his only defense is that I post shit that isn't helping the town, says I didn't need to defend the clues linking me to mafia, then says he reposted it because no one was posting anything. Tells me I can ignore his posts. He finishes this idiocy off with "I won't allow myself to be revived then".

Voting Without Any Reason

Ok, this one is fairly short. Mainly, his vote for Ecomania is completely wft. He pulls his vote off Truthbringer so he wouldn't be on a bandwagon, or to see what happens. I'm still not sure which it was. But then he votes randomly for Ecomania. What? He says abstaining would make others suspicious of him for not being on a list? Because we're going to vote-list check Ecomania for 3 votes. He also never gave any justification as to why he voted BC for mayor, even though he is opposing BC hardcore.

Trying to Reveal a Power Role & Misquoting

First lets go with the Power Role. He admits this was a bad plan, but that just looks like a backtrack to me. Let me remind everyone of the brilliant plan he concocted.

Genius in Action
Once we get mafia down to 4 kp (not due to weather), if the priest role claims publically and all angels protect the priest, and we vote rain every day, mafia will have no way of killing the priest. And, as the ability travels between people, we get more and more confirmed townies. And if mafia decides to role claim priest, the real priest should speak up, but I guess then there will have to be some trust in deciding who the real priest is.

This comes AFTER several people have said "Wow, revealing the priest is a bad idea." We had no need at that point in time for the priest to come out. That is setting mafia up for an easy snipe. He wants to protect the priest after every rezz, and wants a roleclaim from every priest as well. It was well stated earlier that we can't rely on angels to win this game. Yet that's what he wants. Or, more likely, he wants to 1) Stop the priest role from changing hands or 2) Set up MBH for another snipe. Either one is detrimental to town.

He also has a habit of misquoting posts. Mostly it comes in his clue "analysis". He misquotes the fact that the "tall & lanky one" found Plexa. He misquotes that the lone killer of Shikyo is arrogant and that his eyes were "bursting". Again, smaller than the rest, but still significant in my eyes.

ydg's complete posting history to this moment in the next post (I was >100,000 characters :p)

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

July 08 2009 03:32 GMT

#488

Still over 100K. -_-

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On July 03 2009 03:03 ydg wrote:
Can we repeatedly vote for the same weather options? Like snow/snow/snow/snow/snow? And the weather takes effect the night and the next day, right, so if we voted for fog that means that tomorrow's vote checks wouldn't show pledges?

Anyways I'm stuck between snow and rain. Day 1 clues are always weak because they're mostly red herrings so more clues would be nice, but with a KP of 5 and only 30 townies, mafia needs 5 days to win, so it might be a good idea to limit their KP until we can kill some mafia and lower it that way.

On July 03 2009 03:18 ydg wrote:
I wouldn't say that rain is useless, especially early game. Early game, mafia can either hit blindly, try to snipe, or take out people talking a lot. It's easier to block hits if they do the last two, which usually happens early game. Hitting blindly isn't going to help them that much.
Regardless, I voted for snow.
Oh and got my role.

On July 03 2009 03:21 ydg wrote:
Wait.
"The option with the most votes will be announced during the lynching and the weather will change immediately."

Vote for fog.
I assume lynching for day 1 means the election, so we do fog during the election, since you can't even list check mayor voting lists, and we have them lose some hits for the night. And then tomorrow we change the fog to snow and they can list check. Unless there is no weather for tonight.

On July 03 2009 05:12 ydg wrote:

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Not necessarily, since Plexa could do clues where only a few mafia have clues linked to them each day. But I agree, until we know how clues are, if they're tidbits from the mafia's profile/whatever else and expressed through traits such as physical traits, tendency to use a weapon, or what not, or if the tidbits are just shown in the scene.
Or if Plexa draws heavily on a theme or if he picks from this and that, we don't know yet.

On July 03 2009 10:12 ydg wrote:
I disagree with spamming fog, but I agree that fog should be used day one.
List checking is one of the most effective tools, and, as pledges can only be found via list checks, if we spam fog, we will have no sure way of hitting pledge as opposed to hitting regular mafia.

On July 04 2009 11:28 ydg wrote:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bolt

On July 05 2009 15:18 ydg wrote:

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I'd post more but it seems like there's not much to discuss now?
Tbh I only go inactive when I'm mafia lol.

I'd clue analyze but it's only day 1. I like to wait until at least day 2 to start looking at it.

On July 05 2009 15:25 ydg wrote:
Okay assuming Plexa is going with mafia have their own eccentricities and quirks and their own traits, here are a few weird things I found...

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So so far only two characters have been mentioned, "tall and lanky" and "Mr. Explosive." I THINK that the person who killed Plexa was another person, perhaps a stealthy person (like a ninja, why is there always a ninja).

Also, the "strung up on lines like a human clothes line" is VERY strange, what a weird way to phrase an odd scene.

And of course, the note.
But, being day 1, I can't think much of these except a preliminary outline of how clues will be?

On July 05 2009 15:39 ydg wrote:
Btw,
8/8 Mafia alive. (Current killing power = 5)
1/1 Suicide Bomner alive.
1/1 Godfather alive.

so, 6 non-Godfather, non-Bomber mafia.

With fog...

6 pledges, 1 non, 1 god => 3/2+1/2+1=3 total hits
5/2/1=>5/4+1+1=13/4=3.25=4 total hits
4/3/1=>1+3/2+1=7/2=3.5=4 total hits
3/4/1=>3/4+2+1=15/4=3.75=4 total hits
2/5/1=>1/2+5/2+1=4 total hits
1/6/1=>1/4+3+1=4.25=5 total hits

So not bad for reducing KP by 1. I guess we can always figure out a way to get pledges without the voting list check.

On July 06 2009 02:37 ydg wrote:
Actively reading the thread? More like coming in randomly to catch up, and seeing how there's nothing happening and so not saying anything. What, do you want me to say something stupid. like sup, every time I come to the thread?

But it's okay, I understand your position, you don't have any legit suspects so you pick on people who you say will be inactive.

And if you actually did any research into me, you'll realize that I almost always vote even if I don't post in the thread, and this is construed as inactive how?

Whatever. Non-voters:
L
inertinept
clasic
kuja
rebirth
scamp

Looking at the high number of abstains, I'd say it's unlikely that either of the two candidates are mafia.

On July 06 2009 02:48 ydg wrote:
Oh and what the hell do you mean I sat back doing nothing? Go back and read the thread maybe, like on page 1 or 2 maybe and, OH MY GOD I ACTUALLY POSTED QUITE A BIT in fact, I was the one who SUGGESTED we do fog first???

Whatever. Once we get mafia down to 4 kp (not due to weather), if the priest role claims publically and all angels protect the priest, and we vote rain every day, mafia will have no way of killing the priest. And, as the ability travels between people, we get more and more confirmed townies. And if mafia decides to role claim priest, the real priest should speak up, but I guess then there will have to be some trust in deciding who the real priest is.

On July 06 2009 09:27 ydg wrote:

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On July 06 2009 07:48 Lenwe wrote:

There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.

Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.

Quite a lot is revealed about Mr. Julia. He is new to the mafia (a first time player?). He is a safe cracking expert and, I might be mistaken, but I believe there could be something wrong with his body, considering his reaction to getting burned and him passing out when kicking his victim. As all three other members instantly knew what had happened, I think this is a clue as well.

The Mr. Julia thing may be a nod towards the pledge-ness of the mafioso member. Or it may be that Mr. Julia is an inept person who burned himself and then couldn't control his rage.

On July 06 2009 09:33 ydg wrote:

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side by side comparisons of the only two people we can pinpoint as the exact same from day 1.
Aside from explosions and tall guy, anything else stand out?

EDIT: "The two began setting the device" vs "As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted." so they both require some sort of preparation or some sort of planning. Might be insignificant.

On July 06 2009 13:29 ydg wrote:
@foxglove seeds, if you do a simple google search, you see that they are poisonous, which may either be a byproduct of the script or a key indication of the mafioso. But, unless Plexa is some sort of botanist or whatever that works with poisonous foxglove seeds (I've never heard of them before), how does he get foxglove seeds as a weapon o_O.
Remember, Plexa goes (probably) from INFO->CLUE and so we need to see what links TO foxglove seeds and not what foxgloves seeds links to.

How is Plexa going to go from "The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all" to foxglove? When someone shows me this connection, I'll vote Araav. But for now, it seems that the people who are adamantly trying to get him lynched are very suspicious.

Also, clues tend to NOT be many things from a person's profile, but a few select details (from my experience, Plexa may be doing it differently) that are heavily emphasized. Thus the vx70GTOJudgexv is very weak, imo, because why would he be connected to so many different things? The main points of Mr Julia are probably the noobiness (ineptness->inertinept lol), this weird pulsating thing, and this rage, which, like I said before, may be because of the greenness of the character.

All in all, I'd say L's analysis seems the most logical to me.

On July 06 2009 13:31 ydg wrote:
Also, isn't it interesting how quick Pyrrh is to support BC's (weak) clue analysis, just as how quick he was to support his platform?

On July 06 2009 14:43 ydg wrote:
I agree, foxglove seems to out of place to not be a clue, but the problem is finding the link to it. Of course you can say, "lol foxglove is a flower and someone has a flower -> bingo" but that's too obvious and that's what I tried to do in your game.
Anyways, since Plexa is hosting this game, why don't we look at this (from Mafia 2):

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On July 06 2009 14:43 ydg wrote:
^ Though that was for Chuiu's game, it shows Plexa's manner of thinking

On July 06 2009 23:33 ydg wrote:
Well I'm sorry bLOODYc0BBLER if I'm trying to be active and you think that's mafia-like...but didn't you say inactivity was one of the main killers of the town? So you first want to kill me because I'll be inactive, and now you want to kill me because I'm active. Great decision and leadership!

Mmm if town loses because of inactivity don't start complaining.

Oh and flip-flopping? I don't want to be too sure on any position and confirm anything that I don't know for sure, and so I like to keep my options open.

Araav is strong? LOL? Not that I say that he's not mafia, but COME ON, a mention of some obscure, poisonous plant, and you link it to him because of his flower quote? Like I said, how does he even get to "foxglove" from this flower, unless he has knowledge of this foxglove thing before and was like, "flower..oh I'll make a poisonous flower BECAUSE THAT ISN'T AN OBVIOUS LINK AT ALL." If anything, I'd say that it isn't a clue and instead the clue is that the mafioso tends to prepare/use explosives.

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Well it seems that you're spending time on behavior analysis and not clues. Your clue analysis, which was very weak.

Whatever. I see that you have no other options at this point and to prove that you're not an incompetent leader you have to get a lynch off. And, seeing as you have no other options, why not go for the guy who stands out, right?

Btw, vote for fog tonight, better to get -1 KP than more clues that this so-called emperor can make poor analysis of and get more innocents killed.

Oh and "pulsate" can refer to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=iLoveKT who hasn't been posting at all here, yet is active enough to vote.

On July 06 2009 23:36 ydg wrote:
"Btw, vote for fog tonight, better to get -1 KP than more clues that this so-called emperor can make poor analysis of and get more innocents killed."

By that I meant your analysis sucks right now and until more people with better clue analysis can show up, it's better getting the confirmed -1 kill.

On July 07 2009 00:12 ydg wrote:
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Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.

“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.

The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.

Traits:
-always in 2's
-one tall and lanky, other uses explosives (on hand)
-tall and lanky is aware of his surroundings (found Plexa)
-explosive user likes to set things up

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The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.

Traits:
-arrogant
-fast
-eyes peeled, "bursting"
-causing shock
-"Disappointed that there was only one occupant" overachiever?

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There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.

Traits:
-new
-smart (puzzle solving)
-pulsating when on fire
-rageful, gets stronger and stronger, doesn't stop
-low energy? (passes out)

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Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.

Traits
-comes from nowhere
-causes drug-like state?
-may not be a mafia by himself (4 mafia had entered only, may be the remnants of Mr. Julia)

On July 07 2009 03:46 ydg wrote:

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Read my quote.
once we have the mafia down to 4 kp

I realize it's a bad plan but it gives us a slew of confirmed townies, which is what bLOODYc0BBLER wanted with killing MBH, right?

On July 07 2009 04:22 ydg wrote:
Yeah, that's why I said it was a bad plan.
Stop rehashing it plzthx.

On July 07 2009 06:54 ydg wrote:
I voted fog but you make a good point; rain is the safe play, I guess, but what are the chances of mafia getting the priest right? I have a few thoughts about who the priest is, but if the mafia has self-proclaimed clue-beasts like bc and Pyrrh, then maybe they'll be able to figure it out.

Seeing how their last hits failed to hit any blues except Shikyo, then I'm guessing their behavior analysis isn't great.

Rain also frees up the list checks, so when my green blood flows, you can see how many of those evil minion pledges were quick to jump on the bandwagon (or not and vote for someone else in an attempt to seem non-bandwagon-y)

So do we play conservatively or aggressively?

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On July 07 2009 11:12 ydg wrote:
So is day extended?
Regardless, when I die and turn green, I suggest everyone take a good hard look at our emperor (not saying lynch him but keep an eye out for him.)
-He says he is good at clue analyzing and then posts crap as analysis and tries to behavior analyze
-Since I'm green and he's think he's got me, it shows his behavior analysis sucks - quite akin to the poor hits by mafia when they tried to behavior analyze.
-Says he was responsible for the fog plan; nope, check again, page 1, me and motbob start off the thread talking about weather and oh look we decided on fog, something bc clearly neglects to mention.
-Says he's helping the town by killing MBH; but oh wait, why would he kill MBH when he says that by Day 2 or 3 we can easily tell his alignment? Unless..oh that's right, priests give out clues when they try to revive someone. Maybe he's trying to use his gosu clue analysis to kill off the priest before the resurrection.
-Clearly, to anyone reading the thread not taking part in the game, I'm green. Maybe he thinks that I'm defending myself too hard and I MUST be a blue and, what better power-play than to lynch a blue?
-His analysis on me is solid? Whatever happened to "Let's kill ydg because he goes inactive?" So when I'm inactive you want to kill me, and when I'm active, you want to kill me? Why are you so focused on killing me, maybe it's because you think something is odd because I posted so early in the thread and so I must have some sort of special role (either mafia or blue).

What else..
-He must be caps-blind or something, how else can he misspell my name millions of times in this thread by posting it in all caps when clearly there are no caps in these three letters?
-His profile has a name, Rhaegar, which means (according to urban dictionary) "Untrustworthy person who steals things from his friends."
-He uses a 0 instead of an o

Anyways, hopefully better clue analyzers will appear and MBH will be successfully revived.
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On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote:
First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse).

Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider.

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This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later.

Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him.

The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse.

France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there.

Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then.

On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote:
I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page.

Day 1

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All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.

As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.

The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.

Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.

“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.

Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter.

Day 2

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Liquiville prided itself on it’s cheese, after all it was Liquiville’s primary export. The Cheese factory lay on the outskirts of the village and operated around the clock manufacturing cheese. Four members of the Mafia congregated outside of the factory and planned to butcher the occupants and ruin the towns economy. The Mafia entered the building and split up; two travelled alone while two travelled together.

The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.

The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.

There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.

Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.

Meanwhile in Liquiville’s most holy temple a Priest was channeling all his rage and hate into the corpse of the recently deceased MrBabyHands. Uncertain of what his fate would be, the Priest knew in his heart that whatever the outcome, MrBabyHands must walk again for the sake of the town. The resurrection had begun.

Red Clues link to TruthBringer:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringer

First off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile.
The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy.
The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors.

Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock.
Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room.

Third: The method of death;
Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could.

Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death
Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so.

Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here.

Blue clues link to Kuja900.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900

Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is.

Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here.

So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer.

On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason
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On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote:
hey, hey

let's see who is who, shall we?

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And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator.

And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob

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Chezinu has a cursed green skin that the old god of the mafia world has given him. The cursed caused him to be nothing more than a vanilla townie as long as the god reign. But Chezinu now has hope! A new god of a new mafia world has appear and Chezinu was fortunate enough to be the 18th soul to be transfer to the new world. If the new god of mafia has favor on Chezinu and remove the curse, there would be great praise to the mighty Plexa!

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Does KGB cheat?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821

<< Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++'
changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively
Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009
<< Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7
Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot.
<< Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46
How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same.
Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52

By USSR Demiurge ++'
changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively

<< Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54
and no, they are not.
<< Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55
The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about?
<< Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58
Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing.

I like your style.
<< Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60
"Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing."

How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing.

"I like your style."

What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks.
<< Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64
If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead.

This thread delivers. :>
<< Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69
Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is?

Let me make this very simple for you.

A leads to C
B leads to C

A and B have same effect.

A and B are effectively the same.

Do you understand now?
<< Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73
No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow.
<< Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74
You have to tell me which step you fail at.

1.
A leads to C
B leads to C
2.
A and B have same effect.
3.
A and B are effectively the same.
Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80
but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect.

If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect.

but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information.

As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope
<< Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91
Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement.
<< Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119
only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation

/edit:
or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't...
Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134
Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something.
<< Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136
while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point.

people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options.
It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option.
<< Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69
"If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. "

Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing?
Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76
In solid state physics, for example.
<< Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78
lol ughe nerd
<< Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78
he accidently the whole sentence
<< Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84
shit .
<< Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54
What the fuck is the problem?

they're the same effectively

You can't read?
<< Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56
even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51.

oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?
<< Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59
"even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll."

Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid.

"See #48, #49, #51."

So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point?

"oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?"

Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you.
<< Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63
Stop being plain fucking stupid.
<< Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67
Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is?

Let me make this very simple for you.

A leads to C
B leads to C

A and B have same effect.

A and B are effectively the same.

Do you understand now?
<< Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71
just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts.
<< Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137
you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :>
<< Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59
ESR delivers
<< Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56
They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive.

They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care.

Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote.
<< Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61
The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about?
<< Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66
That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes.
<< Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70
"Effectively" literally means "With effect".
"For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same.
<< Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72
your attempt at funny failed. get over it.
<< Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75
Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all?
<< Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77
Who are you to judge really, lol!
<< Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79
Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL!
<< Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72
No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same.

But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision.
<< Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83
I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this.
<< Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87
Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D
<< Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88
:D
<< Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83
"No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process."

Which to which?

"Language is not math."

Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to.

"Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same."

No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move".

"But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision."

First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same?
<< Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90
but can you describe language using math?
<< Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90

No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"."

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821
Same applies to your statement then?

( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively )

Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution.

Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous.

Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be:

First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same?

It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context.

Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 .
The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll .
Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97
Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B.
<< Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122
See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no?

A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here.
<< Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123
It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally.
It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities.
Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123
You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma.

and stuff
<< Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90
agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is.

I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided.
But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense.

*The real purpose of course being drama
<< Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66
He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him.
Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95
No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes.
Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98
Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight.
<< Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100
Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account.

And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases.
Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101
he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him.
<< Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111
But where's the fun in that?
<< Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101
Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at.

Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience.

It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'.
<< Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115
<3
<< Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100
since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!)

if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect
<< Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102
No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites.
Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105
first drogen experience, genosse?
<< Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107
mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled?
<< Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116
ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup
<< Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118
Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid?
<< Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120
lol troll, you failed!
<< Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118
'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of.
<< Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124
jonesy > you
<< Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125
Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender.
<< Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126
yup. so what?
<< Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105
wtf?
<< Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105
oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail.
<< Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110
he went for fail only it seems
<< Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113
this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history.
<< Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129
try visiting counterstrike.de
<< Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133
yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw)
<< Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139
don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal.

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Alright, how can I make myself a prime mafia suspect...hmm, here are some vague references (they can refer to anything!)

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SHADOW SHADOW SHADOW! DRAGON FIRE STORK JAEDONG DINOSAUR SPACESHIP

I hope I'm providing the right words. Let's see...

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And on the 8th day, God created ownage . . .

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Team Massachusetts/Connecticut

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-Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD

-Took out all confirmed townies(by death)

Weather debate:

On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather.

Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort.

Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues.

Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again

Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb.

I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today.

Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him.
Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people.

Now,
Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow

Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day.

I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward.

I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back.

On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote:
The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating.

There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia.

I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA??

On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:

Fishball:
"Passing by.
Role confirmed."
"I see a lot of math...
If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first."
"I abstain"

Shikyo:
"Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day."
(after death)
"Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet."
"Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town."
"I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "

Elemenope:
"/confirm

As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.

Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.

As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).

And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.

I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits

Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?"
"Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?"
"WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET"
"hurrdurr"
"I abstain from voting."

Vivi57:
no posts in main thread
"just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now

it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep"
"I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler

reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability

edit: bolded properly"

BONUS:

JeeJee:
"also shikyo is mafia"

On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote:

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To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning:

There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page).

Im voting to lynch Heavonearth.

If anything else is buried, please post.

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

July 08 2009 03:41 GMT

#490

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On July 07 2009 11:13 ydg wrote:
Oh wait so I'm not dying today?
Too bad, I had accepted it and all...

On July 07 2009 11:23 ydg wrote:

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OK. Btw why do you capitalize my name?

On July 07 2009 11:30 ydg wrote:

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Oh okay. Haha, it just looks out of place when you post and it screams out.

On July 07 2009 11:33 ydg wrote:
Yeah that didn't work at all (so awkward) so I resorted to bc instead of BC. But that doesn't stand out, it just blends in lol.

On July 07 2009 23:52 ydg wrote:

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That's unfair...bc and L are just as hostile as me

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Or it could be that he is....INACTIVE?? He hasn't posted anything here in a while.

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Most likely the third one, I believe one of the slew of people who just posted to pose as active is mafia and neither me nor truthbringer are mafia. In fact, that's exactly what we did in Pyrrh's game, we just sat back and watched teks and zeks and Shikyo go at it and flew under the radar. But hey, I'll take my vote off truthbringer and let's watch how the deciding votes lie.

On July 08 2009 01:18 ydg wrote:

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Just taking my vote off of Truthbringer and having to put it on someone, didn't want to abstain since then people would suspect me of not wanting to be on a list anywhere.

And hey look, since I'm now vulnerable to be lynched, let's see who piles onto me to force me to be lynched instead of Truthbringer!

On July 08 2009 06:50 ydg wrote:
There's a lull now so I shall repost this:
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Repost of other junk, not his. See the original quoting of this for it in its full posterity. Part 2.

If anything else is buried, please post.

On July 08 2009 09:07 ydg wrote:

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Oh I actually voted for Truthbringer (was the second to do so), and, knowing that I'm green, if Truthbringer turns out to be red, voila there's a huge list of people who have voted for me at the end in an attempt to sway me to be lynched (if I don't get lynched, that is).

If it so happens that I do get lynched, then again these people are under suspicion because I really don't think there's any reason to lynch me, but they're just voting for me (like chaoser, Kuja, scara) out of nowhere.

I also made my peace with being lynched yesterday lol.

So I guess I'm trying to bait mafia, in case Truthbringer is in fact mafia? If I don't get lynched then either Truthbringer is not mafia (why wouldn't mafia want to save one of their own when it's so close), or they don't want to risk it.

Also, if I were mafia, I wouldn't risk myself like this, would I?

On July 08 2009 09:10 ydg wrote:

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Shit? My my, what a dirty mouth, why so offensive? Let me try it: Why do you keep posting the same spamming pieces of shit that come out of your useless mouth instead of information that would help the town? Instead, the only things you've posted are useless, or shit that defends yourself from a weak clue connection. Hell, you didn't even have to post that shit because it was so weak, I guess you wanted to distance yourself from bc, right? Too bad, because if bc is mafia, I'm pretty sure you are too.

As to why I repost it, well no one is posting anything and no one seems to have seen it (especially my phoenix connection which I think warrants discussion) and why the fuck can I not repost it? Do I have to fucking listen to every thing that comes out of your useless mouth? Who the fuck gives you the authority to say what I can and can not post? If you don't want to see what I have to say then don't read it maybe? No need to be a troll.

There, did that work?

On July 08 2009 09:18 ydg wrote:

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Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it.
I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object."

The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird.

Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think.
And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct.

But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it.

On July 08 2009 09:28 ydg wrote:

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OH AND
http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/archives/014105.html
Julia Roberts and Joaquin Phoenix have the same birthday. Hence, Mr. Julia.

I hope I do get lynched tonight so I can as Plexa if I'm right LOL.

On July 08 2009 09:41 ydg wrote:
I won't allow myself to be revived then.

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LucasWoJ

United States936 Posts

July 08 2009 03:44 GMT

#491

You're mafia as well.

StorrZerg

United States13910 Posts

July 08 2009 03:46 GMT

#492

anyone who posts near 100k is mafia i agree

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

July 08 2009 03:53 GMT

#493

On July 08 2009 12:46 StorrZerg wrote:
anyone who posts near 100k is mafia i agree

Blame it on ydg's posts. Well, actually on araav's profile scrape. That did me in. It appeared 3 times in there.

ydg

United States690 Posts

July 08 2009 04:06 GMT

#494

lol.
@vx70GTOJudgexv
Then have one of your mafia goons vote to lynch me, I mean it's tied right now.
Seeing as how I won't break the tie by voting Truthbringer, you tell me.

Alright Pyrry, no need to get SO FUCKING WORKED FYAESGHJDNFHEBFEJFYEO TYBU AGSBRT NRSTH UP about it, lol. So it's not a clue and it doesn't point to you.

L

Canada4732 Posts

July 08 2009 04:11 GMT

#495

I think I figured out the psychedelic thing behind our mafia factory go-ers

Pyrrhuloxia

United States6700 Posts

July 08 2009 04:19 GMT

#496

Good to mention how weird it is YDG won't vote for TB. I say we string 'em both up.

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

July 08 2009 04:22 GMT

#497

On July 08 2009 13:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Good to mention how weird it is YDG won't vote for TB. I say we string 'em both up.

I'm quite fine with that.

So no fek

United States3001 Posts

July 08 2009 04:30 GMT

#498

Might be a waste, but a quick question for Plexa:

When to activate Double Lynch ability? You can let me know by PM that you wish to use a double lynch in the night before you want to use it. You can also announce a double lynch during the day of voting. If you choose this option the time allocated for voting will be increased.

Would it be too late to call the double lynch now?

And to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if ydg is innocent (or Truthbringer for that matter), but they're our best bets at the moment, and their behavior has been suspect enough. I'm going to laugh if ydg flips green, and then we can forever call him a stupid townie.

So no fek

United States3001 Posts

July 08 2009 04:32 GMT

#499

And by "might be a waste" I mean that it might not be worth using the double lynch at this point. Sure, we have three, but I think we're all hoping that MBH can give us a good amount of solid suspects, and then we can use them in succession if needed there.

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

July 08 2009 04:41 GMT

#500

On July 08 2009 13:30 So no fek wrote:
Might be a waste, but a quick question for Plexa:

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Would it be too late to call the double lynch now?

And to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if ydg is innocent (or Truthbringer for that matter), but they're our best bets at the moment, and their behavior has been suspect enough. I'm going to laugh if ydg flips green, and then we can forever call him a stupid townie.

I'm tempted to believe that Truthbringer is green, based off of what happened when I lead that huge hanging of Jayme in Pyrry's game based off of one or two what I thought to be solid clues. Same premise, same behavior.

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