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For this power rank, I think everyone on the there definitely deserves to be there.
At the least I would say Best>Flash and Jangbi>JD. Although Flash has been practically unstoppable in PL, you have to consider his list of opponents. Memory and Light are just terrible. Boxer and Hwasin are no longer what they used to be. I think Fantasy is still somewhat untested. When Flash went up against JD and FBH, he lost. I am confident in Flash's ability to utterly destroy scrubs, but no longer in his ability to go toe to toe will the very best. Although Best lost to Stork, it is quite undeniable how ridiculously hot Stork is right now. Best is also doing well in PL, only dropping a few games(somehow to his weakest opponents, except JD, wtf losing to nal_keke on a P>Z map???).
As for Jangbi>JD, Jangbi has been doing really really well. With JD losing to Roro and Sangho(?!?!), I just can't see JD as being better than Jangbi currently.
Overall very good PR though, good job.
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Oh come on,why does everyone forget that Jangbi lost to pleyers like hyvaa and Shine this month. Everybody always bitches about Jaedong losing to Sangho,and everybody forgets that Stork,Jangbi,Flash,they all lose some mediocre matches in PL or GOM Classic. It shouldn't mean a damn thing. Shit happens to everyone in the Proleague,and they can lose one match to a noob at this level. Perhaps Jaedong would beat Sangho 9-1 in a bo 10 series,and he just got that one game in the proleague. The only thing for Jaedong which really looks worse than Jangbi is that he's not in the MSL anymore. But look,Jaedong lost to the hot as hell Free,and Jangbi beat Memory and Yarnc. Now I don't want to take anything away from these players,but they are not as hot as Free. I think Jangbi is even too high as he is. If he beats Kal,continues to impress in PL and Gom,and somehow wins the MSL he definetely deserves top3. But I'm absolutely sure he won't. Even if he beats Kal by some miracle,Bisu or Free will just own him to the ground in the final. Samsung tosses did prove me wrong in my last predictions,but I cannot imagine Jangbi as MSL champion.
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Why is everyone questioning Jangbi? Yeah, he hasn't had the hardest MSL, however it was not laughably easy. Memory has always been an incredibly good player, but he was just not able to pull himself together and get consistent results- much like Jangbi was a year ago. Hell he challenged Flash in the quarter finals of GOM last season, and it was for a reason. And for god sakes, its more important to look at the quality of the play rather than who it is against. Look at Jangbi's play. Tell me hes not, at the very minimum, top five. If you still say otherwise your a god damn fool.
If he had harder opponents, Jangbi would of rolled over them too, because hes playing god damn well, and has been for months now.
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On November 11 2008 06:07 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 03:11 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 11 2008 02:24 Lebesgue wrote:On November 10 2008 23:36 []p4NDemik[] wrote:
n.die_Jaedong
ELO Rank: 4th
KeSPA Rank: 4th
Power Rank: 4th
Can't argue with that. Flash: ELO Rank: 2nd KeSPA Rank: 1st Following your logic Flash should be no1 or no2. Otherwise sth is not right with the power rank... It is pretty obvious that Jaedong is so high just because he has many fans who cannot admit that he is not doing so well recently. Obviously, it's a joke. Your post reeks of fanboyism, but I'll let other fans flame you. Also, thanks for ignoring nearly all of my posts in the last PR which I know you read since you posted there. On November 10 2008 18:25 MrHoon wrote:
LOL
OneOther vs Rabid Anti-Jaedong/Fantasy/Flash Fans
WHO WILL BE THE VICTOR Fixed. I am not claiming that Flash should be no1 or no2. I think 5 or 6 is fine for him this month. I was just pointing out that saying that Jaedong is 4th in Elo ranking and 4th in the Kespa ranking doesn't matter at all to justify his position here. Regarding ignoring your posts in the last power rank: I don't spend lots of time reading each and every post in the threads I post in and I don't check forum that regularly. It is not that I ignored them. Just probably never read them. At least I don't recall reading them.
lol, dude i wasn't trying to justify shit. i was cracking a joke. take a hit of something and calm down.
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On November 11 2008 06:44 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Why is everyone questioning Jangbi? Yeah, he hasn't had the hardest MSL, however it was not laughably easy. Memory has always been an incredibly good player, but he was just not able to pull himself together and get consistent results- much like Jangbi was a year ago. Hell he challenged Flash in the quarter finals of GOM last season, and it was for a reason. And for god sakes, its more important to look at the quality of the play rather than who it is against. Look at Jangbi's play. Tell me hes not, at the very minimum, top five. If you still say otherwise your a god damn fool.
If he had harder opponents, Jangbi would of rolled over them too, because hes playing god damn well, and has been for months now.
your right Jangbi deserves it but you should watch Memory vs Aha in GOM just for a good laugh.
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I'll reply to your comments/questions soon 
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On November 11 2008 07:33 OneOther wrote:I'll reply to your comments/questions soon
you dont have to do this. let the trash talk float
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On November 11 2008 08:19 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 07:33 OneOther wrote:I'll reply to your comments/questions soon you dont have to do this. let the trash talk float
I was thinking that too, actually. I'll observe.
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I think Kal's win over Stork really was a quality win. Sure he had the finals a couple days before, but it's not as though he forgot how to play PvP in those two days. It didn't seem like map issues were really at fault, so I count it as a quality win over the best player in the world
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I was hoping/expecting JD to still be at second... I scroll a little down and ZOMG +6?!? BISU!!! I knew he was doing good, but this good? Go Bisu[Shield]!!!
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On November 11 2008 08:21 GeneralStan wrote:
I think Kal's win over Stork really was a quality win. Sure he had the finals a couple days before, but it's not as though he forgot how to play PvP in those two days. It didn't seem like map issues were really at fault, so I count it as a quality win over the best player in the world
Look at your quality boy on game 4, is that a pvp BO? finals where 2 days alfter semifinal, at least take the time to look at the calendar.
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On November 11 2008 09:31 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 08:21 GeneralStan wrote:
I think Kal's win over Stork really was a quality win. Sure he had the finals a couple days before, but it's not as though he forgot how to play PvP in those two days. It didn't seem like map issues were really at fault, so I count it as a quality win over the best player in the world Look at your quality boy on game 4, is that a pvp BO? finals where 2 days alfter semifinal, at least take the time to look at the calendar. Kal was being overconfident because he was up 2-1. Pro gamers often do risky strategies when they are ahead. Kal has a great record on athena 2, and was 2-0 against stork on that map. He took a risk to see if he could get an advantage, he did not, and won decisively in the 5th set anyways.
Woopdee fuckin doo.
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I'm in love with this month's power rank. I really don't think I would change a thing... Great job.
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This is many Protoss yes?
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On November 11 2008 09:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 09:31 malongo wrote:On November 11 2008 08:21 GeneralStan wrote:
I think Kal's win over Stork really was a quality win. Sure he had the finals a couple days before, but it's not as though he forgot how to play PvP in those two days. It didn't seem like map issues were really at fault, so I count it as a quality win over the best player in the world Look at your quality boy on game 4, is that a pvp BO? finals where 2 days alfter semifinal, at least take the time to look at the calendar. Kal was being overconfident because he was up 2-1. Pro gamers often do risky strategies when they are ahead. Kal has a great record on athena 2, and was 2-0 against stork on that map. He took a risk to see if he could get an advantage, he did not, and won decisively in the 5th set anyways. Woopdee fuckin doo.
All true. But none of them says it was a quality win, thas my point, it was a lucky win. Do you really think the fact that stork had osl finals 48 hours ahead didnt affected this game?
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On November 11 2008 09:44 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 09:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 11 2008 09:31 malongo wrote:On November 11 2008 08:21 GeneralStan wrote:
I think Kal's win over Stork really was a quality win. Sure he had the finals a couple days before, but it's not as though he forgot how to play PvP in those two days. It didn't seem like map issues were really at fault, so I count it as a quality win over the best player in the world Look at your quality boy on game 4, is that a pvp BO? finals where 2 days alfter semifinal, at least take the time to look at the calendar. Kal was being overconfident because he was up 2-1. Pro gamers often do risky strategies when they are ahead. Kal has a great record on athena 2, and was 2-0 against stork on that map. He took a risk to see if he could get an advantage, he did not, and won decisively in the 5th set anyways. Woopdee fuckin doo. All true. But none of them says it was a quality win, thas my point, it was a lucky win. Do you really think the fact that stork had osl finals 48 hours ahead didnt affected this game? Of course it effected the game. That doesn't make it luck. It means Stork was tired and overworked. But lets be honest, what player, who is dominating multiple leagues, is not overworked? FORGG played 8 games in a day at one point. Its not uncommon. Compared to forgg, stork was god damn fresh. Obviously not fully prepared, obviously not playing to his highest caliber, it doesn't mean he was playing bad however, and it doesn't mean Kal was not playing good.
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On November 11 2008 00:39 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2008 23:16 baubo wrote:On November 10 2008 18:07 OneOther wrote:On November 10 2008 17:58 baubo wrote:On November 10 2008 17:19 OneOther wrote:On November 10 2008 17:16 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Oneother vs all That's basically what it is, haha. I find it really interesting though - EVERYONE has different opinions. Some people believe the ranking is perfect, some think Jangbi is placed way too high, some say Jangbi should be even higher, and so much more. Lesson I have learned: I gotta stick to what I believe in, because I can't satisfy everyone anyway. Not sure if it helps, but you could write that some players are close, while others are not. Stork, Bisu, and to a certain extent Free are really not debatable choices. But Jaedong/Jangbi/Flash are fairly close. You can also say that that you put Jaedong 4th only because you don't want to deal with the hassle of JD fanboys ripping you apart.  This way objective readers will understand and fanboys will be appeased. It's surprising to know you place a lot more on performances rather than matchups. I can see why, considering we can play hypotheticals all we want, while actual game performances are indisputable. But I think the fact that Jangbi has played absolutely no top-tier player makes his rank quite strange. I feel his rank is much less debatable next month. If he continues his solid PL play and at least make the finals, he can then be undisputably top 5. Thank you for the suggestion. You are pretty much right on about Jaedong. I just didn't want to deal with furious Jaedong fanboys, and could see him up there as well. I guess I am saying it's not that much of a stretch. You have to understand that although I like to put emphasis on performances, I take circumstances/matchups into account, too. If we only look at the matchlist, Kal and Flash obviously look better. I mean, Kal took down Stork, while Flash has been beating very good Terrans in Proleague. Jangbi's undefeated MSL streak against rather weaker opponents appears relatively insignificant. However, things change when we consider the fact that Kal barely beat out Stork 3-2, when the DinoToss had a ginormous finals match coming up in a couple days. He is also inconsistent in Proleague, with a mediocre record at best. Flash, on the other hand, got eliminated from both individual leagues, and needed to only focus on Proleague matches. Now let's look at Jangbi. Yes, his MSL opponents aren't the best players in the world, but he's 7-0. Take his outstanding Proleague into that formula, and we have Jangbi above both Flash and Kal. That's true. I can understand that. Yes, my suggestion is simply that the ranking system currently does not take into account how much difference between each place. Which is probablamatic. It's like saying one person has a better grade than the other, but doesn't note if it was a difference of 90 vs. 70, or 84 vs 85. Well, next month will likely be much easier to sort out at the top, with Jangbi/Kal/Bisu/Free all playing each other for the MSL championship. And just curious, does GOM count towards official records now? I know they're not mentioned in the TLPD, but I thought I read somewhere that KESPA now counts those games. Previous season wasnt counte by Kespa or TLPE, that's why JD is 4th at Kespa rankings, but Season 2 is caunted by TLPE and KESPA too.
I just noticed they had it for Ro32, but not Ro64. So I guess Ro64 doesn't count? Kind of weird in the rules.
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Meh it least it isn't flash and jaedong again
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On November 11 2008 06:32 Darth Peter wrote:
Oh come on,why does everyone forget that Jangbi lost to pleyers like hyvaa and Shine this month. Everybody always bitches about Jaedong losing to Sangho,and everybody forgets that Stork,Jangbi,Flash,they all lose some mediocre matches in PL or GOM Classic. It shouldn't mean a damn thing. Shit happens to everyone in the Proleague,and they can lose one match to a noob at this level. Perhaps Jaedong would beat Sangho 9-1 in a bo 10 series,and he just got that one game in the proleague. The only thing for Jaedong which really looks worse than Jangbi is that he's not in the MSL anymore. But look,Jaedong lost to the hot as hell Free,and Jangbi beat Memory and Yarnc. Now I don't want to take anything away from these players,but they are not as hot as Free. I think Jangbi is even too high as he is. If he beats Kal,continues to impress in PL and Gom,and somehow wins the MSL he definetely deserves top3. But I'm absolutely sure he won't. Even if he beats Kal by some miracle,Bisu or Free will just own him to the ground in the final. Samsung tosses did prove me wrong in my last predictions,but I cannot imagine Jangbi as MSL champion.
I completely agree. I guess I didn`t realise that Jangbi had easier opponents. Just go check his games this month, he didn`t play against any PR guys. + in the last month he was eliminated by light from the OSL. Well, he has to get some credit from the fact that he's in the semis, but then, what about fantasy ?. Oh well, I still like this PR 
EDIT:On November 11 2008 08:19 OneOther wrote:
I was thinking that too, actually. I'll observe.
oh c`mon, that`s the thing about the PR. The writer has to talk with the complaining people and answer everybody's questions. That's what makes the PR so great! D:
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On November 11 2008 14:23 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 06:32 Darth Peter wrote:
Oh come on,why does everyone forget that Jangbi lost to pleyers like hyvaa and Shine this month. Everybody always bitches about Jaedong losing to Sangho,and everybody forgets that Stork,Jangbi,Flash,they all lose some mediocre matches in PL or GOM Classic. It shouldn't mean a damn thing. Shit happens to everyone in the Proleague,and they can lose one match to a noob at this level. Perhaps Jaedong would beat Sangho 9-1 in a bo 10 series,and he just got that one game in the proleague. The only thing for Jaedong which really looks worse than Jangbi is that he's not in the MSL anymore. But look,Jaedong lost to the hot as hell Free,and Jangbi beat Memory and Yarnc. Now I don't want to take anything away from these players,but they are not as hot as Free. I think Jangbi is even too high as he is. If he beats Kal,continues to impress in PL and Gom,and somehow wins the MSL he definetely deserves top3. But I'm absolutely sure he won't. Even if he beats Kal by some miracle,Bisu or Free will just own him to the ground in the final. Samsung tosses did prove me wrong in my last predictions,but I cannot imagine Jangbi as MSL champion. I completely agree. I guess I didn`t realise that Jangbi had easier opponents. Just go check his games this month, he didn`t play against any PR guys. + in the last month he was eliminated by light from the OSL. Well, he has to get some credit from the fact that he's in the semis, but then, what about fantasy ?. Oh well, I still like this PR EDIT: Show nested quote +On November 11 2008 08:19 OneOther wrote:
I was thinking that too, actually. I'll observe. oh c`mon, that`s the thing about the PR. The writer has to talk with the complaining people and answer everybody's questions. That's what makes the PR so great! D:
Haha I know, I will. I am just too busy today Tomorrow, though. I will be hammering you all down.
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