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On May 22 2009 07:25 HeavOnEarth wrote: oh true, cause you don't even know if you're a BG eh. possibly they got lucky? =/ Players are informed that they are a bodyguard. The PMs were sent out right after the lynch of Infinity21.
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On May 22 2009 07:25 HeavOnEarth wrote: oh true, cause you don't even know if you're a BG eh. possibly they got lucky? =/ that's what i've been saying this entire time...
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Im just going to say this: arguing right now is useless at least for me because a) I have no clue about mafia. b) I may be dead tomorrow. c) All my ideas about this game went trash with the town lynching Ace and Ver modkilling himself. d) I have nothing to suggest to the blues left. ~waiting for next day.
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Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.<
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On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote: Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.<
Why in the world would the mafia kill Dreamflower? I can't think of a single reason.
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About Nemy:
Let's do this. If Mafia haven't killed him tomorrow, let's not lynch him. We know he can't logically be Mafia, but he can be the traitor, and wasting a lynch on him is not worth it. Nor is it worth it to Vigi him.
Instead, let's have him use his rolecheck ability over the next three nights without explicitly acting on the info he gives us, provided that Mafia doesn't kill him off before then. If it's still not apparent that he is innocent after his rolechecks are all used up, we lynch him. Upon lynching, we gain the information of whether he was being honest or not for sure without wasting any of our coming lynches to reduce KP on what is either the traitor or true DT.
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On May 22 2009 07:38 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote: Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.< Why in the world would the mafia kill Dreamflower? I can't think of a single reason.
She roleclaimed Vigilante.
If she's telling the truth then they may kill her off just to be safe.
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On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote: Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.< If 4 hits come in you cant lynch her if she is alive. Unless you want to come foward and claim you made the hit wich is stupid anyways because you could have claimed before the day post comes: theres only one vigi this game.
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Also, as an afterthought, I would ask the remaining DT(s) not to role check Nemy. There's always the possibility of him being the Godfather, which would be the only logical scenario in which he got Mafia and decided to so openly expose himself. Make better use of your abilities on people we have less potential control over.
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I believe the player assigned the role of bodyguard know they have that role, but no one else (elected officials, other bodyguards, or detectives rolechecking them) knows they're a bodyguard. So, theoretically, it is possible to betray yourself behaviorally as a bodyguard, by clamming up after elections when the role is handed out, for example.
And speaking of roles, especially blue roles, I've been thinking about who I should use my vigi hit on tonight. I've decided that I should target MrBabyHands. I would appreciate hearing everyone's input on this, though please remember that I can use my hit as I wish.
With Ver dead and verified as a veteran, I don't think there are many players left who could have killed off so many blue roles so early. MrBabyHands showed himself to be an outstanding behavior analyst in Chuiu's most recent Mafia game, where I recall he single-handedly found at least five Mafia using behavior analysis with a light helping of clue connections. He can work quite fast, and in that game, at least, he was very rarely mistaken in his analysis. Were he on the Mafia side, I'm pretty sure he could identify blue roles in the town with equal accuracy.
And for those of you who think the bodyguards were killed by luck, I would like to ask: If the Mafia were just stabbing in the dark, why hit LucasWoJ and mikeymoo? Both have played in several games, but both are fairly low-profile players who wouldn't normally be high priorities for early deaths. Considering there are only six Mafia in this game, there must have been a few town-aligned players who would have been better targets based on merit, rather than role. So, I'm pretty sure those two were targeted because they were bodyguards.
In addition, MrBabyHands has only posted once or twice ever in this game. This is in stark contrast to his steady activity in Chuiu's game, where he debated styles of analysis, criticized plans for confirming innocents, and wrote long posts presenting suspects and analysis. He even posted large pictures taunting others, rather like a more pointed Caller. In this game, he's showed up a handful of times to talk about behavior analysis, then disappeared. If he's town-aligned, why isn't he helping? Why wouldn't he lend his skills at analysis to help us?
It might also be mentioned that Ver believed that MrBabyHands is the one of the few who has ever successfully "read" Fishball (he found out he was a vigilante in Chuiu's game). I don't really know much about this, as I'm barely a beginner at behavior analysis, but it's worth adding to the argument.
I believe that, if he is Mafia, he would prove extremely dangerous to town. If not, well, then he is simply being appallingly inactive. But I don't think that's the case, given his behavioral analysis skills and the deaths on Day One.
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Bah, I type too slowly.
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On May 22 2009 07:39 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 07:38 Scamp wrote:On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote: Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.< Why in the world would the mafia kill Dreamflower? I can't think of a single reason. She roleclaimed Vigilante. If she's telling the truth then they may kill her off just to be safe.
Well I guess I didn't factor in the mafia being dumb.
If Dreamflower is the vigi then they're not going to be able to kill her before she uses her power tonight. Whether or not she does use her power she's damn suspicious to the town right now, and if she's not mafia then the mafia will want to keep her alive. And of course they won't hit her if she is mafia.
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I'd say he's a good target in general. There are a small number of potential Day 1 clues for him and several people have stated their suspicion of him based on not living up to previous game activities. I'd go ahead and send in your hit; if he happens to show up with loads of analysis that seems pro-town, then maybe you can switch to somebody else later.
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is MBH really that good? I didn't play chuiu's game. If so, that makes a lot of sense ..D:
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On May 22 2009 08:00 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 07:39 MTF wrote:On May 22 2009 07:38 Scamp wrote:On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote: Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.< Why in the world would the mafia kill Dreamflower? I can't think of a single reason. She roleclaimed Vigilante. If she's telling the truth then they may kill her off just to be safe. Well I guess I didn't factor in the mafia being dumb. If Dreamflower is the vigi then they're not going to be able to kill her before she uses her power tonight. Whether or not she does use her power she's damn suspicious to the town right now, and if she's not mafia then the mafia will want to keep her alive. And of course they won't hit her if she is mafia.
Mafia doesn't need to be dumb to kill her off, merely cautious. It's a gamble for them. Let her live and hope town get's suspicious enough to lynch her if she doesn't blindly fire off a shot tonight or kill her now and be done with it entirely.
It doesn't matter that she doesn't have a high chance of hitting red if she kills someone tonight. It only matters that she has the ability to and the Mafia knows that.
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On May 22 2009 05:44 L wrote: Okay, I've done my day 1 reading.
nemY's probably mafia. In fact, when the day 3 rolls around, I'm pretty sure it'll be 100% confirmed for various reasons.
Tricode, I am 90% certain, is a fucking stupid townie, but a townie nonetheless.
Mynock, I am 90% certain, is legit as well.
Scamp looks very red :3
Some thoughts.
Ace and Ver were innocent. During the opening phases of the election, mafia would have likely put 1 or 2 on either/or in order to be able to cut support and spread out their members in order to hide them. Mafia would have a candidate running, though.
Likely Showtime. Earlier on the scene than nemY, showtime had a burst of votes very quickly on the premise that he's a douchebag. Bandwagon forming activity which was then abandoned rapidly when Ace said that all candidates would be checked. Ver pulled far ahead and mafia realized that even with a 2 vote swing (from Ver to Showtime), Ver could remove support from showtime and end the incipient steal.
After abandoning Showtime, nemY pops up and then goes afk for the majority of the game after failing at getting office.
If you aren't traitor, then you're retarded.
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I just did a 13 hour shift and come home to see this shit: Ver committing suicide when I asked him not to; Ace getting lynched and now some scallywags decide to call me out when they KNOW I'm at work and they KNOW I make most of my moves behind the scenes. If you want to talk to me message me. It's as simple as that.
There's a reason I haven't posted much. I'm busy doing clue/behaviour analysis behind the scenes with a few players.
At first I beleieved L was the traitor, but after the recent events he very well might be red. If I live tonight, you can expect my vote. You've done enough damage to this Town as is. Fuck you.
FYI I've been interrogating Ver and Ace behind the scenes to get the story from their perspective. This is why I stuck to my guns by voting for Plexa.
I cannot believe the amount of BS some of you guys are pulling off. I feel like getting modkilled myself
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for the love of god, no more mod killings
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Ok team heres how things are going.
MBH is getting vigi'd Both dts have used their rolecheck and we have two more greens.
Now, we have a list of people who should live till tommorrow.
Me L Mynock Dreamflower Nemy(yes nemy) Mtf Caller
We have one medic, protect someone on that list accordingly.
We currently have a semblance of a town unity formed at the moment, so lets use it to our advantage before people try to destroy it again. We need to come up with decent and solid leads on who to lynch tommorrow. My bet would be on 0cz as one of them, but we can obviously discuss this as time goes on, as well as who else we should kill.
Now, for shifty motherfuckers
0cz is insanely shifty Malongo is another insanely shift person mbh for obvious reasons. Scaramanga Camlito Plexa.
You 6 should start trying to explain your relatively inactivity on most parts, and general douchebaggery on others, as none of you are helping the town.
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line em up and lynch em one by one =/
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