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i don't understand...
in this game, i just played against a typical d+ protoss user on python. if you bwchart the rep, he doesn't use any hotkeys above 4. in the entire game, he was literally 1a2a3a.
i feel like shit that this game dragged on and ended after exactly 26 minutes. this kid had 112 apm, while i was practically utilizing all my hotkeys with 222 apm.
it pisses me off that a player like him with such a low apm with 1a2a3a tactics, hes able to pull off some gay shit to make it into a late game.
rep: http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=8498
this rant is not directly against this particular player.
my point is that i wouldn't have minded, only if this guy was doing as much as what i was doing.
ps: my scan timing might have been off during the 1st push, and maybe i could have ended the game then, but remember that it's not just this game as a whole. only the terran users would know 
respect to all terrans and zergs.
  
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So basically this is a "damn protoss making me play a 20 minute game with half my apm by using 3 hotkeys."
hmmm... i guess i know how you feel =/
it's the same for me but I end up losing 2/3 of the time 
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Man, I play protoss and I feel that terran is imba. Every Terran walls in these days. Protoss has no idea what the terran is doing. If I do a 1 gate build, I get owned by FD. If I do a 2 gate build, I get owned by siege expand. Terran will have finished a CC before I even start my nexus. Sometimes my 2 gate observer gets owned by 2 fact. Mines own my Dragoons. Scvs own my probes.
Siege tank +Vulture >> Zeolot +Dragoon.
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Seriously so many people on iCCup just don't know when to give up. I keep thinking to myself "jesus please leave already", and it always makes me play way worse when I'm just waiting for someone to get out and when I win it doesn't feel good at all
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why do you think terran users are angry all the time?
I started playing sc as protoss (ew) and I was happy and unstressed and everything was easy. Terran is exactly the opposite.
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Even when I offrace as terran I feel more angry than when I play protoss. I mean, I can lose a million times as protoss and not get angry but losing TvP just pisses me off sometimes.
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On March 08 2009 14:19 T.O.P. wrote:
Man, I play protoss and I feel that terran is imba. Every Terran walls in these days. Protoss has no idea what the terran is doing. If I do a 1 gate build, I get owned by FD. If I do a 2 gate build, I get owned by siege expand. Terran will have finished a CC before I even start my nexus. Sometimes my 2 gate observer gets owned by 2 fact. Mines own my Dragoons. Scvs own my probes.
Siege tank +Vulture >> Zeolot +Dragoon.
lol this sounded legit 
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On March 08 2009 14:22 Superiorwolf wrote:
Seriously so many people on iCCup just don't know when to give up. I keep thinking to myself "jesus please leave already", and it always makes me play way worse when I'm just waiting for someone to get out and when I win it doesn't feel good at all
Could not agree more.
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On March 08 2009 14:19 T.O.P. wrote:
Man, I play protoss and I feel that terran is imba. Every Terran walls in these days. Protoss has no idea what the terran is doing. If I do a 1 gate build, I get owned by FD. If I do a 2 gate build, I get owned by siege expand. Terran will have finished a CC before I even start my nexus. Sometimes my 2 gate observer gets owned by 2 fact. Mines own my Dragoons. Scvs own my probes.
Siege tank +Vulture >> Zeolot +Dragoon.
Although I too sometimes think that mines+terran ball=imba you're doing something wrong.
1 gate goons should have enough goons to repel FD; 2 gate you pressure if you scouted or make limited number of goons and be prepared to make more goons.
How are you losing to 2 fact with 2gate obs?
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Do you think Jaedong or Flash think stuff like this after losing to dragons? I wonder if July gets pissed after losing to Stork's APM that is hundreds lower...
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On March 08 2009 14:26 Ingenol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 14:22 Superiorwolf wrote:
Seriously so many people on iCCup just don't know when to give up. I keep thinking to myself "jesus please leave already", and it always makes me play way worse when I'm just waiting for someone to get out and when I win it doesn't feel good at all Could not agree more.
Yea, but that's the basis of great comebacks. The winner gets complacent, and 1 or 2 armies later the game's evened up.
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On March 08 2009 14:04 CapO wrote:i don't understand... in this game, i just played against a typical d+ protoss user on python. if you bwchart the rep, he doesn't use any hotkeys above 4. in the entire game, he was literally 1a2a3a. i feel like shit that this game dragged on and ended after exactly 26 minutes. this kid had 112 apm, while i was practically utilizing all my hotkeys with 222 apm. it pisses me off that a player like him with such a low apm with 1a2a3a tactics, hes able to pull off some gay shit to make it into a late game. rep: http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=8498this rant is not directly against this particular player. my point is that i wouldn't have minded, only if this guy was doing as much as what i was doing. ps: my scan timing might have been off during the 1st push, and maybe i could have ended the game then, but remember that it's not just this game as a whole. only the terran users would know respect to all terrans and zergs.
it sounds like you need to stop worrying about how fast you move around and focus more on what you actually do with your actions.
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United States2186 Posts
It's the reality of TvP. PvT is very very easy at low-mid levels. TvP is very very hard at all levels.
But most ICCUP Protosses are retarded and try to double expand all the time like this bum did. Once you confirm that they do with an scv you can just run them over with a 4 fact push (no armory). That should hopefully ease some of your very understandable woes.
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play as zerg. a win is always a good feeling :D
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why should people have to have "222" apm to play the game?
apm isnt everything anyways maybe you arent utilizing your apm as well as you could be and just spamming
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Everyone knows Protoss takes the least apm to play. Does this mean it's easy? Only if Starcraft were a shallow game where the only relevent factor was the speed of your hands. My apm is lowest when I play PvZ but it's by far the hardest matchup for me. My apm is low because I'm constantly thinking- about how to scout, harass, expand, react to zerg's movements. PvP is the opposite for me; I know the matchup instinctually and it's more about mechanics. I play much faster but I consider it much easier.
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On March 08 2009 14:47 Rice wrote:
why should people have to have "222" apm to play the game?
apm isnt everything anyways maybe you arent utilizing your apm as well as you could be and just spamming
no, i don't spam after the beginning.
apm is not everything, you are right. did i say that? maybe you didn't get my point.
with the low apm, he was only doing 1a2a3a (no joke, for real).
edit: it's like me doing the best i can to win, while this another guy is playing with his feet like w/e and then drag the game... sigh. i suck
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Katowice25012 Posts
I love how every terran and zerg player has a huge complex about their race :D
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And it's been said, but if you really care about winning and having it easy and you really believe that playing Protoss is the way to acheive this then you're a moron for playing Terran. But of course, you wouldn't want that feeling to be taken away from you, that you're the victim, the underdog. Any time you lose (or hell, not win quickly enough!) you can always say "well I'm playing the hardest race, noob". It's elitism and it takes away from the spirit of what is supposed to be a fun game. I play Protoss. And I lose. A lot. I don't give a shit. I'm secure in my mediocrity and just want to hang out with like minded people who enjoy playing the best rts game in the whole damn world, not people who get off on constantly complaining about how hard they have it and how much better they clearly are than everyone else.
Just had to get that off my chest.
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Sometimes brain ( i mean protoss ) > mechanics. Thanks god.
That's not because he has shitty hotkeys that he deserve to be bashed...
I hate terran whiners.
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