EPTAs far as the topic of creationism/religion is concerned, the idea of a god or creator is not illogical. The notion that any human religion is even close to true is beyond absurd.
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
As far as the topic of creationism/religion is concerned, the idea of a god or creator is not illogical. The notion that any human religion is even close to true is beyond absurd. | ||
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TheFlashyOne
Canada450 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On February 01 2009 12:04 MyLostTemple wrote: jesus christ man, do you even see the logical flaw in this whole argument? you have no evidence that we need "medicine" to be fine. i know tons of athiests, myself and others, who live perfectly healthy lives. i donate to charity and try to be a good friend to people. everyone makes mistakes but i do my best to be a good person. obviously religions preach about doing the right thing. unfortunately this has also been misinterpreted into war, genocide, racism and homophobia. it also has a strew of completely illogical bi-products like denying blood transfusions, believing in a virgin birth, telling women they can't get an education, masturbation is a sin, condoms can't be used in africa when aids is rampant, not eating pork, wearing special underpants and much much more. there is absolutely no reason for religion to be part of a normal healthy persons life. why do we need to goto church to suck up to god and take his "medicine"? why is it necessary to jump through all these hoops when it's glaringly obvious that people can be just fine without it? also, i feel that this blog is getting derailed, if you guys want me to make another religion thread, in the main section and moderate that, maybe one involving Christopher Hitchens instead of Richard Dawkins then i'm happy to do that. I'm not here to argue the logics of God. I'm only here to present my view on things, as are you. I didn't post to try and "convince" you that God exists or to say that using logic you can tell that there's God. In fact, that wouldn't make any sense because faith is a big part of religion. there is absolutely no reason for religion to be part of a normal healthy persons life. why do we need to goto church to suck up to god and take his "medicine"? why is it necessary to jump through all these hoops when it's glaringly obvious that people can be just fine without it? Before I say any more, I want to say that I, in no way, look down upon non-believers and what they believe in. This is the exact thing I was talking about. You make feel that you are normal and healthy, but the Bible says otherwise and whether you believe this or not is up to you. Also, you may feel that going to church is a labor and a chore and that one only does so to "suck up to god" but I can testify otherwise, and so can many other Christians. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 01 2009 12:31 BanZu wrote: I'm not here to argue the logics of God. I'm only here to present my view on things, as are you. I didn't post to try and "convince" you that God exists or to say that using logic you can tell that there's God. In fact, that wouldn't make any sense because faith is a big part of religion. Before I say any more, I want to say that I, in no way, look down upon non-believers and what they believe in. This is the exact thing I was talking about. You make feel that you are normal and healthy, but the Bible says otherwise and whether you believe this or not is up to you. Also, you may feel that going to church is a labor and a chore and that one only does so to "suck up to god" but I can testify otherwise, and so can many other Christians. -_- Some of these things that people from both sides are saying. Absolutely hilarious. | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
Anyway, you can be both an agnostic and an atheist; they're not contradictory terms. Being an atheist simply means you don't believe in god(s), while being an agnostic means you acknowledge that you cannot provide concrete proof for this belief. The label of agnostic atheist probably fits Tasteless best. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
 EDIT: On February 01 2009 12:04 MyLostTemple wrote: Alright, I don't want to debate with you but I really have to respond. You can be an atheist, thats alright with me, I just don't like militant atheists. I have no idea if you are, so don't take offense. I just have to say, while you are right that organized religion can be manipulated to spread ignorance, and even control a society, that this ability is true for most ideologies, and is a possibility always. Religion or not, most of these events in history probably would have occurred. Ignorance would of still been there, and there would of been someone rallying people behind him/her to spread these beliefs.jesus christ man, do you even see the logical flaw in this whole argument? you have no evidence that we need "medicine" to be fine. i know tons of athiests, myself and others, who live perfectly healthy lives. i donate to charity and try to be a good friend to people. everyone makes mistakes but i do my best to be a good person. obviously religions preach about doing the right thing. unfortunately this has also been misinterpreted into war, genocide, racism and homophobia. it also has a strew of completely illogical bi-products like denying blood transfusions, believing in a virgin birth, telling women they can't get an education, masturbation is a sin, condoms can't be used in africa when aids is rampant, not eating pork, wearing special underpants and much much more. there is absolutely no reason for religion to be part of a normal healthy persons life. why do we need to goto church to suck up to god and take his "medicine"? why is it necessary to jump through all these hoops when it's glaringly obvious that people can be just fine without it? also, i feel that this blog is getting derailed, if you guys want me to make another religion thread, in the main section and moderate that, maybe one involving Christopher Hitchens instead of Richard Dawkins then i'm happy to do that. Well anyways, good luck debating with this guy, religious debates are always fun.  | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
On February 01 2009 12:15 TheFlashyOne wrote: Guys guys guys....i like all your debate skills and your philosophical finesse...but face it. God exists. indeed i do put forth my best to be humble and keep a low profile, but i guess sometimes, there's nothing wrong in indulging myself in the stout glorifications of my stoic followers! now, sacrifice me a lamb and build magnificent marble statues in honor of my omnipotence! | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
do you realize how dumb that is? | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On February 01 2009 14:53 IdrA wrote: Err? I didn't say that. I said most of the crimes in history that Religion has caused would have occurred anyways, because man was the one who caused them, Religion was just a means to rally people. There are many other means. For that, Tasteless should not hate religion. That was my reference to militant atheists. I don't care if you don't believe in God, I don't even care if you aren't comfortable with the idea of organized religions [I, personally, am not], I do care when people think that Religion is the cause of most problems in the past, present, and future.most of the events probably would have occured so you shouldnt argue against it? do you realize how dumb that is? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
and yes you did say you have a problem with arguing against it, you said you didnt like militant atheists (which is what that means, atheists who push their beliefs) | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On February 01 2009 15:09 IdrA wrote: I don't have a problem with people who debate on weather or not god exists, and takes the side of atheism. That is what I meant. Religion has been the most common tool to motivate masses throughout history to do wrong, as well as right. As you said, so what, these qualities can be found elsewhere. From cult personalities to god damn economic theory. Communism isn't wrong because hundreds of millions died under Communist regimes. That was the act of man. Communism is wrong because its fucking stupid economic theory. religion has been one of the most commonly used tools to motivate masses throughout history, the fact that others exist is irrelevant. religion is a means to harm and has very few redeeming values, none that cant be found elsewhere. so why do you have a problem with arguing against it? and yes you did say you have a problem with arguing against it, you said you didnt like militant atheists (which is what that means, atheists who push their beliefs) On February 01 2009 15:20 rei wrote: Xenophobia, racism, nationalism, ideologies [communism, capitalism, socialism, blah blah blah], imperialism, abusive dictators. The examples are as fuckin numerous as religious wars and prosecution are throughout history. The vast majority of the time they overlap for god sakes. @Dazed_Spy if you make the claim that "Religion or not, most of these events in history probably would have occurred.", you need to provide examples on how one event in history can "probably would have occurred." Edit: You can add atheism on the list of ideologies that can, and have been, abused. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
I just don't like militant atheists I don't have a problem with people who debate on weather or not god exists, and takes the side of atheism. unless by militant you meant suicide bombing atheists or whatever, but if you did then you were talking about something that doesnt exist. christopher hitchens is about as militant as we get. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2531 Posts
Use comedy to weaken his defenses and throw your best arguments out that you've prepared, GG. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On February 01 2009 15:30 rei wrote: Human nature. I cant believe I'm going to quote the men in black, but hey:@Dazed_Spy that's a little more convincing, what's your opinion on why would these fucked up events kept happening? you know fuck up shits such as the hollocaust, the NanKing rampage, Invasion of Iraq ect... Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it. Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. The further back in history you go, the worse it is. Humans hate and fear what they don't understand. Humans are emotional and dumb, this can be used to rally them with little difficulty, to be honest. Humans also have natural instincts to kill. Combine this, and its inevitable that there are going to be humans out there who use their intelligence, political strengths, wealth, to attain power and then abuse it for either themselves, or whatever ideology they belong to- probably both. Take every conquest in human history, excluding the crusades. There are literally hundreds of thousands of genocides during and after the war. There is of course, hundreds of thousands of people who die as a direct result of the war- battles, starvation due to disruption in resources, etc. None of these had any religious reasoning behind them. It was just man wanting to conquer, it was just politicians wanting glory. To single out one particular thing- like religion, or communism, etc- and declare it the bogeyman is stupid and pathetic. And is, ultimately, exactly the same tactics that these past ideals used to rally and control the people On February 01 2009 15:32 IdrA wrote: You have a very bad comprehension of the english language. Debating on the existence or lack thereof of a divine being is not the same as being militant. Militant atheism is going around screaming that religion is false, people who follow it are blind fools, that it is the bane of human existence. Debating on the existence of god is debating on the existence of god. Jesus christ, pay attention for once rather than running your mouth. k well you entirely went back on what you said at first so i guess theres no real discussion to be had here. unless by militant you meant suicide bombing atheists or whatever, but if you did then you were talking about something that doesnt exist. christopher hitchens is about as militant as we get. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On February 01 2009 15:40 rei wrote: Lol what? I take it your an atheist. Aint very fucking smart- and this is considered to be common wisdom- to make errant generalizations. You hurt your own position. Because you didn't think very critically and logically with your last statement. The difference between the majority of Atheists and Religious people is the ability to think critically. An example, Atheists don't believe shits just because someone tell them, they think critically therefore, they require evidence and logic, This is also the reason why most well educated people are Atheists. As evidence:You won't see anyone with an PHD goes Suicide bombing. | ||
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rei
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