EPT[msl prelim] - july vs idra - Page 3
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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Chef
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Every split in the video is bad, I don't even need to point a particular one out. He loses EVERY battle, and some of them he should have won. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17717 Posts
On November 29 2008 13:21 KrAzYfoOL wrote: that and him choosing to attack those lurkers with his marines instead of running back to his tanks @ 11:56 He practically had no choice but to fight. He didnt have his nat up so he knows he couldnt remacro a hanbang again and he was running out of time before July's defilers were out. He got a good positioning more reason to stay and fight. If he retreated he would have lost a lot more time, would have lost his tanks and since it was a bridge a lot of his units would get clumped and it would be hard to retreat anyways. Im not the best player but i think his build's goal was to kill July's third gas while he's transitioning to lurkers. His fast irradiates forced July to switch tech. If he moved out faster there would have been a timing where July's eggs were still morphing i think. He was in a terrible position after July blocked it. | ||
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Chef
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On November 29 2008 13:42 Chef wrote: His build's goal was to get a few free kills with a hidden vulture raid (why he lifted it off and moved it). But when July scouted his fast gas, he shouldn't have kept doing it, because now it was guaranteed to fail (since July isn't a retard and has seen the build a million times before). Idra could have gone fast wraiths and at least gotten some harass done, but instead he just decided to keep doing a strat he knew would fail. I don't call that improvement, I call that cracking under the pressure and under-performing. His build had nothing to do with purposely getting 2 bases behind so that he could kill one third... The fact that you think that is hilarious. Alright, lets see you play JulyZerg. Hell, lets see you play IdrA. Don't talk shit unless you have the knowledge to back it up. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On November 29 2008 17:52 anotak wrote: Alright, lets see you play JulyZerg. Hell, lets see you play IdrA. Don't talk shit unless you have the knowledge to back it up. Oh come on, if you want to argue his points then do it. Don't just say "I'm not listening to your analysis because you wouldn't stand a chance against top players". So what? A lot of people who don't stand a chance against chess grandmasters can still spot blunders in their games. I'm not saying I agree with Chef's criticisms of idra's play (I haven't watched the game properly). But I don't know why people are so stuck up on "if I can beat you then obviously my game knowledge is better and my words are always more right than yours". | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On November 29 2008 18:23 Nytefish wrote: Oh come on, if you want to argue his points then do it. Don't just say "I'm not listening to your analysis because you wouldn't stand a chance against top players". So what? A lot of people who don't stand a chance against chess grandmasters can still spot blunders in their games. I'm not saying I agree with Chef's criticisms of idra's play (I haven't watched the game properly). But I don't know why people are so stuck up on "if I can beat you then obviously my game knowledge is better and my words are always more right than yours". His criticisms don't make sense and are unfounded. We can make criticisms of areas of BW we understand at our level, such as IdrA's game vs. Neel... IdrA's armory placement was dumb as shit and costed him the game, simple as that. But here is something more complex and I honestly doubt Chef has anything close a proper understanding of why IdrA lost. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
"He's on team CJ, but he looks like Bill Gates!!" LOL! | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On November 29 2008 18:55 HeadBangaa wrote: College is probably starting to look like a better choice. Yeah, losing to a 3 time OSL champion is totally something to quit Starcraft over. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On November 29 2008 19:31 anotak wrote: Yeah, losing to a 3 time OSL champion is totally something to quit Starcraft over. You're right, I'm being hasty. How much money does the loser get paid? | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On November 29 2008 19:57 jgad wrote: ^ More than he would get paid in college, lol! in fact, it would cost him money, lol! | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
The game kinda made me think that perhaps idra was afraid of july's mutalisks. I have never seen someone get vessals so fast and although his plan failed, he succeeded in totally blocking july's muta harass. You can see that his play isn't as refined as some of the other Korean progamers, but I think he played pretty well. Also, it's amusing how the commentators were joking about how idra might do some super eco build, because of how foreigners focus much more on macro than micro, but then idra went and did a super low eco build. | ||
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jgad
Canada899 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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jgad
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On November 29 2008 13:42 Chef wrote: His build's goal was to get a few free kills with a hidden vulture raid (why he lifted it off and moved it). But when July scouted his fast gas, he shouldn't have kept doing it, because now it was guaranteed to fail (since July isn't a retard and has seen the build a million times before). Idra could have gone fast wraiths and at least gotten some harass done, but instead he just decided to keep doing a strat he knew would fail. I don't call that improvement, I call that cracking under the pressure and under-performing. His build had nothing to do with purposely getting 2 bases behind so that he could kill one third... The fact that you think that is hilarious. So because idra's fast gas was scouted, he shouldnt have made a vulture which costs 75 mins. Instead he should have gone for a just as obvious cheese which costs a hell of a lot more and would delay his vessel, despite the fact that July was making 1-2 hydras. What? | ||
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