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Peter[Deuce]
United States93 Posts
Try reaver dropping pvt while macroing try doing the corsair reaver harass pvz that bisu does i have 220 apm with 150 eapm and i still feel it isn't enough as a protoss =/ edit: "my point is that i wouldn't have minded, only if this guy was doing as much as what i was doing." does" does seem like an apm topic to me ;/ when i offrace tvp also, i lose to 120 apm tosses but i just know it was my fault for positioning myself and attacking badly =/ | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
It would make me feel like we both put in around same amount of effort doing something but I had put more thought and strategy into doing it, therefore bearly putting me ahead of him and securing the game thanks to my superiority. If he was the type of player that OP described, I would feel like he's playing with the minimum requirements just to stall the game, turtling in a way like Terrans often do by simple going 5z6z7d8d(or something) and using a terrain advantage while doing nothing else. It is like fighting a turtling terran because you have to slowly pick them apart, or expand a lot so when they starve you can fight even though they have an advantage and still be ahead after losing a fight. That makes you have to draw the game out longer, even though you can tell you will eventually win. For Ex. I get a feeling like that in school sometimes where I am quite a hardworking student and I take pride in my work and do my very best on it. But the teacher is slack as fuck and the student who put a few things together at the last moment managed to get the same grade as I did even though mine is obviously better and I put more work into it than the other student. Although because of the slack and easy marking teacher, he just gave us both A's. EDIT: FYI, I play TvP and PvT, I cannot TvT for shit, so this is not a biased opinion. Protoss used to be my main race for ages. I am not saying PvT is any less annoying, as I do hate it when terrrans turtle like I described, both PvT and TvP are annoying in that sense. So when the OP only describes TvP is doesn't mean one bit that he is saying that TvP is the only matchup where such and instance happens. It just happens to be the case in this thread. | ||
Boblion
France8043 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:41 Lurker wrote: but the fact is that ONLY 120 apm can easily suffice to contend against 200+ apm terran players. 200 apm of not really spamming that is. and that is really disappointing. how he can half-ass the game by just doing 1a2a3a and simple macro. it happens to me to. EDIT :capitalized only for emphasis^^;; Because terran mechanics isn't as mindless than protoss mechanics ? It is even worse actually. I hate those kids who think they are smarter than the low apm protoss because they can spam. But what's the point ? Are you using " super clever strats ? No. You are just a dumb and dull robot who try to emulate Korean progamer playstyle then whine because he can barely win vs a D+ protoss. Oh and btw you can still beat protoss with <150 apm even if you are a terran. Especially a D+ protoss LOLololol. | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:04 daz wrote: if you think its hard killing shitty protosses in tvp you should try killing shitty terrans pvt. even the worst terran player can make me waste an extra 10 min by just sitting with their natural and turtling and not gging while i have the entire map. i mean he doesnt even need 123 apm or any hotkeys all he has to do is build tanks and fuckin siege them and you will waste a good 10 min of my life. i wouldnt even bring this up except it happens all the time and its really annoying Oh please You're complaining about Terran turtling? Cannons + ht + dts As long as there is a ramp protoss can turtle like crazy | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:45 Lurker wrote: quite fair too, sir. as arbiters can not only cloak units, but easily stasis your army. HOW AMAZINGLY FAIR or recall in your mineral line. Terran has to be really really gay to have a toss with the whole map have a hard time breaking him. And if he is, its just like any other form of BM which every race is capable. So many times toss accuse a terran of turtling when hes just building up units. It's not my fault you're too stupid to tech when I have like 3 turrets in my base. And its definitely not my fault if you decide to do retarded suicide attacks into my nat | ||
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Lurker
57 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:49 Boblion wrote: Because terran mechanics isn't as mindless than protoss mechanics ? It is even worse actually. I hate those kids who think they are smarter than the low apm protoss because they can spam. But what's the point ? Are you using " super clever strats ? No. You are just a dumb and dull robot who try to emulate Korean progamer playstyle then whine because he can barely win vs a D+ protoss. Oh and btw you can still beat protoss with <150 apm even if you are a terran. Especially a D+ protoss LOLololol. sorry that the dull dumb robot made his way through C rank where 90% of games were TvP LOLolol | ||
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daz
Canada643 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:44 fusionsdf wrote: you should try out arbiters or carriers some time I hear their pretty neat thats not how it works on low levels its 40eapm protoss vs 100eapm terran on lower levels protoss is substantially easier than terran. We've had this discussion on TL many times, and the majority of people (even protosses) agree with it. i dont know if you ever actually play starcraft but 1. arbiters are useless if the terran sits in his base with turrets and tanks 2. carriers take a long fucking time to make | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:49 Boblion wrote: Because terran mechanics isn't as mindless than protoss mechanics ? It is even worse actually. I hate those kids who think they are smarter than the low apm protoss because they can spam. But what's the point ? Are you using " super clever strats ? No. You are just a dumb and dull robot who try to emulate Korean progamer playstyle then whine because he can barely win vs a D+ protoss. Oh and btw you can still beat protoss with <150 apm even if you are a terran. Especially a D+ protoss LOLololol. lurker's derailing the thread, that i know. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:51 daz wrote: i dont know if you ever actually play starcraft but 1. arbiters are useless if the terran sits in his base with turrets and tanks 2. carriers take a long fucking time to make you have the whole fucking map make like 8 stargates honestly | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:46 CapO wrote: if he was my level, i would be satisfied. why? because he was my level. if i played and lost against kwark, whos supposedly a really good player with low apm, i would not have minded. i'd understand that his mechanics are better than mine. u still don't get that APM is not the main topic here. oh, APM is the main topic here. read your OP. it pisses me off that a player like him with such a low apm with 1a2a3a tactics, hes able to pull off some gay shit to make it into a late game. my point is that i wouldn't have minded, only if this guy was doing as much as what i was doing. you're basically saying "fuck he has 50% my apm protoss is so fucking easy you can play at 50% and still put up a good fight. im so mad, why doesnt he have to play as fast as me" yeah that has nothing to do with apm at all. It's like, okay, your opinion (yeah how you managed to actually call it a fact is beyond me, but feel free to provide me with numerical data) is that protoss is easier to play. Why not switch to it? Obviously there's something bad about it that you wouldn't want to play it. Now that we've established protoss is not all sunshine and roses, let me bring up another point What if i were to make a blog, saying "what the fuck it pisses me off that a player like him with such terrible analytical ability, just emulating builds he found online, he's able to do all that gay shit without even thinking and make it into late game. my point is that i wouldn't have minded, only if this guy was thinking as much as i was" what would you say? | ||
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daz
Canada643 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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daz
Canada643 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:56 JeeJee wrote: damn i almost wish pvz was back the way it was so that the protoss were considered the whiners and not everyone else dont fucking say that please dont ever say that i played starcraft for the first 9 years when protoss was the worst race i dont want to go back to it again. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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statix
United States1760 Posts
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:54 JeeJee wrote: oh, APM is the main topic here. read your OP. you're basically saying "fuck he has 50% my apm protoss is so fucking easy you can play at 50% and still put up a good fight. im so mad, why doesnt he have to play as fast as me" yeah that has nothing to do with apm at all. It's like, okay, your opinion (yeah how you managed to actually call it a fact is beyond me, but feel free to provide me with numerical data) is that protoss is easier to play. Why not switch to it? Obviously there's something bad about it that you wouldn't want to play it. Now that we've established protoss is not all sunshine and roses, let me bring up another point What if i were to make a blog, saying "what the fuck it pisses me off that a player like him with such terrible analytical ability, just emulating builds he found online, he's able to do all that gay shit without even thinking and make it into late game. my point is that i wouldn't have minded, only if this guy was thinking as much as i was" what would you say? i think you're blindly posting. u don't even try to put ur position in mine. i do not believe that protoss is fucking easy. /sigh idk if you read this, maybe u suck at browsing, or maybe u just ignore everything i say and try to rant on ur own. here's the scenario that happened after this replay, "wow, shit 26 min long game. damn, it wasn't easy" "i think i played someone decent" (starts firefox for iccup website, checks the guy's record and flag) "wtf.. barely 50% win ratio at D+, and not a korean" "okay, let me take a look at his match list, hmm,, i admit that hes played a lotta koreans." "let me check the rep on bwchat" (looks at the hotkeys and apm) "WTF... /cry" do u not feel the same way i did? not a tiny bit? do u not feel my disappointment? am i the weird one here?  i understand what ur saying, but u don't seem to try to understand me at all. you obviously have too much internet ego to not give a fuck, but only yourself. XD | ||
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daz
Canada643 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:59 Grobyc wrote: Yes some people can be like that daz, but it is almost never '0%' and on iccup every last percent is a chance that their record might not get lowered. Whether it be from you getting pissed and leaving, him doing some awesome harass, waiting for a server crash, or whatever. All you can do is do what fusionsdf says. It's a fucking pain in the ass, I know, and that is exactly what CapO is getting at in his op, except it is the other way around in TvP, where he hass 6 expos and toss gets getting denied his 3rd, but turtles with arbs and storm, etc. You basically just supported the OP's opinion there. yeah i know im pretty much agreeing with him just saying hes not the only one that suffers it happens the other way around too | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
CapO, how do you know that the person you played wasn't a lesser version of KwarK? If he stayed in the game that long, he must've known something about SC and played at the same level as you. There's no way around that. His lesser APM doesn't mean anything. For reference, see KwarK. | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
On March 08 2009 16:07 Seraphim wrote: Omfg, the P vs T arguments are astoundingly stupid. This blog should've been closed a long time ago. CapO, how do you know that the person you played wasn't a lesser version of KwarK? If he stayed in the game that long, he must've known something about SC and played at the same level as you. There's no way around that. His lesser APM doesn't mean anything. For reference, see KwarK. if the blog or the discussion has gone to more than one page, i think you should read the previously posted comments more carefully before you make one. i was actually the one who mentioned kwark. i think you should read what i said. read before you post. | ||
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