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On July 08 2009 04:51 L wrote:
I haven't actually done the math on 2 priests with 2 seperate protections each. I was operating under the assumption that they could only protect 2 targets.
The KP difference is probably close to .5 or .6 net difference, but the real gem in voting rain would be access to the vote lists tonight. The problem is that we need to organize the current vote in order to maximize the information we're getting and the current vote is tight. I doubt people will want to switch around.
I think you are wrong. The real gem is that every hit protected gives the angel a person to trust and mafia has to guess if they were blocked or they hit an angel themselves. With 5 hits and 4 protections is we need just 1 block to make it win/win and even in worst case we may be forcing mafia to stack hits. Rain is far better then fog.
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There's a lull now so I shall repost this:
On July 07 2009 11:12 ydg wrote:Some buried posts: + Show Spoiler +On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote:First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse). Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider. Show nested quote +
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later. Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him. The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse. France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there. Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then. On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote:I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page. Day 1Show nested quote +All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.
As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.
The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.
Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.
“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.
Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter. Day 2Show nested quote +Liquiville prided itself on it’s cheese, after all it was Liquiville’s primary export. The Cheese factory lay on the outskirts of the village and operated around the clock manufacturing cheese. Four members of the Mafia congregated outside of the factory and planned to butcher the occupants and ruin the towns economy. The Mafia entered the building and split up; two travelled alone while two travelled together.
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.
There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.
Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.
Meanwhile in Liquiville’s most holy temple a Priest was channeling all his rage and hate into the corpse of the recently deceased MrBabyHands. Uncertain of what his fate would be, the Priest knew in his heart that whatever the outcome, MrBabyHands must walk again for the sake of the town. The resurrection had begun. Red Clues link to TruthBringer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringerFirst off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors. Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room. Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could. Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so. Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here. Blue clues link to Kuja900. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is. Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here. So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer. On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote:hey, hey let's see who is who, shall we? + Show Spoiler [users] + araav Photo: Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 29th of September 2004 Birthday: June 19, 1979 Country: Armenia Quote: [The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.] Total Posts: 1442 Average Posts Per Day: 0.83 Average Posts Per Week: 5.81 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. BloodyC0bbler Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 1st of September 2004 Birthday: June 02, 1986 Country: Canada Quote: [Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !] Total Posts: 2476 Average Posts Per Day: 1.40 Average Posts Per Week: 9.80 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 23rd of November 2004 Birthday: December 15, 1987 Country: Australia Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31I'm on a boat] Total Posts: 1897 Average Posts Per Day: 1.13 Average Posts Per Week: 7.91 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Mafia Forum!And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator. And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob SourceOh sorry I forgot you can't read binary. - Sonuvbob You're going to cut off this thing first with just a knife, using only ice as a painkiller, hoping you don't fuck up and in case you do, you're going to put salt or pepper on it? This will end well. - Ramsing SourceHave a moderate day. - Chill Thank you so much Klockan, this thread had me all depressed SC2 is like christmas when you're 5, to me. This thread was the equivalent of someone saying "let's skip christmas this year". - FrozenArbiter In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams I am the master of vegetable timing rush. - Silver http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54575no edits. How varied really was protoss projectiles in BWs? They had goons and cannons that shot the same blue balls and reavers that shot bigger, fatter, longer ranged, buggy blue balls. - IntoTheWannaBe America turtled on island and tech to nukes. Also, some drop harass. - Jyvblamo, On WWII ଈ ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/Z1.gif) BWdero Photo: Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of February 2008 Birthday: October 15, 1989 Country: Netherlands Quote: [Fuck Kespa.] Total Posts: 401 Average Posts Per Day: 0.80 Average Posts Per Week: 5.60 Posts made in the last week: 12 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. chaoser Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 26th of November 2008 Birthday: March 02, 1988 Country: United States Quote: [ Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.] Total Posts: 382 Average Posts Per Day: 1.74 Average Posts Per Week: 12.18 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +(12:22:39 AM) krimson: SON
(12:22:44 AM) krimson: IM the ninja trainer
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(12:22:57 AM) krimson: POKEMON ARE NINJAS Chezinu Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 6th of February 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [lol, clueless] Total Posts: 235 Average Posts Per Day: 0.46 Average Posts Per Week: 3.22 Posts made in the last week: 6 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Chezinu has a cursed green skin that the old god of the mafia world has given him. The cursed caused him to be nothing more than a vanilla townie as long as the god reign. But Chezinu now has hope! A new god of a new mafia world has appear and Chezinu was fortunate enough to be the 18th soul to be transfer to the new world. If the new god of mafia has favor on Chezinu and remove the curse, there would be great praise to the mighty Plexa!
No praise for you!! Why Plexa Why!! Clasic Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 15th of January 2009 Birthday: May 06, 1990 Country: Bosnia-Herzegovina Quote: [but see women also more useful than men becaues they have vaginas - evanthebouncy] Total Posts: 871 Average Posts Per Day: 5.14 Average Posts Per Week: 35.98 Posts made in the last week: 113 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. ecomania Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 28th of February 2008 Birthday: Country: Germany Quote: [] Total Posts: 10 Average Posts Per Day: 0.02 Average Posts Per Week: 0.14 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Falcynn Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Friday, 10th of June 2005 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [mission codename: applesauce applesauce applesauce] Total Posts: 2977 Average Posts Per Day: 2.01 Average Posts Per Week: 14.07 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Faronel Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 17th of July 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 267 Average Posts Per Day: 0.76 Average Posts Per Week: 5.32 Posts made in the last week: 16 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Foolishness Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of May 2009 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 135 Average Posts Per Day: 2.75 Average Posts Per Week: 19.25 Posts made in the last week: 5 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. GoodWill Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Sunday, 1st of February 2009 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821] Total Posts: 55 Average Posts Per Day: 0.36 Average Posts Per Week: 2.52 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Does KGB cheat? http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821<< Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009 << Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7 Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot. << Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46 How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same. Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52 By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively << Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54 and no, they are not. << Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58 Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing. I like your style. << Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60 "Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing." How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing. "I like your style." What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks. << Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64 If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead. This thread delivers. :> << Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73 No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow. << Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74 You have to tell me which step you fail at. 1. A leads to C B leads to C 2. A and B have same effect. 3. A and B are effectively the same. Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80 but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect. If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect. but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information. As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope << Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91 Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement. << Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119 only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation/edit: or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't... Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134 Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something. << Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136 while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point. people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options. It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option. << Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 "If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. " Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing? Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76 In solid state physics, for example. << Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78 lol ughe nerd << Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78 he accidently the whole sentence << Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84 shit . << Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54 What the fuck is the problem? they're the same effectively You can't read? << Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56 even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51. oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that? << Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59 "even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll." Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid. "See #48, #49, #51." So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point? "oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?" Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you. << Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63 Stop being plain fucking stupid. << Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71 just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts. << Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137 you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :> << Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59 ESR delivers << Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56 They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive. They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care. Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote. << Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66 That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes. << Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70 "Effectively" literally means "With effect". "For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same. << Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72 your attempt at funny failed. get over it. << Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75 Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all? << Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77 Who are you to judge really, lol! << Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79 Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL! << Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72 No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same. But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision. << Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83 I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this. << Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87 Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D << Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88 :D << Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83 "No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process." Which to which? "Language is not math." Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to. "Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same." No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move". "But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision." First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? << Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90 but can you describe language using math? << Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"." http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821Same applies to your statement then? ( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively ) Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution. Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous. Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be: First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context. Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 . The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll . Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97 Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B. << Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122 See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no? A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here. << Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123 It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally. It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities. Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123 You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma. and stuff << Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is. I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided. But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense. *The real purpose of course being drama << Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66 He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him. Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95 No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes. Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98 Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight. << Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100 Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account. And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases. Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101 he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him. << Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111 But where's the fun in that? << Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101 Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at. Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience. It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'. << Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115 <3 << Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100 since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!) if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect<< Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102 No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites. Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105 first drogen experience, genosse? << Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107 mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled? << Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116 ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup << Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118 Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid? << Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120 lol troll, you failed! << Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118 'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of. << Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124 jonesy > you << Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125 Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender. << Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126 yup. so what? << Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105 wtf? << Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105 oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail. << Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110 he went for fail only it seems << Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113 this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history. << Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129 try visiting counterstrike.de << Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133 yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw) << Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139 don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal. ![[image loading]](/images/usericons/Z6.gif) HeavOnEarth Photo: Joined TL.net: Monday, 3rd of March 2008 Birthday: October 01, 1991 Country: United States Quote: [http://l0lhi.mybrute.com we can't be sure of anything in this world, it's the only sure thing i know ] Total Posts: 3377 Average Posts Per Day: 6.93 Average Posts Per Week: 48.51 Posts made in the last week: 92 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +
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no really tell me, i have no clue :O
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kuja pushes to the front
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it's doubtful at most
that you wrote that post"
fakesteve replied, "whatever, cunt" L Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 29th of January 2008 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. ] Total Posts: 1345 Average Posts Per Day: 2.58 Average Posts Per Week: 18.06 Posts made in the last week: 28 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Lenwe Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 4th of March 2008 Birthday: August 10, 1984 Country: Netherlands Quote: [What's up?] Total Posts: 555 Average Posts Per Day: 1.14 Average Posts Per Week: 7.98 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. LucasWoJ Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Saturday, 19th of May 2007 Birthday: May 19, 1992 Country: United States Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut] Total Posts: 556 Average Posts Per Day: 0.72 Average Posts Per Week: 5.04 Posts made in the last week: 18 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Alright, how can I make myself a prime mafia suspect...hmm, here are some vague references (they can refer to anything!)
- Pirates have always been elusive figures.
- Oh the times! Oh the morals!
- Lasciat ogni speranza, voi che intrante.
- ”凡事须得研究，才会明白。“ - 鲁迅
- Focus the machine!
- white, blue, red, red, yellow, green, purple, brown, black, colors!
- "Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s.
- Feyman's "Law of gravitation" <--best lecture I've ever read
There, clues shouldn't be too difficult to think up with all that junk.
SHADOW SHADOW SHADOW! DRAGON FIRE STORK JAEDONG DINOSAUR SPACESHIP
I hope I'm providing the right words. Let's see...
Knife, gun, burning alive, matches, broken bottle, movie sign, punched to death, kicked to death, boiled to death, run over by a car, abducted by aliens, asphyxiation, defenestration, hanging, flaying, flagellation, robbery, arson, etc.
electronic device, book, sunglasses and other accessories.
CAR CAR CAR
cat, dog, any other pet, lion, tiger, wolf,
Little, medium, large
You got me Caller; you got me. I completely omitted an entire section of what could substantiate a clue. Songs. Ipod. Michael Jackson. Bon Jovi. Billy Joel. The beatles. Frank Sinatra. Wang Lee Hom. Bing Crosby. There.
War.
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Duke. motbob Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Friday, 18th of July 2008 Birthday: August 26, 1989 Country: United States Quote: [What's great about this sig is the strategic Xel'naga watch tower] Total Posts: 1638 Average Posts Per Day: 4.68 Average Posts Per Week: 32.76 Posts made in the last week: 137 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Pyrrhuloxia Photo: Joined TL.net: Saturday, 3rd of May 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Let\'s go Stork! Take down Bisu! MAFIA FORUM: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31］Total Posts: 2740 Average Posts Per Day: 6.44 Average Posts Per Week: 45.08 Posts made in the last week: 49 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + redtooth Photo: Joined TL.net: Saturday, 27th of December 2008 Birthday: February 05, 1991 Country: United States Quote: [Ketchup] Total Posts: 715 Average Posts Per Day: 3.79 Average Posts Per Week: 26.53 Posts made in the last week: 22 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Ketchup (also spelled catsup or catchup), also known as tomato ketchup, tomato sauce, red sauce, Tommy sauce, Tommy K, or dead horse, is a condiment, usually made from tomatoes. The ingredients in a typical modern ketchup are tomato concentrate, spirit vinegar, corn syrup or other sugar, salt, spice and herb extracts (including celery), spice and garlic powder. Allspice, cloves, cinnamon, onion, and other vegetables may be included.
Ketchup started as a general term for sauce, typically made of mushrooms or fish brine with herbs and spices. I'm pretty angelic. Some popular early main ingredients included blueberry, anchovy, oyster, lobster, walnut, kidney bean, cucumber, cranberry, lemon, celery and grape.
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W-L: 1-0 (+1)
Individual: 3-1 (+2)
Week 1: vs. Florida Win (3-1)
Week 2: TBD
Week 3: TBD
Week 4: TBD
Week 5: TBD
Individuals:
3 Lions (C): 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
alphafuzard: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
fOrTT: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
NiceGuy(i2): 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
nbtnbt5: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
vx70GTOJudgexv: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
Jaysmurff[PvT]: 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
yenta: 1-0 (vT 0-0, vP 1-0, vZ 0-0)
Demonic_Phate: 0-1 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-1) ydg Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Saturday, 22nd of March 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.] Total Posts: 549 Average Posts Per Day: 1.17 Average Posts Per Week: 8.19 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. -Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD-Took out all confirmed townies(by death) Weather debate: On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather.
Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort.
Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues.
Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again
Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb.
I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today.
Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him.
Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people.
Now,
Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow
Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day.
I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward. I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back. On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote:
The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating.
There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia. I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA?? On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:
Fishball:
"Passing by.
Role confirmed."
"I see a lot of math...
If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first."
"I abstain"
Shikyo:
"Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day."
(after death)
"Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet."
"Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town."
"I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "
Elemenope:
"/confirm
As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.
Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.
As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).
And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.
I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits
Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?"
"Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?"
"WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET"
"hurrdurr"
"I abstain from voting."
Vivi57:
no posts in main thread
"just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now
it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep"
"I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler
reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability
edit: bolded properly"
BONUS:
JeeJee:
"also shikyo is mafia" On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:
where the hell did araav come from wtf To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page).Im voting to lynch Heavonearth. If anything else is buried, please post.
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How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over.
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On July 08 2009 06:50 ydg wrote:There's a lull now so I shall repost this: Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 11:12 ydg wrote:Some buried posts: + Show Spoiler +On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote:First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse). Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider. Show nested quote +
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later. Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him. The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse. France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there. Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then. On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote:I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page. Day 1Show nested quote +All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.
As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.
The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.
Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.
“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.
Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter. Day 2Show nested quote +Liquiville prided itself on it’s cheese, after all it was Liquiville’s primary export. The Cheese factory lay on the outskirts of the village and operated around the clock manufacturing cheese. Four members of the Mafia congregated outside of the factory and planned to butcher the occupants and ruin the towns economy. The Mafia entered the building and split up; two travelled alone while two travelled together.
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.
There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.
Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.
Meanwhile in Liquiville’s most holy temple a Priest was channeling all his rage and hate into the corpse of the recently deceased MrBabyHands. Uncertain of what his fate would be, the Priest knew in his heart that whatever the outcome, MrBabyHands must walk again for the sake of the town. The resurrection had begun. Red Clues link to TruthBringer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringerFirst off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors. Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room. Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could. Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so. Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here. Blue clues link to Kuja900. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is. Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here. So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer. On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote:hey, hey let's see who is who, shall we? + Show Spoiler [users] + araav Photo: Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 29th of September 2004 Birthday: June 19, 1979 Country: Armenia Quote: [The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.] Total Posts: 1442 Average Posts Per Day: 0.83 Average Posts Per Week: 5.81 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. BloodyC0bbler Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 1st of September 2004 Birthday: June 02, 1986 Country: Canada Quote: [Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !] Total Posts: 2476 Average Posts Per Day: 1.40 Average Posts Per Week: 9.80 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 23rd of November 2004 Birthday: December 15, 1987 Country: Australia Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31I'm on a boat] Total Posts: 1897 Average Posts Per Day: 1.13 Average Posts Per Week: 7.91 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Mafia Forum!And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator. And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob SourceOh sorry I forgot you can't read binary. - Sonuvbob You're going to cut off this thing first with just a knife, using only ice as a painkiller, hoping you don't fuck up and in case you do, you're going to put salt or pepper on it? This will end well. - Ramsing SourceHave a moderate day. - Chill Thank you so much Klockan, this thread had me all depressed SC2 is like christmas when you're 5, to me. This thread was the equivalent of someone saying "let's skip christmas this year". - FrozenArbiter In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams I am the master of vegetable timing rush. - Silver http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54575no edits. How varied really was protoss projectiles in BWs? They had goons and cannons that shot the same blue balls and reavers that shot bigger, fatter, longer ranged, buggy blue balls. - IntoTheWannaBe America turtled on island and tech to nukes. Also, some drop harass. - Jyvblamo, On WWII ଈ BWdero Photo: Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of February 2008 Birthday: October 15, 1989 Country: Netherlands Quote: [Fuck Kespa.] Total Posts: 401 Average Posts Per Day: 0.80 Average Posts Per Week: 5.60 Posts made in the last week: 12 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. chaoser Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 26th of November 2008 Birthday: March 02, 1988 Country: United States Quote: [ Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.] Total Posts: 382 Average Posts Per Day: 1.74 Average Posts Per Week: 12.18 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +(12:22:39 AM) krimson: SON
(12:22:44 AM) krimson: IM the ninja trainer
(12:22:46 AM) krimson: i train ninjas
(12:22:47 AM) ostrich: wtf
(12:22:52 AM) ostrich: you're a pokemon trainer
(12:22:57 AM) krimson: POKEMON ARE NINJAS Chezinu Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 6th of February 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [lol, clueless] Total Posts: 235 Average Posts Per Day: 0.46 Average Posts Per Week: 3.22 Posts made in the last week: 6 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Chezinu has a cursed green skin that the old god of the mafia world has given him. The cursed caused him to be nothing more than a vanilla townie as long as the god reign. But Chezinu now has hope! A new god of a new mafia world has appear and Chezinu was fortunate enough to be the 18th soul to be transfer to the new world. If the new god of mafia has favor on Chezinu and remove the curse, there would be great praise to the mighty Plexa!
No praise for you!! Why Plexa Why!! Clasic Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 15th of January 2009 Birthday: May 06, 1990 Country: Bosnia-Herzegovina Quote: [but see women also more useful than men becaues they have vaginas - evanthebouncy] Total Posts: 871 Average Posts Per Day: 5.14 Average Posts Per Week: 35.98 Posts made in the last week: 113 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. ecomania Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 28th of February 2008 Birthday: Country: Germany Quote: [] Total Posts: 10 Average Posts Per Day: 0.02 Average Posts Per Week: 0.14 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Falcynn Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Friday, 10th of June 2005 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [mission codename: applesauce applesauce applesauce] Total Posts: 2977 Average Posts Per Day: 2.01 Average Posts Per Week: 14.07 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Faronel Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 17th of July 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 267 Average Posts Per Day: 0.76 Average Posts Per Week: 5.32 Posts made in the last week: 16 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Foolishness Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of May 2009 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 135 Average Posts Per Day: 2.75 Average Posts Per Week: 19.25 Posts made in the last week: 5 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. GoodWill Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Sunday, 1st of February 2009 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821] Total Posts: 55 Average Posts Per Day: 0.36 Average Posts Per Week: 2.52 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Does KGB cheat? http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821<< Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009 << Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7 Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot. << Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46 How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same. Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52 By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively << Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54 and no, they are not. << Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58 Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing. I like your style. << Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60 "Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing." How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing. "I like your style." What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks. << Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64 If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead. This thread delivers. :> << Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73 No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow. << Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74 You have to tell me which step you fail at. 1. A leads to C B leads to C 2. A and B have same effect. 3. A and B are effectively the same. Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80 but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect. If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect. but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information. As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope << Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91 Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement. << Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119 only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation/edit: or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't... Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134 Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something. << Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136 while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point. people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options. It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option. << Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 "If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. " Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing? Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76 In solid state physics, for example. << Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78 lol ughe nerd << Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78 he accidently the whole sentence << Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84 shit . << Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54 What the fuck is the problem? they're the same effectively You can't read? << Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56 even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51. oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that? << Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59 "even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll." Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid. "See #48, #49, #51." So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point? "oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?" Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you. << Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63 Stop being plain fucking stupid. << Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71 just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts. << Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137 you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :> << Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59 ESR delivers << Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56 They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive. They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care. Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote. << Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66 That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes. << Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70 "Effectively" literally means "With effect". "For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same. << Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72 your attempt at funny failed. get over it. << Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75 Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all? << Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77 Who are you to judge really, lol! << Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79 Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL! << Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72 No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same. But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision. << Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83 I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this. << Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87 Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D << Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88 :D << Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83 "No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process." Which to which? "Language is not math." Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to. "Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same." No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move". "But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision." First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? << Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90 but can you describe language using math? << Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"." http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821Same applies to your statement then? ( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively ) Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution. Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous. Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be: First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context. Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 . The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll . Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97 Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B. << Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122 See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no? A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here. << Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123 It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally. It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities. Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123 You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma. and stuff << Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is. I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided. But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense. *The real purpose of course being drama << Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66 He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him. Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95 No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes. Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98 Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight. << Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100 Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account. And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases. Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101 he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him. << Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111 But where's the fun in that? << Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101 Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at. Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience. It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'. << Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115 <3 << Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100 since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!) if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect<< Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102 No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites. Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105 first drogen experience, genosse? << Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107 mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled? << Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116 ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup << Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118 Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid? << Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120 lol troll, you failed! << Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118 'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of. << Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124 jonesy > you << Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125 Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender. << Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126 yup. so what? << Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105 wtf? << Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105 oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail. << Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110 he went for fail only it seems << Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113 this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history. << Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129 try visiting counterstrike.de << Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133 yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw) << Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139 don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal. 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kuja pushes to the front
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it's doubtful at most
that you wrote that post"
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- Pirates have always been elusive figures.
- Oh the times! Oh the morals!
- Lasciat ogni speranza, voi che intrante.
- ”凡事须得研究，才会明白。“ - 鲁迅
- Focus the machine!
- white, blue, red, red, yellow, green, purple, brown, black, colors!
- "Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s.
- Feyman's "Law of gravitation" <--best lecture I've ever read
There, clues shouldn't be too difficult to think up with all that junk.
SHADOW SHADOW SHADOW! DRAGON FIRE STORK JAEDONG DINOSAUR SPACESHIP
I hope I'm providing the right words. Let's see...
Knife, gun, burning alive, matches, broken bottle, movie sign, punched to death, kicked to death, boiled to death, run over by a car, abducted by aliens, asphyxiation, defenestration, hanging, flaying, flagellation, robbery, arson, etc.
electronic device, book, sunglasses and other accessories.
CAR CAR CAR
cat, dog, any other pet, lion, tiger, wolf,
Little, medium, large
You got me Caller; you got me. I completely omitted an entire section of what could substantiate a clue. Songs. Ipod. Michael Jackson. Bon Jovi. Billy Joel. The beatles. Frank Sinatra. Wang Lee Hom. Bing Crosby. There.
War.
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W-L: 1-0 (+1)
Individual: 3-1 (+2)
Week 1: vs. Florida Win (3-1)
Week 2: TBD
Week 3: TBD
Week 4: TBD
Week 5: TBD
Individuals:
3 Lions (C): 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
alphafuzard: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
fOrTT: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
NiceGuy(i2): 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
nbtnbt5: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
vx70GTOJudgexv: 0-0 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
Jaysmurff[PvT]: 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
yenta: 1-0 (vT 0-0, vP 1-0, vZ 0-0)
Demonic_Phate: 0-1 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-1) ydg Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Saturday, 22nd of March 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.] Total Posts: 549 Average Posts Per Day: 1.17 Average Posts Per Week: 8.19 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. -Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD-Took out all confirmed townies(by death) Weather debate: On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather.
Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort.
Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues.
Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again
Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb.
I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today.
Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him.
Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people.
Now,
Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow
Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day.
I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward. I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back. On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote:
The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating.
There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia. I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA?? On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:
Fishball:
"Passing by.
Role confirmed."
"I see a lot of math...
If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first."
"I abstain"
Shikyo:
"Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day."
(after death)
"Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet."
"Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town."
"I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "
Elemenope:
"/confirm
As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.
Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.
As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).
And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.
I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits
Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?"
"Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?"
"WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET"
"hurrdurr"
"I abstain from voting."
Vivi57:
no posts in main thread
"just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now
it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep"
"I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler
reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability
edit: bolded properly"
BONUS:
JeeJee:
"also shikyo is mafia" On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:
where the hell did araav come from wtf To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page).Im voting to lynch Heavonearth. If anything else is buried, please post.
Why are you reposting the same shit repeatedly?
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ydg, out of curiosity, why haven't you changed for vote from ecomania to TruthBringer? Granted you may think Truthbringer is innocent (or it's a mafia mind game, I don't know), but you would think that if you're going to be lynched, that you'd put your vote on the currently leading lynch choice, putting that extra layer of security between you being safe and you being lynched.
Please don't change your vote because of me, I'd just like to know why you're okay with being so close to a lynch.
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On July 08 2009 07:34 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2009 06:50 ydg wrote:There's a lull now so I shall repost this: On July 07 2009 11:12 ydg wrote:Some buried posts: + Show Spoiler +On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote:First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse). Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider. Show nested quote +
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later. Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him. The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse. France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there. Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then. On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote:I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page. Day 1Show nested quote +All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.
As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.
The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.
Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.
“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.
Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter. Day 2Show nested quote +Liquiville prided itself on it’s cheese, after all it was Liquiville’s primary export. The Cheese factory lay on the outskirts of the village and operated around the clock manufacturing cheese. Four members of the Mafia congregated outside of the factory and planned to butcher the occupants and ruin the towns economy. The Mafia entered the building and split up; two travelled alone while two travelled together.
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.
There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.
Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.
Meanwhile in Liquiville’s most holy temple a Priest was channeling all his rage and hate into the corpse of the recently deceased MrBabyHands. Uncertain of what his fate would be, the Priest knew in his heart that whatever the outcome, MrBabyHands must walk again for the sake of the town. The resurrection had begun. Red Clues link to TruthBringer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringerFirst off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors. Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room. Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could. Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so. Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here. Blue clues link to Kuja900. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is. Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here. So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer. On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote:hey, hey let's see who is who, shall we? + Show Spoiler [users] + araav Photo: Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 29th of September 2004 Birthday: June 19, 1979 Country: Armenia Quote: [The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.] Total Posts: 1442 Average Posts Per Day: 0.83 Average Posts Per Week: 5.81 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. BloodyC0bbler Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 1st of September 2004 Birthday: June 02, 1986 Country: Canada Quote: [Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !] Total Posts: 2476 Average Posts Per Day: 1.40 Average Posts Per Week: 9.80 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 23rd of November 2004 Birthday: December 15, 1987 Country: Australia Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31I'm on a boat] Total Posts: 1897 Average Posts Per Day: 1.13 Average Posts Per Week: 7.91 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Mafia Forum!And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator. And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob SourceOh sorry I forgot you can't read binary. - Sonuvbob You're going to cut off this thing first with just a knife, using only ice as a painkiller, hoping you don't fuck up and in case you do, you're going to put salt or pepper on it? This will end well. - Ramsing SourceHave a moderate day. - Chill Thank you so much Klockan, this thread had me all depressed SC2 is like christmas when you're 5, to me. This thread was the equivalent of someone saying "let's skip christmas this year". - FrozenArbiter In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams I am the master of vegetable timing rush. - Silver http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54575no edits. How varied really was protoss projectiles in BWs? They had goons and cannons that shot the same blue balls and reavers that shot bigger, fatter, longer ranged, buggy blue balls. - IntoTheWannaBe America turtled on island and tech to nukes. Also, some drop harass. - Jyvblamo, On WWII ଈ BWdero Photo: Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of February 2008 Birthday: October 15, 1989 Country: Netherlands Quote: [Fuck Kespa.] Total Posts: 401 Average Posts Per Day: 0.80 Average Posts Per Week: 5.60 Posts made in the last week: 12 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. chaoser Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 26th of November 2008 Birthday: March 02, 1988 Country: United States Quote: [ Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.] Total Posts: 382 Average Posts Per Day: 1.74 Average Posts Per Week: 12.18 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +(12:22:39 AM) krimson: SON
(12:22:44 AM) krimson: IM the ninja trainer
(12:22:46 AM) krimson: i train ninjas
(12:22:47 AM) ostrich: wtf
(12:22:52 AM) ostrich: you're a pokemon trainer
(12:22:57 AM) krimson: POKEMON ARE NINJAS Chezinu Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 6th of February 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [lol, clueless] Total Posts: 235 Average Posts Per Day: 0.46 Average Posts Per Week: 3.22 Posts made in the last week: 6 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Chezinu has a cursed green skin that the old god of the mafia world has given him. The cursed caused him to be nothing more than a vanilla townie as long as the god reign. But Chezinu now has hope! A new god of a new mafia world has appear and Chezinu was fortunate enough to be the 18th soul to be transfer to the new world. If the new god of mafia has favor on Chezinu and remove the curse, there would be great praise to the mighty Plexa!
No praise for you!! Why Plexa Why!! Clasic Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 15th of January 2009 Birthday: May 06, 1990 Country: Bosnia-Herzegovina Quote: [but see women also more useful than men becaues they have vaginas - evanthebouncy] Total Posts: 871 Average Posts Per Day: 5.14 Average Posts Per Week: 35.98 Posts made in the last week: 113 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. ecomania Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 28th of February 2008 Birthday: Country: Germany Quote: [] Total Posts: 10 Average Posts Per Day: 0.02 Average Posts Per Week: 0.14 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Falcynn Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Friday, 10th of June 2005 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [mission codename: applesauce applesauce applesauce] Total Posts: 2977 Average Posts Per Day: 2.01 Average Posts Per Week: 14.07 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + Faronel Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 17th of July 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 267 Average Posts Per Day: 0.76 Average Posts Per Week: 5.32 Posts made in the last week: 16 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Foolishness Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of May 2009 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 135 Average Posts Per Day: 2.75 Average Posts Per Week: 19.25 Posts made in the last week: 5 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. GoodWill Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Sunday, 1st of February 2009 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821] Total Posts: 55 Average Posts Per Day: 0.36 Average Posts Per Week: 2.52 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Does KGB cheat? http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821<< Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009 << Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7 Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot. << Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46 How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same. Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52 By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively << Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54 and no, they are not. << Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58 Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing. I like your style. << Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60 "Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing." How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing. "I like your style." What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks. << Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64 If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead. This thread delivers. :> << Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73 No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow. << Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74 You have to tell me which step you fail at. 1. A leads to C B leads to C 2. A and B have same effect. 3. A and B are effectively the same. Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80 but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect. If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect. but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information. As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope << Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91 Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement. << Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119 only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation/edit: or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't... Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134 Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something. << Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136 while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point. people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options. It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option. << Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 "If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. " Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing? Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76 In solid state physics, for example. << Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78 lol ughe nerd << Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78 he accidently the whole sentence << Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84 shit . << Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54 What the fuck is the problem? they're the same effectively You can't read? << Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56 even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51. oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that? << Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59 "even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll." Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid. "See #48, #49, #51." So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point? "oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?" Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you. << Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63 Stop being plain fucking stupid. << Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71 just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts. << Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137 you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :> << Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59 ESR delivers << Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56 They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive. They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care. Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote. << Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66 That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes. << Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70 "Effectively" literally means "With effect". "For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same. << Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72 your attempt at funny failed. get over it. << Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75 Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all? << Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77 Who are you to judge really, lol! << Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79 Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL! << Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72 No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same. But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision. << Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83 I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this. << Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87 Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D << Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88 :D << Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83 "No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process." Which to which? "Language is not math." Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to. "Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same." No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move". "But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision." First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? << Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90 but can you describe language using math? << Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"." http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821Same applies to your statement then? ( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively ) Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution. Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous. Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be: First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context. Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 . The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll . Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97 Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B. << Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122 See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no? A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here. << Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123 It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally. It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities. Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123 You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma. and stuff << Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is. I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided. But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense. *The real purpose of course being drama << Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66 He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him. Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95 No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes. Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98 Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight. << Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100 Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account. And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases. Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101 he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him. << Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111 But where's the fun in that? << Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101 Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at. Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience. It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'. << Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115 <3 << Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100 since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!) if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect<< Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102 No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites. Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105 first drogen experience, genosse? << Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107 mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled? << Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116 ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup << Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118 Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid? << Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120 lol troll, you failed! << Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118 'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of. << Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124 jonesy > you << Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125 Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender. << Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126 yup. so what? << Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105 wtf? << Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105 oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail. << Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110 he went for fail only it seems << Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113 this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history. << Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129 try visiting counterstrike.de << Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133 yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw) << Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139 don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal. 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- "Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s.
- Feyman's "Law of gravitation" <--best lecture I've ever read
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electronic device, book, sunglasses and other accessories.
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Jaysmurff[PvT]: 1-0 (vT 1-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-0)
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Demonic_Phate: 0-1 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-1) ydg Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Saturday, 22nd of March 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.] Total Posts: 549 Average Posts Per Day: 1.17 Average Posts Per Week: 8.19 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. -Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD-Took out all confirmed townies(by death) Weather debate: On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather.
Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort.
Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues.
Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again
Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb.
I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today.
Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him.
Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people.
Now,
Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow
Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day.
I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward. I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back. On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote:
The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating.
There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia. I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA?? On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:
Fishball:
"Passing by.
Role confirmed."
"I see a lot of math...
If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first."
"I abstain"
Shikyo:
"Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day."
(after death)
"Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet."
"Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town."
"I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "
Elemenope:
"/confirm
As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.
Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.
As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).
And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.
I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits
Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?"
"Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?"
"WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET"
"hurrdurr"
"I abstain from voting."
Vivi57:
no posts in main thread
"just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now
it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep"
"I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler
reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability
edit: bolded properly"
BONUS:
JeeJee:
"also shikyo is mafia" On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:
where the hell did araav come from wtf To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page).Im voting to lynch Heavonearth. If anything else is buried, please post. Why are you reposting the same shit repeatedly?
To confuse the fuck out of the town.
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I guess we should think of it this way: if we think mafia/angels will figure out the priest, vote rain. If not, vote fog?
Definitely need rain tomorrow to help MBH live through the night unless MBH says otherwise. He'll probably be able to have a list of confirmed blues to pass info towards.
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On July 08 2009 06:10 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2009 04:51 L wrote:
I haven't actually done the math on 2 priests with 2 seperate protections each. I was operating under the assumption that they could only protect 2 targets.
The KP difference is probably close to .5 or .6 net difference, but the real gem in voting rain would be access to the vote lists tonight. The problem is that we need to organize the current vote in order to maximize the information we're getting and the current vote is tight. I doubt people will want to switch around. I think you are wrong. The real gem is that every hit protected gives the angel a person to trust and mafia has to guess if they were blocked or they hit an angel themselves. With 5 hits and 4 protections is we need just 1 block to make it win/win and even in worst case we may be forcing mafia to stack hits. Rain is far better then fog.
We're going to have a confirmed innocent townie to share our information with as of tomorrow regardless, but yeah, I do think that's a very good point. The problem is that the likelyhood of a random selection of target and hits gives us a really REALLY low number of hits to work with. Fog reduces the chance that the mafia hit our priest from 20% unclued to 16% unclued, with corresponding priest chances of success being lower because of the potential to prot a mafia member.
If it makes you feel better, I voted rain after the 2 seperate targets per priest rule was clarified. If we can get at least 1 of those 4 on the priest, we can substantially improve our potential to win.
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On July 08 2009 08:10 So no fek wrote:
ydg, out of curiosity, why haven't you changed for vote from ecomania to TruthBringer? Granted you may think Truthbringer is innocent (or it's a mafia mind game, I don't know), but you would think that if you're going to be lynched, that you'd put your vote on the currently leading lynch choice, putting that extra layer of security between you being safe and you being lynched.
Please don't change your vote because of me, I'd just like to know why you're okay with being so close to a lynch.
Oh I actually voted for Truthbringer (was the second to do so), and, knowing that I'm green, if Truthbringer turns out to be red, voila there's a huge list of people who have voted for me at the end in an attempt to sway me to be lynched (if I don't get lynched, that is).
If it so happens that I do get lynched, then again these people are under suspicion because I really don't think there's any reason to lynch me, but they're just voting for me (like chaoser, Kuja, scara) out of nowhere.
I also made my peace with being lynched yesterday lol.
So I guess I'm trying to bait mafia, in case Truthbringer is in fact mafia? If I don't get lynched then either Truthbringer is not mafia (why wouldn't mafia want to save one of their own when it's so close), or they don't want to risk it.
Also, if I were mafia, I wouldn't risk myself like this, would I?
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On July 08 2009 07:34 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2009 06:50 ydg wrote:There's a lull now so I shall repost this: On July 07 2009 11:12 ydg wrote:Some buried posts: + Show Spoiler +On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote:First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse). Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider. Show nested quote +
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later. Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him. The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse. France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there. Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then. On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote:I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page. Day 1Show nested quote +All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.
As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.
The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.
Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.
“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.
Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter. Day 2Show nested quote +Liquiville prided itself on it’s cheese, after all it was Liquiville’s primary export. The Cheese factory lay on the outskirts of the village and operated around the clock manufacturing cheese. Four members of the Mafia congregated outside of the factory and planned to butcher the occupants and ruin the towns economy. The Mafia entered the building and split up; two travelled alone while two travelled together.
The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.
The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.
There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.
Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.
Meanwhile in Liquiville’s most holy temple a Priest was channeling all his rage and hate into the corpse of the recently deceased MrBabyHands. Uncertain of what his fate would be, the Priest knew in his heart that whatever the outcome, MrBabyHands must walk again for the sake of the town. The resurrection had begun. Red Clues link to TruthBringer: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringerFirst off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile. The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy. The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors. Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock. Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room. Third: The method of death; Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could. Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so. Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here. Blue clues link to Kuja900. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is. Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here. So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer. On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote:hey, hey let's see who is who, shall we? + Show Spoiler [users] + araav Photo: Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 29th of September 2004 Birthday: June 19, 1979 Country: Armenia Quote: [The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.] Total Posts: 1442 Average Posts Per Day: 0.83 Average Posts Per Week: 5.81 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. BloodyC0bbler Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 1st of September 2004 Birthday: June 02, 1986 Country: Canada Quote: [Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !] Total Posts: 2476 Average Posts Per Day: 1.40 Average Posts Per Week: 9.80 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 23rd of November 2004 Birthday: December 15, 1987 Country: Australia Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31I'm on a boat] Total Posts: 1897 Average Posts Per Day: 1.13 Average Posts Per Week: 7.91 Posts made in the last week: 35 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Mafia Forum!And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator. And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob SourceOh sorry I forgot you can't read binary. - Sonuvbob You're going to cut off this thing first with just a knife, using only ice as a painkiller, hoping you don't fuck up and in case you do, you're going to put salt or pepper on it? This will end well. - Ramsing SourceHave a moderate day. - Chill Thank you so much Klockan, this thread had me all depressed SC2 is like christmas when you're 5, to me. This thread was the equivalent of someone saying "let's skip christmas this year". - FrozenArbiter In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams I am the master of vegetable timing rush. - Silver http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54575no edits. How varied really was protoss projectiles in BWs? They had goons and cannons that shot the same blue balls and reavers that shot bigger, fatter, longer ranged, buggy blue balls. - IntoTheWannaBe America turtled on island and tech to nukes. Also, some drop harass. - Jyvblamo, On WWII ଈ BWdero Photo: Joined TL.net: Friday, 15th of February 2008 Birthday: October 15, 1989 Country: Netherlands Quote: [Fuck Kespa.] Total Posts: 401 Average Posts Per Day: 0.80 Average Posts Per Week: 5.60 Posts made in the last week: 12 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. chaoser Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 26th of November 2008 Birthday: March 02, 1988 Country: United States Quote: [ Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.] Total Posts: 382 Average Posts Per Day: 1.74 Average Posts Per Week: 12.18 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +(12:22:39 AM) krimson: SON
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(12:22:57 AM) krimson: POKEMON ARE NINJAS Chezinu Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 6th of February 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [lol, clueless] Total Posts: 235 Average Posts Per Day: 0.46 Average Posts Per Week: 3.22 Posts made in the last week: 6 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Chezinu has a cursed green skin that the old god of the mafia world has given him. The cursed caused him to be nothing more than a vanilla townie as long as the god reign. But Chezinu now has hope! A new god of a new mafia world has appear and Chezinu was fortunate enough to be the 18th soul to be transfer to the new world. If the new god of mafia has favor on Chezinu and remove the curse, there would be great praise to the mighty Plexa!
No praise for you!! Why Plexa Why!! Clasic Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 15th of January 2009 Birthday: May 06, 1990 Country: Bosnia-Herzegovina Quote: [but see women also more useful than men becaues they have vaginas - evanthebouncy] Total Posts: 871 Average Posts Per Day: 5.14 Average Posts Per Week: 35.98 Posts made in the last week: 113 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. ecomania Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Thursday, 28th of February 2008 Birthday: Country: Germany Quote: [] Total Posts: 10 Average Posts Per Day: 0.02 Average Posts Per Week: 0.14 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. 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GoodWill Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Sunday, 1st of February 2009 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821] Total Posts: 55 Average Posts Per Day: 0.36 Average Posts Per Week: 2.52 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Does KGB cheat? http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821<< Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009 << Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7 Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot. << Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46 How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same. Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52 By USSR Demiurge ++' changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively << Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54 and no, they are not. << Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58 Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing. I like your style. << Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60 "Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing." How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing. "I like your style." What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks. << Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64 If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead. This thread delivers. :> << Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73 No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow. << Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74 You have to tell me which step you fail at. 1. A leads to C B leads to C 2. A and B have same effect. 3. A and B are effectively the same. Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80 but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect. If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect. but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information. As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope << Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91 Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement. << Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119 only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation/edit: or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't... Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134 Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something. << Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136 while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point. people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options. It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option. << Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69 "If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. " Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing? Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76 In solid state physics, for example. << Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78 lol ughe nerd << Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78 he accidently the whole sentence << Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84 shit . << Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54 What the fuck is the problem? they're the same effectively You can't read? << Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56 even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51. oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that? << Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59 "even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll." Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid. "See #48, #49, #51." So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point? "oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?" Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you. << Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63 Stop being plain fucking stupid. << Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67 Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Let me make this very simple for you. A leads to C B leads to C A and B have same effect. A and B are effectively the same. Do you understand now? << Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71 just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts. << Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137 you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :> << Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59 ESR delivers << Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56 They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive. They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care. Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote. << Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61 The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about? << Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66 That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes. << Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70 "Effectively" literally means "With effect". "For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same. << Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72 your attempt at funny failed. get over it. << Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75 Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all? << Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77 Who are you to judge really, lol! << Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79 Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL! << Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72 No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same. But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision. << Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83 I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this. << Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87 Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D << Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88 :D << Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83 "No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process." Which to which? "Language is not math." Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to. "Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same." No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move". "But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision." First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? << Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90 but can you describe language using math? << Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"." http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821Same applies to your statement then? ( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively ) Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution. Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous. Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be: First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same? It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context. Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 . The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll . Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97 Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B. << Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122 See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no? A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here. << Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123 It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally. It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities. Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123 You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma. and stuff << Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90 agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is. I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided. But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense. *The real purpose of course being drama << Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66 He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him. Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95 No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes. Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98 Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight. << Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100 Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account. And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases. Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101 he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him. << Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111 But where's the fun in that? << Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101 Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at. Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience. It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'. << Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115 <3 << Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100 since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!) if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect<< Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102 No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites. Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 << Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105 first drogen experience, genosse? << Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107 mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled? << Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116 ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup << Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118 Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid? << Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120 lol troll, you failed! << Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118 'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of. << Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124 jonesy > you << Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125 Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender. << Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126 yup. so what? << Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105 wtf? << Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105 oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail. << Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110 he went for fail only it seems << Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113 this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history. << Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129 try visiting counterstrike.de << Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133 yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw) << Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >> (Link, Reply) By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139 don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal. 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kuja pushes to the front
and says "fakesteve, to be blunt
it's doubtful at most
that you wrote that post"
fakesteve replied, "whatever, cunt" L Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 29th of January 2008 Birthday: Country: Canada Quote: [YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. ] Total Posts: 1345 Average Posts Per Day: 2.58 Average Posts Per Week: 18.06 Posts made in the last week: 28 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Lenwe Photo: Joined TL.net: Tuesday, 4th of March 2008 Birthday: August 10, 1984 Country: Netherlands Quote: [What's up?] Total Posts: 555 Average Posts Per Day: 1.14 Average Posts Per Week: 7.98 Posts made in the last week: 2 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. LucasWoJ Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Saturday, 19th of May 2007 Birthday: May 19, 1992 Country: United States Quote: [The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut] Total Posts: 556 Average Posts Per Day: 0.72 Average Posts Per Week: 5.04 Posts made in the last week: 18 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Alright, how can I make myself a prime mafia suspect...hmm, here are some vague references (they can refer to anything!)
- Pirates have always been elusive figures.
- Oh the times! Oh the morals!
- Lasciat ogni speranza, voi che intrante.
- ”凡事须得研究，才会明白。“ - 鲁迅
- Focus the machine!
- white, blue, red, red, yellow, green, purple, brown, black, colors!
- "Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s.
- Feyman's "Law of gravitation" <--best lecture I've ever read
There, clues shouldn't be too difficult to think up with all that junk.
SHADOW SHADOW SHADOW! DRAGON FIRE STORK JAEDONG DINOSAUR SPACESHIP
I hope I'm providing the right words. Let's see...
Knife, gun, burning alive, matches, broken bottle, movie sign, punched to death, kicked to death, boiled to death, run over by a car, abducted by aliens, asphyxiation, defenestration, hanging, flaying, flagellation, robbery, arson, etc.
electronic device, book, sunglasses and other accessories.
CAR CAR CAR
cat, dog, any other pet, lion, tiger, wolf,
Little, medium, large
You got me Caller; you got me. I completely omitted an entire section of what could substantiate a clue. Songs. Ipod. Michael Jackson. Bon Jovi. Billy Joel. The beatles. Frank Sinatra. Wang Lee Hom. Bing Crosby. There.
War.
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Duke. motbob Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Friday, 18th of July 2008 Birthday: August 26, 1989 Country: United States Quote: [What's great about this sig is the strategic Xel'naga watch tower] Total Posts: 1638 Average Posts Per Day: 4.68 Average Posts Per Week: 32.76 Posts made in the last week: 137 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Pyrrhuloxia Photo: Joined TL.net: Saturday, 3rd of May 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Let\'s go Stork! Take down Bisu! MAFIA FORUM: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31］Total Posts: 2740 Average Posts Per Day: 6.44 Average Posts Per Week: 45.08 Posts made in the last week: 49 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + redtooth Photo: Joined TL.net: Saturday, 27th of December 2008 Birthday: February 05, 1991 Country: United States Quote: [Ketchup] Total Posts: 715 Average Posts Per Day: 3.79 Average Posts Per Week: 26.53 Posts made in the last week: 22 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Ketchup (also spelled catsup or catchup), also known as tomato ketchup, tomato sauce, red sauce, Tommy sauce, Tommy K, or dead horse, is a condiment, usually made from tomatoes. The ingredients in a typical modern ketchup are tomato concentrate, spirit vinegar, corn syrup or other sugar, salt, spice and herb extracts (including celery), spice and garlic powder. Allspice, cloves, cinnamon, onion, and other vegetables may be included.
Ketchup started as a general term for sauce, typically made of mushrooms or fish brine with herbs and spices. I'm pretty angelic. Some popular early main ingredients included blueberry, anchovy, oyster, lobster, walnut, kidney bean, cucumber, cranberry, lemon, celery and grape.
Ketchup is often used with chips (French fries), hamburgers, sandwiches and grilled or fried meat. Ketchup is also used as a base for various sauces. Scamp Photo: Joined TL.net: Thursday, 2nd of October 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Cheese is good for you!] Total Posts: 132 Average Posts Per Day: 0.48 Average Posts Per Week: 3.36 Posts made in the last week: 1 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. Scaramanga Photo: Joined TL.net: Thursday, 6th of March 2008 Birthday: August 24, 1992 Country: Australia Quote: [IM ON A BOAT MOTHER FUCKER DONT YOU EVER FORGET Youngho, Sangwon and Kangmin, Allkill please! fLb altitude team hwaiting!] Total Posts: 3056 Average Posts Per Day: 6.32 Average Posts Per Week: 44.24 Posts made in the last week: 55 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. So no fek Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Sunday, 12th of June 2005 Birthday: January 26, 1990 Country: United States Quote: [#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36] Total Posts: 1072 Average Posts Per Day: 0.72 Average Posts Per Week: 5.04 Posts made in the last week: 27 Public Profile + Show Spoiler + StorZerg Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Wednesday, 27th of February 2008 Birthday: November 14, 1988 Country: United States Quote: [] Total Posts: 928 Average Posts Per Day: 1.89 Average Posts Per Week: 13.23 Posts made in the last week: 259 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. TruthBringer Photo: Joined TL.net: Thursday, 13th of November 2003 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [Carbon FC] Total Posts: 469 Average Posts Per Day: 0.23 Average Posts Per Week: 1.61 Posts made in the last week: 3 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +And on the 8th day, God created ownage . . . vx70GTOJudgexv Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Sunday, 30th of November 2008 Birthday: October 28, 1990 Country: United States Quote: [Entusman #25 - GO BERSERKER!!!! /// Team MA/CT HWAITING!] Total Posts: 1685 Average Posts Per Day: 7.83 Average Posts Per Week: 54.81 Posts made in the last week: 59 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +Team Massachusetts/Connecticut
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Week 1: vs. Florida Win (3-1)
Week 2: TBD
Week 3: TBD
Week 4: TBD
Week 5: TBD
Individuals:
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Demonic_Phate: 0-1 (vT 0-0, vP 0-0, vZ 0-1) ydg Photo: None uploaded.Joined TL.net: Saturday, 22nd of March 2008 Birthday: Country: United States Quote: [The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.] Total Posts: 549 Average Posts Per Day: 1.17 Average Posts Per Week: 8.19 Posts made in the last week: 15 Public Profile + Show Spoiler +No public profile for this user. -Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD-Took out all confirmed townies(by death) Weather debate: On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather.
Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort.
Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues.
Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again
Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb.
I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today.
Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him.
Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people.
Now,
Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow
Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day.
I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward. I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back. On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote:
The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating.
There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia. I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA?? On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:
Fishball:
"Passing by.
Role confirmed."
"I see a lot of math...
If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first."
"I abstain"
Shikyo:
"Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day."
(after death)
"Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet."
"Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town."
"I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "
Elemenope:
"/confirm
As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.
Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.
As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).
And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.
I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits
Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?"
"Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?"
"WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET"
"hurrdurr"
"I abstain from voting."
Vivi57:
no posts in main thread
"just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now
it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep"
"I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler
reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability
edit: bolded properly"
BONUS:
JeeJee:
"also shikyo is mafia" On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:
where the hell did araav come from wtf To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning: There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page).Im voting to lynch Heavonearth. If anything else is buried, please post. Why are you reposting the same shit repeatedly?
Shit? My my, what a dirty mouth, why so offensive? Let me try it: Why do you keep posting the same spamming pieces of shit that come out of your useless mouth instead of information that would help the town? Instead, the only things you've posted are useless, or shit that defends yourself from a weak clue connection. Hell, you didn't even have to post that shit because it was so weak, I guess you wanted to distance yourself from bc, right? Too bad, because if bc is mafia, I'm pretty sure you are too.
As to why I repost it, well no one is posting anything and no one seems to have seen it (especially my phoenix connection which I think warrants discussion) and why the fuck can I not repost it? Do I have to fucking listen to every thing that comes out of your useless mouth? Who the fuck gives you the authority to say what I can and can not post? If you don't want to see what I have to say then don't read it maybe? No need to be a troll.
There, did that work?
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Okay I'm finally caught up and it's nice to have my options reduced to two.
Of the two I think lynching ydg gives us more information.
Plus there's the information that will be gained in the next 9 hours. This will probably get interesting.
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On July 08 2009 07:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over.
Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it.
I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object."
The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird.
Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think.
And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct.
But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it.
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On July 08 2009 09:15 Scamp wrote:
Okay I'm finally caught up and it's nice to have my options reduced to two.
Of the two I think lynching ydg gives us more information.
Plus there's the information that will be gained in the next 9 hours. This will probably get interesting.
Mafia.
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On July 08 2009 09:18 ydg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2009 07:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over. Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it. I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object." The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird. Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think. And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct. But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it.
OH AND
http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/archives/014105.html
Julia Roberts and Joaquin Phoenix have the same birthday. Hence, Mr. Julia.
I hope I do get lynched tonight so I can as Plexa if I'm right LOL.
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You should not do that. If you are revived, you would know too much.
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I won't allow myself to be revived then.
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What if you are desperately wanted back?
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Chances are Plexa won't give anyone information until the game is finished. At least that's how I assume it will play out. 
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Guys, I feel like we missed an essential part of mafia analysis. That part being: why isn't ________ dead?
Prior to the Day post, there were 3 "prime" targets:
- L
- Heav0nEarth
- Pyrr
They were the biggest movers/shakers not named BC. Why would mafia play alphabet soup instead of trying to knock off the actually helpful people? The question is whether one of them is mafia or whether they are doing more harm to the town than good (Pyrr's clue analysis is often farfetched and L's friendly banters with BC tend to bury a lot of possibly informative posts) and mafia is just willing to sit back and let them do damage. I'm sure mafia is not incompetent enough to just kill off totally random people with no hints of blueness and no real usefulness than take a shot at the useful ones.
I'm willing to bet that one of the above are mafia.
Remember, the general consensus among the town was that one of the candidates for Emperor is mafia. Why did we totally drop that idea as soon as BC was elected? I believe L and Heav0n are prime suspects and should be watched very carefully. Truthbringer's color will likely reveal a lot but let's not take L and Heav0n (and to a way lesser extent Pyrr) off the suspect list yet.
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On July 08 2009 10:08 redtooth wrote:Guys, I feel like we missed an essential part of mafia analysis. That part being: why isn't ________ dead? Prior to the Day post, there were 3 "prime" targets: - L - Heav0nEarth - Pyrr + Show Spoiler +They were the biggest movers/shakers not named BC. Why would mafia play alphabet soup instead of trying to knock off the actually helpful people? The question is whether one of them is mafia or whether they are doing more harm to the town than good (Pyrr's clue analysis is often farfetched and L's friendly banters with BC tend to bury a lot of possibly informative posts) and mafia is just willing to sit back and let them do damage. I'm sure mafia is not incompetent enough to just kill off totally random people with no hints of blueness and no real usefulness than take a shot at the useful ones. Remember, the general consensus among the town was that one of the candidates for Emperor is mafia. Why did we totally drop that idea as soon as BC was elected? I believe L and Heav0n are prime suspects and should be watched very carefully. Truthbringer's color will likely reveal a lot but let's not take L and Heav0n (and to a way lesser extent Pyrr) off the suspect list yet.
What would you like to bet? And how much?
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