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IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
for example, everyone complains about vultures being so powerful. But vultures take loads of babysitting to be effective. On low levels, protosses can just A move with their army (if its a decent size) and do good most of the time just with a decent flank. Terrans need to do vulture movements. Same when harrassing with them, or when defending with them against a counter. | ||
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deathgodtoss
Korea (North)189 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:00 Boblion wrote: Sometimes brain ( i mean protoss ) > mechanics. Thanks god. That's not because he has shitty hotkeys that he deserve to be bashed... I hate terran whiners. just playing efficiently with your 118 apm's is better than just spamming up to 200+. what was tasteless apm with toss again? | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On March 08 2009 16:07 Seraphim wrote: Omfg, the P vs T arguments are astoundingly stupid. This blog should've been closed a long time ago. CapO, how do you know that the person you played wasn't a lesser version of KwarK? If he stayed in the game that long, he must've known something about SC and played at the same level as you. There's no way around that. His lesser APM doesn't mean anything. For reference, see KwarK. That has already been discussed, it is not the APM that causes the anger, it's the fact that people in the game, drawing it out, when they are very likely going to lose. Yes they have a chance, whether it be 1% chance of winning or 40%, no one is denying that, but it is still nonetheless annoying. I'm sure Kwarks win rate is probably above 50% as well. The APM is not what sparks the anger in the first place, CapO was angered at the game before he even knew of the other players APM.... | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 08 2009 16:04 CapO wrote: i think you're blindly posting. u don't even try to put ur position in mine. i do not believe that protoss is fucking easy. /sigh idk if you read this, maybe u suck at browsing, or maybe u just ignore everything i say and try to rant on ur own. here's the scenario that happened after this replay, "wow, shit 26 min long game. damn, it wasn't easy" "i think i played someone decent" (starts firefox for iccup website, checks the guy's record and flag) "wtf.. barely 50% win ratio at D+, and not a korean" "okay, let me take a look at his match list, hmm,, i admit that hes played a lotta koreans." "let me check the rep on bwchat" (looks at the hotkeys and apm) "WTF... /cry" do u not feel the same way i did? not a tiny bit? do u not feel my disappointment? am i the weird one here?  i understand what ur saying, but u don't seem to try to understand me at all. i don't judge my opponents based on their apm. i judge them based on their skill level. Of course i read that. All it shows is that you thought you played someone decent. Then, all of a sudden, you saw that his apm number wasn't as high as you hoped, and for some reason, that player is no longer decent to you? That makes zero sense to me. and to answer your questions, no i don't feel the same way you do. no i don't feel your disappointment. When this happens to me, i'd instead be interested as to how they can be so efficient while matching me and look to improve my game, as opposed to bash theirs. | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
 so sure, i've seen ppl like you around everywhere on internet. so yeah, aite, keep it up. you can't always be with ppl u like XDyou can ignore my blog. it's turned out that it's more appropriate for ppl who are terran or zerg. didnt' mean to offend anyone. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
Anyway, I had an opponent that has a few tricks in ZvP with a 110 apm and the game drag about to 36 minutes.. Even though I know that my opponent's apm sucked it didn't matter because he had alot of tricks and I was happy I beat a zerg player in BS. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
Basically, it should be unanimous that PvT is simple mechanically. Stuff like 120 apm Fisheye, 100 whatever apm kwark is not unheard of. Yeah that's how it is, oh well just improve and don't worry about it. Who cares about effort so long as you win (although game length is a justifiable annoyance). What seems to be beyond sight here is that PvT is simpler strategically too at low levels. That's just a natural consequence of the matchup. Protoss, for the most part, control the overall flow of the game by their tech choices and the timing of their expansions. Terrans are left to react to whatever the Protoss do. Thus against good Terrans who can react to everything really well it's like walking a tightrope for the Protoss. But against sub C+/B- or so Terrans, the Protoss can do anything and the Terran won't know how to react to it properly. Their side of the thinking end at low levels is simply much harder and then it flips around at decent levels and goes even or so at pro levels. Again, that's just how it is. No use complaining about it, just improve or switch to Protoss if it bothers you. But face reality and realize that low level PvT is way easier mechanically and strategically than TvP is. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
Why are you playing against him in this ladder? Answer: he is the same level as you. So your complain about 1a2a3a is nonsense. -it pisses me off that a player like him with such a low apm with 1a2a3a tactics, hes able to pull off some gay shit to make it into a late game. -he was from chile -shitty record honestly the only thing wrong here is your attitude. If i had to give you advice is that you start using your time on your own game instead of how your opponent plays. Seems to me that the guy with the internet ego here is you. And no, im not that guy, but doest it really make a difference where he comes from? | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
On March 08 2009 16:56 malongo wrote: Most of the interesting points are already being discussed. Why are you playing against him in this ladder? Answer: he is the same level as you. So your complain about 1a2a3a is nonsense. -it pisses me off that a player like him with such a low apm with 1a2a3a tactics, hes able to pull off some gay shit to make it into a late game. -he was from chile -shitty record honestly the only thing wrong here is your attitude. If i had to give you advice is that you start using your time on your own game instead of how your opponent plays. Seems to me that the guy with the internet ego here is you. And no, im not that guy, but doest it really make a difference where he comes from? after reading the last sentence, i looked up and saw ur country. heh i said no offense, and please don't be one of those ppl like not all asians can't drive. we know.... koreans are typically better. come on, korean pros vs others. practically no doubt, right? maybe it's not just as obvious, but it seems like ur taking this pretty seriously. anyway, sry if my attitude seemed crappy to ya. don't wanna repeat things. peace | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
/slit wrist | ||
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
On March 08 2009 17:06 CapO wrote: after reading the last sentence, i looked up and saw ur country. heh i said no offense, and please don't be one of those ppl like not all asians can't drive. we know.... koreans are typically better. come on, korean pros vs others. practically no doubt, right? maybe it's not just as obvious, but it seems like ur taking this pretty seriously. anyway, sry if my attitude seemed crappy to ya. don't wanna repeat things. peace didnt you just say earlier he was from chile and thats a reason why hes bad? | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On March 08 2009 15:34 JeeJee wrote: why are you judging someone on their apm and hotkey usage? isn't that a little bit retarded? it's like, would you be happy if he played exact same skill level but have 200 apm and use all hotkeys? what? who cares? I think the idea is that atleast he wouldn't be working so much harder to get the same results. I can see how it would be somewhat frustrating to sweat your balls off, barely scratch a win, and see the other guy with less that 150 apm. | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
cant agree more with alphafuzard and rice, lol. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On March 08 2009 17:06 CapO wrote: after reading the last sentence, i looked up and saw ur country. heh i said no offense, and please don't be one of those ppl like not all asians can't drive. we know.... koreans are typically better. come on, korean pros vs others. practically no doubt, right? maybe it's not just as obvious, but it seems like ur taking this pretty seriously. anyway, sry if my attitude seemed crappy to ya. don't wanna repeat things. peace I never felt offended, in fact he could have been a player from Mexico, Italy or wherever. I was pointing you posted and cared about where does he come from and what his record is, none of them important about the discussion, as there are hundreds of koreans at the same level that go 1a2a3a 120 apm P and can own you with a better understanding of the game. Just get over it, Protoss can use less apm and still control theyr army effectively, and shitty record players can win or put a good fight against better players. Your attitude doesnt bother me, i was posting that you can win a lot more in your game taking a different approach, as the good players care a lot more in his own game rather than the opponent. Peace. | ||
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ToyotaDemon
Australia150 Posts
Realise that this is a 10 year old STRATEGY game which players can use their own minds to play however they want. Theres more to sc than winning, apm and builds. Why would mind games work if this game was TOTALLY decided by mechanics?! Theres a reason your in Chan D and not Chan 200apm on iccup, maybe he knows his speed is slow and is compensating for it using only zlots and goons to 1a2a3a. Although on paper it may not seem like hes going as hard out as you, but maybe if you asked him/saw him play he might of been expending as much energy as you were. Adapting your play style to a build > adapting a build to your play style And ease up, a win is a win, and maybe try taking a good look at yourself in this replay. To be honest I reckon he was the tactically and strategically superior player, but you were the mechanically superior player which won out in the end. And when did you have the idea that you 100% had the game? He stopped your push and still had his 3rd with his econ totally unharmed and you hadnt even started your 3rd base. If he expanded again quicker than he did, he would of won. This game was a pretty good game between players of the same skill I dont know why your getting fustrated over it, i dont think he was half-assing it, and he didnt just 1a2a3a all the time, he landed some nice storms on YOUR CLUMPED TANKS when you tried attacking 6 o clock, you pressed one button to siege (assuming that cos your tanks were clumped pretty damn tightly) he pressed one button to storm, about the same effort to do each action, actually more for storm cos u have to target where you want to storm. Also I saw only like 13 downloads +1 more for me so I dont know why ppl are just talking out of their asses when they havnt even watched the game. Tbh I thought you were lucky to have won that game because he made the wrong decision after defeating your push. Im not arguing that PvT is not easier at low levels but to me this guy knows his strength and weaknesses and plays according to them, when I watch you play, your push seems hesitant lacking some confidence but thats just me. Theres no need to be insecure about your skill, you use to be like me afraid that if I try my best get hammered by some 100 apm sucka that I will be noob for life. Instead ask yourself, why can he compete with me although he doesnt seem to play as hard as I do. Whats he doing or what am i doing that isnt allowing apm to be the deciding factor in the game....etc Anyways peace gg gl hf cos in the end its a game and theres nothing worse than not having fun playing a game. | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
On March 08 2009 16:12 deathgodtoss wrote: just playing efficiently with your 118 apm's is better than just spamming up to 200+. what was tasteless apm with toss again? 190+ now but he had 220-230 in an old replay pack where i gather was in a time when was more active? | ||
LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1101/scscrnshot030809122019.jpg) Mine apm: 114 His apm:256 I love bm terrans | ||
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ToyotaDemon
Australia150 Posts
I was a Terran player and so many ppl use to blame their loss on the race instead of being outplayed, sure it was pretty gay what the Protoss could do to you but, umm you chose terran no one told you to, learn2play it or change race like I did ^_^. | ||
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